Really hoping they don't. Probably will

The last Rifle nerfing was on TARs and even then it only to stop them from being better than regular ARs. While I have no doubt the Devs collectively lost their minds they didn't nerf-bat ScRs useless in 1.7. So they aren't likely to harm the newer rifles any time soon.

Yeah, because CR outputting 640 DPS at pinpoint accuracy is totally fine.

Oh and the RR being a swizz army knife that can easily outdo the AR in CQC is fine too right?

AR is outdone by all the rifles, it's a novelty weapon now.
SCR is an all around monster for those that aren't trigger happy snot eating idiots.
CR is an all around monster, and it's for EVERYONE!
RR isn't as much of a monster, but it has extreme range and extreme accuracy.

The Scrambler rifle is fine where it is, except maybe make a charged shot slowly eat your soul away.

No. TAR got nerfed because it was too viable in ALL situations. It could destroy you at close, mid, and long range. All it needed was a huge hipfire accuracy and ROF nerf and it would have been fine. Ammo nerf was way to far IMHO.

Snip.

How do you disagree and then end up saying the same thing? What part of completely outperforming the regular AR is so confusing?

At any rate my deteriorating grammar tells me it is time to get some sleep. Good night. May all your attempts to get Nerfs fail. 1.7 is a great example of how nerfing damages this game in significant ways.

Yeah, because CR outputting 640 DPS at pinpoint accuracy is totally fine.

Oh and the RR being a swizz army knife that can easily outdo the AR in CQC is fine too right?

AR is outdone by all the rifles, it's a novelty weapon now.
SCR is an all around monster for those that aren't trigger happy snot eating idiots.
CR is an all around monster, and it's for EVERYONE!
RR isn't as much of a monster, but it has extreme range and extreme accuracy.

I think a weapon rebalance is coming soon, there are just too many anomolies at this point. I mean just look at the rifles max DPS:

AR around 650
CR around 1000
SCR around 1300
RR around 660

That is just the rifles, not to mention how no one uses the laser rifle, mass driver, plasma cannon, flaylock, and swarm launchers anymore. On top of that I see fewer and fewer snipers, pistols, nova knives, and shotgunners too.

I think a weapon rebalance is coming soon, there are just too many anomolies at this point. I mean just look at the rifles max DPS:

AR around 650
CR around 1000
SCR around 1300
RR around 660

That is just the rifles, not to mention how no one uses the laser rifle, mass driver, plasma cannon, flaylock, and swarm launchers anymore. On top of that I see fewer and fewer snipers, pistols, nova knives, and shotgunners too.

AR around 650
CR around 1000
SCR around 1300
RR around 660

Wrong numbers

AR=750/60 x 35.7= 446.25
CR= 1200/60 x 33.6 = 672 (Burst) 1200/60 x 22= 440 (Assault)
SCR= 705.88/60 x 37.6= 442.35 (Assault) 705.88/60 x 75= 881.25 (Normal if it could be fired constantly)
RR= 461.54/60 x 57.75= 444.33 (Normal) 600/60 x 45.04= 450.04 (Assault)

This might look balanced but the fact the AR does the same amount of DPS as every other weapon at a shorter range makes it UP, on the contrary the Assault rail rifle does more DPS THAN ANY OTHER WEAPON (Aside from the CR and the SCR) at a longer range makes it OP. Equal DPS =/= balanced weapons since the RR is a high burst damage weapon/high range, meaning its DPS should be lower.

Your high. I see all of those in the city complexes all the time. Hmgs vs shotgun scouts is a dangerous mix now I have to watch my back. Same goes with the nova knifers. Mass drivers are used quite often in specific times which it should after all it can kill friendlies and yourself. Laser rifle yeah its not used, but the other weapons are being used in cqc which is where they should be used get in a fat suit you'll see them running then you have to decide to chase because hey look there around that corner it's a scout with a shottys ohhhhhhhh nooooo.

How do you disagree and then end up saying the same thing? What part of completely outperforming the regular AR is so confusing?

At any rate my deteriorating grammar tells me it is time to get some sleep. Good night. May all your attempts to get Nerfs fail. 1.7 is a great example of how nerfing damages this game in significant ways.

Given they kill me no faster than a standard AR I doubt it.

They only seem OP because of the sheer NUMBER of people using them who are bored with all AR, all the time.

But getting whacked with an advanced RR seems about the same as getting ganked with a GEK, same with the CR, so I don't see much nerfage happening.

the enthusiasm for the new weapons is because they're new. The RR doesn't outshoot the AR in CQC, and the burst takes a bit of getting used to.

everyone is using them so its the only thing in the killfeed. butthurt goes to what kills you most or what makes you most jealous.

you dont win this game by shooting a guy with your gun, you win by demanding his gun shoot marshmallows

It's funny how you think a gun that is accurate as hell would suck at cqc. Stop whining the AR is better than both the RR and cr. Now assault versions are another story but both assault versions go through their mag very quickly. Oh btw the RR has to be held the entire time unless the AR user can't strafe enough said. Also yes I've used the RR and no I'm a hmg gunner who has ck.o assaults with proto rails, why because it's Caldari and I love everything Caldari, but I love my hmg more I've noticed in cqc the AR out matches the RR many times over either A you are using the AR outside it's effective range (most likely) or B you chose it because it was FoTM and didn't change to a gun that was more your playstyle. Boom science.

Combat rifle seems to kill me faster than ARs, maybe it fires too fast or you can burst fire too fast, I don't really know.

The Rail Rifle is ridiculous, it's range is absurd, how it can chew me up and deal 800 damage at 80m in a heartbeat I
will never know.

