You think that 200 players would pay $100 each for a respec?

Eve has a neural remap, one free skill point (EDIT: Attribute remap) rearrange a year, why can't dusties have that for our SP?

Make it 10 or 15 bucks and we have a deal. 100 bucks is crazy.

CCP should allow respecs for 100,000 AUR.

The respec should also remove half of your SP permanently.

CCP should allow respecs for 100,000 AUR.

The respec should also remove half of your SP permanently.

Eve has a neural remap, one free skill point (EDIT: Attribute remap) rearrange a year, why can't dusties have that for our SP?

EDIT: im generally against respecs as they enable people to choose, "flavor of the months". But with a harsh limit on them I dont have as much of a problem.

Oh quit your whining already. Let's just face one simple fact

The Game is still in Beta.
Scout and Heavy racial variants? Tanks? LAVs? Heavy guns? Dropships? Installations? Pilot Dropsuits? Player Market?
When these things are all introduced, then and only then, can anyone consider the game "released". And I'd propose that 14 days after that happens, no more respecs should ever be discussed.

Until that happens, let's just be honest with ourselves. A lot of guys had quit playing this game because they spec'd into X, X got nerfed, and they didn't feel like grinding/AFKing to spec into something else. I have a clan full of such players. Well, that and a bunch of players that flat out don't trust CCP to do anything right.

However, the old adage of "one fix and 8 screw ups" per patch seems to have fallen by the wayside (Did all the Zipper guys get fired or does the new cruise director have it going on?).

As I come back to the game after the last couple of updates I've been very pleased with the changes I've seen. Biggest problem I'm seeing is the RR. The maps lend to that weapon SO well. Not sure how to fix that to be honest. Will adding more players for the 32 vs 32 help or hurt the problem? Time will tell. However I will say that it's not OP, but working as intended.

Back the $100 dollar (US) Respec.

Why not just allow for a respec as the game progresses? CCP, you'll make 20 grand the first day, and that's probably conservative. With the coming FOTM's that we have yet to see...why not give players the opportunity to respec just so long as they pay through the nose? I can tell you right now, I got two toons that I'd do it for. My main is so screwed up I can't play on him anymore (my heart is Minmatar, but my playstyle is actually Gallente Logi...18mil+ SP sunk in all the wrong places).

And what about all the tankers that abandoned the game that would like to come back but spec'd out of tanking and don't want to grind?

CCP offers AUR versions of plenty of gear to keep players competitive as they grind up their toons, but in reality, it's all about money and "micro transactions".

I know all you "purists" will come running to the thread with "NO REPECS...CHOICES HAVE CONSEQUENCES"...and if the game was anywhere near finished or "pure" itself, I'd be inclined to agree. But it's not. In order to make an informed choice, you have to know all the variables that go into making that choice. Since we can't peer into the future of the army of "SOON"s that are yet to be, it's time to give it up and ask yourself one question.

Do you want to have a playerbase? If yes, then just accept that this is still a F2P beta and player choice should trump all.

That isn't the same thing.

I'm sure something along the lines of what we saw with the vehicle changes is coming for infantry.

When they add in the rest of the racial suits, and especially if they are changing the suit bonuses, which is the reason I chose Gallente in the first place (that and they are 'Murica). They will need to.

I would assume we get a SP refund for suits. I wouldn't expect full respecs. I personally think they SHOULD do a full respec when the game gets out of beta (zing). But I think that won't happen. SP refund will be it. Do yourselves a favor and put the SP into core skills this time so we don't have to hear about it on the forums please (directed at mindless BB's, not OP).

Should be interesting quite frankly, this next update...since "balance" to CCP means invincible vehicles and AV as powerful as my stream of p*ss after 8 beers. One can only logically assume my scout will be ultimate punching madrugars into orbit after they get "rebalanced" in a months time.

Are you out of your mind. If I accepted your idea I would lose over 15 million SP and would still have to pay. What the F*** did you take and please please never take it again.

