DUST Search - The $100 Repec

BattleCry1791 wrote:

Oh quit your whining already. Let's just face one simple fact

The Game is still in Beta.
Scout and Heavy racial variants? Tanks? LAVs? Heavy guns? Dropships? Installations? Pilot Dropsuits? Player Market?
When these things are all introduced, then and only then, can anyone consider the game "released". And I'd propose that 14 days after that happens, no more respecs should ever be discussed.

Until that happens, let's just be honest with ourselves. A lot of guys had quit playing this game because they spec'd into X, X got nerfed, and they didn't feel like grinding/AFKing to spec into something else. I have a clan full of such players. Well, that and a bunch of players that flat out don't trust CCP to do anything right.

However, the old adage of "one fix and 8 screw ups" per patch seems to have fallen by the wayside (Did all the Zipper guys get fired or does the new cruise director have it going on?).

As I come back to the game after the last couple of updates I've been very pleased with the changes I've seen. Biggest problem I'm seeing is the RR. The maps lend to that weapon SO well. Not sure how to fix that to be honest. Will adding more players for the 32 vs 32 help or hurt the problem? Time will tell. However I will say that it's not OP, but working as intended.

Back the $100 dollar (US) Respec.

Why not just allow for a respec as the game progresses? CCP, you'll make 20 grand the first day, and that's probably conservative. With the coming FOTM's that we have yet to see...why not give players the opportunity to respec just so long as they pay through the nose? I can tell you right now, I got two toons that I'd do it for. My main is so screwed up I can't play on him anymore (my heart is Minmatar, but my playstyle is actually Gallente Logi...18mil+ SP sunk in all the wrong places).

And what about all the tankers that abandoned the game that would like to come back but spec'd out of tanking and don't want to grind?

CCP offers AUR versions of plenty of gear to keep players competitive as they grind up their toons, but in reality, it's all about money and "micro transactions".

I know all you "purists" will come running to the thread with "NO REPECS...CHOICES HAVE CONSEQUENCES"...and if the game was anywhere near finished or "pure" itself, I'd be inclined to agree. But it's not. In order to make an informed choice, you have to know all the variables that go into making that choice. Since we can't peer into the future of the army of "SOON"s that are yet to be, it's time to give it up and ask yourself one question.

Do you want to have a playerbase? If yes, then just accept that this is still a F2P beta and player choice should trump all.