The CR [standard] is agonisingly bad at CQC so once you close the distance any rifle of lower meta will just totally outclass it.
The Assault CR is immensely accurate and fast shooting - both terrible things to have in a close fire fight as you end up emptying half the clip into the wall opposite you rather than the dodging enemy.

Really hoping they don't. Probably will

Can't we just buff the AR slightly at CQC instead of nerfing every other rifle?

Every new weapon get's a "reveiw" and is tweaked,we've seen it with the flaylock and weapons that no one even cared for,there hasent been a weapon in the game that CCP hasn't touched or left competely alone and if it hasnt is due for some "adjustments"

All the rifles are out of whack to be honest. For example the Burst and Breach variants of the AR are utter crap. The rail rifle can outmatch any weapon any time of the day, while the AR has become another Dust 514 novelty weapon.

The AR should be king at CQC period, the only weapon that should really go toe to toe with it is the Assault combat rifle and obviously the shotgun, any other weapon trying to go CQC should really have a skilled user behind it. The Breach and Burst Assault rifle should have their range buffed and their DPS buffed, the Assault rifle needs a DPS buff.

The Combat rifle is fine where it is.

The Scrambler rifle is fine where it is, except maybe make a charged shot slowly eat your soul away.

The Rail rifle (both versions) needs a range nerf so it is closer to the scrambler rifle but below the laser rifle. It also needs higher recoil or a longer spool time, something to stop it from being such a swiss army knife. It's just to good at everything,both long range and short range combat, and with its long range its obvious why this gun is becoming more and more common.

The Laser rifle needs a DPS buff and something to set it as the king of Long range engagements, and the dunce of short range combat.


Assault rifle = High DPS/Short range/Low burst damage
Combat rifle= High DPS/ Short-Mid range/Low burst damage
Scrambler rifle= Mid DPS/ Mid-Long range/Mid burst damage (High charged)
Rail rifle= Low DPS/Long range/High burst damage
Laser rifle= High DPS/Long range/Low burst damage/Powerful sustained damage (Terrible at CQC since damage must be sustained)

The 4 rifles are actually balanced, just saying... no need to nerf anything.

AR is still extremely easy to use and does full damage up to 48m.

Scrambler Rifle is LOL powerful with insane DPS and 80m range.

I don't see any reason to nerf the Rail or the Combat rifle

Combat Rifle has higher DPS (in practice) than the Scrambler Rifle, and is the easiest Light Weapon to fit IN THE GAME. The Rail Rifle has higher DPS and Longer range than the AR. There are your reasons.

If they nerf them, the game will be broken, thats the only thing keeping people from leaving.

EDIT: oh man! imagine if ARs come back again

"Hey my weapons are op ! Can we buff the ENTIRE GAME instead of just nerfing 4 weapons ? (Rifles) "
Dude seriously.
With your simple quote you just prove than these weapons are OP.
BUT i think the others rifle are Op too or not working as intended.
SOOOOOO
Nerf the 4 Rifles (and SMG) BAM balanced Game. (Infantry)

The actual problem is that people defend their rifle by saying "Hey it's not op against this other rifle ! it's balanced"
WRONG.
These 4 rifles are ALL OP.
Yes they are balanced each others.
But they ****** up the whole game with this ridiculous TTK and make the game a bad copy of COD.
It even kill the "Fitting" of the game which is now just "DAMAAAAAGER".
These 4 rifles need Balance not just NEEERF or "we let this destroy the game because i make kill with it *Douchebag*"
It needs to be balanced.


Scrambler Rifle : Nerf the RoF (15% less RoF) and lower the Mag of the semi-auto Version to 25 => But give a small bonus to Headshot (5/10% more damage than now in Headshot) it will reward players that takes their time to make perfect charge shots and punish the "spam" players that hit their shoot button as fast as possible.
No need for other nerf this weapon already takes 11PG to fit STD and 20 at PRO that's a HEAVY cost when you fit your dropsuit.
As intended.
The Assault version is pretty balanced BUT it should heat up quickly and make it lose his mag when it Heat up. (Only the Assault Version)

Assault Rifle : Nerf the Effective Range to make it worse at range it's supposed to be the less effective rifle at mid/long range.
And Nerf the optimal range..
But give more RoF (50 RPM)
And Better accuracy when not aiming (Sorry for my bad english).
You think that's a buff ? Not really an Worse range make a weapon really weaker.
BAM awesome CQC rifle but not OP at range.
As intended.
I don't think the others version of the Assault rifle should exist they should be deleted (With SP and ISK refund)


Combat Rifle : Supposed to be an Mid range Weapon it's more an "I see you so you're dead BAM One shot bitchies"
First make the time between each burst higher. (At least Twice)
But make the burst shot 3 more bullet.
Then add more Recoil at the end of each burst.
It have 10% more damage on armor and 5% less on Shield Where is the logic here ????
It's more powerful than all other weapon by that fact......
Bring 0% on armor and 0% on shield. No advantage no drawbacks : Balanced.
It's minmatarr technology it's explain the low PG/CPU fitting.
But it should also cost less ISK : 25% less than now making it a cheap weapon easy to fit and average against everything.
Polyvalent Weapon.
As intended.
The Armor/Shield Balance already affect the Assault version just add some bigger Recoil.


Rail Rifle : Supposed to be an long range weapon it actually outclass the other rifle (So all the weapon) at mid range.
Higher the charge up time before start shooting. (0.5sec)
Make the bullets had trace like the sniper rifle : We could know from where we have been shot.
Higher the Recoil of the assault Version.
Higher the Damage of 1 for all version.










Here are your balanced weapons.