DUST Search - Tanks are ruining matches

8213 wrote:

Ghosts Chance wrote:

8213 wrote:

Aizen Intiki wrote:

DJINN Marauder wrote:

If av is forced into team work, then tanks should be forced into team work as well.

I propose tanks to be changed to having either having a main cannon that is not mainly anti infantry. Or having them become a 4 seater in which the driver is not he gunner.

I just soloed a good 7 HAV's or so since I got home........ No.

Whoop-dee-doo...

The fact that the other team apparently can afford to drop 7 tanks in one pub match is a problem. The fact that you made no noticeable increase in iSK destroying that many tanks is a problem.

And, you didn't solo sh*t. Because, you still needed help from your teammates to cover you when you went tank hunting.
Yes, noob tankers are in force in this game. You can kill 10 of them a match and its of no consequence. But one professional tanker will be beat a professional AVer 100% of the time now in 1.7.

YAH tell em, the fact that if you kill that guy in an ADV suit he can just equip a new one and keep coming at me is unfair! i want permadeth in this game, if i kill someone i want em to stay dead or be forced to use something thats more adventagious for me!

So, its okay that tanks cost less than infantry?
Because you just compared an ADV dropsuit to a HAV... am I reading that right? What world do you live in where a single tank costs less than a single infantry personal? World of tanks is that way --------->

