DUST Search - I hope the RR & CR don't get nerfed

BL4CKST4R wrote:

Magnus Amadeuss wrote:

Rusty Shallows wrote:

Ghost Kaisar wrote:

Rusty Shallows wrote:

The last Rifle nerfing was on TARs and even then it only to stop them from being better than regular ARs. While I have no doubt the Devs collectively lost their minds they didn't nerf-bat ScRs useless in 1.7. So they aren't likely to harm the newer rifles any time soon.

No. TAR got nerfed because it was too viable in ALL situations. It could destroy you at close, mid, and long range. All it needed was a huge hipfire accuracy and ROF nerf and it would have been fine. Ammo nerf was way to far IMHO.

Snip.

How do you disagree and then end up saying the same thing? What part of completely outperforming the regular AR is so confusing?

At any rate my deteriorating grammar tells me it is time to get some sleep. Good night. May all your attempts to get Nerfs fail. 1.7 is a great example of how nerfing damages this game in significant ways.

I think a weapon rebalance is coming soon, there are just too many anomolies at this point. I mean just look at the rifles max DPS:

AR around 650
CR around 1000
SCR around 1300
RR around 660

That is just the rifles, not to mention how no one uses the laser rifle, mass driver, plasma cannon, flaylock, and swarm launchers anymore. On top of that I see fewer and fewer snipers, pistols, nova knives, and shotgunners too.

AR around 650
CR around 1000
SCR around 1300
RR around 660

Wrong numbers

AR=750/60 x 35.7= 446.25
CR= 1200/60 x 33.6 = 672 (Burst) 1200/60 x 22= 440 (Assault)
SCR= 705.88/60 x 37.6= 442.35 (Assault) 705.88/60 x 75= 881.25 (Normal if it could be fired constantly)
RR= 461.54/60 x 57.75= 444.33 (Normal) 600/60 x 45.04= 450.04 (Assault)

This might look balanced but the fact the AR does the same amount of DPS as every other weapon at a shorter range makes it UP, on the contrary the Assault rail rifle does more DPS THAN ANY OTHER WEAPON (Aside from the CR and the SCR) at a longer range makes it OP. Equal DPS =/= balanced weapons since the RR is a high burst damage weapon/high range, meaning its DPS should be lower.