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BattleCry1791 PFB Pink Fluffy Bunnies 277	Posted - 2013.12.24 07:47:00 - [1] - Quote Oh quit your whining already. Let's just face one simple fact The Game is still in Beta. Scout and Heavy racial variants? Tanks? LAVs? Heavy guns? Dropships? Installations? Pilot Dropsuits? Player Market? When these things are all introduced, then and only then, can anyone consider the game "released". And I'd propose that 14 days after that happens, no more respecs should ever be discussed. Until that happens, let's just be honest with ourselves. A lot of guys had quit playing this game because they spec'd into X, X got nerfed, and they didn't feel like grinding/AFKing to spec into something else. I have a clan full of such players. Well, that and a bunch of players that flat out don't trust CCP to do anything right. However, the old adage of "one fix and 8 screw ups" per patch seems to have fallen by the wayside (Did all the Zipper guys get fired or does the new cruise director have it going on?). As I come back to the game after the last couple of updates I've been very pleased with the changes I've seen. Biggest problem I'm seeing is the RR. The maps lend to that weapon SO well. Not sure how to fix that to be honest. Will adding more players for the 32 vs 32 help or hurt the problem? Time will tell. However I will say that it's not OP, but working as intended. Back the $100 dollar (US) Respec. Why not just allow for a respec as the game progresses? CCP, you'll make 20 grand the first day, and that's probably conservative. With the coming FOTM's that we have yet to see...why not give players the opportunity to respec just so long as they pay through the nose? I can tell you right now, I got two toons that I'd do it for. My main is so screwed up I can't play on him anymore (my heart is Minmatar, but my playstyle is actually Gallente Logi...18mil+ SP sunk in all the wrong places). And what about all the tankers that abandoned the game that would like to come back but spec'd out of tanking and don't want to grind? CCP offers AUR versions of plenty of gear to keep players competitive as they grind up their toons, but in reality, it's all about money and "micro transactions". I know all you "purists" will come running to the thread with "NO REPECS...CHOICES HAVE CONSEQUENCES"...and if the game was anywhere near finished or "pure" itself, I'd be inclined to agree. But it's not. In order to make an informed choice, you have to know all the variables that go into making that choice. Since we can't peer into the future of the army of "SOON"s that are yet to be, it's time to give it up and ask yourself one question. Do you want to have a playerbase? If yes, then just accept that this is still a F2P beta and player choice should trump all.
Borne Velvalor Endless Hatred 1122	Posted - 2013.12.24 08:01:00 - [2] - Quote You think that 200 players would pay $100 each for a respec? Many suits I've worn, many burdens I've borne, for the oaths I've sworn. Panda.
Syeven Reed RETR0 PR0 GAMERS INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS 219	Posted - 2013.12.24 08:09:00 - [3] - Quote Eve has a neural remap, one free skill point (EDIT: Attribute remap) rearrange a year, why can't dusties have that for our SP? EDIT: im generally against respecs as they enable people to choose, "flavor of the months". But with a harsh limit on them I dont have as much of a problem. Gÿé Syeven 514
BattleCry1791 PFB Pink Fluffy Bunnies 279	Posted - 2013.12.24 08:11:00 - [4] - Quote Borne Velvalor wrote: You think that 200 players would pay $100 each for a respec? I said it, I'll stand by it.
Alena Ventrallis The Neutral Zone 360	Posted - 2013.12.24 08:14:00 - [5] - Quote Syeven Reed wrote: Eve has a neural remap, one free skill point (EDIT: Attribute remap) rearrange a year, why can't dusties have that for our SP? That isn't the same thing. That being said, a respec wouldn't be a bad thing. A lot of people skilled into things only for CCP to change how they worked.
deezy dabest Warpoint Sharx 136	Posted - 2013.12.24 08:21:00 - [6] - Quote If the game was not still in beta I would pay 100 for a respec, but knowing that placement would leave me with some measure of what I am already at (only the core skills are still useful), I would not. This might be good for something in the future but right now it would be the same as putting 100 into a slot machine.
StoneSmasher Drugga Seykal Expeditionary Group Minmatar Republic 27	Posted - 2013.12.24 08:26:00 - [7] - Quote Make it 10 or 15 bucks and we have a deal. 100 bucks is crazy. There is no evil greater than hyperbole.
jerrmy12 kahoalii Krullefor Organization Minmatar Republic 182	Posted - 2013.12.24 08:41:00 - [8] - Quote StoneSmasher Drugga wrote: Make it 10 or 15 bucks and we have a deal. 100 bucks is crazy. 5 or 10 thousand aurum & we have i deal, i only have 10k recuruit link 5 to 11 mil isk per 100k recuruit
Rasatsu Much Crying Old Experts 963	Posted - 2013.12.24 08:55:00 - [9] - Quote CCP should allow respecs for 100,000 AUR. The respec should also remove half of your SP permanently.
jerrmy12 kahoalii Krullefor Organization Minmatar Republic 182	Posted - 2013.12.24 09:03:00 - [10] - Quote Rasatsu wrote: CCP should allow respecs for 100,000 AUR. The respec should also remove half of your SP permanently. no one would buy it & that would remove the point of the respec. please get out recuruit link 5 to 11 mil isk per 100k recuruit

