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BattleCry1791
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Posted - 2013.12.24 07:47:00 -
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Oh quit your whining already. Let's just face one simple fact
The Game is still in Beta.
Scout and Heavy racial variants? Tanks? LAVs? Heavy guns? Dropships? Installations? Pilot Dropsuits? Player Market?
When these things are all introduced, then and only then, can anyone consider the game "released". And I'd propose that 14 days after that happens, no more respecs should ever be discussed.
Until that happens, let's just be honest with ourselves. A lot of guys had quit playing this game because they spec'd into X, X got nerfed, and they didn't feel like grinding/AFKing to spec into something else. I have a clan full of such players. Well, that and a bunch of players that flat out don't trust CCP to do anything right.
However, the old adage of "one fix and 8 screw ups" per patch seems to have fallen by the wayside (Did all the Zipper guys get fired or does the new cruise director have it going on?).
As I come back to the game after the last couple of updates I've been very pleased with the changes I've seen. Biggest problem I'm seeing is the RR. The maps lend to that weapon SO well. Not sure how to fix that to be honest. Will adding more players for the 32 vs 32 help or hurt the problem? Time will tell. However I will say that it's not OP, but working as intended.
Back the $100 dollar (US) Respec.
Why not just allow for a respec as the game progresses? CCP, you'll make 20 grand the first day, and that's probably conservative. With the coming FOTM's that we have yet to see...why not give players the opportunity to respec just so long as they pay through the nose? I can tell you right now, I got two toons that I'd do it for. My main is so screwed up I can't play on him anymore (my heart is Minmatar, but my playstyle is actually Gallente Logi...18mil+ SP sunk in all the wrong places).
And what about all the tankers that abandoned the game that would like to come back but spec'd out of tanking and don't want to grind?
CCP offers AUR versions of plenty of gear to keep players competitive as they grind up their toons, but in reality, it's all about money and "micro transactions".
I know all you "purists" will come running to the thread with "NO REPECS...CHOICES HAVE CONSEQUENCES"...and if the game was anywhere near finished or "pure" itself, I'd be inclined to agree. But it's not. In order to make an informed choice, you have to know all the variables that go into making that choice. Since we can't peer into the future of the army of "SOON"s that are yet to be, it's time to give it up and ask yourself one question.
Do you want to have a playerbase? If yes, then just accept that this is still a F2P beta and player choice should trump all. |
BattleCry1791
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Posted - 2013.12.24 08:11:00 -
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Borne Velvalor wrote:You think that 200 players would pay $100 each for a respec? 
I said it, I'll stand by it. |
BattleCry1791
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Posted - 2013.12.24 13:18:00 -
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Aikuchi Tomaru wrote:BattleCry1791 wrote:Oh quit your whining already. Let's just face one simple fact
The Game is still in Beta.
Scout and Heavy racial variants? Tanks? LAVs? Heavy guns? Dropships? Installations? Pilot Dropsuits? Player Market?
When these things are all introduced, then and only then, can anyone consider the game "released". And I'd propose that 14 days after that happens, no more respecs should ever be discussed. No it isn't. It was officially released. Content will be added all the time. And there's no difference between entirely new Dropsuits or just racial variants. So, regarding this fact: No more respecs should ever be discussed. Thank you.
I believe I told you to GTFO in my OP did I not? You Purists and your garbage dogma is akin to saying "Nope, the car was released. It has 3 tires, a 4th tire, lugnuts, axle, etc will all be added later." Point is, the game is FAR from complete.
Jack McReady,
I am not wrong,
I tend to write in book form anyways, so for the interest of time, I tend to save a little ammo for responses, but now I don't have to since you already did it for me.
Bob,
No, there is no official plan for PFB to return to DUST. I find myself kind of enjoying playing it as a Gallente Assault or a as a Heavy right now...I am not doing well tanking, I can tell you that. I still prefer the rail over the blaster and I can't hit infantry with it right now. Some of the guys passionately hate this game and I don't blame them. For some of us it's not just about the game play but what it did to the clan. Thanks for taking the time to drop in and say "Hi". "Hi" back at ya.
Back to the point.
People have bought $100 dollar packs for this game. There are some people that are literally sitting around ready to throw money at CCP. All they have to do is figure out ways to do it that won't break the game.
Now back to the QQ. |
BattleCry1791
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Posted - 2013.12.24 17:10:00 -
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Rynoceros wrote:$100?
Are you ******* stupid?
On this game?
Seriously, **** you.
I already wasted enough money gaining that SP and then for some crybaby piece of **** to get my weapons nerfed because the server system is ****** and explosive damage was the only consistency through the lag (just one example)?
