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Ghosts Chance wrote:

straya fox wrote:

Ghosts Chance wrote:

Crimson Cerberes wrote:

Ghosts Chance wrote:

your doing it wrong

Thats right, only tanks are allowed to work without any support or teamwork at all. Infantry AV should require entire squads to take out decent tankers... you know because a decent tanker takes all of 10 mil sp or so.....

if your not using teamwork in a tank your ALSO doing it wrong.

i solo tankers who are playing solo, tankers who use teamwork are a tougher nut to crack.

in my tank i always have squaddies as well, who i rely on for intel and direction they warn me of danger, they call out targets, they request support.

please do not assume things, not only that but im a tanker whos in favor of an AV buff, i know wierd right?

as my main who is dedicated infantry i use explosives, remotes, prox traps, sneaky tricks, plasma cannons, loads of things to kill tanks. its not what you use but how you use it that matters, so many infantry spam crap at my tank when my hardeners are running... they get a railgun to the face.

While stacking hardeners and rotating use, when exactly are your hardeners off? I have seen little evidence of CCP's so called windows of opportunity.

a tank with rotating hardeners has TERRIBLE hp, you can aplha the thing with its hardeners on if it doesnt have at least 1 extender. and if it DOES have 1 extender then it cant perma run hardeners.

not only that but alot of tankers activate hardeners in responce to damage, not preemptivly against it, meaning if you co-ordinate for extreme aplha damage they go POP.

if your not seeing the windows of oportunity then get in a militia tank and explore it form the inside out, it doesnt take long to start figuring out their weeknesses when your the one behind the wheel.