Blind Nojoy G I A N T General Tso's Alliance 68	Posted - 2013.12.24 09:09:00 - [11] - Quote I'm sure something along the lines of what we saw with the vehicle changes is coming for infantry. When they add in the rest of the racial suits, and especially if they are changing the suit bonuses, which is the reason I chose Gallente in the first place (that and they are 'Murica). They will need to. I would assume we get a SP refund for suits. I wouldn't expect full respecs. I personally think they SHOULD do a full respec when the game gets out of beta (zing). But I think that won't happen. SP refund will be it. Do yourselves a favor and put the SP into core skills this time so we don't have to hear about it on the forums please (directed at mindless BB's, not OP). Should be interesting quite frankly, this next update...since "balance" to CCP means invincible vehicles and AV as powerful as my stream of p*ss after 8 beers. One can only logically assume my scout will be ultimate punching madrugars into orbit after they get "rebalanced" in a months time.
calvin b SCAVENGER'S DAUGHTER 1290	Posted - 2013.12.24 09:10:00 - [12] - Quote Rasatsu wrote: CCP should allow respecs for 100,000 AUR. The respec should also remove half of your SP permanently. Are you out of your mind. If I accepted your idea I would lose over 15 million SP and would still have to pay. What the F*** did you take and please please never take it again. TANK514 another sign of cancer in the game
Izlare Lenix FREE AGENTS LP 52	Posted - 2013.12.24 09:10:00 - [13] - Quote Syeven Reed wrote: Eve has a neural remap, one free skill point (EDIT: Attribute remap) rearrange a year, why can't dusties have that for our SP? EDIT: im generally against respecs as they enable people to choose, "flavor of the months". But with a harsh limit on them I dont have as much of a problem. Remaps are nothing like a respec. Remaps control how you gain SP not how to redistribute the sp you have already used. Respecs are bad, end of story. Also a side note. You gain SP twice as fast in Dust as you do in EVE, even faster with boosters. So those begging for respecs have no idea his easy dust players have it compared to EVE.
Jack McReady DUST University Ivy League 1017	Posted - 2013.12.24 09:37:00 - [14] - Quote BattleCry1791 wrote: Oh quit your whining already. Let's just face one simple fact The Game is still in Beta. Scout and Heavy racial variants? Tanks? LAVs? Heavy guns? Dropships? Installations? Pilot Dropsuits? Player Market? When these things are all introduced, then and only then, can anyone consider the game "released". And I'd propose that 14 days after that happens, no more respecs should ever be discussed. Until that happens, let's just be honest with ourselves. A lot of guys had quit playing this game because they spec'd into X, X got nerfed, and they didn't feel like grinding/AFKing to spec into something else. I have a clan full of such players. Well, that and a bunch of players that flat out don't trust CCP to do anything right. However, the old adage of "one fix and 8 screw ups" per patch seems to have fallen by the wayside (Did all the Zipper guys get fired or does the new cruise director have it going on?). As I come back to the game after the last couple of updates I've been very pleased with the changes I've seen. Biggest problem I'm seeing is the RR. The maps lend to that weapon SO well. Not sure how to fix that to be honest. Will adding more players for the 32 vs 32 help or hurt the problem? Time will tell. However I will say that it's not OP, but working as intended. Back the $100 dollar (US) Respec. Why not just allow for a respec as the game progresses? CCP, you'll make 20 grand the first day, and that's probably conservative. With the coming FOTM's that we have yet to see...why not give players the opportunity to respec just so long as they pay through the nose? I can tell you right now, I got two toons that I'd do it for. My main is so screwed up I can't play on him anymore (my heart is Minmatar, but my playstyle is actually Gallente Logi...18mil+ SP sunk in all the wrong places). And what about all the tankers that abandoned the game that would like to come back but spec'd out of tanking and don't want to grind? CCP offers AUR versions of plenty of gear to keep players competitive as they grind up their toons, but in reality, it's all about money and "micro transactions". I know all you "purists" will come running to the thread with "NO REPECS...CHOICES HAVE CONSEQUENCES"...and if the game was anywhere near finished or "pure" itself, I'd be inclined to agree. But it's not. In order to make an informed choice, you have to know all the variables that go into making that choice. Since we can't peer into the future of the army of "SOON"s that are yet to be, it's time to give it up and ask yourself one question. Do you want to have a playerbase? If yes, then just accept that this is still a F2P beta and player choice should trump