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Aizen Intiki Hell's Gate Inc 608	Posted - 2013.12.29 08:40:00 - [31] - Quote 8213 wrote: Aizen Intiki wrote: DJINN Marauder wrote: If av is forced into team work, then tanks should be forced into team work as well. I propose tanks to be changed to having either having a main cannon that is not mainly anti infantry. Or having them become a 4 seater in which the driver is not he gunner. I just soloed a good 7 HAV's or so since I got home........ No. Whoop-dee-doo... The fact that the other team apparently can afford to drop 7 tanks in one pub match is a problem. The fact that you made no noticeable increase in iSK destroying that many tanks is a problem. And, you didn't solo sht. Because, you still needed help from your teammates to cover you when you went tank hunting. Yes, noob tankers are in force in this game. You can kill 10 of them a match and its of no consequence. But one professional tanker will be beat a professional AVer 100% of the time now in 1.7. We had no points, and most of my team was in the redline. Also, this was over the course of 2 games. Lastly, Since 1.7, I've killed about 400-500 HAV's solo using AV. Oh, I've killed the pro pilots already as well. You just have to know how to hunt, and it seems as though many people don't. "Hello, world!" lol, sounds like something a whore lover would say Alt of the great Godin I like chocolate ^___*^
8213 BIG BAD W0LVES 1276	Posted - 2013.12.29 08:53:00 - [32] - Quote Ghosts Chance wrote: 8213 wrote: Aizen Intiki wrote: DJINN Marauder wrote: If av is forced into team work, then tanks should be forced into team work as well. I propose tanks to be changed to having either having a main cannon that is not mainly anti infantry. Or having them become a 4 seater in which the driver is not he gunner. I just soloed a good 7 HAV's or so since I got home........ No. Whoop-dee-doo... The fact that the other team apparently can afford to drop 7 tanks in one pub match is a problem. The fact that you made no noticeable increase in iSK destroying that many tanks is a problem. And, you didn't solo sht. Because, you still needed help from your teammates to cover you when you went tank hunting. Yes, noob tankers are in force in this game. You can kill 10 of them a match and its of no consequence. But one professional tanker will be beat a professional AVer 100% of the time now in 1.7. YAH tell em, the fact that if you kill that guy in an ADV suit he can just equip a new one and keep coming at me is unfair! i want permadeth in this game, if i kill someone i want em to stay dead or be forced to use something thats more adventagious for me! So, its okay that tanks cost less than infantry? Because you just compared an ADV dropsuit to a HAV... am I reading that right? What world do you live in where a single tank costs less than a single infantry personal? World of tanks is that way ---------> advantageous btw Fish in a bucket!
8213 BIG BAD W0LVES 1276	Posted - 2013.12.29 08:57:00 - [33] - Quote Aizen Intiki wrote: Since 1.7, I've killed about 400-500 HAV's solo using AV. How many tanks did you kill from 1.0-1.6? Do you not see a problem here? These are tanks and yet they cost so little that people are just throwing them away on the field like they are empty tuna cans. Destroying the tanks isn't hard. Its the fact that they just keep getting called in and spammed game after game. Fish in a bucket!
Aizen Intiki Hell's Gate Inc 608	Posted - 2013.12.29 09:01:00 - [34] - Quote 8213 wrote: Aizen Intiki wrote: Since 1.7, I've killed about 400-500 HAV's solo using AV. How many tanks did you kill from 1.0-1.6? Do you not see a problem here? These are tanks and yet they cost so little that people are just throwing them away on the field like they are empty tuna cans. Destroying the tanks isn't hard. Its the fact that they just keep getting called in and spammed game after game. Sadly, only around 1000. but the prices are fine. Just that MLT HAV's are too strong (and Caldari vehicles/turrets in general are too strong), and needs nerfing. "Hello, world!" lol, sounds like something a whore lover would say Alt of the great Godin I like chocolate ^___^
True Adamance Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 5298	Posted - 2013.12.29 09:02:00 - [35] - Quote HYENAKILLER X wrote: Seriously, losing to scrubs because a team has 3 tanks on the feild is bad. Get a Sica and own them if they are scrubs. I'm getting to the point where I am able to take 3 tanks on at once or in rapid succession, downed 4 in an ambush match today..... HTFU. To a Texan like you, a hero is some type of weird sandwich, not some nut who takes on three Gunlogi. Reference = ISK
Wallaby1 The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine 67	Posted - 2013.12.29 10:32:00 - [36] - Quote if enemy tanks are such a problem Y U NO COUNTER TANK? suppose you think you should be able to just kill it with 3 grenades
