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Magnus Amadeuss
Tal-Romon Legion
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.12.28 08:48:00 -
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Rusty Shallows wrote:Ghost Kaisar wrote:Rusty Shallows wrote:The last Rifle nerfing was on TARs and even then it only to stop them from being better than regular ARs. While I have no doubt the Devs collectively lost their minds they didn't nerf-bat ScRs useless in 1.7. So they aren't likely to harm the newer rifles any time soon. No. TAR got nerfed because it was too viable in ALL situations. It could destroy you at close, mid, and long range. All it needed was a huge hipfire accuracy and ROF nerf and it would have been fine. Ammo nerf was way to far IMHO. Snip. How do you disagree and then end up saying the same thing? What part of completely outperforming the regular AR is so confusing? At any rate my deteriorating grammar tells me it is time to get some sleep. Good night. May all your attempts to get Nerfs fail. 1.7 is a great example of how nerfing damages this game in significant ways.
I think a weapon rebalance is coming soon, there is just too many anomolies at this point. I mean just look at the rifles max DPS:
AR around 650
CR around 1000
SCR around 1300
RR around 660
That is just the rifles, not to mention how no one uses the laser rifle, mass driver, plasma cannon, flaylock, and swarm launchers anymore. On top of that I see fewer and fewer snipers, pistols, nova knives, and shotgunners too.
While there is no better place to be wealthy than the Gallente Federation, there is no hell worse for the poor either.
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Magnus Amadeuss
Tal-Romon Legion
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.12.28 09:44:00 -
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BL4CKST4R wrote:Magnus Amadeuss wrote:Rusty Shallows wrote:Ghost Kaisar wrote:Rusty Shallows wrote:The last Rifle nerfing was on TARs and even then it only to stop them from being better than regular ARs. While I have no doubt the Devs collectively lost their minds they didn't nerf-bat ScRs useless in 1.7. So they aren't likely to harm the newer rifles any time soon. No. TAR got nerfed because it was too viable in ALL situations. It could destroy you at close, mid, and long range. All it needed was a huge hipfire accuracy and ROF nerf and it would have been fine. Ammo nerf was way to far IMHO. Snip. How do you disagree and then end up saying the same thing? What part of completely outperforming the regular AR is so confusing? At any rate my deteriorating grammar tells me it is time to get some sleep. Good night. May all your attempts to get Nerfs fail. 1.7 is a great example of how nerfing damages this game in significant ways. I think a weapon rebalance is coming soon, there are just too many anomolies at this point. I mean just look at the rifles max DPS: AR around 650 CR around 1000 SCR around 1300 RR around 660 That is just the rifles, not to mention how no one uses the laser rifle, mass driver, plasma cannon, flaylock, and swarm launchers anymore. On top of that I see fewer and fewer snipers, pistols, nova knives, and shotgunners too. AR around 650 CR around 1000 SCR around 1300 RR around 660 Wrong numbers AR=750/60 x 35.7= 446.25 CR= 1200/60 x 33.6 = 672 (Burst) 1200/60 x 22= 440 (Assault) SCR= 705.88/60 x 37.6= 442.35 (Assault) 705.88/60 x 75= 881.25 (Normal if it could be fired constantly) RR= 461.54/60 x 57.75= 444.33 (Normal) 600/60 x 45.04= 450.04 (Assault) This might look balanced but the fact the AR does the same amount of DPS as every other weapon at a shorter range makes it UP, on the contrary the Assault rail rifle does more DPS THAN ANY OTHER WEAPON (Aside from the CR and the SCR) at a longer range makes it OP. Equal DPS =/= balanced weapons since the RR is a high burst damage weapon/high range, meaning its DPS should be lower.
Max DPS, that meant that I used the proto weapons, with proficiency 5, and 3 complex damage mods.
I see you used the advanced damage values ( a few of which are a little off)
so it would be like this:
GEK AR 35.7 x 1.15 (proficiency 5) x 1.24 (three cmplx dmg mods) x 750/60 = 636.3525
DuvolleAR 37.4 x 1.15 x 1.24 x 750/60 = 660 DPS
of course the figures I posted were from memory so they might be a tiny bit off.
Basically just multiply the base damage that you have by (all have the 1.15 from prof 5 built in):
1.462 for 3 dmg mods
1.365 for 2 dmg mods
1.265 for 1 dmg mod
While there is no better place to be wealthy than the Gallente Federation, there is no hell worse for the poor either.
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Magnus Amadeuss
Tal-Romon Legion
Amarr Empire
293
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Posted - 2013.12.28 09:46:00 -
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Jacques Cayton II wrote:Magnus Amadeuss wrote:Rusty Shallows wrote:Ghost Kaisar wrote:Rusty Shallows wrote:The last Rifle nerfing was on TARs and even then it only to stop them from being better than regular ARs. While I have no doubt the Devs collectively lost their minds they didn't nerf-bat ScRs useless in 1.7. So they aren't likely to harm the newer rifles any time soon. No. TAR got nerfed because it was too viable in ALL situations. It could destroy you at close, mid, and long range. All it needed was a huge hipfire accuracy and ROF nerf and it would have been fine. Ammo nerf was way to far IMHO. Snip. How do you disagree and then end up saying the same thing? What part of completely outperforming the regular AR is so confusing? At any rate my deteriorating grammar tells me it is time to get some sleep. Good night. May all your attempts to get Nerfs fail. 1.7 is a great example of how nerfing damages this game in significant ways. I think a weapon rebalance is coming soon, there are just too many anomolies at this point. I mean just look at the rifles max DPS: AR around 650 CR around 1000 SCR around 1300 RR around 660 That is just the rifles, not to mention how no one uses the laser rifle, mass driver, plasma cannon, flaylock, and swarm launchers anymore. On top of that I see fewer and fewer snipers, pistols, nova knives, and shotgunners too. Your high. I see all of those in the city complexes all the time. Hmgs vs shotgun scouts is a dangerous mix now I have to watch my back. Same goes with the nova knifers. Mass drivers are used quite often in specific times which it should after all it can kill friendlies and yourself. Laser rifle yeah its not used, but the other weapons are being used in cqc which is where they should be used get in a fat suit you'll see them running then you have to decide to chase because hey look there around that corner it's a scout with a shottys ohhhhhhhh nooooo.
It is true that I do see much more of the HMG now, but not the other ones.
I guess you must play a lot of ambush. In FW(MUCH more competitive) I nearly never see weapons that aren't rifles/hmgs.
While there is no better place to be wealthy than the Gallente Federation, there is no hell worse for the poor either.
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