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Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 1595	Posted - 2013.12.29 18:23:00 - [1] - Quote Himiko Kuronaga wrote: HYENAKILLER X wrote: Seriously, losing to scrubs because a team has 3 tanks on the feild is bad. So call 3 tanks. It's not like they are hard to use or expensive. In reality you are simply losing because you decided to. LOL bad tanker calling tanks easy to use. Jumps out before they explode to use his forge gun. You're a bad tanker. Don't call tanks easy. Infantry cries for tank changes, and they don't like them. Tell them to use vehicles, they complain, and use cars anyway
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 1604	Posted - 2013.12.30 08:49:00 - [2] - Quote HYENAKILLER X wrote: Seriously, losing to scrubs because a team has 3 tanks on the feild is bad. So squad with a tanker. Infantry cries for tank changes, and they don't like them. Tell them to use vehicles, they complain, and use cars anyway
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 1604	Posted - 2013.12.30 08:52:00 - [3] - Quote HYENAKILLER X wrote: Ghosts Chance wrote: HYENAKILLER X wrote: DJINN Marauder wrote: GeneralButtNaked wrote: My forge eats tanks up. What is your problem? My sica eats forge guns for breakfest. Nobody cares. Stop hiding in a tank nobody cares, start killing the tanks, and no i wont accept this "they cant be killed" bs i have yet to run into a tank i cant kill... and solo at that. forced av is garbage. Stop hiding in tanks pvssies LOL There's a weak argument in a nutshell. Dedicated infantry doesn't want to take out AV to destroy tanks. They complain that they can't destroy tanks. They complain there's one tank on the field. They complain that AV got nerfed. Is there anything pertaining to vehicles you don't complain about? Infantry cries for tank changes, and they don't like them. Tell them to use vehicles, they complain, and use cars anyway
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 1604	Posted - 2013.12.30 08:53:00 - [4] - Quote 8213 wrote: Ghosts Chance wrote: this is what, the 153rd or so complaint thread? congratulations you win the "pointless repetative statement thats been repeated more times then we can count" award for the day. nothing in this thread will be a new idea or statement, its a repeatt of a repeat of a reapeat etc etc etc...... quit posting uselss crap people, nobody wants to hear bitching and moaning anymore We had to hear tankers btch and moan since 1.0 about how they were UP. The minority complained long enough and CCP finally threw them a bone and made them FoTM. So, its only right that until they get balanced, people SHOULD btch and moan about it over, and over. Because CCP only listens to the loudest. They don't listen to the reasonable, or the objective. Don't like it? a) don't click on a tank thread b) don't exploit tanks in the game and encourage others not to c) tell CCP you want the issue resolved ASAP d) stop btching & moaning about others btching and moaning If there is this much complaining, then obviously something isn't right about tanks and they need to be addressed. You wanna try to fit out a dropsuit without proper CPU and PG skills? How many infantry complained that tanks were still too hard to destroy? Infantry cries for tank changes, and they don't like them. Tell them to use vehicles, they complain, and use cars anyway
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 1604	Posted - 2013.12.30 08:55:00 - [5] - Quote Himiko Kuronaga wrote: HYENAKILLER X wrote: Seriously, losing to scrubs because a team has 3 tanks on the feild is bad. So call 3 tanks. It's not like they are hard to use or expensive. In reality you are simply losing because you decided to. They're definitely hard for some people. Infantry cries for tank changes, and they don't like them. Tell them to use vehicles, they complain, and use cars anyway
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 1604	Posted - 2013.12.30 08:56:00 - [6] - Quote DJINN Marauder wrote: If av is forced into team work, then tanks should be forced into team work as well. I propose tanks to be changed to having either having a main cannon that is not mainly anti infantry. Or having them become a 4 seater in which the driver is not he gunner. You wanna remove blasters, then you gotta give up something. Infantry cries for tank changes, and they don't like them. Tell them to use vehicles, they complain, and use cars anyway
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 1604	Posted - 2013.12.30 08:58:00 - [7] - Quote 8213 wrote: Waaaaaaaaaaambulance Do you have any idea what just a Sica can do to the best tanks if they catch them without hardeners? Even a rail installation is great at AV. You just don't want to bother. You invalidate anything you say with that attitude. Infantry cries for tank changes, and they don't like them. Tell them to use vehicles, they complain, and use cars anyway
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 1604	Posted - 2013.12.30 08:59:00 - [8] - Quote 8213 wrote: Aizen Intiki wrote: DJINN Marauder wrote: If av is forced into team work, then tanks should be forced into team work as well. I propose tanks to be changed to having either having a main cannon that is not mainly anti infantry. Or having them become a 4 seater in which the driver is not he gunner. I just soloed a good 7 HAV's or so since I got home........ No. Whoop-dee-doo... The fact that the other team apparently can afford to drop 7 tanks in one pub match is a problem. The fact that you made no noticeable increase in iSK destroying that many tanks is a problem. And, you didn't solo sh*t. Because, you still needed help from your teammates to cover you when you went tank hunting. Yes, noob tankers are in force in this game. You can kill 10 of them a match and its of no consequence. But one professional tanker will be beat a professional AVer 100% of the time now in 1.7. Who said he needed help? There are some people that are pretty intelligent, that know the terrain, and know how to handle their own machine. All I need is someone watching the field, telling me where vehicles are, and I'm all good to go. I mean, it's not my fault that you don't listen to us when we tell you how to destroy us. How many times collectively have tankers told infantry how to destroy us? Maybe 10,000 times? Infantry cries for tank changes, and they don't like them. Tell them to use vehicles, they complain, and use cars anyway