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Ghosts Chance Inf4m0us 603	Posted - 2013.12.28 01:36:00 - [31] - Quote Crimson Cerberes wrote: Ghosts Chance wrote: your doing it wrong Thats right, only tanks are allowed to work without any support or teamwork at all. Infantry AV should require entire squads to take out decent tankers... you know because a decent tanker takes all of 10 mil sp or so..... if your not using teamwork in a tank your ALSO doing it wrong. i solo tankers who are playing solo, tankers who use teamwork are a tougher nut to crack. in my tank i always have squaddies as well, who i rely on for intel and direction they warn me of danger, they call out targets, they request support. please do not assume things, not only that but im a tanker whos in favor of an AV buff, i know wierd right? as my main who is dedicated infantry i use explosives, remotes, prox traps, sneaky tricks, plasma cannons, loads of things to kill tanks. its not what you use but how you use it that matters, so many infantry spam crap at my tank when my hardeners are running... they get a railgun to the face.
Switchback Dawn SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 51	Posted - 2013.12.28 01:51:00 - [32] - Quote Why not gain war points for damaging enemy vehciles? For example, when you fire a round from your swarm launcher or forge gun and the rounds you fired actually hit the enemy tank or Dropship you will get war points for damaging their shields and armour. Just a thought when I'm playing battlefield 4 Seriously.... a¦á_a¦á
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 2657	Posted - 2013.12.28 01:53:00 - [33] - Quote True Adamance wrote: You soloed my Rail Tank the other day....granted I was out of actives and within 40m of you hving just killed a Maddy...... point is one tank is not OP, two tanks are not OP, 3 tanks are not OP I soloed 3 today. 4 or more is pushing it, that's quite difficult. I do however like the new iteration of Dust seeing tanks and dropships on the map is lovely. Bloody nice change from a former infantry only game. More often than not I don't even drive around looking to kill infantry, I am too busy with your teams tanks. I like it that way. Why don't you like it that you have to get into a tank to have an easier time taking out another tank? I wouldn't say reduce the team-quota, as that would be limiting someone's play-style. People seem to like tanks a lot, and I would hate to see things to where only 3 people can enjoy them. This game was far from infantry only pre 1.7. It's just that only the best of tankers could survive the best of AVers. Not really sure what the problem with that was. (Well other than the SP sinks) But what happens when there are no tankers on the field? Stomping with no theoretical resistance that's what. Why don't I like it? Because a person can also hop into a tank and have an easier time taking out infantry. Which is why we need adjustments to the Large Blaster Turret. (Blaster Installations are fine due to being in static locations around the map) But dat Blaster Range doe. We finally deployed in the MinFW Match! \o/
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 2657	Posted - 2013.12.28 01:54:00 - [34] - Quote Switchback Dawn wrote: Why not gain war points for damaging enemy vehciles? For example, when you fire a round from your swarm launcher or forge gun and the rounds you fired actually hit the enemy tank or Dropship you will get war points for damaging their shields and armour. Just a thought when I'm playing battlefield 4 CCP has already confirmed that they will be adding this in 1.8 if they are unable to hotfix it in. We finally deployed in the MinFW Match! \o/
straya fox Sad Panda Solutions 140	Posted - 2013.12.28 01:55:00 - [35] - Quote Ghosts Chance wrote: Crimson Cerberes wrote: Ghosts Chance wrote: your doing it wrong Thats right, only tanks are allowed to work without any support or teamwork at all. Infantry AV should require entire squads to take out decent tankers... you know because a decent tanker takes all of 10 mil sp or so..... if your not using teamwork in a tank your ALSO doing it wrong. i solo tankers who are playing solo, tankers who use teamwork are a tougher nut to crack. in my tank i always have squaddies as well, who i rely on for intel and direction they warn me of danger, they call out targets, they request support. please do not assume things, not only that but im a tanker whos in favor of an AV buff, i know wierd right? as my main who is dedicated infantry i use explosives, remotes, prox traps, sneaky tricks, plasma cannons, loads of things to kill tanks. its not what you use but how you use it that matters, so many infantry spam crap at my tank when my hardeners are running... they get a railgun to the face. While stacking hardeners and rotating use, when exactly are your hardeners off? I have seen little evidence of CCP's so called windows of opportunity.
Ghosts Chance Inf4m0us 603	Posted - 2013.12.28 02:00:00 - [36] - Quote straya fox wrote: Ghosts Chance wrote: Crimson Cerberes wrote: Ghosts Chance wrote: your doing it wrong Thats right, only tanks are allowed to work without any support or teamwork at all. Infantry AV should require entire squads to take out decent tankers... you know because a decent tanker takes all of 10 mil sp or so..... if your not using teamwork in a tank your ALSO doing it wrong. i solo tankers who are playing solo, tankers who use teamwork are a tougher nut to crack. in my tank i always have squaddies as well, who i rely on for intel and direction they warn me of danger, they call out targets, they request support. please do not assume things, not only that but im a tanker whos in favor of an AV buff, i know wierd right? as my main who is dedicated infantry i use explosives, remotes, prox traps, sneaky tricks, plasma cannons, loads of things to kill