all. you are missing the point. problem are not the nerfs but the constant core mechanic changes from the beginning of the "release" (lolrelease, lets be honest, this game is still beta). everyone talks about decisions and consequences but there are no real decisions. it is all lottery + consequences. player X skills into something, next patch the playstyle player X decided to go for got changed because CCP devs were again smoking something. the premise under which player X decided to spend SP was changed, thus his decision was made null and void in which case his decision was meaningless from the beginning on. second problem, player Y wants to go for minmatar heavy with HMG. oh wait, there is not minmatar heavy... player Y has now the choice to suck it up and skill into amarr heavy or quit. in short: CCP currently penalizes the players everytime he makes a decision. Alena Ventrallis wrote: Syeven Reed wrote: Eve has a neural remap, one free skill point (EDIT: Attribute remap) rearrange a year, why can't dusties have that for our SP? That isn't the same thing. it isnt the same thing BUT in EVE you get alot of more passive SP and a a Neural Remap can speed it up if you are focusing on something specific. you can make skill plan and take a break from the game for a month, then come back and enjoy something completely with decent amounts of SP in it. you can also buy a new character in the character bazaar. in dust, you have to play actively if you want to achieve something in a reasonable timeframe.
Lorhak Gannarsein 859	Posted - 2013.12.24 09:37:00 - [15] - Quote Blind Nojoy wrote: I'm sure something along the lines of what we saw with the vehicle changes is coming for infantry. When they add in the rest of the racial suits, and especially if they are changing the suit bonuses, which is the reason I chose Gallente in the first place (that and they are 'Murica). They will need to. I would assume we get a SP refund for suits. I wouldn't expect full respecs. I personally think they SHOULD do a full respec when the game gets out of beta (zing). But I think that won't happen. SP refund will be it. Do yourselves a favor and put the SP into core skills this time so we don't have to hear about it on the forums please (directed at mindless BB's, not OP). Should be interesting quite frankly, this next update...since "balance" to CCP means invincible vehicles and AV as powerful as my stream of pss after 8 beers. One can only logically assume my scout will be ultimate punching madrugars into orbit after they get "rebalanced" in a months time. Wait. You like* having a bonus to shields on your GalAssault? PRO tanker and proud. Lentarr Legionary.
boba's fetta Operation Clone Shield 136	Posted - 2013.12.24 09:43:00 - [16] - Quote i would never pay for a respec. but if others are willing to then im all for it.
Rasatsu Much Crying Old Experts 963	Posted - 2013.12.24 10:37:00 - [17] - Quote calvin b wrote: Rasatsu wrote: CCP should allow respecs for 100,000 AUR. The respec should also remove half of your SP permanently. Are you out of your mind. If I accepted your idea I would lose over 15 million SP and would still have to pay. What the F*** did you take and please please never take it again. Seems like a fair tradeoff for people chasing FOTMs.
Khan Hun Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic 49	Posted - 2013.12.24 10:56:00 - [18] - Quote Rather than a respec, a system where you pay 5000 AUR and get a refund of 90% the SPs from one skill (and any that are closed of by unlearning it, would be cool. E.g. I unlearn assault rifles, and get 90% of the SPs I've invested into the whole branch back for a small fee. Seems fair to me, 90% means it'd not be worth FOTMing every week, generates some revenue and lets people tweak their skills without removing every choice they ever made.
Aikuchi Tomaru Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 1417	Posted - 2013.12.24 11:05:00 - [19] - Quote BattleCry1791 wrote: Oh quit your whining already. Let's just face one simple fact The Game is still in Beta. Scout and Heavy racial variants? Tanks? LAVs? Heavy guns? Dropships? Installations? Pilot Dropsuits? Player Market? When these things are all introduced, then and only then, can anyone consider the game "released". And I'd propose that 14 days after that happens, no more respecs should ever be discussed. No it isn't. It was officially released. Content will be added all the time. And there's no difference between entirely new Dropsuits or just racial variants. So, regarding this fact: No more respecs should ever be discussed. Thank you.
Piraten Hovnoret No Tax Scrubs 139	Posted - 2013.12.24 11:14:00 - [20] - Quote I agree I this one. I will pay some dollars to respec sond of my sp. I can live with the hole "live with it" thing if there was not removing svd adding stuff al the time leaving you with ussles skills that got nerfed throw the grownd . Any way I am at a point where I may leave this game.

