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demens grimwulff
Ancient Exiles.
Renegade Alliance
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Posted - 2014.01.02 20:42:00 -
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Nomed Deeps wrote:LOL Just looked at district info and only noticed 1 district under attack (out of 50+) that did not have a full clone count. http://www.dust-gents.com/districts.phpThis is simply ridiculous. PC might as well not even exist.
Yep... And AE is lambasted on the forums for glitching and ridiculed for "abusing game breaking mechanics" yet corporations and flaunt their abuse of this openly on the forums with ZERO repercussions from CCP. What OP didn't state is that you can make up to 360 million isk in player cash for idling/afking through the whole round if both sides do it... Or that a lot of corps doing this set up "hack fests" where they will pair off and hack turrets, CRUs, and supply depots back and forth grinding out SP. It is possible to get over 50k warpoints from a match like this (someone who abused this was bragging to me about it).
now you may say, "Whoa... 360 million isk, stop lying and go back to melee glitching". Well, kind sir with a pocket full of diversions, here is how it is done.
1) Attack your own district using a subsidiary corp or shell corp
2) stack both teams with your own corp and set tax to 100% (or, if you want them to keep the isk, don't)
3) don't hack objectives
4) match takes over two hours to finish, and to guarantee a win, hack an objective at the two hour mark
5) since isk reward is determined by length of match, total reward will vary from 5 to 10 million per player but will generally side near 8-10 million
Need some war points? Ok
1) pair off players so that one from each side gets a specific socket.
2) unskilled players can hack in 10 seconds
3) given human perception (and my love of whole, easy numbers) it takes 2 seconds to realize it is hacked
4) the pair can hack a single object 5 times per minute ( [10+2]GÇó5 = 60), or, have an equal # of hacks at 5 each at 2 minutes
5) lets say they do this for 2 hours exactly... 120/2=60, so 60 total rotations, at 5 hacks each, that is 300 hacks each total, or 15000 war points
6) greedy? Minmatar logi suits pair off with 4 complex codebreakers each... Individual hack time is less than a second, but for ease, lets say each logi hacks and the other starts hacking after the 2 second mark. That is 30 hacks a minute, or 15 each, giving the pair a total of 1800 hacks each in two hours, or 90000 war points. The record I have heard was around 80-90k.
7) sit back and collect massive sp
Now... You can call this glitching, game breaking, fun, or whatever... Heck, you can continue to say it is perfectly fine and post about it with lolz on the forum... but CCP needs to actually respond, fix, and punish those who have abused this. This is crazy. This is worse then any glitch ever used to kill someone in the game, because unlike those, your enemy can't stop you.
Now... I may be AE, but I care about this game... And I will go as far as saying most of AE cares about and loves this game... We don't lock out districts, and actively work with corps want to get into PC by facilitating the transfer of districts we take into their hands. I have always been open on the forums about helping budding corps in PC without charge... Not because I think I am that great, but because I want to help. Other members of our corp do, too... but yet we get ridiculed for what...? Yea... It certainly isn't close to what these people are doing to the game... CCP needs to give us a REAL answer, and not one that is just SOONtm. |
demens grimwulff
Ancient Exiles.
Renegade Alliance
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Posted - 2014.01.03 16:46:00 -
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Interim solution: remove clone packs, or make them extremely expensive in the meantime... There are several corporations getting exceedingly wealthy off of this making the game's market a joke. The ramifications flow over into the world of pub matches as these corporations have deep pockets, allowing their players to run continuous proto and tanks beyond the average player of the game, destroying the experience for new and middle of the road players. CCP has known of this issue for months, but still has yet to do anything... At this point, it seems like they don't care, but now everyone who has read this forum has the knowledge to do it too. Maybe the dissemination of how to do it will lead to them fixing it... |
demens grimwulff
Ancient Exiles.