tanks. its not what you use but how you use it that matters, so many infantry spam crap at my tank when my hardeners are running... they get a railgun to the face. While stacking hardeners and rotating use, when exactly are your hardeners off? I have seen little evidence of CCP's so called windows of opportunity. a tank with rotating hardeners has TERRIBLE hp, you can aplha the thing with its hardeners on if it doesnt have at least 1 extender. and if it DOES have 1 extender then it cant perma run hardeners. not only that but alot of tankers activate hardeners in responce to damage, not preemptivly against it, meaning if you co-ordinate for extreme aplha damage they go POP. if your not seeing the windows of oportunity then get in a militia tank and explore it form the inside out, it doesnt take long to start figuring out their weeknesses when your the one behind the wheel.
ratamaq doc Edge Regiment 308	Posted - 2013.12.28 02:47:00 - [37] - Quote Ghosts Chance wrote: straya fox wrote: Ghosts Chance wrote: Crimson Cerberes wrote: Ghosts Chance wrote: your doing it wrong Thats right, only tanks are allowed to work without any support or teamwork at all. Infantry AV should require entire squads to take out decent tankers... you know because a decent tanker takes all of 10 mil sp or so..... if your not using teamwork in a tank your ALSO doing it wrong. i solo tankers who are playing solo, tankers who use teamwork are a tougher nut to crack. in my tank i always have squaddies as well, who i rely on for intel and direction they warn me of danger, they call out targets, they request support. please do not assume things, not only that but im a tanker whos in favor of an AV buff, i know wierd right? as my main who is dedicated infantry i use explosives, remotes, prox traps, sneaky tricks, plasma cannons, loads of things to kill tanks. its not what you use but how you use it that matters, so many infantry spam crap at my tank when my hardeners are running... they get a railgun to the face. While stacking hardeners and rotating use, when exactly are your hardeners off? I have seen little evidence of CCP's so called windows of opportunity. a tank with rotating hardeners has TERRIBLE hp, you can aplha the thing with its hardeners on if it doesnt have at least 1 extender. and if it DOES have 1 extender then it cant perma run hardeners. not only that but alot of tankers activate hardeners in responce to damage, not preemptivly against it, meaning if you co-ordinate for extreme aplha damage they go POP. if your not seeing the windows of oportunity then get in a militia tank and explore it form the inside out, it doesnt take long to start figuring out their weeknesses when your the one behind the wheel. Dispite your general dickish attitude, (or is it frustration?) you make a good point here. Best way to learn how to defeat an enemy is to walk in his shoes. Hardeners are an issue though, more with shield tanks. They were an issue last build when trying to solo a tank, it was just rare to see a tanker smart enough to use them. I was getting good towards the end at gagging a tanks HP to figure out how and when to strike. I haven't given up on this build yet. I also understand your frustration of knowing something can be done yet no one listens. I feel the same way when ever the topic of scanners vs dampeners come up, and even the best of players I know, including one of our CPM, defend their EHP like it's their sisters virginity. YouTube 30D Recruiting
Flix Keptick Red Star. EoN. 3178	Posted - 2013.12.28 02:55:00 - [38] - Quote I love running around in a dragonfly scout suit, adv scrambler, scanner, armor plates and smg. Lack of content makes stuff broken... Tank driver // specialized tank destroyer
Medic 1879 Forsaken Immortals Top Men. 1550	Posted - 2013.12.28 02:55:00 - [39] - Quote RE's on its weak points are effective, and fun. FW standings - Gal 5, Min 3, Ama 0, Cal 0, hatred of Scotty over 9000
Ghosts Chance Inf4m0us 606	Posted - 2013.12.28 03:08:00 - [40] - Quote ratamaq doc wrote: Dispite your general dickish attitude, (or is it frustration?) you make a good point here. Best way to learn how to defeat an enemy is to walk in his shoes. Hardeners are an issue though, more with shield tanks. They were an issue last build when trying to solo a tank, it was just rare to see a tanker smart enough to use them. I was getting good towards the end at gaging a tanks HP to figure out how and when to strike. I haven't given up on this build yet. I also understand your frustration of knowing something can be done yet no one listens. I feel the same way when ever the topic of scanners vs dampeners come up, and even the best of players I know, including one of our CPM, defend their EHP like it's their sisters virginity. its mostly frustration. i dont think ti does anyone any good to ***** and moan about something being hard, i dont like being told that i cant do things either... so i just find new and interesting ways to acomplish my goals, in this case it was killing and avoiding tanks. i RARELY get killed by a tank... in fact i kill tanks more then they kill me while running infantry. but i have the advantage of being a tanker myself, as well as playing a demolitions logi for a very long time now, and right now both those things are key to easily defeating tanks as infantry, untill last week i have never even spent points in light AV weaponry.... (i got plasma cannons BTW they are hilariously fun) im frusterated mostly becuase even when i try to tell people how to kill off tanks easily, or how to avoid them completly, rather then use that information they get angry at me and i cant figure out why. i do have the advantage this build though, im a tanker and a demolitions expert, the two things that really pack a punch against tanks, and being really good at both those things makes it really simple for me.

