I can afford to lose over a hundred and keep going, and I'm poor right now. It's still an investment though, and I intend to get the maximum amount of isk/lost tanks ratio I can. Sorry that you didn't bring something to counter it, like another tank, a dedicated AV guy, or a jihadjeep. Just because you can't kill it with your AR it doesn't mean it should be removed from the game.

We both know that the instant they implement the bubble shields you little ARtards will be hiding in them and still *****ing about the redline, even though you now have the same(actually better, since it stops bullets) protection, but you still can't actually be assed to either kill us yourself, or get someone else to do it.

So again, sorry that you can't figure out that things in the redline can be killed/effectively shut down if you bring the right counter. Don't worry, the flood of tears from you whiners will soon punt the game back to AR514 and yes, I mean back because it will be a massive backwards step for this game.

Remove it from the game, fix your matchmaking so you wont need it. If other team is redlined for more than 2 minutes end the match.

Or how bout being in the redline for too long removes you from match kinda like afk'ers, no points or damage done if your in the redline with a long range weapon i.e. sniper rifle or rail tank. It ruins the game for people who actually play

The redline encourages people to give up 'meeaahh this match is too hard i lost a proto suit im just gonna sit in the redline and snipe' I'm a sniper and i hate redline snipers

I dunno something idc but the hiding in the redline the whole game is the most annoying thing in the world /RantOver

Yeah, how dare people try to use a weapon intended to be used from long range, from long range. from an area that they're relatively safe in... Tactics OP much?

If you have cover, you're going to use it. the other guy doesn't have it so it's not fair. Boo mother****ing hoo. War is unfair. The smart guy wins the fight. Sorry that you're too stupid to figure out to keep your head down if there are snipers or tanks about. Maybe you'll learn something instead of *****ing on the forums.

All battles should occur within knife range(so no weapon is at a disadvantage) in a skill vacuum(SP might provide an unfair advantage to one side) and no cover for either party, in a standard(modules might be unfairly used) minmatar medium suit(average tank on both sides, to minimize the unfair advantage of weapon damage types) and should have players removed from the equation as well(since actual player skill would also provide an unfair advantage) If you want fair play.

I'll state it again: War is unfair. You want "fair"(disadvantaged against your own style. You want long range players to run into the fight swinging their weapon like a club for some reason.) play? Go make your own game.

Remove it from the game, fix your matchmaking so you wont need it. If other team is redlined for more than 2 minutes end the match.

Or how bout being in the redline for too long removes you from match kinda like afk'ers, no points or damage done if your in the redline with a long range weapon i.e. sniper rifle or rail tank. It ruins the game for people who actually play

The redline encourages people to give up 'meeaahh this match is too hard i lost a proto suit im just gonna sit in the redline and snipe' I'm a sniper and i hate redline snipers

I dunno something idc but the hiding in the redline the whole game is the most annoying thing in the world /RantOver

holy **** i didnt expect this post to develop so much rage and hate....

you can kill players in the redline, it's not that safe. redline snipers are better than half my team sitting in the MCC.

your dumb, i snipe but i refuse to snipe out of the redline due to respect for myself/class. Its like sleeping with a fat chick, everyone can do it but not every one does for respect for themselves. I'm the sniper shooting the sniper in the face in the redline, I'm the tank thats keeping your turtle tank at bay that hides behind a hill you cant shoot him at i.e. manus peak every time he gets hit, I was the sniper on top of the highest vantage point in the game(out of the redline) keeping tools like you in your place. Oh but wait.... lets make it so people cant get on the towers because people cried about snipers up there but feed into you redline tools.

Challenge accepted get at me redline boy. Sorry I misspoke "get at me tactical advantage points boy" keep tellin yourself this.

And? You need better positioning or teamwork. I know it's foreign to you, but this is a team based game. kind of hard to run from two militia railgun tanks firing even close to the same time. Or just use a prototype railgun and the poor bastard will be reduced to wreckage before he knows what hit him.

If they're out of your render, then you are out of theirs. If you're like me(you're not.) then you're close enough to their redline that them not rendering means they are so deep that they can't render anyone on your team.

And again: If you have the advantage(redline positioning and enemies stupid enough to funnel or try to rush you straight across an open field) Press it. Don't let up because the enemy is weak. They're weak, they deserve to be crushed. They got redlined? "Awwww, shucks guys, let's just let them take three or four points out of pity and e-bushido" seems to be your strategy. Mine is keep them there. Run in and shank someone just for giggles on a militia scout fit because they're so bad, I can do so with impunity. We've won when all they can do is snipe. heads down, have a smoke maybe even tell some jokes or see how long one of them takes to switch to a battle fit and get killed by the squad waiting just outside the redline.

Sorry that you are totally devoid of tactics beyond rushing them like a neanderthal. Maybe if you put any thought towards teamwork, positioning, or patience you'd be killing them instead of the other way around.

And I did not get off topic at all. HMGs are made for tight spaces so finding one in a hallway is as bad as fighting a sniper from an open field at 300 meters. Fighting in a situation you can't win is stupid, so stop doing that and make it a situation you can win. It's just like punching a brick wall with steel spikes coming out of it. You're not going to win that way, so don't do it. Go grab a sledgehammer and bust the thing down.

You need the right tool for the job. You're a tool alright, but not the right one.