Ghosts Chance Inf4m0us 638	Posted - 2013.12.29 11:39:00 - [37] - Quote 8213 wrote: Ghosts Chance wrote: 8213 wrote: Aizen Intiki wrote: DJINN Marauder wrote: If av is forced into team work, then tanks should be forced into team work as well. I propose tanks to be changed to having either having a main cannon that is not mainly anti infantry. Or having them become a 4 seater in which the driver is not he gunner. I just soloed a good 7 HAV's or so since I got home........ No. Whoop-dee-doo... The fact that the other team apparently can afford to drop 7 tanks in one pub match is a problem. The fact that you made no noticeable increase in iSK destroying that many tanks is a problem. And, you didn't solo sht. Because, you still needed help from your teammates to cover you when you went tank hunting. Yes, noob tankers are in force in this game. You can kill 10 of them a match and its of no consequence. But one professional tanker will be beat a professional AVer 100% of the time now in 1.7. YAH tell em, the fact that if you kill that guy in an ADV suit he can just equip a new one and keep coming at me is unfair! i want permadeth in this game, if i kill someone i want em to stay dead or be forced to use something thats more adventagious for me! So, its okay that tanks cost less than infantry? Because you just compared an ADV dropsuit to a HAV... am I reading that right? What world do you live in where a single tank costs less than a single infantry personal? World of tanks is that way ---------> advantageous btw there you go ranting about things i havnt said :P you "omg i hate tanks" guys always have the same things to say reguardless of what everyone else is talking about :P i mearly pointed out that its unreasonable to expect that a tanker wouldnt pull out another tank :P after all cost isnt even nessesarily a factor since people unprofitably run proto over and over again all the time :P so of course a guy who runs tanks is going to continue to bring tanks out, how else are you going to learn how not to explode? anything you read beyond that was in your imagination. my adv suit costs the same as a tank :P hence why i compaired them in that manner. and by compairison my demo fit is more threatening then a tank is even if its designed not to look that way for the pupose of bait :P get out of here with your same 4 phrases in responce to anything that isnt tank QQ blah blah blah teamwork blah blah blah cost blah blah blah spam blah blah blah crutch
True Adamance Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 5300	Posted - 2013.12.29 11:54:00 - [38] - Quote Himiko Kuronaga wrote: HYENAKILLER X wrote: Seriously, losing to scrubs because a team has 3 tanks on the feild is bad. So call 3 tanks. It's not like they are hard to use or expensive. In reality you are simply losing because you decided to. Depends. If those three idiots meet a smart enemy tanker yeah using an MLT tank becomes very hard. To a Texan like you, a hero is some type of weird sandwich, not some nut who takes on three Gunlogi. Reference = ISK
EVILyn Stadden Molon Labe. Public Disorder. 0	Posted - 2013.12.29 12:06:00 - [39] - Quote Personally I love the changes to tanks. I used to hate being raped by tanks in matches, but I've adopted the 'Adapt and overcome atittude.' I run ML tanks and AV and enjoy the skill involved in making both work effectively. ML tanks aren't OP in my opinion I get raped on a regular basis and eventually give up dropping them, or have the most fun ive had in a long time on this game. One more tanker on the field is one less groundie trying to take an objective in my opinion and gives the opposing ground forces the edge in numbers. Tanks are now more available to the masses to try out and see if they want to start skiling into. Personally I invite the idea of more vehicles onto the field. Its brought a new dynamic into the game. Has anyone seen the screenshots of the big vehicle battles!? xD These have been regularly popping up on my PC screensaver for months and I wondered when CCP were going to step the game to this level or encourage more vehicles skilling. Well guess what its working and people are having heaps of fun in the process. Hopefully these new changes will make more people 'Adapt and overcome' their play style. It would be great if these changes made people: 1) Stop running solo, 2) Maybe drop your 4 man corp corp and join one that has a larger player base and dont deploy till you got a full squad. 3) If the enemies dropping tanks, drop a ML Soma or Sica, dependant on the situation and try to out-manouver them. 4)Put some skills into tanks or AV maybe... 5) Just avoid the tanks,its pretty easy to do.. 6) Rage quit, uninstall and break your console with a bat and put that on youtube so we can all have a good laugh... There are plenty of awesome ways to kill tanks, and in the EVE/PVP fashion, Every battle has its unique characteristics that you can build on. This game is heavily Cooperative and that's what keeps me keen on it regardless of the various flaws. Teamwork wins matches. If you get jumped and outskiled take your licks, adapt and learn.
Monkey MAC Lost Millennium 1343	Posted - 2013.12.29 12:09:00 - [40] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Himiko Kuronaga wrote: HYENAKILLER X wrote: Seriously, losing to scrubs because a team has 3 tanks on the feild is bad. So call 3 tanks. It's not like they are hard to use or expensive. In reality you are simply losing because you decided to. Depends. If those three idiots meet a smart enemy tanker yeah using an MLT tank becomes very hard. So once again your reply is use a tank, that doesn't clock over as being OP to you? That I have to field the same thing as you to stand a chance of winning? Im sure I have told you about linear escalation before. So what about all those infantry hiding in a corner because they can't leave because of tanks? When do theh get to enjoy using the equipment they skilled into? Tanks 514 I told you, I bloody well told you. Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior of the Trees Lvl.1