KenKaniff69 Fatal Absolution 1701	Posted - 2013.12.28 04:13:00 - [41] - Quote Why are you kids using explosives against a shield tank? WTF are you thinking? Use rails, forge guns, and blasters. High alpha is key. BBW fail again. 8213 needs to go back to cod because he clearly hates this game. proof So about those vehicle locks...
TcuBe3 Molon Labe. Public Disorder. 297	Posted - 2013.12.28 04:24:00 - [42] - Quote ** this tank 514 bs and the people defending them. If I want a tank battle ill play WOT. If CCP wanted a tank game they should have disclosed this before changing the goddamn skill tree around. The game is broken. CCP Fanboys remind me of the Heaven's Gate cult. "DON'T DRINK THE COOL AID PEOPLE!"**
Ghosts Chance Inf4m0us 608	Posted - 2013.12.28 04:29:00 - [43] - Quote TcuBe3 wrote: ** this tank 514 bs and ** the people defending them. If I want a tank battle ill play WOT. If CCP wanted a tank game they should have disclosed this before changing the goddamn skill tree around. The game is broken. they wanted ALL of it in the game.from 1.0 till 1.7 tanks were.... useless... wich isnt good for the game either. its not like CCP doesnt know that things arnt quite going to plan. your either playing this for the long game of being apart of it from the begining untill it rises to EvE status or your going to go play something else for a while.
Malek McRoland DUST University Ivy League 151	Posted - 2013.12.28 04:59:00 - [44] - Quote Does tank spam help the game? Probably not. But there are more things under Dust's skin that are hurting the game more than tank spam. -Lag time that affects framerate, making matches unplayable. -PvE still not implemented to alleviate PvP. -P2P trading/market still in the works....still. -Dozens of missing content for all the races' weapons, modules, and vehicles. -This game somewhat still in beta phase ( tin foil hat activated!) And last but not least.... -The players who have been playing cookie cutter FPS games like COD. I stopped playing COD years ago because it was BORING. The last 9 months of playing this game, albeit difficult to understand sometimes, has been the most fun playing a FPS I've had in awhile. Now, not all COD players are whiny like you, but...wait for it....because this part is about you.... This thread is nothing more than a lack of maturity. No....wait....a complete lack of understanding that you can't have everything you want in life. So, if you are done spewing on the forums and poisoning a small community already hurting for numbers, please biomass your character and distribute your ISK however you see fit. Hell, take it to the Biomass grave if you want. But seriously.....tank spam is not the real problem. Loyal Amarr and Caldari supporter Don't even start with AV and how tanks are not OP.
TcuBe3 Molon Labe. Public Disorder. 297	Posted - 2013.12.28 05:11:00 - [45] - Quote Still comparing this game to EVE. Stop just stop, it isn't eve it doesn't have the same play style and it isn't an RPG. Dust doesn't have 10 years unless it ports to another platform, not likely. The only reason I hold on to even a remote possibility to playing this game is because I'm collecting SP unemployment while my clone sits in deep space sleep in his merc quarters. Tanks went from one extreme to another just like everything else CCP releases. CCP Fanboys remind me of the Heaven's Gate cult. "DON'T DRINK THE COOL AID PEOPLE!"
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 11453	Posted - 2013.12.28 05:18:00 - [46] - Quote Blew up a Maddy with 4 re's 3 adv and 1 std it was glorious. After 5 minutes of 3 guys supporting our lone tank we annihilated all 8 Hostile have and they stopped calling them down. CPM 0 Secretary Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior, Annoying Artist \\= Advanced Rail Turret =// Unlocked