Renegade Alliance
90
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Posted - 2014.01.03 21:42:00 -
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pdiddy anfama wrote:demens grimwulff wrote:Interim solution: remove clone packs, or make them extremely expensive in the meantime... There are several corporations getting exceedingly wealthy off of this making the game's market a joke. The ramifications flow over into the world of pub matches as these corporations have deep pockets, allowing their players to run continuous proto and tanks beyond the average player of the game, destroying the experience for new and middle of the road players. CCP has known of this issue for months, but still has yet to do anything... At this point, it seems like they don't care, but now everyone who has read this forum has the knowledge to do it too. Maybe the dissemination of how to do it will lead to them fixing it... Unlike you AE SCRUBlitts THAT DO RUN PROTO ALL THE TIME. WE don not. The only time we encourage proto is if we see AE proto abusers on the other side. AE GETS PAYCHECKS. I wonder from what. FIX THE LAG ISSUE CCP AND EVERYONE MIGHT OPEN THEIR DISTRICTS TO THIS BROKEN GAME.
Hmmmm... KEQ locks their districts... And you're here to what...? Call people names? TYPE IN ALL CAPS like you have internet tourettes? I don't run proto in pubs and only do it in the same situation you mention (people just running proto). In fact, a lot of the people I run with use advanced or basic gear. So your accusations and broad strokes just show how little you know of us... just like your inference that we lock our districts. You can see that none of our districts are under attack, and if the information was easily accessible, could see that even during the "winter war" our districts were always unlocked and only attacked by our enemies and not ourselves... unlike those that we were fighting and, still are part of the same people that do this to this day.
Now... please take your uncivil discourse to the war room, as it is unproductive for discussion on topics of fixing this game. |
demens grimwulff
Ancient Exiles.
Renegade Alliance
90
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Posted - 2014.01.03 21:48:00 -
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pdiddy anfama wrote:Skittles McDuckett wrote:Bump. Could you provide us with an update?
We also found out that players are getting insane amounts of is if they sit through the match and don't hack points. You are incorrect on this one. Why don't you exhaust your time in CCP fixing a broken laggy game. If there is people deployed they will only get a certain amount of money. That is already distributed for a PC win.
Your right, this game is broken, and this is one of the HUGE broken parts of the game and we would like it fixed. And you're wrong on the limited amount of money... money is determined by length of time in game which means that a skirmish where everyone afk'ed or no points were taken would yield over a million isk (2 million to the highest war point earner). If you would like to test this, just afk during your next empty skirmish and don't hack anything, but I do warn you, it will take over two hours. Now, the game issues multiplied isk returns per person on the basis that it is a PC and therefore the isk yield is greatly increased when the time is extended out.
Let's just ignore that the huge SP gain that could be had with the dual hacking technique that I brought up, too... since, you know, that doesn't at all point out at all how broken self-locking districts is. |
demens grimwulff
Ancient Exiles.
Renegade Alliance
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Posted - 2014.01.03 21:57:00 -
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pdiddy anfama wrote:demens grimwulff wrote:pdiddy anfama wrote:demens grimwulff wrote:Interim solution: remove clone packs, or make them extremely expensive in the meantime... There are several corporations getting exceedingly wealthy off of this making the game's market a joke. The ramifications flow over into the world of pub matches as these corporations have deep pockets, allowing their players to run continuous proto and tanks beyond the average player of the game, destroying the experience for new and middle of the road players. CCP has known of this issue for months, but still has yet to do anything... At this point, it seems like they don't care, but now everyone who has read this forum has the knowledge to do it too. Maybe the dissemination of how to do it will lead to them fixing it... Unlike you AE SCRUBlitts THAT DO RUN PROTO ALL THE TIME. WE don not. The only time we encourage proto is if we see AE proto abusers on the other side. AE GETS PAYCHECKS. I wonder from what. FIX THE LAG ISSUE CCP AND EVERYONE MIGHT OPEN THEIR DISTRICTS TO THIS BROKEN GAME. Hmmmm... KEQ locks their districts... And you're here to what...? Call people names? TYPE IN ALL CAPS like you have internet tourettes? I don't run proto in pubs and only do it in the same situation you mention (people just running proto). In fact, a lot of the people I run with use advanced or basic gear. So your accusations and broad strokes just show how little you know of us... just like your inference that we lock our districts. You can see that none of our districts are under attack, and if the information was easily accessible, could see that even during the "winter war" our districts were always unlocked and only attacked by our enemies and not ourselves... unlike those that we were fighting and, still are part of the same people that do this to this day. Now... please take your uncivil discourse to the war room, as it is unproductive for discussion on topics of fixing this game. I know that you all like eating up lower tier suits with your proto garbage... You are full of it sir. I use DREN C/I 90% of the time while I get killed most of the time by guess what a proto stomping AE guy. Somebody had a bowl of d**ks for breakfast and it wasn't me
Wow... You continue to show how civil you would like this discussion to be, and demonstrating your own intelligence in the same manner, taking this to the lowest level of discussion possible.