Beld Errmon The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine 1184	Posted - 2013.12.29 12:10:00 - [41] - Quote 8213 wrote: How many tanks did you kill from 1.0-1.6? Do you not see a problem here? These are tanks and yet they cost so little that people are just throwing them away on the field like they are empty tuna cans. Destroying the tanks isn't hard. Its the fact that they just keep getting called in and spammed game after game. Why are you still here sooking about tanks when you supposedly quit and uninstalled the game? Tanks aren't ruining the game, your teams lack of tanks is, when both teams have tanks they are far to busy fighting each other to nail infantry.
Smooth Assassin Stardust incorporation 594	Posted - 2013.12.29 12:10:00 - [42] - Quote GeneralButtNaked wrote: My forge eats tanks up. What is your problem? Not until they turn that turtle mode st on. Assassination is my thing.**
Ghosts Chance Inf4m0us 638	Posted - 2013.12.29 12:13:00 - [43] - Quote Monkey MAC wrote: True Adamance wrote: Himiko Kuronaga wrote: HYENAKILLER X wrote: Seriously, losing to scrubs because a team has 3 tanks on the feild is bad. So call 3 tanks. It's not like they are hard to use or expensive. In reality you are simply losing because you decided to. Depends. If those three idiots meet a smart enemy tanker yeah using an MLT tank becomes very hard. So once again your reply is use a tank, that doesn't clock over as being OP to you? That I have to field the same thing as you to stand a chance of winning? Im sure I have told you about linear escalation before. So what about all those infantry hiding in a corner because they can't leave because of tanks? When do theh get to enjoy using the equipment they skilled into? if they come out swining with AV granades i GUARENTEE YOU that they can leave that corner :P that tanks going to have to bail pretty quickly :P if i can acomplish that with STD packav AV all on my lonesome then 3 of em should be able to put the hurt on more than i can am i wrong? ive noticed a pattern with you, every time anyone doesnt directly and completly agree with you on this issue you immediatly start ranting about this whole only a tank counters a tank nonsence... i suggest you pick a different argument and start packing AV nades on all your suits if your anything more then just a blowhard repeating yoruself over and over again.
Monkey MAC Lost Millennium 1344	Posted - 2013.12.29 13:37:00 - [44] - Quote Ghosts Chance wrote: Monkey MAC wrote: True Adamance wrote: Himiko Kuronaga wrote: HYENAKILLER X wrote: Seriously, losing to scrubs because a team has 3 tanks on the feild is bad. So call 3 tanks. It's not like they are hard to use or expensive. In reality you are simply losing because you decided to. Depends. If those three idiots meet a smart enemy tanker yeah using an MLT tank becomes very hard. So once again your reply is use a tank, that doesn't clock over as being OP to you? That I have to field the same thing as you to stand a chance of winning? Im sure I have told you about linear escalation before. So what about all those infantry hiding in a corner because they can't leave because of tanks? When do theh get to enjoy using the equipment they skilled into? if they come out swining with AV granades i GUARENTEE YOU that they can leave that corner :P that tanks going to have to bail pretty quickly :P if i can acomplish that with STD packav AV all on my lonesome then 3 of em should be able to put the hurt on more than i can am i wrong? ive noticed a pattern with you, every time anyone doesnt directly and completly agree with you on this issue you immediatly start ranting about this whole only a tank counters a tank nonsence... i suggest you pick a different argument and start