jenza aranda BetaMax. 2446	Posted - 2013.12.24 11:51:00 - [21] - Quote oh look, this thread again.... Dust 514 101 // Dust 514 Wiki
Malkai Inos Onikanabo Brigade Caldari State 1121	Posted - 2013.12.24 12:58:00 - [22] - Quote BattleCry1791 wrote: Oh quit your whining already. Never seen someone answer and end his own thread in the very first line. Kudos for that, OP. You can take a benign object, -you can take a cheeseburger and deconstruct it to its source...
BobThe 844-1 CakeMan Murder Cakes Of Doom 1348	Posted - 2013.12.24 13:01:00 - [23] - Quote O_O i thought pfb was dead. is this a new begining. BTW hows it been. o/ Main - BobThe843CakeMan Ringing for PC for a price, msg for details. Prices are based on who ur facing and how i feel.
Echo 1991 Deadly Blue Dots RISE of LEGION 18	Posted - 2013.12.24 13:09:00 - [24] - Quote Personally, if they limit respecs to once a year i dont see a single problem with it. It may lead to people choosing the FOTM but their is the chance that it could get nerfed or something that is better is released, this will then lead to them having to wait to respec to use it or put the SP they are earning into that specific skill. Also Quote: No it isn't. It was officially released. Content will be added all the time. And there's no difference between entirely new Dropsuits or just racial variants. So, regarding this fact: No more respecs should ever be discussed. Thank you. there is a difference between new content and things being left unfinished, they haven't added the racial variants of the dropsuits or the pilot suits, this isnt new content as such but a variation of a current suit. (pilot suits are a scout variant i believe)
BattleCry1791 PFB Pink Fluffy Bunnies 279	Posted - 2013.12.24 13:18:00 - [25] - Quote Aikuchi Tomaru wrote: BattleCry1791 wrote: Oh quit your whining already. Let's just face one simple fact The Game is still in Beta. Scout and Heavy racial variants? Tanks? LAVs? Heavy guns? Dropships? Installations? Pilot Dropsuits? Player Market? When these things are all introduced, then and only then, can anyone consider the game "released". And I'd propose that 14 days after that happens, no more respecs should ever be discussed. No it isn't. It was officially released. Content will be added all the time. And there's no difference between entirely new Dropsuits or just racial variants. So, regarding this fact: No more respecs should ever be discussed. Thank you. I believe I told you to GTFO in my OP did I not? You Purists and your garbage dogma is akin to saying "Nope, the car was released. It has 3 tires, a 4th tire, lugnuts, axle, etc will all be added later." Point is, the game is FAR from complete. Jack McReady, I am not wrong, I tend to write in book form anyways, so for the interest of time, I tend to save a little ammo for responses, but now I don't have to since you already did it for me. Bob, No, there is no official plan for PFB to return to DUST. I find myself kind of enjoying playing it as a Gallente Assault or a as a Heavy right now...I am not doing well tanking, I can tell you that. I still prefer the rail over the blaster and I can't hit infantry with it right now. Some of the guys passionately hate this game and I don't blame them. For some of us it's not just about the game play but what it did to the clan. Thanks for taking the time to drop in and say "Hi". "Hi" back at ya. Back to the point. People have bought $100 dollar packs for this game. There are some people that are literally sitting around ready to throw money at CCP. All they have to do is figure out ways to do it that won't break the game. Now back to the QQ.