I could say the same about KEQ... I rarely if ever see KEQ out of proto, but I will still run my advanced minmatar assault with either an RS-90 or BK-42. Before this, I religiously ran a dren assault suit with a dren ar, but I have been messing around with builds and wanted to use a suit I am specced into and not the cal assault suit I am not. |
demens grimwulff
Ancient Exiles.
Renegade Alliance
90
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Posted - 2014.01.03 22:37:00 -
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pdiddy anfama wrote:demens grimwulff You only been with AE for a month so you don't know them...
and I couldn't have possibly played with them during the time I was in ANON? |
demens grimwulff
Ancient Exiles.
Renegade Alliance
90
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Posted - 2014.01.03 22:44:00 -
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pdiddy anfama wrote:Could have but you still don't know them. Obviously when the kill board says AE and cko or mko nooo they're not proto stomping. I discourage proto stomping as much as possible. It doesn't improve your gun game or isk if you are not getting a check unless you are AE members.
and I agree with you 100%. There are protostompers amongst AE ranks.. Just like every other corp, I am not denying this, but there are a lot of us that don't do such a thing. So broad strokes will have me disagree |
demens grimwulff
Ancient Exiles.
Renegade Alliance
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Posted - 2014.01.04 16:34:00 -
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Soraya Xel wrote:demens, I appreciate your candor on how bad it can be. The worst part, is that in many cases there's nothing else to do that's as profitable or beneficial to the player, so many people decide to do it, knowing it's game-breaking, but just to stay competitive with others who are doing the same.
I mean, I haven't hit the weekly cap in months, but apparently I could do it in three matches with exploits.
Thank you. That is part of the problem... Exploits beget exploits, and with the large isk bomb at the end, we reward this... outside of real world political comparisons, we are just rewarding the banks for crashing the market. What do you think will happen upon player market opening?
ETA: if you want to see what a game flooded with money looks like, play DCUO |
demens grimwulff
Ancient Exiles.
Renegade Alliance
91
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Posted - 2014.01.04 19:49:00 -
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Aeon Amadi wrote:Here are some pictures I took from November 6, 2013 describing what Demens is talking about. I informed members of the CPM about it almost immediately after under the circumstance that it was anonymous (ironic, I know) and that it be reported to CCP to be fixed. I had figured it was a one time occurrence for the triple SP event so that our guys would reduce the grind time associated with the event but I found out later on that it was repeated several other times. This was the only time I participated and it was to gather pictures. Picture 1: http://i.imgur.com/BGnUvIw.jpgPicture 2: http://i.imgur.com/t1GPNzA.jpg
I was invited to this but quickly left after finding out what they were doing... after they continued to do this, this became part of the wedge that drove me to drop ANON and my directorship. I can not support game breaking mechanics like this... Several members of ANON capped out their main and alts in this manner...
Would like to see them respond, seeing as Amadi kept this as evidence... Which I didn't know about. Thanks for posting it bro... If this doesn't convince others that this is game breaking, I don't know what will (keep in mind, he was on the losing side so no rewarded isk, and that they were hacking objectives, also, giving them decreased play time) |
demens grimwulff
Ancient Exiles.
Renegade Alliance
91
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Posted - 2014.01.06 13:44:00 -
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Lol... Who are you Egypt? Always the one to come out swinging and then get yourself in trouble in the end. I could care less who set it up. Stateproperty was the one who invited me to it and was explaining it like it was his and your ideas. And November... Wasn't in ANON at the time, don't care.