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 1604	Posted - 2013.12.30 09:02:00 - [9] - Quote 8213 wrote: Ghosts Chance wrote: 8213 wrote: Aizen Intiki wrote: DJINN Marauder wrote: If av is forced into team work, then tanks should be forced into team work as well. I propose tanks to be changed to having either having a main cannon that is not mainly anti infantry. Or having them become a 4 seater in which the driver is not he gunner. I just soloed a good 7 HAV's or so since I got home........ No. Whoop-dee-doo... The fact that the other team apparently can afford to drop 7 tanks in one pub match is a problem. The fact that you made no noticeable increase in iSK destroying that many tanks is a problem. And, you didn't solo sht. Because, you still needed help from your teammates to cover you when you went tank hunting. Yes, noob tankers are in force in this game. You can kill 10 of them a match and its of no consequence. But one professional tanker will be beat a professional AVer 100% of the time now in 1.7. YAH tell em, the fact that if you kill that guy in an ADV suit he can just equip a new one and keep coming at me is unfair! i want permadeth in this game, if i kill someone i want em to stay dead or be forced to use something thats more adventagious for me! So, its okay that tanks cost less than infantry? Because you just compared an ADV dropsuit to a HAV... am I reading that right? What world do you live in where a single tank costs less than a single infantry personal? World of tanks is that way ---------> advantageous btw Another one complaining that MLT gear is cheaper than PRO gear. That's like complaining a Honda is cheaper than a Ferrari. Infantry cries for tank changes, and they don't like them. Tell them to use vehicles, they complain, and use cars anyway
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 1604	Posted - 2013.12.30 09:03:00 - [10] - Quote 8213 wrote: Aizen Intiki wrote: Since 1.7, I've killed about 400-500 HAV's solo using AV. How many tanks did you kill from 1.0-1.6? Do you not see a problem here? These are tanks and yet they cost so little that people are just throwing them away on the field like they are empty tuna cans. Destroying the tanks isn't hard. Its the fact that they just keep getting called in and spammed game after game. Yet few of you ever agreed that PRO turrets were prohibitively expensive. Do you know what it's like to lose 1.5 mil in one death? Maybe CCP should increase the price of PRO to what it used to be, over 300,000 ISK for one suit, with no modules on it. Infantry cries for tank changes, and they don't like them. Tell them to use vehicles, they complain, and use cars anyway

Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 1604	Posted - 2013.12.30 09:07:00 - [11] - Quote Monkey MAC wrote: True Adamance wrote: Himiko Kuronaga wrote: HYENAKILLER X wrote: Seriously, losing to scrubs because a team has 3 tanks on the feild is bad. So call 3 tanks. It's not like they are hard to use or expensive. In reality you are simply losing because you decided to. Depends. If those three idiots meet a smart enemy tanker yeah using an MLT tank becomes very hard. So once again your reply is use a tank, that doesn't clock over as being OP to you? That I have to field the same thing as you to stand a chance of winning? Im sure I have told you about linear escalation before. So what about all those infantry hiding in a corner because they can't leave because of tanks? When do theh get to enjoy using the equipment they skilled into? So if you're facing 4 guys in Gallente suits, kinda CQC, what do you do? Use an SMG or shotgun, or use a mass driver? You could go from point to point using BPO vehicles so you don't lose ISK, and have someone watching out for tanks, so you don't get stopped on the way. Why do we always have to tell you how to do things? Infantry cries for tank changes, and they don't like them. Tell them to use vehicles, they complain, and use cars anyway
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 1604	Posted - 2013.12.30 09:10:00 - [12] - Quote Monkey MAC wrote: Great So I have to skill into more AV, because the orginal doesn't work? Then I have to hope the tank is stupid enough to get in rangemof me withoutnhis hardners active? Or I have to chase him across open fields? Brilliant. Look, the fact is simple AV needs to be a dedicated role, some people still don't understand that. But those that run dedicated AV don't have enough tools at their disposal. They don't get duely rewarded and the suitnthat lends itself to the role is terrible. We need more AV options than dealing damage, in the current iteration all but a forge gun deals pitiful damage against tankers with more than half a brain cell. I mean come one don't tell me that tanking is difficult at the moment. All you have to do is turn on a hardner as soon as you come under fire. The commando suit needs more buffs to make it sustainable as an AV suit, give it a grenade slot at the very least. Give us