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ISEEYOU ZAP
Crimson Saints
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Posted - 2013.12.27 14:11:00 -
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If you guys think that caldari doesn't need an improvement, then:
Why do we lose a lot to ALWAYS factional warfare versus the marines? Even with organized squads, orbital support, we still get our butts whopped. Even with tanks.
There is no debate here, even if a gallente plays the way Caldari plays which hit and run, they would whoop our butts as well. These monstrousities are catastrophic at ambushing NULL cannons, we don't stand a chance. I always logi a gallente logi gk.0 with my ck.0, as the gallente ambushes, i repp and that thing is IMMORTAL! i go with my republic proto repair tool and that thing is a tank of mass destruction; it won't die. My ck.0 has 4 complex extender, 1 enhanced energizer, 2 complex regulators, 1 basic plate and 1 complex cpu. I carry it with my proto assault combat rifle, i think it is six kin, and my equipment is an active scanner, a repair tool and a enhanced nanite. Everything a gallente needs, go with the logi role on a caldari it won't work. And a few times we have been ambushed by duvolles, and my ck.0 dies like dipcrap when ambushed, while the gk.0 eats the opponent. Yeah, caldari needs a buff, like it or hate it, i don't ask for the same system as gallente: Huge buffer, low passive repping. But i would love if the old shields system is back, where i can top it up to 650 back in the day and give gallente's a good fight.
Well, logi-ing is awesome. Yet annoying when used against...
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KGB Sleep
Ikomari-Onu Enforcement Caldari State
597
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Posted - 2013.12.27 14:35:00 -
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I'm not even playing FW anymore trying to recover ISK. I don't have a fancy corp that pays out.
When 1.7 dropped I spent nearly 20m on new fittings (new Proto RRs).
Every FW match I play is full of people who are trying to play it like a pub where you can just suck balls and profit.
I'd squad up with real Cal FW groups but I need ISK right now.
"Because beer, that's why."
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Midas Fool
Black Phoenix Mercenaries
293
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Posted - 2013.12.27 14:36:00 -
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ISEEYOU ZAP wrote:LOL XD OF COURSE SNIPING DEMOLISH MID-RANGE!!! I meant mid vs mid in a gallente vs caldari situation.
Sniping? I was referring to Kalaakiota Rail Rifles...
ISEEYOU ZAP wrote:If you guys think that caldari doesn't need an improvement, then:
Why do we lose a lot to ALWAYS factional warfare versus the marines? Even with organized squads, orbital support, we still get our butts whopped. Even with tanks.
There is no debate here, even if a gallente plays the way Caldari plays which hit and run, they would whoop our butts as well. These monstrousities are catastrophic at ambushing NULL cannons, we don't stand a chance. I always logi a gallente logi gk.0 with my ck.0, as the gallente ambushes, i repp and that thing is IMMORTAL! i go with my republic proto repair tool and that thing is a tank of mass destruction; it won't die. My ck.0 has 4 complex extender, 1 enhanced energizer, 2 complex regulators, 1 basic plate and 1 complex cpu. I carry it with my proto assault combat rifle, i think it is six kin, and my equipment is an active scanner, a repair tool and a enhanced nanite. Everything a gallente needs, go with the logi role on a caldari it won't work. And a few times we have been ambushed by duvolles, and my ck.0 dies like dipcrap when ambushed, while the gk.0 eats the opponent. Yeah, caldari needs a buff, like it or hate it, i don't ask for the same system as gallente: Huge buffer, low passive repping. But i would love if the old shields system is back, where i can top it up to 650 back in the day and give gallente's a good fight.
The reason Caldari are losing factional warfare is because the Gallente side has a large number of powerful corps dedicated to fighting for them. That means that almost every match is going to have qsynced full proto squads with Eve orbital support (which is devastating, by the way) while the Caldari are running with a bunch of random scrubs who don't even know to shield tank. They are simply better players.
Speaking of, are you trying to RP? Cause noone else is in either game. A squad and I won 6 FW battles in a row the other day for the Caldari and only two of us were in Caldari suits or using Caldari weapons. For god sake we had a Madrugar. Not every FW match is going to be ck.0's versus gk.0's. If you are having so much trouble using Cal suits, then use what you are comfortable (and good at) using.
