You do realise that Minmatar generally rely in shields too, yes?
They have been doing pretty well recently.

Minmatar uses armor, a good player uses it with armor, the high slots are used for enrgizing and 1 maybe 2 shields.

You do realise that Minmatar generally rely in shields too, yes?
They have been doing pretty well recently.

NO they don't they rely on armor just not as much as gallente. Give them 2 repping hives and it is God mode for amarr, gallente and Minmatar.

Minmatar uses armor, a good player uses it with armor, the high slots are used for enrgizing and 1 maybe 2 shields.

Drunk Troll is drunk?

I'll explain:
1) Every shield module has a deplete delay penalty (which does not affect badly gallente nor minmatar nor amarr). But it kills Caldari right off the bat, we see ourselves forced to run complex regulators and enhanced or complex energizers (which take about 1/3 maybe 1/2 of the dropsuits total CPU count). For caldari, PG is not much of a problem unless running Drop Uplinks, Scanners of Nanohives, which we don't depend from neither. We solely repair the ally, which as far as I'm concerned, the point of Caldari is to NOT depend on the ally, the ally depends on YOU in the logistic player's case, like me. But gallente, amarr and minmatar have a response to that, which is armor repping nanohives, which throws our game to the trash in a matter of 6 minutes or less.

2) Shield repping is solely depending whether your aislated or not. Caldari repair 20 shields per second, which is pretty high, but the delay, once again, decides whether we live or not. Once we're hit even by 1HP, we have to wait a pretty long time, like me, running 4 complex shield extenders, maybe 5. I'm not asking to the shield repping to be passive, that would be totally broken, but all i'm saying is: Please for God's sake, remove the shield delay stacking penalty, it kills Caldari.

3) The resiliency of shields is not the same as before. We Caldarians are, well use too, very resilient. Massive strength,, except for laser, which is understandable, every faction must have a weakness. But it's just too far to the point that hybrid weapons take us out faster the Caldarians rather to the gallentians, which, well, it's not bad, but shields are as fluffy as armor at the moment, the -10% of native damage is not doing a difference.

4) Our weaponry is not as good as plasma based weaponry. Rail rifles are very powerful, but it's not the same missing 3 shots from the rail rifle rather than the assault rifle, due to the RoF, which is a game changer right there, yeah the assault rifle is good the way it is, but the rail rifle is nothing, the combat rifle took the spotlight.

CCP, we've been loyal to you, and i'm asking nicely, not insulting, not asking like a douche, i'm giving actually relevant points. Please CCP, give us back our resiliency and old shields system back, every faction has a way to respond... except for us. We have no passive shield reppers nor shield repping hives, we solely depend on our shield count (which is good the way it is) and our shield RESILIENCY, which, to top things off, we have lower shield count than every other faction has armor count, and our shields are as strong as their armor. Not cool.

First I want to compliment your write up and analysis of shield tanking but.....

I could not disagree more. You simply cannot play shields the same way as buffer armor. You need to duck in and out and know when to leave. Regulators need to be better, sure, but the stacking penalty is completely negligible. I run 2-4 complex extenders on my Caldari mediums and have noticed no difference whatsoever since the stacking penalty was implemented.

My cal assault suits are recharging at about 35 hp/s at basic, going up to mid 50s at adv level/basics (don't have protos yet) At 4-500 shields it's more than enough buffer to play a variety of styles, from shotgunning to long range play. Get in, do damage, get out, come back with full tank. Besides, they are some of the best dual tankers in the game. I have a 340/340 Cal basic proto with 3 enhanced damage mods. I don't really find that weak in any way. As a Logi you have enough slots and CPU/PG to fit a proper shield tank (with energizers) and still put some plates on. Unfortunately your regulator bonus isn't especially good but at proto level I can see it being nice as you only really need two regs at most, leaving two lows for plates/reps.

And as much as I hate to point this out, Caldari have some of the most powerful weapons in the game. The Rail Rifle is currently a little overpowered, being able to project huge DPS over basically all engagement ranges. The sheild resistance to rail weaponry is basically unnoticed except on the best of shield tanks. The Forge Gun can be unfightable in the right conditions, and in a similar fashion some of the best Snipers can one or two hit everything. Nova Knives are nightmarish in the right hands. Swarms are currently hurting but they are hardly relevant to your post. Speaking of, Caldari also have Pythons and Gunnlogis...

Caldari currently have an extremely versatile set of weapons that really can't be complained about. All we need is our heavy and light frames and their variants. I have no idea how a Caldari can feel as though they are gimped in any way, especially since the assault suit is the posterchild of the game. Sorry I felt the need to shut you down but I won't have a fellow Cal acting like they really need anything. I am more than happy being super effective right now.

That's alright, good point. But, compare caldari back in the day, pretty strong huh? Giving gallentes good fights, after 1.2, things have flipped, a solo gallente gk.0 can take 2 caldari, and you say it can't. Caldari is crap at a free air map, unlike a city, we have the advantage.

Minmatar uses armor, a good player uses it with armor, the high slots are used for enrgizing and 1 maybe 2 shields.

Going through this thread makes me realize a lot of people overlook the combat rifle when they say the RR is op at range. The CR matches and exceeds it.

-Snip-

Uhhh.....what...?

In open range a bunch of ck.0's with Kalaakiotas will absolutely demolish gk.0's with Duvolles uncontested. In cities/CQC it flips around, but that's kinda how it works.

Playing FW earlier I was taking out entire squads* of 800 armor gk.0s with this fit:

Prototype Caldari Medium Frame
L SB-9 Rail Rifle/State Kalaakiota Specialist Rail Rifle
S 'Toxin' Submachine Gun Blueprint
G Flux Grenades (yeah even on a shield tank)
X Remote Explosives
= Complex Shield Extender
= Complex Shield Extender.
= Complex Shield Extender
= Enhanced Shield Energizer
- Enhanced Shield Regulator
- Enhanced Shield Regulator
- Basic Reactive Plates

470 Shields 175 Armor even at close range I was faster, and if they lost their bead on me I was back at max tank.

EDIT: Granted not solo, but this game isn't really a solo game. Besides a lot of the fights were even or we were outnumbered.

Minmatar uses armor, a good player uses it with armor, the high slots are used for enrgizing and 1 maybe 2 shields.

Bro, do you even Assault mk.0?

Was I the only one who misread caldarians as Canadians?

Its just caldari btw.