Darken-Sol BIG BAD W0LVES 1063	Posted - 2013.12.28 05:43:00 - [47] - Quote I destroy damn near every tank I come across. There have been two maddys on recent memory that have given me trouble both were running dual hardeners and a damage mod. This alone wouldn't really trouble me but my gunnlogi has trouble aiming down on uneven terrain. I had the blues about having to tank every match. I have just been recalling after I clear the feild of other tanks. I get alot of ground time now and get blow up tanks. It sucks my skills in FG are near useless,but you can't have everything. I feel bad cause I talked 8213 into skilling into forge. Oops. There was a time we fought good tankers. Now we just fight good tanks.
taxi bastard Minor Trueblood 86	Posted - 2013.12.28 05:48:00 - [48] - Quote tanks are ruining the game in their current format. I know a lot like me who used to get through all their SP's in the first couple of nights and now can't be bothered to cap out. its funny you hear about all these glorious tank slayers yet never seem to see them on the field of battle, or is that just me? ok if I can be bothered to waste isk I can sometimes take out a newb tanker, yet against people with a lot of SP's into tanks I can do very little. when tanks are so cheap and unless your in a tank requiring so much to counter, how can any one claim any form of balance? if they cost this little they should be popping almost as much as infantry suits or if they are to be so strong they should be costing 10x's as much.
TcuBe3 Molon Labe. Public Disorder. 298	Posted - 2013.12.28 05:59:00 - [49] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Blew up a Maddy with 4 re's 3 adv and 1 std it was glorious. After 5 minutes of 3 guys supporting our lone tank we annihilated all 8 Hostile have and they stopped calling them down. I'm not calling you a liar. I just simply do not believe you. Furthermore, 4 Mercs are suppose to drop everything and go dedicated AV? CCP Fanboys remind me of the Heaven's Gate cult. "DON'T DRINK THE COOL AID PEOPLE!"
8213 BIG BAD W0LVES 1237	Posted - 2013.12.28 06:02:00 - [50] - Quote I'm all for tanks. I'm all for utilizing vehicles, but 6 tanks at once is overkill. especially because they are like cockroaches. The enemy team doesn't stop bringing them in because they are cheap. 2 guys in my corp have AV HAVs. They'll destroy up to 10-15 tanks in a SINGLE match. And more just keep getting called in... Not once have I been in a game that enough tanks were destroyed to warrant the other team to stop calling them in. Maddys and Gunlogis cost a hefty amount in this game, but it's still only 500,000 per tank. Protostomping is still more expensive over the long run. And like we all know Militia tanks costs nothing. I can call in 3 in a match, lose all 3 and still have enough profit to buy 5 more after the match. Nerfing AV Reduced ISK of tanks Buffing tank modules... What did they expect to happen? You shifted everything to one side... Atiim and I told everyone, over & over. We don't agree on anything really, but we both could agree on this. Because we had common sense. It should be obvious when bipartison players like us can predict what would happen. It just goes to show that playerbase and CCP have lost all objectivity when building this game and are feeling there way in the dark getting more, and more, lost. If tanks were balanced, then why did their use go up 1000% the day 1.7 dropped? Fish in a bucket!