equipment that hampers tanks, things like temporal grenades, webifiers, emp grenades. Givd us artillery turrets that can be designated targets, give us bombers, gunships, give us something that tanks are WEAK to, give us a HARD COUNTER. And for balance, somewhere along the line a vehicle that takes out aerial ships should be weak to tanks. Then AV can be situationalaly better. For example look at Tom Clancy's EndWar Tank < Gunship < Transport < Tank Engineer > Vehicles (While in Cover, advantageous Position) Engineer < Soilder Soilder < Vehicles That's balance! Guess what................ a railgun is a hard counter to all tankers. Every single tanker tucks tail and runs when they start getting hit by a railgun. But that's not fair to you, because that means you can't PRO stomp noobs fresh out the academy. Infantry cries for tank changes, and they don't like them. Tell them to use vehicles, they complain, and use cars anyway
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 1604	Posted - 2013.12.30 09:12:00 - [13] - Quote Surt gods end wrote: Beld Errmon wrote: Kam Elto wrote: Tankers are the cockroaches of New Eden. Blow them up or nerf them. I don't care as long as they are exterminated. HYENAKILLER X wrote: Scrubs defending tanks are scrubs. The truth us 99% of all tank users have almost no impact on matches without tanks. These are the people that wanna tell CCP how to balance the game, and what an interesting game we would have, spaceCod 2000 and fun. No body wants Cod. Cod is the justin barber of FPS. But to taki and spkr you get the impression that to them DUST514 is a RTS and not FPS. if moves, and looks, and barks like a dog..then it must be a lion? FPS doesn't mean only infantry all the time. Infantry cries for tank changes, and they don't like them. Tell them to use vehicles, they complain, and use cars anyway
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 1604	Posted - 2013.12.30 09:13:00 - [14] - Quote HYENAKILLER X wrote: Scrubs roll in tanks period. So many guys should be dieing but to busy running from tanks. Tankers cant fight So pilots are scrubs now. Fine then. People that only run in PRO gear are scrubs too. Why do you need such a crutch? Infantry cries for tank changes, and they don't like them. Tell them to use vehicles, they complain, and use cars anyway
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 1604	Posted - 2013.12.30 09:13:00 - [15] - Quote HYENAKILLER X wrote: GeneralButtNaked wrote: HYENAKILLER X wrote: I can actually get kills without 4k hp and rolling 30 mph. Go hide in your tank clown. This is a mans topic. I am a Forge Gunner, clearly more man than you, because I face down those 4k hp tanks and live, while you scurry around like a cockroach and die. And then come and cry about it. Real manly. You hide on roof tops with nanohives. Manly. That's using the terrain to his advantage, something you clearly don't know how to do. Infantry cries for tank changes, and they don't like them. Tell them to use vehicles, they complain, and use cars anyway
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 1604	Posted - 2013.12.30 09:14:00 - [16] - Quote Atiim wrote: HYENAKILLER X wrote: No I expect half the comunity to pad its stats with tanks. That's practically all they've ever been used for. Even before 1.6. Says the guy that had to use AV to destroy tanks because he's such a bad tanker himself. Infantry cries for tank changes, and they don't like them. Tell them to use vehicles, they complain, and use cars anyway
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 1604	Posted - 2013.12.30 09:31:00 - [17] - Quote Thumb Green wrote: Nobody else post anything; let's see how many pages Spkr can fill by himself by only quoting & responding to a single person in each post with only 1-3 sentences. So I should post the way you want me to? Infantry cries for tank changes, and they don't like them. Tell them to use vehicles, they complain, and use cars anyway
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 1620	Posted - 2013.12.30 19:00:00 - [18] - Quote HYENAKILLER X wrote: Do any of you clown tankers ever think about why you have such high kdr? you cant defend against tanks and infantry effecticely at the same time.You have to choose one or the other. seeing how av is garbage 95% of the community just equips rifles. Who do you guys think you are kidding? The ones that camp in the redline have a high KDR. I don't camp in the redline, mine is a little below 3.0. I'm in the fight, trying to make a difference. Infantry cries for tank changes, and they don't like them. Tell them to use vehicles, they complain, and use cars anyway
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 1620	Posted - 2013.12.30 19:05:00 - [19] - Quote Surt gods end wrote: It's the obvious go to. You die less. nothing more to it than that. Many don't go into FPS games with the thought of "I'm never gonna have to shoot a gun with hands EVER in this game" Even those that went into dedicated HAV roles in PS2 or BF or Arma, warhark, unreal ext. They knew what they were playing, a fps game. But in those FPS games that avenue of abuse is closed, by how HAV and AV work. If the simple equation is Infantry=Infantry Hav> Infantry AV> Hav Then what happened? Are we going for RL equation? They really wouldn't want that! lol since in RL AV is close to OHK with tanks Ok, so FPS rules can't apply. RL rules can't apply. lol Man, there is no spinning this as to why this FPS game has troubles. or that 1.7 brought anyone back or kept anyone. But you see, in real life, tanks have countermeasures, and we can't be allowed to have those, right? Infantry cries for tank changes, and they don't like them. Tell them to use vehicles, they complain, and use cars anyway