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DeadlyAztec11 Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 2987	Posted - 2013.12.28 07:20:00 - [1] - Quote Really hoping they don't. Probably will My alts: GeneralJohnRipper, Draxus Prime, MoonEagle A, Long Evity And this is why I am the #1 forum warrior.
PARKOUR PRACTIONER Redline Defense Force Seekers of the Unseen 130	Posted - 2013.12.28 07:22:00 - [2] - Quote Anyone that wants the nerf bat to be swung on my precious CRs and RRs should get KTFO with said bat.-That is all. 'Don't talk to strangers, shoot them.' Snow LOCKOUT Dropship Pilot Scout Devotee Remaining invisible is my thing
Lurchasaurus SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 2173	Posted - 2013.12.28 07:22:00 - [3] - Quote everyone is using them so its the only thing in the killfeed. butthurt goes to what kills you most or what makes you most jealous. you dont win this game by shooting a guy with your gun, you win by demanding his gun shoot marshmallows "He shouldve realized at that point I was lying as I'd already had my morning poo and I don't read newspapers." CB Vet
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 1450	Posted - 2013.12.28 07:23:00 - [4] - Quote DeadlyAztec11 wrote: Really hoping they don't. Probably will Given they kill me no faster than a standard AR I doubt it. They only seem OP because of the sheer NUMBER of people using them who are bored with all AR, all the time. But getting whacked with an advanced RR seems about the same as getting ganked with a GEK, same with the CR, so I don't see much nerfage happening. the enthusiasm for the new weapons is because they're new. The RR doesn't outshoot the AR in CQC, and the burst takes a bit of getting used to.
PARKOUR PRACTIONER Redline Defense Force Seekers of the Unseen 130	Posted - 2013.12.28 07:24:00 - [5] - Quote You win by zig-zagging aroung those bullets like a boss. Never stop moving, unless your hiding from a tank.XD 'Don't talk to strangers, shoot them.' Snow LOCKOUT Dropship Pilot Scout Devotee Remaining invisible is my thing
DeadlyAztec11 Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 2989	Posted - 2013.12.28 07:31:00 - [6] - Quote I actually don't perceive the nerf due to how many people are running it. I perceive the nerf due to how fast they kill. I mean I don't feel comfortable taking on.a proto heavy with a standard AR, but I.have no.issues with the standard RR and CR. My alts: GeneralJohnRipper, Draxus Prime, MoonEagle A, Long Evity And this is why I am the #1 forum warrior.
calvin b SCAVENGER'S DAUGHTER 1333	Posted - 2013.12.28 07:32:00 - [7] - Quote I love them both, but the CR is my sweet sweet killing machine. I have been seeing a great mix of all weapons and this is what makes me happy. It says all weapons are close to being balanced and each has there role that makes them special TANK514 another sign of cancer in the game
BL4CKST4R WarRavens League of Infamy 1433	Posted - 2013.12.28 07:42:00 - [8] - Quote All the rifles are out of whack to be honest. For example the Burst and Breach variants of the AR are utter crap. The rail rifle can outmatch any weapon any time of the day, while the AR has become another Dust 514 novelty weapon. The AR should be king at CQC period, the only weapon that should really go toe to toe with it is the Assault combat rifle and obviously the shotgun, any other weapon trying to go CQC should really have a skilled user behind it. The Breach and Burst Assault rifle should have their range buffed and their DPS buffed, the Assault rifle needs a DPS buff. The Combat rifle is fine where it is. The Scrambler rifle is fine where it is, except maybe make a charged shot slowly eat your soul away. The Rail rifle (both versions) needs a range nerf so it is closer to the scrambler rifle but below the laser rifle. It also needs higher recoil or a longer spool time, something to stop it from being such a swiss army knife. It's just to good at everything,both long range and short range combat, and with its long range its obvious why this gun is becoming more and more common. The Laser rifle needs a DPS buff and something to set it as the king of Long range engagements, and the dunce of short range combat. Assault rifle = High DPS/Short range/Low burst damage Combat rifle= High DPS/ Short-Mid range/Low burst damage Scrambler rifle= Mid DPS/ Mid-Long range/Mid burst damage (High charged) Rail rifle= Low DPS/Long range/High burst damage Laser rifle= High DPS/Long range/Low burst damage/Powerful sustained damage (Terrible at CQC since damage must be sustained)
Rusty Shallows 604	Posted - 2013.12.28 08:12:00 - [9] - Quote The last Rifle nerfing was on TARs and even then it only to stop them from being better than regular ARs. They didn't nerf-bat ScRs useless in 1.7. So they aren't likely to harm the newer rifles any time soon. MCC Lounge Lizard Forums > Game Fix the game CCP
Ghost Kaisar Titans of Phoenix 1382	Posted - 2013.12.28 08:23:00 - [10] - Quote Rusty Shallows wrote: The last Rifle nerfing was on TARs and even then it only to stop them from being better than regular ARs. While I have no doubt the Devs collectively lost their minds they didn't nerf-bat ScRs useless in 1.7. So they aren't likely to harm the newer rifles any time soon. No. TAR got nerfed because it was too viable in ALL situations. It could destroy you at close, mid, and long range. All it needed was a huge hipfire accuracy and ROF nerf and it would have been fine. Ammo nerf was way to far IMHO. RR needs a nerf for the same reason. A weapon that is effective out to 90m can still destroy in CQC. Hell no. If that thing has the power to hit hard at long range, it would be hard as hell to control in CQC. Give it some terrible hipfire, and you will see far less people rushing you with the dang thing. CR needs a nerf to it's Burst ROF. The DPS you can achieve with that thing is downright impressive if you got a good trigger finger. Hipfire is fine, as it's a bull-pup weapon. It's supposed to have good hipfire. The range seems perfect for it. Enough range to threaten an AR outside it's optimal, and not enough to safely take on RR or ScR users. It's hipfire will be it's saving grace against the ScR or RR users if they both get a hipfire nerf (seeing as they are long range weapons.) As for the ScR, it needs that hipfire nerf. Include a more sensitive overheat, and it's fine. It's main problem is the ability to spam the dang thing like crazy at range, or use the charge+Spam in CQC to make it a shotgun. Remove the hipfire and it becomes far less viable in CQC, making charge shots a gamble at that range due to the improved overheat. It's fine at range. That's what it's supposed to do. AR needs more damage, and less range. That thing should be the bane of your existence in CQC. You should see an AR Gallente at 20m and think "OH HELL. WHERE'S COVER?". Out-ranging them should be standard procedure. If you let them get close, you deserve your death. Note: these are just for the standard variants. Minmatar Faction Warfare: Let's get Organized

Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 5125	Posted - 2013.12.28 08:26:00 - [11] - Quote Yeah, because CR outputting 640 DPS at pinpoint accuracy is totally fine. Oh and the RR being a swizz army knife that can easily outdo the AR in CQC is fine too right? AR is outdone by all the rifles, it's a novelty weapon now. SCR is an all around monster for those that aren't trigger happy snot eating idiots. CR is an all around monster, and it's for EVERYONE! RR isn't as much of a monster, but it has extreme range and extreme accuracy. Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives. Tuna > Tacos
BL4CKST4R WarRavens League of Infamy 1436	Posted - 2013.12.28 08:32:00 - [12] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Yeah, because CR outputting 640 DPS at pinpoint accuracy is totally fine. Oh and the RR being a swizz army knife that can easily outdo the AR in CQC is fine too right? AR is outdone by all the rifles, it's a novelty weapon now. SCR is an all around monster for those that aren't trigger happy snot eating idiots. CR is an all around monster, and it's for EVERYONE! RR isn't as much of a monster, but it has extreme range and extreme accuracy. AR goes on the same shelf as the Mass driver SCR rewards accuracy (unless you an Amarr Assault in which case spray away), but man if you catch somebody of guard with that shot you have been charging for a half the match oh boy CR is the definition of spray and pray, although missing with it is a sin punishable by death. Specially the burst variant. RR is a monster once its damage modded it can kill any suit in less than 10 shots.
Arx Ardashir Imperium Aeternum 301	Posted - 2013.12.28 08:40:00 - [13] - Quote BL4CKST4R wrote: The Scrambler rifle is fine where it is, except maybe make a charged shot slowly eat your soul away. Lol Amarr HAV Speculation
Rusty Shallows 604	Posted - 2013.12.28 08:42:00 - [14] - Quote Ghost Kaisar wrote: Rusty Shallows wrote: The last Rifle nerfing was on TARs and even then it only to stop them from being better than regular ARs. While I have no doubt the Devs collectively lost their minds they didn't nerf-bat ScRs useless in 1.7. So they aren't likely to harm the newer rifles any time soon. No. TAR got nerfed because it was too viable in ALL situations. It could destroy you at close, mid, and long range. All it needed was a huge hipfire accuracy and ROF nerf and it would have been fine. Ammo nerf was way to far IMHO. Snip. How do you disagree and then end up saying the same thing? What part of completely outperforming the regular AR is so confusing? At any rate my deteriorating grammar tells me it is time to get some sleep. Good night. May all your attempts to get Nerfs fail. 1.7 is a great example of how nerfing damages this game in significant ways. MCC Lounge Lizard Forums > Game Fix the game CCP
Lynn Beck Granite Mercenary Division Top Men. 425	Posted - 2013.12.28 08:45:00 - [15] - Quote 10 shots? Try going against them with scouts or minmatar frames. Under 28db Officially nerfproof (predicting CR nerf February '14) I have a God, His name is Dakka.
Magnus Amadeuss Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 293	Posted - 2013.12.28 08:48:00 - [16] - Quote Rusty Shallows wrote: Ghost Kaisar wrote: Rusty Shallows wrote: The last Rifle nerfing was on TARs and even then it only to stop them from being better than regular ARs. While I have no doubt the Devs collectively lost their minds they didn't nerf-bat ScRs useless in 1.7. So they aren't likely to harm the newer rifles any time soon. No. TAR got nerfed because it was too viable in ALL situations. It could destroy you at close, mid, and long range. All it needed was a huge hipfire accuracy and ROF nerf and it would have been fine. Ammo nerf was way to far IMHO. Snip. How do you disagree and then end up saying the same thing? What part of completely outperforming the regular AR is so confusing? At any rate my deteriorating grammar tells me it is time to get some sleep. Good night. May all your attempts to get Nerfs fail. 1.7 is a great example of how nerfing damages this game in significant ways. I think a weapon rebalance is coming soon, there is just too many anomolies at this point. I mean just look at the rifles max DPS: AR around 650 CR around 1000 SCR around 1300 RR around 660 That is just the rifles, not to mention how no one uses the laser rifle, mass driver, plasma cannon, flaylock, and swarm launchers anymore. On top of that I see fewer and fewer snipers, pistols, nova knives, and shotgunners too. While there is no better place to be wealthy than the Gallente Federation, there is no hell worse for the poor either.