I never met a sniper I couldn't kill, nor have I never hid well enough while remaining highly effective to not get love tapped once or twice. If you don't headshot me with the first round, your dead, period. Snipers love snacks, use your mic, feed him a distance and direction. If you don't pray to the angels, all they will do is watch you. #teamchat

On matchmaking being an issue, CCP already knows how keep newberries safe. EVE has high sec low sec null sec, they can implement that same system for Std adv and proto gear. CCP wants intense deadly interaction, which I fought through as a young merc like many of you did, without bitching I might add.
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and as for team-based....... we que sync, and I believe Navi is actually arguing on the side of our victims..... when objectives are lost, everyone retreats to the redline and therefore totally gives up the chance for a win from their side. We're sick of that, a good fight to the end is the best! We're talking about a way to encourage fighting, and discourage turtling/suicide/give-up-edness.

*edit* because grammmmuur.

Ok...so rail rifles, combat rifles, scrambler rifles, and sometimes SMGs are "try hard" weapons. So...you ok with nova knives and plasma cannons? What is acceptable play to you outside of sniping?
To this yes I am ok with novas but have trouble using them myself. I have a plasma cannon alt account and I can say it is challenging to use against infantry which most said it is supposed to be used for. Rail rifles shouldn't even need to be explained with the basic fact that it does 55 dps on BASIC and is has a further optimal range than most of the auto/semi auto guns on the game meaning you don't have to get better at using it just put it on any suit. Subs have their times but they CAN be used by true try hards. Scr definitely hasn't changed even with the 1.7 update but is just being used a little less(my be exaggerating when I say a little) with the RR and CR coming out. Combat Rifle eats up any suit just like and auto weapon/ burst weapon and with the fact that CCP has their priorities set wrong. There's nothing I can do but accept that this game is turning into COD514 w/ Tanks Tm. I love seeing everyone play but the way everyone (I don't mean EVERYONE) is playing it only pushes to separate the styles further than mix them in so all playstyles is acceptable and has counter measures going against each other all the while NOT FORCING people to be in tune with FOTMs

I'm not trolling, guy. You started with flamethrower posting and you've got some decent points to make but now you want basically layout that 85% or better of the players aren't good enough to play with on the same field as you?

To the first yes I am ok with novas but have trouble using them myself. I have a plasma cannon alt account and I can say it is challenging to use against infantry which most said it is supposed to be used for. Rail rifles shouldn't even need to be explained with the basic fact that it does 55 dps on BASIC and is has a further optimal range than most of the auto/semi auto guns on the game meaning you don't have to get better at using it just put it on any suit. Subs have their times but they CAN be used by true try hards. Scr definitely hasn't changed even with the 1.7 update but is just being used a little less(my be exaggerating when I say a little) with the RR and CR coming out. Combat Rifle eats up any suit just like and auto weapon/ burst weapon and with the fact that CCP has their priorities set wrong. There's nothing I can do but accept that this game is turning into COD514 w/ Tanks Tm. I love seeing everyone play but the way everyone (I don't mean EVERYONE) is playing it only pushes to separate the styles further than mix them in so all playstyles is acceptable and has counter measures going against each other all the while NOT FORCING people to be in tune with FOTMs

Every update we all have to adapt so of course I spec'd out of snipers. I love shot gunning other snipers and protecting lone nodes by myself or with a little help. At first I used scrambler rifles as a anti-infantry weapon while around crowded areas and run into, 85% of the time, assault logis, protos on every match (squad or not) dominating the field, and now heavies (which I love seeing). Not excluding heavies, the most weapons used include RR more than most and CR a little less as of the update while still seeing ARs. As said before my natural playstyle is opposite of this. I'm only in there for a little extra support. Most players have proven, (squaded or not) that they are in fact try hards trying to truely pad K/D or wins.

I'm not against that at all but if people or CCP keep trying to destroy a playstyle that most complain about then that's when a bigger "protection" is needed. I quote that because I know idiots will abuse it sooner or later. That answer everything clearly?

The post is about people engaging from the redline, not being redlined. I hate redline matches their boring as hell to me
Also you have no clue how I play or my sp/skill base or what im spec'd into, so do yourself a favor and stop talking, unsubscribing to this post now since you have trolled n ruined its original concept. feel free to email me on your main character when you wanna square off so you can show us how awesome you are, unlike you i post on the character i play not the one i hide behind

Oh rretri, you entertain me so.

Sportsmanship? You mean that thing where you have to pretend to be nice to people who at best I don't care about? Yeah, Never understood that. If you're being a whiny little girl, the nicest I'll do is not take time out of my incredibly empty schedule to point it out.

And I personally hate equipspam and don't do it. I even make it a point to have fluxes on every single fit to counter it.

That's the problem with people like you. anytime someone else has the advantage, they're "unsportsmanlike" or cheating, or cheap. Your little narcissistic mind can't possibly comprehend that you have been outsmarted, outgunned, and killed for fighting someone better equipped for the engagement.

Does the fish begrudge the heron? Then why do you begrudge the sniper? To you, he's some evil monster who hates you personally! To him? You're just a notch on his rifle at best, he won't even remember your name by the end of the match. I never do, unless I get someone "forum famous" and even then it's more of a "Mental note, I killed such and such. Maybe badger them about it at some point in the- Ooooh fancy suit, kill it, kill it."