Also, I remember you talking about how much money you stole from ANON and Unknown Killers and how you would use it to attack any corporation that you wanted. ... Nevermind, I can lie just like you do, but I am not here to play meta with you... As you already lost. |
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demens grimwulff
Ancient Exiles.
Renegade Alliance
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Posted - 2014.01.06 13:53:00 -
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Egypt Musk wrote:demens grimwulff wrote:Lol... Who are you Egypt? Always the one to come out swinging and then get yourself in trouble in the end. I could care less who set it up. Stateproperty was the one who invited me to it and was explaining it like it was his and your ideas. And November... Wasn't in ANON at the time, don't care.
Also, I remember you talking about how much money you stole from ANON and Unknown Killers and how you would use it to attack any corporation that you wanted. ... Nevermind, I can lie just like you do, but I am not here to play meta with you... As you already lost.
ETA: what is this... Tickle tickle tickle thing you typed... Kinda creepy and and childish... As if you're finally admitting how mature you really are... Also, I am glad you've been working on your English, this was mostly legible. LOL I didnt steal any isk from anon or unknown killers just you thanks for your donation before you left ;)What was is 140 mill? lol
I got all of my isk back ;) so... 0 isk lost to you. |
demens grimwulff
Ancient Exiles.
Renegade Alliance
91
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Posted - 2014.01.06 13:56:00 -
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I never had a district. Have you finally kicked it and confused me for someone else?
but that must be nice... You now have a district... Cute. Must be proud. |
demens grimwulff
Ancient Exiles.
Renegade Alliance
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Posted - 2014.01.06 14:01:00 -
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Do you mean Unknown still has districts...? Hmmm... Thank you for reminding me. |
demens grimwulff
Ancient Exiles.
Renegade Alliance
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Posted - 2014.01.06 14:17:00 -
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Egypt Musk wrote:you act like you dont know what im talking about bout you do ... UK lasted longer than Harley and Aeons failed attempt at running a corp.  You'll have to pry that last district from my cold dead hands
I honestly didn't. I had completely removed you and UK from active memory. Thanks for reminding me.
I will see about that Mr. Heston |
demens grimwulff
Ancient Exiles.
Renegade Alliance
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Posted - 2014.01.06 15:20:00 -
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Egypt Musk wrote:To get back on topic here many of Aeons current corp and alliance mates were in many of those farming sessions as well so if all the records are being pulled up that would implicate both AE and the sound of freedom and other members of the alliance as being pro district locking & farming ... yet here they are trying to wag a finger at everyone else ... interesting especially since they have talked about doing the same within there corp (AE) If one loses isk or sp were all going to lose it and i know the ones sided with renagade will loose alot more than ex anon members will .
And you raise these accusations why...? The evidence is on the table as proof as to what could happen. What other corporations are, literally, doing daily and some have been doing daily for months now. A large chunk of Molden Heath has been permanently locked and useable. This is the reason this is game breaking. The fact that people are doing this for weeks and months, and not just doing this during what was almost an impossible grind for anyone (as I remember, I ended up being 50k SP shy that triple SP week despite trying my hardest to cap out).
So, back to the actual topic at hand, this being continuously allowed to happen will simply lead to PC being a zero factor in the actual game. If it were to happen and Renegade decided to join in, over 80% of all PC districts would be completely and utterly removed from play. Imagine a game where the players remove the actual end game from the game, making it impossible to play... that is where Dust is heading. PC needs MAJOR reform...
1) fix district locking to make it punishable via costs heavily outweighing gains
2) fix the lag that is, honestly (well, to a small extent... most lock districts out of easy of money and sp), driving some to lock their districts
3) make PC worth something other than a ruler to measure ones e-junk with |
demens grimwulff
Ancient Exiles.
Renegade Alliance
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Posted - 2014.01.06 15:40:00 -
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Wow... You remember my real life name Egypt. Surprising. You seem so fixated on me.
None of our districts have been self-locked since I joined AE, so are you positive on that? All of them have been and will remain so. |
demens grimwulff
Ancient Exiles.