Rowdy Railgunner Turalyon 514 Turalyon Alliance 320	Posted - 2013.12.28 08:58:00 - [17] - Quote The AR is not a "novelty weapon" the SCR and DAR/DTAC are still very viable. Infact, the DTAC is more powerful now because of the prevalence of the RR and CR. More people are shielding themselves and in a good gun battle The RR is at a loss at 55m or less and the combat rifle, unless it is the assault version is about equal. Rifles in DUST are now more balanced than they have ever been. To nerf any rifle you would have to nerf them all. I actually think that with the new RR and CR CCP should reverse the magazine nerf that the TACs got a couple months ago, to keep them competitive.
Jacques Cayton II Providence Guard Templis CALSF 363	Posted - 2013.12.28 09:13:00 - [18] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Yeah, because CR outputting 640 DPS at pinpoint accuracy is totally fine. Oh and the RR being a swizz army knife that can easily outdo the AR in CQC is fine too right? AR is outdone by all the rifles, it's a novelty weapon now. SCR is an all around monster for those that aren't trigger happy snot eating idiots. CR is an all around monster, and it's for EVERYONE! RR isn't as much of a monster, but it has extreme range and extreme accuracy. It's funny how you think a gun that is accurate as hell would suck at cqc. Stop whining the AR is better than both the RR and cr. Now assault versions are another story but both assault versions go through their mag very quickly. Oh btw the RR has to be held the entire time unless the AR user can't strafe enough said. Also yes I've used the RR and no I'm a hmg gunner who has ck.o assaults with proto rails, why because it's Caldari and I love everything Caldari, but I love my hmg more I've noticed in cqc the AR out matches the RR many times over either A you are using the AR outside it's effective range (most likely) or B you chose it because it was FoTM and didn't change to a gun that was more your playstyle. Boom science. We fight for the future of the State not our personal goals
BL4CKST4R WarRavens League of Infamy 1436	Posted - 2013.12.28 09:16:00 - [19] - Quote Magnus Amadeuss wrote: Rusty Shallows wrote: Ghost Kaisar wrote: Rusty Shallows wrote: The last Rifle nerfing was on TARs and even then it only to stop them from being better than regular ARs. While I have no doubt the Devs collectively lost their minds they didn't nerf-bat ScRs useless in 1.7. So they aren't likely to harm the newer rifles any time soon. No. TAR got nerfed because it was too viable in ALL situations. It could destroy you at close, mid, and long range. All it needed was a huge hipfire accuracy and ROF nerf and it would have been fine. Ammo nerf was way to far IMHO. Snip. How do you disagree and then end up saying the same thing? What part of completely outperforming the regular AR is so confusing? At any rate my deteriorating grammar tells me it is time to get some sleep. Good night. May all your attempts to get Nerfs fail. 1.7 is a great example of how nerfing damages this game in significant ways. I think a weapon rebalance is coming soon, there are just too many anomolies at this point. I mean just look at the rifles max DPS: AR around 650 CR around 1000 SCR around 1300 RR around 660 That is just the rifles, not to mention how no one uses the laser rifle, mass driver, plasma cannon, flaylock, and swarm launchers anymore. On top of that I see fewer and fewer snipers, pistols, nova knives, and shotgunners too. AR around 650 CR around 1000 SCR around 1300 RR around 660 Wrong numbers AR=750/60 x 35.7= 446.25 CR= 1200/60 x 33.6 = 672 (Burst) 1200/60 x 22= 440 (Assault) SCR= 705.88/60 x 37.6= 442.35 (Assault) 705.88/60 x 75= 881.25 (Normal if it could be fired constantly) RR= 461.54/60 x 57.75= 444.33 (Normal) 600/60 x 45.04= 450.04 (Assault) This might look balanced but the fact the AR does the same amount of DPS as every other weapon at a shorter range makes it UP, on the contrary the Assault rail rifle does more DPS THAN ANY OTHER WEAPON (Aside from the CR and the SCR) at a longer range makes it OP. Equal DPS =/= balanced weapons since the RR is a high burst damage weapon/high range, meaning its DPS should be lower.
TheAmazing FlyingPig Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 5142	Posted - 2013.12.28 09:21:00 - [20] - Quote The grass is always greener, yo. Never forget How to fix the Logi