Oh and logi gk.0s being invincible? My remote explosives would like to have a word with you. Hint hint logi...
+25 Kill Assist...+25 Kill Assist...+25 Kill Assist...NO HOW WHY
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ISEEYOU ZAP
Crimson Saints
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Posted - 2013.12.27 14:41:00 -
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Midas Fool wrote:ISEEYOU ZAP wrote:LOL XD OF COURSE SNIPING DEMOLISH MID-RANGE!!! I meant mid vs mid in a gallente vs caldari situation. Sniping? I was referring to Kalaakiota Rail Rifles... ISEEYOU ZAP wrote:If you guys think that caldari doesn't need an improvement, then:
Why do we lose a lot to ALWAYS factional warfare versus the marines? Even with organized squads, orbital support, we still get our butts whopped. Even with tanks.
There is no debate here, even if a gallente plays the way Caldari plays which hit and run, they would whoop our butts as well. These monstrousities are catastrophic at ambushing NULL cannons, we don't stand a chance. I always logi a gallente logi gk.0 with my ck.0, as the gallente ambushes, i repp and that thing is IMMORTAL! i go with my republic proto repair tool and that thing is a tank of mass destruction; it won't die. My ck.0 has 4 complex extender, 1 enhanced energizer, 2 complex regulators, 1 basic plate and 1 complex cpu. I carry it with my proto assault combat rifle, i think it is six kin, and my equipment is an active scanner, a repair tool and a enhanced nanite. Everything a gallente needs, go with the logi role on a caldari it won't work. And a few times we have been ambushed by duvolles, and my ck.0 dies like dipcrap when ambushed, while the gk.0 eats the opponent. Yeah, caldari needs a buff, like it or hate it, i don't ask for the same system as gallente: Huge buffer, low passive repping. But i would love if the old shields system is back, where i can top it up to 650 back in the day and give gallente's a good fight. The reason Caldari are losing factional warfare is because the Gallente side has a large number of powerful corps dedicated to fighting for them. That means that almost every match is going to have qsynced full proto squads with Eve orbital support (which is devastating, by the way) while the Caldari are running with a bunch of random scrubs who don't even know to shield tank. They are simply better players. Speaking of, are you trying to RP? Cause noone else is in either game. A squad and I won 6 FW battles in a row the other day for the Caldari and only two of us were in Caldari suits or using Caldari weapons. For god sake we had a Madrugar. Not every FW match is going to be ck.0's versus gk.0's. If you are having so much trouble using Cal suits, then use what you are comfortable (and good at) using. Oh and logi gk.0s being invincible? My remote explosives would like to have a word with you. Hint hint logi...
I knew you were going to tell the irrelevant remote explosives... the remote explosive can take any infantry, so o didn't even needed metionning it. I know how to use caldari don't get me wrong, but it down right needs to be updated, yeah there are corps dedicated to Gallente fw, so as for caldari, serious ones. I would love to play with any of you guys in an fw, you'll whoop our butts, you say one match with 1 Madrugar!? PFFFF! Right moment, right match,i've been hellbent versus 4 madrugars, hiding a bit, i've taken the four of them, but what's that gonna do when we need the NULL cannons.
Well, logi-ing is awesome. Yet annoying when used against...
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Reav Hannari
Red Rock Outriders
2275
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Posted - 2013.12.27 14:46:00 -
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The triage nanohives should not be used in any argument that armor is better than shield.
- It's stationary.
- It repairs the armor of any friendly suit, Caldari included.
- It can be easily fluxed out of existence or otherwise destroyed.
CCP could introduce shield transporters and shield regeneration nanohives but they haven't. I'm guessing that play testing revealed they made the recipients nearly invulnerable. It's not that difficult to overcome armor regeneration.
// Spike Lieutenant // Matari Logistics / Scout / Pilot // @ReesNoturana
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John Demonsbane
Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy
1404
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Posted - 2013.12.27 14:47:00 -
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Some thoughts: 1) I do applaud the OP for some analysis, it's always good to see new players (I assume you are new-ish) sticking with and analyzing things. Best part is you can use some of this feedback you are getting to improve your game Because, yes, you probably are doing it wrong to a certain extent. No biggie, it happens.