Oh quit your whining already. Let's just face one simple fact

The Game is still in Beta.
Scout and Heavy racial variants? Tanks? LAVs? Heavy guns? Dropships? Installations? Pilot Dropsuits? Player Market?
When these things are all introduced, then and only then, can anyone consider the game "released". And I'd propose that 14 days after that happens, no more respecs should ever be discussed.

Oh quit your whining already.

No it isn't. It was officially released. Content will be added all the time. And there's no difference between entirely new Dropsuits or just racial variants. So, regarding this fact: No more respecs should ever be discussed. Thank you.

No it isn't. It was officially released. Content will be added all the time. And there's no difference between entirely new Dropsuits or just racial variants. So, regarding this fact: No more respecs should ever be discussed. Thank you.

Remaps are nothing like a respec. Remaps control how you gain SP not how to redistribute the sp you have already used. Respecs are bad, end of story.

Also a side note. You gain SP twice as fast in Dust as you do in EVE, even faster with boosters. So those begging for respecs have no idea his easy dust players have it compared to EVE.

You think that 200 players would pay $100 each for a respec?

$100?
Are you ******* stupid?
On this game?
Seriously, **** you.

I already wasted enough money gaining that SP and then for some crybaby piece of **** to get my weapons nerfed because the server system is ****** and explosive damage was the only consistency through the lag (just one example)?
Eat ****, mother ******.

It's still in beta.
Until these fucktards can figure out the basics of their own ******* game, respecs shouldn't cost jack ****.

Mother ******* on here always act like CCP is in dire need of money, while CCP keeps opening and expanding new divisions.

$100? Yeah, **** that and **** you for even suggesting it.
Have you ever had a Marketing class? Do that first, then post marketing suggestions.

Wait.

You like having a bonus to shields on your GalAssault?

into amarr heavy or quit.

in short: CCP currently penalizes the players everytime he makes a decision. the premise under which a player decided to spend SP changes nonstop, thus his decision was made null and void in which case his decision was meaningless from the beginning on. how about the devs facing the consequences of THEIR bad decisions and give a respec as compensation even once?


it isnt the same thing BUT in EVE you get alot of more passive SP and a a Neural Remap can speed it up if you are focusing on something specific. you can make skill plan and take a break from the game for a month, then come back and enjoy something completely new with good amounts of SP in it. you can also buy a new character in the character bazaar if you have the isk.

in dust, you have to play actively if you want to achieve something in a reasonable timeframe.

Wow, I think I struck a nerve. Lemme guess you work, or think you're good at Marketing? Well, bub, this ain't about marketing. This is about putting a price tag on a service that will both allow for the service, but discourage it at the same time.
Do you know what takes to respec an account? I don't. It may be easy, or it may take setting every tree to zero manually. Who's doing it? How much time does it take and how much are they being paid? What other duties are they not performing to do this task and how much more strategic is that task to current projects?

I love "marketing guys". Too stupid to be an engineer and to much of an asshat to be in sales.

The $100 dollar (US) Price tag is designed to:
1) Give CCP a fiscal incentive to do it on a regular basis. They WILL NOT do it for free on the player's schedule, only when they feel the need to do so, and it's a major headache.
2) Make it so that only either the most serious of Dust players or those with plenty of discretionary income (like me). There was already one "I don't know if I'd pay that much for a respec". What that says is that the poster of that comment wants the respec, so now we're just haggling price. Again, the price should be discouraging, hence, the higher pricetag.

Also, do you know how much Money Dust has made? Is it Solvent? Is CCP taking money from EvE's profit line to invest in these other divisions? Are you their accountant? No? Oh, well in that case, **** you, you ******* ****.

For an "old guy" you sure do sound a lot like a member of the "Money for nuthin" free entitlement generation. Get a haircut, hippie.

No. This has Pay 2 Win written all over it.

Situation:

A rich guy knows there will be a large number of HAVs in the next PC match, but doesn't have enough SP into AV to take them down of scare them away. But that isn't a problem because he is rich, and can just pay a measly $100 to get proto AV with proficiency V for the PC battle. He has just paid the developers to win.