Jacques Cayton II Providence Guard Templis CALSF 363	Posted - 2013.12.28 09:21:00 - [21] - Quote Magnus Amadeuss wrote: Rusty Shallows wrote: Ghost Kaisar wrote: Rusty Shallows wrote: The last Rifle nerfing was on TARs and even then it only to stop them from being better than regular ARs. While I have no doubt the Devs collectively lost their minds they didn't nerf-bat ScRs useless in 1.7. So they aren't likely to harm the newer rifles any time soon. No. TAR got nerfed because it was too viable in ALL situations. It could destroy you at close, mid, and long range. All it needed was a huge hipfire accuracy and ROF nerf and it would have been fine. Ammo nerf was way to far IMHO. Snip. How do you disagree and then end up saying the same thing? What part of completely outperforming the regular AR is so confusing? At any rate my deteriorating grammar tells me it is time to get some sleep. Good night. May all your attempts to get Nerfs fail. 1.7 is a great example of how nerfing damages this game in significant ways. I think a weapon rebalance is coming soon, there are just too many anomolies at this point. I mean just look at the rifles max DPS: AR around 650 CR around 1000 SCR around 1300 RR around 660 That is just the rifles, not to mention how no one uses the laser rifle, mass driver, plasma cannon, flaylock, and swarm launchers anymore. On top of that I see fewer and fewer snipers, pistols, nova knives, and shotgunners too. Your high. I see all of those in the city complexes all the time. Hmgs vs shotgun scouts is a dangerous mix now I have to watch my back. Same goes with the nova knifers. Mass drivers are used quite often in specific times which it should after all it can kill friendlies and yourself. Laser rifle yeah its not used, but the other weapons are being used in cqc which is where they should be used get in a fat suit you'll see them running then you have to decide to chase because hey look there around that corner it's a scout with a shottys ohhhhhhhh nooooo. We fight for the future of the State not our personal goals
Magnus Amadeuss Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 293	Posted - 2013.12.28 09:44:00 - [22] - Quote BL4CKST4R wrote: Magnus Amadeuss wrote: Rusty Shallows wrote: Ghost Kaisar wrote: Rusty Shallows wrote: The last Rifle nerfing was on TARs and even then it only to stop them from being better than regular ARs. While I have no doubt the Devs collectively lost their minds they didn't nerf-bat ScRs useless in 1.7. So they aren't likely to harm the newer rifles any time soon. No. TAR got nerfed because it was too viable in ALL situations. It could destroy you at close, mid, and long range. All it needed was a huge hipfire accuracy and ROF nerf and it would have been fine. Ammo nerf was way to far IMHO. Snip. How do you disagree and then end up saying the same thing? What part of completely outperforming the regular AR is so confusing? At any rate my deteriorating grammar tells me it is time to get some sleep. Good night. May all your attempts to get Nerfs fail. 1.7 is a great example of how nerfing damages this game in significant ways. I think a weapon rebalance is coming soon, there are just too many anomolies at this point. I mean just look at the rifles max DPS: AR around 650 CR around 1000 SCR around 1300 RR around 660 That is just the rifles, not to mention how no one uses the laser rifle, mass driver, plasma cannon, flaylock, and swarm launchers anymore. On top of that I see fewer and fewer snipers, pistols, nova knives, and shotgunners too. AR around 650 CR around 1000 SCR around 1300 RR around 660 Wrong numbers AR=750/60 x 35.7= 446.25 CR= 1200/60 x 33.6 = 672 (Burst) 1200/60 x 22= 440 (Assault) SCR= 705.88/60 x 37.6= 442.35 (Assault) 705.88/60 x 75= 881.25 (Normal if it could be fired constantly) RR= 461.54/60 x 57.75= 444.33 (Normal) 600/60 x 45.04= 450.04 (Assault) This might look balanced but the fact the AR does the same amount of DPS as every other weapon at a shorter range makes it UP, on the contrary the Assault rail rifle does more DPS THAN ANY OTHER WEAPON (Aside from the CR and the SCR) at a longer range makes it OP. Equal DPS =/= balanced weapons since the RR is a high burst damage weapon/high range, meaning its DPS should be lower. Max DPS, that