Caldari losing FW has nothing to do with the equipment, as mentioned.
"The line between disorder and order lies in logistics" -Sun Tzu
Amarr victor!
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BATTOUSAI THE MANSLAYER
Robbing The Hood Public Disorder.
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Posted - 2013.12.27 14:47:00 -
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ISEEYOU ZAP wrote: would of quitted if it wouldn't be so... Stopped reading right there |
ISEEYOU ZAP
Crimson Saints
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Posted - 2013.12.27 14:49:00 -
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John Demonsbane wrote:Some thoughts: 1) I do applaud the OP for some analysis, it's always good to see new players (I assume you are new-ish) sticking with and analyzing things. Best part is you can use some of this feedback you are getting to improve your game Because, yes, you probably are doing it wrong to a certain extent. No biggie, it happens.
Caldari losing FW has nothing to do with the equipment, as mentioned.
I've been here since the closed beta. I know what i talk about, yes feedback is appreciated, but i remember back in the day when we had a good fight versus gallente, and if we lost, we lost with dignity.
Well, logi-ing is awesome. Yet annoying when used against...
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KGB Sleep
Ikomari-Onu Enforcement Caldari State
597
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Posted - 2013.12.27 14:52:00 -
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And where are my MOTHEFKKING SHIELDS?
"Because beer, that's why."
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DANJA DOM
FREE AGENTS LP
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Posted - 2013.12.27 14:52:00 -
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I agree wih zap, shields need a buff, only a small one, but still. I am using caldari assault again, shield tanking works if your smart and use hit and run tactics, but it still needs a buff. |
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ISEEYOU ZAP
Crimson Saints
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Posted - 2013.12.27 14:54:00 -
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BATTOUSAI THE MANSLAYER wrote:ISEEYOU ZAP wrote: would of quitted if it wouldn't be so... Stopped reading right there
;-; why?
Well, logi-ing is awesome. Yet annoying when used against...
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Slag Emberforge
Immortal Retribution
353
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Posted - 2013.12.27 14:58:00 -
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If CCP puts forge guns in the loyalty store, as they should be, Calamari will get more assistance.
I currently play for the matari, but seeing that blue glow and things going boom is just so much more rewarding.
Amarr has my suits Matar has my anti-infantry weapons ???? Has my primary weapon.
Hopefully CCP will fix this soon, be thankful at least that your CK.0 can basically get almost of all of its fittings in one place. |
ISEEYOU ZAP
Crimson Saints
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Posted - 2013.12.27 15:00:00 -
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DANJA DOM wrote:I agree wih zap, shields need a buff, only a small one, but still. I am using caldari assault again, shield tanking works if your smart and use hit and run tactics, but it still needs a buff.
This man cal tell you how efficiently i logi.
Well, logi-ing is awesome. Yet annoying when used against...
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Reav Hannari
Red Rock Outriders
2276
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Posted - 2013.12.27 15:04:00 -
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DANJA DOM wrote:I agree wih zap, shields need a buff, only a small one, but still. I am using caldari assault again, shield tanking works if your smart and use hit and run tactics, but it still needs a buff.
Exactly how they were designed to be used. Shield for ranged attack. Armor for head on assault. As a Matari using the suits with the weakest defenses but the some of the shortest ranged weapons I have even more of a challenge but I do just fine.
// Spike Lieutenant // Matari Logistics / Scout / Pilot // @ReesNoturana
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John Demonsbane
Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy
1404
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Posted - 2013.12.27 15:06:00 -
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ISEEYOU ZAP wrote:John Demonsbane wrote:Some thoughts: 1) I do applaud the OP for some analysis, it's always good to see new players (I assume you are new-ish) sticking with and analyzing things. Best part is you can use some of this feedback you are getting to improve your game Because, yes, you probably are doing it wrong to a certain extent. No biggie, it happens.
Caldari losing FW has nothing to do with the equipment, as mentioned.
I've been here since the closed beta. I know what i talk about, yes feedback is appreciated, but i remember back in the day when we had a good fight versus gallente, and if we lost, we lost with dignity.