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 2028	Posted - 2013.12.24 13:28:00 - [26] - Quote I wanted to be a vehicle pilot When it was 'released' we got a final respec I skilled back into tanks, 20mil later i had fully fitted out the vehicle tree to how i like it, 6months later they turn the vehicle tree upside down and make it more expenisve SP wise by a factor of 3, my 20mil wouldnt cut it, instead for what i had then i would have needed 60mil but i only had 32mil If i had a crystal ball i would have held onto all my SP after i maxed out the vehicle tree so the vehicle tree resuffle wouldnt have ****** me up I got punished for skilling into a secondary role So AUR respecs - im not against them, im just against bad ideas which also remove x% of SP from your total SP count if you choose the respec They could do neural remaps like in EVE, once a year you get a respec, you can use it anytime but once its gone its gone Intelligence is OP
Sinboto Simmons SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 3376	Posted - 2013.12.24 13:57:00 - [27] - Quote Izlare Lenix wrote: Syeven Reed wrote: Eve has a neural remap, one free skill point (EDIT: Attribute remap) rearrange a year, why can't dusties have that for our SP? EDIT: im generally against respecs as they enable people to choose, "flavor of the months". But with a harsh limit on them I dont have as much of a problem. Remaps are nothing like a respec. Remaps control how you gain SP not how to redistribute the sp you have already used. Respecs are bad, end of story. Also a side note. You gain SP twice as fast in Dust as you do in EVE, even faster with boosters. So those begging for respecs have no idea his easy dust players have it compared to EVE. As an EvE pilot I can tell you now that skilling into things in EvE is far less stressful, and far more profitable for what you get for it. Sinboto - The True Blood Minja Forum Warrior level 3 STB-Infantry (Demolition)
PLAYSTTION GamersForChrist Orion Empire 15	Posted - 2013.12.24 14:01:00 - [28] - Quote There will most likely be a respec in the future cause CCPs gonna work with the skill tree and change a bunch of stuff. I think all that is needed right now is a weapons sp refund cause of the new guns and when the new suits come a drop suit sp refund -Federal Marine-Open Beta Vet- Let Caldari Prime Burn
Jersey-Devil The Generals General Tso's Alliance 23	Posted - 2013.12.24 15:23:00 - [29] - Quote While I would really like a respec, I don't know if $100 should be the going price. I too have points spread around to try new items/weapons/suits, and yes I could grind to get more SP. A fresh start is, in my opinion, what's needed for some, to keep the game interesting/fun/competitive. Maybe a $25-50 fee that is usable once per account. Maybe a skill degenerator of some sorts that cost the same as the passives (cannot be used at the same time as the passive booster). Maybe a "memory wipe" of a skill tree for a fee that is usable once per month (we're clones to Pete's sake) Maybe, just maybe, a free one will be issued once the game becomes whole and that will be the end of it. As I have never played EVE, I can't compare the way/ways that SP are earned, and I can see the argument from EVE players and DUST vets who are against the respec (EVE apparently never received one). However, while in the same "universe", this is not EVE. I plan to continue grinding for SP, for I do think that no SP is wasted, it will be relevant at some point, it's just that after a lot of trial and error, and error, and error, I have found the play style that I enjoy the most, it only took me a year and a half, but I'm a slow learner. To those who knew what they wanted to do from the jump and perfected their craft, I commend you. To those like me, under 15 mil SP that are spread wider than a ***'s legs, a respec might come in handy. That's just my opinion, and if your a ***, I didn't mean to offend
Darken-Sol BIG BAD W0LVES 1030	Posted - 2013.12.24 15:23:00 - [30] - Quote Borne Velvalor wrote: You think that 200 players would pay $100 each for a respec? I do There was a time we fought good tankers. Now we just fight good tanks.



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