meant that I used the proto weapons, with proficiency 5, and 3 complex damage mods. I see you used the advanced damage values ( a few of which are a little off) so it would be like this: GEK AR 35.7 x 1.15 (proficiency 5) x 1.24 (three cmplx dmg mods) x 750/60 = 636.3525 DuvolleAR 37.4 x 1.15 x 1.24 x 750/60 = 660 DPS of course the figures I posted were from memory so they might be a tiny bit off. Basically just multiply the base damage that you have by (all have the 1.15 from prof 5 built in): 1.462 for 3 dmg mods 1.365 for 2 dmg mods 1.265 for 1 dmg mod While there is no better place to be wealthy than the Gallente Federation, there is no hell worse for the poor either.
Magnus Amadeuss Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 293	Posted - 2013.12.28 09:46:00 - [23] - Quote Jacques Cayton II wrote: Magnus Amadeuss wrote: Rusty Shallows wrote: Ghost Kaisar wrote: Rusty Shallows wrote: The last Rifle nerfing was on TARs and even then it only to stop them from being better than regular ARs. While I have no doubt the Devs collectively lost their minds they didn't nerf-bat ScRs useless in 1.7. So they aren't likely to harm the newer rifles any time soon. No. TAR got nerfed because it was too viable in ALL situations. It could destroy you at close, mid, and long range. All it needed was a huge hipfire accuracy and ROF nerf and it would have been fine. Ammo nerf was way to far IMHO. Snip. How do you disagree and then end up saying the same thing? What part of completely outperforming the regular AR is so confusing? At any rate my deteriorating grammar tells me it is time to get some sleep. Good night. May all your attempts to get Nerfs fail. 1.7 is a great example of how nerfing damages this game in significant ways. I think a weapon rebalance is coming soon, there are just too many anomolies at this point. I mean just look at the rifles max DPS: AR around 650 CR around 1000 SCR around 1300 RR around 660 That is just the rifles, not to mention how no one uses the laser rifle, mass driver, plasma cannon, flaylock, and swarm launchers anymore. On top of that I see fewer and fewer snipers, pistols, nova knives, and shotgunners too. Your high. I see all of those in the city complexes all the time. Hmgs vs shotgun scouts is a dangerous mix now I have to watch my back. Same goes with the nova knifers. Mass drivers are used quite often in specific times which it should after all it can kill friendlies and yourself. Laser rifle yeah its not used, but the other weapons are being used in cqc which is where they should be used get in a fat suit you'll see them running then you have to decide to chase because hey look there around that corner it's a scout with a shottys ohhhhhhhh nooooo. It is true that I do see much more of the HMG now, but not the other ones. I guess you must play a lot of ambush. In FW(MUCH more competitive) I nearly never see weapons that aren't rifles/hmgs. While there is no better place to be wealthy than the Gallente Federation, there is no hell worse for the poor either.
Ghost Kaisar Titans of Phoenix 1383	Posted - 2013.12.28 09:48:00 - [24] - Quote Rusty Shallows wrote: Ghost Kaisar wrote: Rusty Shallows wrote: The last Rifle nerfing was on TARs and even then it only to stop them from being better than regular ARs. While I have no doubt the Devs collectively lost their minds they didn't nerf-bat ScRs useless in 1.7. So they aren't likely to harm the newer rifles any time soon. No. TAR got nerfed because it was too viable in ALL situations. It could destroy you at close, mid, and long range. All it needed was a huge hipfire accuracy and ROF nerf and it would have been fine. Ammo nerf was way to far IMHO. Snip. How do you disagree and then end up saying the same thing? What part of completely outperforming the regular AR is so confusing? At any rate my deteriorating grammar tells me it is time to get some sleep. Good night. May all your attempts to get Nerfs fail. 1.7 is a great example of how nerfing damages this game in significant ways. The problem with it was it's viability at all ranges. It did make using the AR pointless, as the TAR could do everything that the AR could, and more. While you are correct that it was better than the AR, I was trying to fine tune the point. The nerf made it a long range weapon by severely reducing it's viability in CQC. THAT is the point I wanted to make. So. Yeah. We did end up saying the same thing. I just wanted to emphasize my point. Have a +1. I didn't realize what I was doing there. It's also really late where I'm at too. 3:46 where I'm at. I really need to get to sleep...... Minmatar Faction Warfare: Let's get Organized