Renegade Alliance
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Posted - 2014.01.06 15:50:00 -
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Egypt Musk wrote:Not fixated its just all in my notes ... I have your phone number and some other info as well from back in the day ;) Friends close enemies closer.
The logs will say it all if CCP decides to take actions all will be punished so just keep that in mind.
Im all for fixing PC but Aeons little bias way of putting his 2 cents in as usual is going to stir up more of a storm for his guys in AE then he was hoping for as soon as he tried to put it all on my shoulders he put a metaphorical target on his forehead... again.
No, sounds more like a no, dangerous version of crazy others should watch out for. I deleted all of that after quitting ANON, solely because none of it mattered enough to me to keep... You, on the other hand, have taken this game to a creepy, stalker level... Would make SoTa seem like an innocent catholic school girl... despite his propensity for said outfits
ETA: not sure what I should feel knowing you have a personal biography on me... Creeped out... Scared... Nah, not scared... Definitely creeped out. Are you the one calling me at night breathing heavily into the phone? Wouldn't put it past you at this point... Do you need some of my hair and fingernail clippings? Should I start safeguarding these for your odd, weird fascination? |
demens grimwulff
Ancient Exiles.
Renegade Alliance
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Posted - 2014.01.06 15:56:00 -
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Rage throw them out...? I just never saved them on my phone, so when I got a new one, I didn't care enough to transfer them. Never cared enough to write them down... The fact you did, makes this even more creepier and weird. Do you have a psychologist...? If not, I suggest you see one... |
demens grimwulff
Ancient Exiles.
Renegade Alliance
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Posted - 2014.01.06 16:14:00 -
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Egypt Musk wrote:demens grimwulff wrote:Rage throw them out...? I just never saved them on my phone, so when I got a new one, I didn't care enough to transfer them. Never cared enough to write them down... The fact you did, makes this even more creepier and weird. Do you have a psychologist...? If not, I suggest you see one... I'm not dumb enough to give a stranger over a game my full name and phone number thats why no one has it, but i need psychologist? I Think you should take this as a lesson learned i could sell this info for a nice penny.... full name phone number mailing address of a self proclaimed millionaire that was legally obtained while int a corp called anonymous.....
Hmmm... Did I give you my full name? I don't believe I did. Which house did I give you the address for? Not the one I live at ;)
I didn't make my money by being stupid Egypt. :). Nice try. However, I am not the one threatening to use such information over a video game in what would be considered in the states a terroristic threat, oddly enough... Nice try Egypt. You're still one creepy person and need to figure out where the divide between reality and a video game is. I recommend seeking help. |
demens grimwulff
Ancient Exiles.
Renegade Alliance
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Posted - 2014.01.06 17:22:00 -
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Et tu Roofer? Never expected you to try and troll me.
Egypt has what he thinks is my address because we were discussing doing gifts for each other and Harle wanted to send me a controller and a game (Rock Band 2). all directors of ANON had each others phone numbers... It was easier to communicate that way... So oh no, he can call me... ;.; . However, as for my name... He doesn't have that. :). Logan may be my first, but he needs my middle and last name for anything useful. Of which, he has neither. Come on Johnny Paycheck... Thought you thought higher of me then that. |
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demens grimwulff
Ancient Exiles.
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Posted - 2014.01.06 17:24:00 -
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noob cavman wrote:I think I've had ale less bitter than this thread 
you're not drinking the malty stuff then :). I have had some very bitter ale... Tasted like vinegar, but damn it was good. |
demens grimwulff
Ancient Exiles.
Renegade Alliance
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Posted - 2014.01.06 17:41:00 -
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Noob... Always on the hunt for more Scooby snacks...
btw noob.. How did that taste, the other night? ;) |
demens grimwulff
Ancient Exiles.
Renegade Alliance
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Posted - 2014.01.06 18:05:00 -
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noob cavman wrote:demens grimwulff wrote:Noob... Always on the hunt for more Scooby snacks...
btw noob.. How did that taste, the other night? ;) Scooby snacks!? Where!? And it taste like hot metal and disappointment 
hot metal and disappointment... Sounds like a very kinky date |
demens grimwulff
Ancient Exiles.