My mistake, but it does explain something. I accidentally posted my previous comment early, you'll see that it has been expanded. Yes, Caldari suits are not as good anymore, since as I mentioned, armor taking was broken before, so the gallente and amarr suits were not very useful (esp the old amarr logi, blech).
Since you used to use a pre-nerf CalLogi your suit is certainly gimped compared to before. Frankly it unquestionably should be since it was the signal example of poor design decisions by CCP and is why they released the new rifle information so early and made adjustments based on player feedback.
"The line between disorder and order lies in logistics" -Sun Tzu
Amarr victor!
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ISEEYOU ZAP
Crimson Saints
1
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Posted - 2013.12.27 15:10:00 -
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John Demonsbane wrote:ISEEYOU ZAP wrote:John Demonsbane wrote:Some thoughts: 1) I do applaud the OP for some analysis, it's always good to see new players (I assume you are new-ish) sticking with and analyzing things. Best part is you can use some of this feedback you are getting to improve your game Because, yes, you probably are doing it wrong to a certain extent. No biggie, it happens.
Caldari losing FW has nothing to do with the equipment, as mentioned.
I've been here since the closed beta. I know what i talk about, yes feedback is appreciated, but i remember back in the day when we had a good fight versus gallente, and if we lost, we lost with dignity. My mistake, but it does explain something. I accidentally posted my previous comment early, you'll see that it has been expanded. Yes, Caldari suits are not as good anymore, since as I mentioned, armor taking was broken before, so the gallente and amarr suits were not very useful (esp the old amarr logi, blech). Since you used to use a pre-nerf CalLogi your suit is certainly gimped compared to before. Frankly it unquestionably should be since it was the signal example of poor design decisions by CCP and is why they released the new rifle information so early and made adjustments based on player feedback.
They simply broke the Caldari shields system,, welll it's not caldari's fault, it's the shields themselves, i would love to get the old shield system back, i'm not asking where back in the day you could get a 1400 EHP Caldari suit where you took a dump to everyone who opposed you.
Well, logi-ing is awesome. Yet annoying when used against...
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KGB Sleep
Ikomari-Onu Enforcement Caldari State
597
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Posted - 2013.12.27 15:12:00 -
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The problem is Dust has little influence and Eve will always dominate FW.
Basically, If Caldari isn't important to Eve then we just sit here failing.
Mercs need to be a real commodity in New Eden.
I want Eve corps contacting me / paying me out of sheer need for Dust mercs.
We are fewer / rarer than they are.
"Because beer, that's why."
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ISEEYOU ZAP
Crimson Saints
2
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Posted - 2013.12.27 16:14:00 -
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[quote=Arkena Wyrnspire][quote=ISEEYOU ZAP] I'll explain: 1) Every shield module has a deplete delay penalty (which does not affect badly gallente nor minmatar nor amarr). But it kills Caldari right off the bat, we see ourselves forced to run complex regulators and enhanced or complex energizers (which take about 1/3 maybe 1/2 of the dropsuits total CPU count). For caldari, PG is not much of a problem unless running Drop Uplinks, Scanners of Nanohives, which we don't depend from neither. We solely repair the ally, which as far as I'm concerned, the point of Caldari is to NOT depend on the ally, the ally depends on YOU in the logistic player's case, like me. But gallente, amarr and minmatar have a response to that, which is armor repping nanohives, which throws our game to the trash in a matter of 6 minutes or less.
Not the suit in 6 minutes, our battle is thrown to the trash in 6 minutes, repping hives behind a rick or mountain as you then go out fully repped? Are you delusional? Have you ever been raped by a logi gk.0 with dual repping hives? Seems not...
Well, logi-ing is awesome. Yet annoying when used against...
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Ghost Kaisar
Titans of Phoenix
1368
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Posted - 2013.12.27 17:02:00 -
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ISEEYOU ZAP wrote: Not the suit in 6 minutes, our battle is thrown to the trash in 6 minutes, repping hives behind a rick or mountain as you then go out fully repped? Are you delusional? Have you ever been raped by a logi gk.0 with dual repping hives? Seems not...
Flux nades do wonders against those things. Cook it, pop out and throw. Duck behind cover and wait for the blast. Then proceed to tear him in half with a CR.
Minmatar Faction Warfare: Let's get Organized
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