packing AV nades on all your suits if your anything more then just a blowhard repeating yoruself over and over again. Great So I have to skill into more AV, because the orginal doesn't work? Then I have to hope the tank is stupid enough to get in rangemof me withoutnhis hardners active? Or I have to chase him across open fields? Brilliant. Look, the fact is simple AV needs to be a dedicated role, some people still don't understand that. But those that run dedicated AV don't have enough tools at their disposal. They don't get duely rewarded and the suitnthat lends itself to the role is terrible. We need more AV options than dealing damage, in the current iteration all but a forge gun deals pitiful damage against tankers with more than half a brain cell. I mean come one don't tell me that tanking is difficult at the moment. All you have to do is turn on a hardner as soon as you come under fire. The commando suit needs more buffs to make it sustainable as an AV suit, give it a grenade slot at the very least. Give us equipment that hampers tanks, things like temporal grenades, webifiers, emp grenades. Givd us artillery turrets that can be designated targets, give us bombers, gunships, give us something that tanks are WEAK to, give us a HARD COUNTER. And for balance, somewhere along the line a vehicle that takes out aerial ships should be weak to tanks. Then AV can be situationalaly better. For example look at Tom Clancy's EndWar Tank < Gunship < Transport < Tank Engineer > Vehicles (While in Cover, advantageous Position) Engineer < Soilder Soilder < Vehicles That's balance! Tanks 514 I told you, I bloody well told you. Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior of the Trees Lvl.1
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 2055	Posted - 2013.12.29 13:43:00 - [45] - Quote OP calls enemy scrubs because they have 3 tanks on the field If the enemy is a scrub what does that make OP since scrubs handed his ass to him on a plate Intelligence is OP
Darken-Sol BIG BAD W0LVES 1094	Posted - 2013.12.29 13:48:00 - [46] - Quote Beld Errmon wrote: 8213 wrote: How many tanks did you kill from 1.0-1.6? Do you not see a problem here? These are tanks and yet they cost so little that people are just throwing them away on the field like they are empty tuna cans. Destroying the tanks isn't hard. Its the fact that they just keep getting called in and spammed game after game. Why are you still here sooking about tanks when you supposedly quit and uninstalled the game? Tanks aren't ruining the game, your teams lack of tanks is, when both teams have tanks they are far to busy fighting each other to nail infantry. 82s got a fan. I don't remember peoples name unless they good. Except mith, he busts my balls every time I post. There was a time we fought good tankers. Now we just fight good tanks.
Niuvo NECROM0NGERS Covert Intervention 946	Posted - 2013.12.29 13:52:00 - [47] - Quote Since 1.7.
Kam Elto KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 159	Posted - 2013.12.29 14:23:00 - [48] - Quote Tankers are the cockroaches of New Eden. Blow them up or nerf them. I don't care as long as they are exterminated.
Sir Petersen Valhalla Nord 445	Posted - 2013.12.29 14:25:00 - [49] - Quote HYENAKILLER X wrote: Seriously, losing to scrubs because a team has 3 tanks on the feild is bad. Tanks are super easy to handle once you get the hang of it. Blew up 2 off them a minute ago. This game is easier with all this metal on the ground.
Leonid Tybalt Dark Knightz Corp. 60	Posted - 2013.12.29 14:26:00 - [50] - Quote 8213 wrote: Aizen Intiki wrote: Kill them? It's only 3..... Until they just call in another 3 because they are dirt cheap. Kill them too then? Or do you think that ammo is too expensive in this game?