8213 BIG BAD W0LVES 1237	Posted - 2013.12.28 06:04:00 - [51] - Quote TcuBe3 wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Blew up a Maddy with 4 re's 3 adv and 1 std it was glorious. After 5 minutes of 3 guys supporting our lone tank we annihilated all 8 Hostile have and they stopped calling them down. I'm not calling you a liar. I just simply do not believe you. Furthermore, 4 Mercs are suppose to drop everything and go dedicated AV? Yeah! Why not? Because if the other team has 6 tanks, you can use all 24 of your team for AV.... oh wait... IWS only responded with his propaganda bs answer because I mentioned CPMs losing faith in CCP. He doesn't want to lose his "job" and fall out with CCP... as if CPM means anything to us or CCP. Fish in a bucket!
8213 BIG BAD W0LVES 1237	Posted - 2013.12.28 06:08:00 - [52] - Quote KenKaniff69 wrote: Why are you kids using explosives against a shield tank? WTF are you thinking? Use rails, forge guns, and blasters. High alpha is key. BBW fail again. 8213 needs to go back to cod because he clearly hates this game. proof Here's the prequel: http://youtu.be/vuOXS3sboB0 Funny thing, people still can't truly point out anything that I predicted didn't come to reality. In fact, the game became worse as it goes on. Fish in a bucket!
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 2674	Posted - 2013.12.28 06:11:00 - [53] - Quote TcuBe3 wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Blew up a Maddy with 4 re's 3 adv and 1 std it was glorious. After 5 minutes of 3 guys supporting our lone tank we annihilated all 8 Hostile have and they stopped calling them down. I'm not calling you a liar. I just simply do not believe you. Furthermore, 4 Mercs are suppose to drop everything and go dedicated AV? Yep. All while only 1 guy has to stop what they are doing, and go undedicated HAV. Why? Because balance We finally deployed in the MinFW Match! \o/
ladwar Death by Disassociation Zero-Day 1934	Posted - 2013.12.28 06:13:00 - [54] - Quote KenKaniff69 wrote: Why are you kids using explosives against a shield tank? WTF are you thinking? Use rails, forge guns, and blasters. High alpha is key. BBW fail again. 8213 needs to go back to cod because he clearly hates this game. proof lol.. thanks love the older videos. Level 2 Forum Warrior, retired vet. I shall smite Thy Trolls with numbers and truth not looking for a corp, don't ask.
8213 BIG BAD W0LVES 1244	Posted - 2013.12.28 09:05:00 - [55] - Quote I'm done with the game. I gave it a 2nd chance, and it failed me. Its not just tanks, its the flat out broken mechanics that only work some of the time. The fact that this game will not be on PS4 anytime this decade(by then the PS5 will be out) If they magically fix tanks, then it'll be just another FoTM issue. One right after the other, because that's the model CCP has used. Why waste time on a game that's a work in progress when there are already working, and better games, out there. I came back for the SGs, but being a SG Scout in this game is flat out stupid in this game. Don't ask for my 27 million ISK. I already uninstalled and it's staying on board. lol, it was 55 million 2 weeks ago, and I've only played maybe 5 days of 1.7... Go ahead and cross me off, Shotty. Fish in a bucket!
Mithridates VI Imperfects Negative-Feedback 2345	Posted - 2013.12.28 09:49:00 - [56] - Quote MOARLIEK BIG BAWWWW WOLVES, AMIRITE? Please refrain from utilizing such inflammatory sarcasm in the future. GÇö CCP Eterne
Blaze Ashra Ametat Security Amarr Empire 47	Posted - 2013.12.28 09:54:00 - [57] - Quote 8213 wrote: If they magically fix tanks, then it'll be just another FoTM issue. Welcome to the world of MMO gaming.
True Adamance Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 5292	Posted - 2013.12.28 09:56:00 - [58] - Quote Atiim wrote: TcuBe3 wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Blew up a Maddy with 4 re's 3 adv and 1 std it was glorious. After 5 minutes of 3 guys supporting our lone tank we annihilated all 8 Hostile have and they stopped calling them down. I'm not calling you a liar. I just simply do not believe you. Furthermore, 4 Mercs are suppose to drop everything and go dedicated AV? Yep. All while only 1 guy has to stop what they are doing, and go undedicated HAV. Why? Because balance Because tanking and other vehicle play wasn't worth playing as when you had to pay 1 Mill ISK to have the equivalent of 1 suits worth of potency. Frankly speaking I don't know why half of you are bitching, just let tankers do their jobs and enemy HAV will be downed, give them some support it works far more quickly. Half the time I'm dropping 4-6 HAV a round and the infantry is so garbage it cant even hold a single point. HTFU get better at taking points and maybe you wouldn't be loosing matches. Capping points always trumps the HAV slayer card. 1 HAV alone is not OP, 2 HAV really aren't OP, 3 HAV bordering where AV just cant handle them, 4 or more you seriously need tankers. Yeah Tank Spam in unbalanced, tanks a single units are not. They just require patience and a lot of fire power. To a Texan like you, a hero is some type of weird sandwich, not some nut who takes on three Gunlogi. Reference = ISK
CrotchGrab 360 1197	Posted - 2013.12.28 10:43:00 - [59] - Quote Here's the problem Both sides have tanks, I bring out my tank so I'm not getting stomped by tanks. I take out a tank. Out rolls Tryhard #1292 with a hardenered railgun Gunnlogi which is NEVER NOT HARDENED. I watched this guy the ENTIRE MATCH and not ONCE were his hardeners down. I get blown up then it's back to getting destroyed by tanks again!! Pathetic scrubs abusing broken game mechanics is what will destroy this game.
Wallaby1 The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine 61	Posted - 2013.12.28 10:48:00 - [60] - Quote warning "TOP SECRET TIP no.1 " if the enemy uses tanks so should you!!!!! stop complaining because you didnt kill a battalion of tanks with 1 clip



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