Korvin Lomont United Pwnage Service RISE of LEGION 403	Posted - 2013.12.28 09:58:00 - [25] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: DeadlyAztec11 wrote: Really hoping they don't. Probably will Given they kill me no faster than a standard AR I doubt it. They only seem OP because of the sheer NUMBER of people using them who are bored with all AR, all the time. But getting whacked with an advanced RR seems about the same as getting ganked with a GEK, same with the CR, so I don't see much nerfage happening. the enthusiasm for the new weapons is because they're new. The RR doesn't outshoot the AR in CQC, and the burst takes a bit of getting used to. The only problem I have with them (and I have both on proto) they are killing niches. So why do both have close the dps of an AR while providing a greater range? The charge is hardly a balancing factor and the ACR has only somewhat 6 dps less then the GEK. The thing is all rifles deliver nearly the same dps they only differ in Range (andin case of the CR in damage per clip) this feels wrong to me....
CrotchGrab 360 1197	Posted - 2013.12.28 10:37:00 - [26] - Quote Combat rifle seems to kill me faster than ARs, maybe it fires too fast or you can burst fire too fast, I don't really know. The Rail Rifle is ridiculous, it's range is absurd, how it can chew me up and deal 800 damage at 80m in a heartbeat I will never know.
Syeven Reed RETR0 PR0 GAMERS INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS 232	Posted - 2013.12.28 10:46:00 - [27] - Quote Lurchasaurus wrote: everyone is using them so its the only thing in the killfeed. butthurt goes to what kills you most or what makes you most jealous. you dont win this game by shooting a guy with your gun, you win by demanding his gun shoot marshmallows Well said! Gÿé Syeven 514
Broonfondle Majikthies Seykal Expeditionary Group Minmatar Republic 632	Posted - 2013.12.28 10:57:00 - [28] - Quote Those who want a nurf obviously don't understand the shortfalls of the weapons yet. The RR user can't let go of the trigger once they start firing due to spool time and has a small clip. dodge in and out of cover till he needs to reload and blow their heads off. The CR [standard] is agonisingly bad at CQC so once you close the distance any rifle of lower meta will just totally outclass it. The Assault CR is immensely accurate and fast shooting - both terrible things to have in a close fire fight as you end up emptying half the clip into the wall opposite you rather than the dodging enemy. Hopefully CCP understands this is and will ignore the wails of the QQ'ers who obviously are stuck in thier ruts and refuse to change up their game strategy just cus something new has entered the game. All I can say is god help them when my Min ADS comes in 'Holy crap! it came out of nowhere and blasted us to smithereens then buggered off before we could get our AV out. NURF IT' - ignoring of course that it will have the structural integrity of a wet paper bag if AV does hit it "...where Bylothgar the Ill-postured was made King of the People With No Name But Decent Footwear"
Cody Sietz Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 1838	Posted - 2013.12.28 11:04:00 - [29] - Quote The ScR is too powerful in CQC. The Six Kin and boundless seem to be really strong. The rail rifle is ok, maybe increase the charge up time by .10-25 for a total of .35-50 The AR is not bad but it gets out performed by the other assault versions of the above weapons. "I do agree with you there though. shudders" -Arkena Wyrnspire
Sir Petersen Valhalla Nord 443	Posted - 2013.12.28 11:38:00 - [30] - Quote Of course they will get nerfed. I-¦m on level 1 with my RR and it-¦s awesome. Way more powerful than any other light weapon out there. The name of this game is balance and RR & CR are not fitting that category at the moment.



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