Renegade Alliance
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Posted - 2014.01.06 18:18:00 -
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noob cavman wrote:Well get thy logi ass on dust
I got this thing, called a job, I am doing :(. Waiting for a plasma instrument to settle down so I can finish maintenance. :(
and me, a logi? You should run with me sometime on my heavy... Would be fun... And you don't have to worry about the other end of that HMG |
demens grimwulff
Ancient Exiles.
Renegade Alliance
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Posted - 2014.01.06 18:23:00 -
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noob cavman wrote:demens grimwulff wrote:noob cavman wrote:Well get thy logi ass on dust I got this thing, called a job, I am doing :(. Waiting for a plasma instrument to settle down so I can finish maintenance. :( and me, a logi? You should run with me sometime on my heavy... Would be fun... And you don't have to worry about the other end of that HMG I have a job cheeky bastard. XD indeed we should 
lol I know. Silly euro people in your weird hours though. |
demens grimwulff
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Renegade Alliance
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Posted - 2014.01.06 19:28:00 -
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Zimander wrote:Aeon Amadi wrote:Here are some pictures I took from November 6, 2013 describing what Demens is talking about. I informed members of the CPM about it almost immediately after under the circumstance that it was anonymous (ironic, I know) and that it be reported to CCP to be fixed. I had figured it was a one time occurrence for the triple SP event so that our guys would reduce the grind time associated with the event but I found out later on that it was repeated several other times. This was the only time I participated and it was to gather pictures. Picture 1: http://i.imgur.com/BGnUvIw.jpgPicture 2: http://i.imgur.com/t1GPNzA.jpg Aeon why u just showing 1 site of team why u didn't show all plaayers on bout team maybe becuz u r there to and don BS u left ANON long ago cuz u left ANON when everything fell a part like most players if u want put someone under the knife make sure u show all players on booth site I played for ANON and I know many ppl did that
zim... He admits he was in it. Both in the statement, but he also included the picture of his sp and isk gain, which would be a dead giveaway... How could he get the pictures if he wasn't in the match? Also, consider that he might have, in order to get focus, not included half of the screen, as he was only getting a picture of the war points. Are you going to ask for pics of every name...? he even said in the part you quoted he was in it... so what are you mad about? |
demens grimwulff
Ancient Exiles.
Renegade Alliance
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Posted - 2014.01.06 20:00:00 -
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Yes we do Zim, I miss our old squads. We had a lot of fun bro.
like I said, I don't think the pictures were as insidious as you think. He probably needed to focus the picture and just got war points to make sure it was there. He posted it to prove my initial calculation (page #1) that shows you can make anywhere from 15k-90k war points by self-locking districts and PCing against yourself. His post was made to show that it is possible and to provide evidence... Not to throw people under the buss. |
demens grimwulff
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Posted - 2014.01.07 16:47:00 -
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Scrappy Bernard wrote:I've seen this before and supported them changing it.
Game-breaking? No you just have to attack the contract before hey do. Stupid as hell? Yeah.
that is the problem... You have to be sitting there and snipe the district within seconds of it coming unlocked. That is silly |
demens grimwulff
Ancient Exiles.
Renegade Alliance
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Posted - 2014.01.07 17:42:00 -
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Scrappy Bernard wrote:demens grimwulff wrote:Scrappy Bernard wrote:I've seen this before and supported them changing it.
Game-breaking? No you just have to attack the contract before hey do. Stupid as hell? Yeah.
that is the problem... You have to be sitting there and snipe the district within seconds of it coming unlocked. That is silly Silly but not game breaking. What's more difficult, waking up at 4 am with 16 to play for 22% of MH, or sniping a district between 9-10pm with 1 person? The problem being all this will do is actually create more profit because the corps will just collude and agree to atack each others districts so that 1 clones arrives. Then we're back at camping timers. Also, just checked, skittles was incorrect that you get genolution in any form sans the return of the clone pack. I'd like to see this new concern answered. Why replace locking districts with more locked districts, at essentially no cost? Edit: Also, until we have proof the idea that you could have characters camp the match and be paid 8-10 million because of time spent in match is dubious.