Leonid Tybalt Dark Knightz Corp. 60	Posted - 2013.12.29 14:29:00 - [51] - Quote Beld Errmon wrote: 8213 wrote: How many tanks did you kill from 1.0-1.6? Do you not see a problem here? These are tanks and yet they cost so little that people are just throwing them away on the field like they are empty tuna cans. Destroying the tanks isn't hard. Its the fact that they just keep getting called in and spammed game after game. Why are you still here sooking about tanks when you supposedly quit and uninstalled the game? Tanks aren't ruining the game, your teams lack of tanks is, when both teams have tanks they are far to busy fighting each other to nail infantry. This ^
Operative 1171 Aajli Bragian Order Amarr Empire 952	Posted - 2013.12.29 14:32:00 - [52] - Quote You mean blaster tanks in ambush don't you? Because this doesn't happen in other modes nor with non blaster tanks. Play skirmish and enjoy how infantry plus droplinks wins regardless of tanks. Do your part. Join the revolution. Sabotage FW. Help this game burn! BURN DUST 2014
Leonid Tybalt Dark Knightz Corp. 60	Posted - 2013.12.29 14:35:00 - [53] - Quote DJINN Marauder wrote: If av is forced into team work, then tanks should be forced into team work as well. I propose tanks to be changed to having either having a main cannon that is not mainly anti infantry. Or having them become a 4 seater in which the driver is not he gunner. We are already forced into teamwork. We can't hack any objectives from inside a tank, we need help from infantry to do that. If we don't hack objectives then it doesn't matter how many kills we make because our team will lose. Also try going upp against coordinated tankers running in a convoy in just one tank on your own. It's nigh impossible, which illustrate that tanks need to cooperate too if they wish to be effective against other tanks.
stlcarlos989 SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 747	Posted - 2013.12.29 14:55:00 - [54] - Quote +1 only read title STB Director, #1 in Warpoints E3 Closed Beta Build
Darken-Sol BIG BAD W0LVES 1095	Posted - 2013.12.29 15:04:00 - [55] - Quote DJINN Marauder wrote: GeneralButtNaked wrote: My forge eats tanks up. What is your problem? My sica eats forge guns for breakfest. yep. And those poor poor swarmers are pathetic. I think CCP should take that off the list for starter fits. It only gets blueberries killed. tanks don't ruin matches. People ruin matches, with tanks. There was a time we fought good tankers. Now we just fight good tanks.
Aizen Intiki Hell's Gate Inc 611	Posted - 2013.12.29 16:33:00 - [56] - Quote 8213 wrote: Ghosts Chance wrote: 8213 wrote: Aizen Intiki wrote: DJINN Marauder wrote: If av is forced into team work, then tanks should be forced into team work as well. I propose tanks to be changed to having either having a main cannon that is not mainly anti infantry. Or having them become a 4 seater in which the driver is not he gunner. I just soloed a good 7 HAV's or so since I got home........ No. Whoop-dee-doo... The fact that the other team apparently can afford to drop 7 tanks in one pub match is a problem. The fact that you made no noticeable increase in iSK destroying that many tanks is a problem. And, you didn't solo sht. Because, you still needed help from your teammates to cover you when you went tank hunting. Yes, noob tankers are in force in this game. You can kill 10 of them a match and its of no consequence. But one professional tanker will be beat a professional AVer 100% of the time now in 1.7. YAH tell em, the fact that if you kill that guy in an ADV suit he can just equip a new one and keep coming at me is unfair! i want permadeth in this game, if i kill someone i want em to stay dead or be forced to use something thats more adventagious for me! So, its okay that tanks cost less than infantry? Because you just compared an ADV dropsuit to a HAV... am I reading that right? What world do you live in where a single tank costs less than a single infantry personal? World of tanks is that way ---------> advantageous btw Okay, I'm about to show you something, and it is fact. Not opinion, FACT. Actually, I'll show you two: Iphone 5s cost: $899.99 Average Laptop: $500 Ishkur cost: 24.8 mil ISK Vexor Cost: 9 mil ISK The first example is showing that it can be although weaker, since Iphone 5s is considered popular and strong for a smart phone, it costs more. The second example is the exact same ting. Although technically weaker, the ishkur is stronger ship of it's hull size, and therefore it will cost more. It's the same thing with HAV's and Dropsuits. At the end side, the HAV's will cost more. But if they are at polar end's of the spectrum mata level wise, one's obviously going to be more costly. But, that doesn't mean the MLT vehicles are balanced. SInce they are so cheap now, and since you can make a fit that's basically the same power of a good fitted HAV from a 10m SP pilot into a tech 1 hull that's just has longer cooldowns, there's an imbalance that needs to be fixed. They're still killable, just that's a little too much when I'm having to work just as hard to take down a ** fit as a good fit. "Hello, world!" lol, sounds like something a whore lover would say Alt of the great Godin I like chocolate ^___**^
HYENAKILLER X AGGRESSIVE TYPE 446	Posted - 2013.12.29 17:14:00 - [57] - Quote Scrubs defending tanks are scrubs. The truth us 99% of all tank users have almost no impact on matches without tanks. I blame battlefeild 4 for this also. Ccp has to remain competitive. Unlike tank clowns. Seruous buy a rail rifle if you suck. You are welcome for my leadership *Proven Aggressive Type
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 1595	Posted - 2013.12.29 18:23:00 - [58] - Quote Himiko Kuronaga wrote: HYENAKILLER X wrote: Seriously, losing to scrubs because a team has 3 tanks on the feild is bad. So call 3 tanks. It's not like they are hard to use or expensive. In reality you are simply losing because you decided to. LOL bad tanker calling tanks easy to use. Jumps out before they explode to use his forge gun. You're a bad tanker. Don't call tanks easy. Infantry cries for tank changes, and they don't like them. Tell them to use vehicles, they complain, and use cars anyway
CYRAX SERVIUS Death Firm. Canis Eliminatus Operatives 401	Posted - 2013.12.29 20:26:00 - [59] - Quote HYENAKILLER X wrote: Seriously, losing to scrubs because a team has 3 tanks on the feild is bad. Lure them off the field into tighter quarters, proxy's, re's forge's and swarms, BOOM!!! Then kill more tanks. CEO Invictus Maneo~ "I remain unvanquished"
Beld Errmon The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine 1194	Posted - 2013.12.29 21:16:00 - [60] - Quote Kam Elto wrote: Tankers are the cockroaches of New Eden. Blow them up or nerf them. I don't care as long as they are exterminated. HYENAKILLER X wrote: Scrubs defending tanks are scrubs. The truth us 99% of all tank users have almost no impact on matches without tanks. These are the people that wanna tell CCP how to balance the game, and what an interesting game we would have, spaceCod 2000 and fun.



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