Don't say someone wouldn't spent money like that even if they were rich, because they would. People have done things like this before in other games...

Make it 10 or 15 bucks and we have a deal. 100 bucks is crazy.

To everyone saying the game is still in beta:

Betas aren't when most of the development happens. Betas are simply to iron out all the major technical issues.
So we are indeed out of beta.

To everyone saying the game is still in beta:

Betas aren't when most of the development happens. Betas are simply to iron out all the major technical issues.
So we are indeed out of beta.

No. This has Pay 2 Win written all over it.

Situation:

A rich guy knows there will be a large number of HAVs in the next PC match, but doesn't have enough SP into AV to take them down of scare them away. But that isn't a problem because he is rich, and can just pay a measly $100 to get proto AV with proficiency V for the PC battle. He has just paid the developers to win.

Don't say someone wouldn't spent money like that even if they were rich, because they would. People have done things like this before in other games...

$100 for a respec?

Oh, this must be Hilmar P+¬tursson's alt.

Trying for a harder 2014 bottom line, Hilmar?

Oh quit your whining already. Let's just face one simple fact

The Game is still in Beta.
Scout and Heavy racial variants? Tanks? LAVs? Heavy guns? Dropships? Installations? Pilot Dropsuits? Player Market?
When these things are all introduced, then and only then, can anyone consider the game "released". And I'd propose that 14 days after that happens, no more respecs should ever be discussed.

Until that happens, let's just be honest with ourselves. A lot of guys had quit playing this game because they spec'd into X, X got nerfed, and they didn't feel like grinding/AFKing to spec into something else. I have a clan full of such players. Well, that and a bunch of players that flat out don't trust CCP to do anything right.

However, the old adage of "one fix and 8 screw ups" per patch seems to have fallen by the wayside (Did all the Zipper guys get fired or does the new cruise director have it going on?).

As I come back to the game after the last couple of updates I've been very pleased with the changes I've seen. Biggest problem I'm seeing is the RR. The maps lend to that weapon SO well. Not sure how to fix that to be honest. Will adding more players for the 32 vs 32 help or hurt the problem? Time will tell. However I will say that it's not OP, but working as intended.

Back the $100 dollar (US) Respec.

Why not just allow for a respec as the game progresses? CCP, you'll make 20 grand the first day, and that's probably conservative. With the coming FOTM's that we have yet to see...why not give players the opportunity to respec just so long as they pay through the nose? I can tell you right now, I got two toons that I'd do it for. My main is so screwed up I can't play on him anymore (my heart is Minmatar, but my playstyle is actually Gallente Logi...18mil+ SP sunk in all the wrong places).

And what about all the tankers that abandoned the game that would like to come back but spec'd out of tanking and don't want to grind?

CCP offers AUR versions of plenty of gear to keep players competitive as they grind up their toons, but in reality, it's all about money and "micro transactions".

I know all you "purists" will come running to the thread with "NO REPECS...CHOICES HAVE CONSEQUENCES"...and if the game was anywhere near finished or "pure" itself, I'd be inclined to agree. But it's not. In order to make an informed choice, you have to know all the variables that go into making that choice. Since we can't peer into the future of the army of "SOON"s that are yet to be, it's time to give it up and ask yourself one question.

Do you want to have a playerbase? If yes, then just accept that this is still a F2P beta and player choice should trump all.

Shhhhhhhhhhhh, the players are watching.

To everyone saying the game is still in beta:

Betas aren't when most of the development happens. Betas are simply to iron out all the major technical issues.
So we are indeed out of beta.

ur gonna think u have found a fan in me, but isnt this the 3rd STFU post ive made to a post of yours, in an hour?

No, Player choice should not trump all.

Also, you want to give people with tons of money the ability to stomp on anyone who isn't willing to drop $100 to always get with the FotM build?

Great way to lose the entire playerbase.