See, and the problem you're pointing out is one that shouldn't be brought up: time of the timers. If CCP wants this to be an international game, then they have to allow everyone to play. By allowing everyone to play, then you have to have the servers up at all times for them to play. Having a feature added that is time dependent has to be able to be customized to meet the timers of h
those that have it. By stopping all non-wherever you live timers is only hurting everyone but you and those close to you. By isolating those groups on their own PC map, then they have no competition and can own the whole map and then just collect isk hand over fist (look at squad cup team entrances for a real example of this where the Asian bracket had all of 2 entries). This is not on the table from CCP's stand point, but what should be is fixing the system so that you don't have to hope that you catch a district before it is self-locked.
The amount isn't dubious and you're obviously an alt with the ability launch/control said things based on your statement... go afk for 2+ hours in one of your own empty PCs and see what you get. Once again, like I explained before, isk earned is based on time in match, with an extra multiplier added since it is a PC match. Go in one of your own district locks and see for yourself. Take pictures and mask your name and corp... Help fix the problem by showing proof you obviously have access too. |
demens grimwulff
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Posted - 2014.01.07 20:14:00 -
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Scrappy Bernard wrote:You have no response for how a fix is going prevent corps from sending clones to lock each others districts?
The suggestion of removing clone packs from PC is the worst idea of all. As the largest landowner in PC i'm sure it seem like a non self-serving idea to prevent new corps from entering PC, but the community is wise to see past that flagrant advantage to AE and ally's.
Presumptions that I have districts and thus justify allegations of partisanship in this matter through insinuations of engaging in district locking mentioned in the OP is a rather lame maneuver of preventing discussion.
I'm sure continuing to engage in such malfeasance is easier than answering quarries over how best to proceed in rectification.
I think you completely missed the point of not only what I said, but also another post I had made prior. As you stated earlier, you checked on the biomass payment for your corp from such an endeavor (or, at least, the connotations were there that that is what you checked), and so I said, if that is what you are doing, then hop in the match and AFK, yourself, and see the gains. The amount given was from an AFK PC that was performed by a now non-land holding corporation (not ANONYMOUS) that was using their district solely for farming isk... I know several who were involved (and based on your above post, you probably do too) who had earned the amount I mentioned. The request to join such a PC was that the player kept 2 million isk and gave the remaining to the corporation/CEO that held the land. The figure is accurate... and if you had read my post and what I said, you would see nothing more then me suggesting that if you're already locking districts then to gather the proof for yourself. Since you're hiding behind an alt, you can say whatever you want or to impose any angle that you see fit.
Now, to the other part of selective reading, you left out that I, on page 3 (on a cell phone so this is based on memory) you will note I provided 3 points. The first point is that, roughly, they "punish the corporations that do this providing a cost that is more than they are earning". There are several routes that could be taken by this implications... increasing the cost of clone packs to some economically equal cost (lets say 60 million), remove isk pay outs from PC if the enemy is a no-show (for both sides), and to fix the bug that would return the isk of the clone pack upon launching a no-show PC. This is one of several routes that could be taken, however, I am not a member of CCP development and do not have the same statistical data that they have and therefore this is from an outsider who has no other way of coming up with ideas then as an armchair quarterback. What I am asking for, is for them to acknowledge that they are truly looking into a fix for this and that they have some ideas for a way to fix it.
Also, your step to say that we would greatly benefit from the clone packs is true, but so would locking our districts... but we don't. I proposed that thought ALONG with the thought that they could greatly increase the cost of clone packs in order to put a preventive measure in place until the time that they release their actual patch for this.
If you want anything else discussed, please either post on your main or prove in some way that you actually have skin in the game. I have the courtesy of posting and discussing this on my main, please provide this courtesy to the others who are wanting this openly discussed and fixed. |
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demens grimwulff
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CCP Delamorui Eddy wrote:Hi, thank you for contacting us.
Designers are aware of the problem. They are discussing multiple solutions right now.
Thank you.
Thank you again Eddy, you're on a roll. Much appreciated. |
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