Eat ****, mother ******.
It's still in beta.
Until these fucktards can figure out the basics of their own ******* game, respecs shouldn't cost jack ****.
Mother ******* on here always act like CCP is in dire need of money, while CCP keeps opening and expanding new divisions.
$100? Yeah, **** that and **** you for even suggesting it.
Have you ever had a Marketing class? Do that first, then post marketing suggestions.
Wow, I think I struck a nerve. Lemme guess you work, or think you're good at Marketing? Well, bub, this ain't about marketing. This is about putting a price tag on a service that will both allow for the service, but discourage it at the same time.
Do you know what takes to respec an account? I don't. It may be easy, or it may take setting every tree to zero manually. Who's doing it? How much time does it take and how much are they being paid? What other duties are they not performing to do this task and how much more strategic is that task to current projects?
I love "marketing guys". Too stupid to be an engineer and to much of an asshat to be in sales.
The $100 dollar (US) Price tag is designed to:
1) Give CCP a fiscal incentive to do it on a regular basis. They WILL NOT do it for free on the player's schedule, only when they feel the need to do so, and it's a major headache.
2) Make it so that only either the most serious of Dust players or those with plenty of discretionary income (like me). There was already one "I don't know if I'd pay that much for a respec". What that says is that the poster of that comment wants the respec, so now we're just haggling price. Again, the price should be discouraging, hence, the higher pricetag.
Also, do you know how much Money Dust has made? Is it Solvent? Is CCP taking money from EvE's profit line to invest in these other divisions? Are you their accountant? No? Oh, well in that case, **** you, you ******* ****.
For an "old guy" you sure do sound a lot like a member of the "Money for nuthin" free entitlement generation. Get a haircut, hippie.
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BattleCry1791
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Posted - 2013.12.24 23:18:00 -
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Martyr Saboteur wrote:No. This has Pay 2 Win written all over it.
Situation:
A rich guy knows there will be a large number of HAVs in the next PC match, but doesn't have enough SP into AV to take them down of scare them away. But that isn't a problem because he is rich, and can just pay a measly $100 to get proto AV with proficiency V for the PC battle. He has just paid the developers to win.
Don't say someone wouldn't spent money like that even if they were rich, because they would. People have done things like this before in other games...
If this is pay to win, then so is every AUR mod on the market. In fact, those are even more so. You can pay to up your damage, shields...ANYTHING.
What I'm talking about is redistributing the points you've actually earned (understand that "earned" can mean AFK farming but still...there was a controller involved).
So if you think this is pay to win, then so is the ENTIRE game. |
BattleCry1791
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Posted - 2013.12.25 00:22:00 -
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mollerz wrote:$100 for a respec?
Oh, this must be Hilmar P+¬tursson's alt.
Trying for a harder 2014 bottom line, Hilmar?
Shhhhhhhhhhhh, the players are watching. |
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Posted - 2013.12.25 15:11:00 -
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Mobius Wyvern wrote:
No, Player choice should not trump all.
Also, you want to give people with tons of money the ability to stomp on anyone who isn't willing to drop $100 to always get with the FotM build?
Great way to lose the entire playerbase.
Now Mobius, I remember your name from the old days and with it comes the connotation of you being someone that generally has his act together. So I'll forgo the normal marginalizing of your post by calling you hotstuff, twinkie, sparky, skippy, or junior.
However, I feel the need to point something out. How does MORE player choice = LESS playerbase?
And why does everyone seem to miss out on the fact that the people with tons of money have been doing exactly what you've been talking about since the beta?
Anyone remember the guys from RND that used nothing but AUR gear for the first three months? how many millions of dollars of ISK do you think that saved them; that eventually went into PC coffers?
Am I taking crazy pills? Three people in this thread have brought up P2W, yet NO ONE has challenged my assertion that the game is generally P2W due to the nature of AUR items.
Think of ALL the things you can buy with actual real world money in this game. Better tanks, rifles, damage mods, shields, you name it, you can buy ABOVE YOUR SP LEVEL. Hell I did it. When getting ready for PC I dropped money on some Boundless HMG's because I didn't have the SP for it (went for proto forges instead).
Because of the PC portion of this game there are going to be competitive players that will throw money at it in hopes of getting a win. FOTM has nothing to do with it. If you're holding 15 to 1 KDR's and paying a hundred bucks to respec then yes, you are a tryharding douche.
That's not going to cover the majority of the players that want a respec. The majority of the players will want a respec because they didn't know that they (and I really mean me) completely SUCK with a combat rifle. I mean suuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck. I have a very with it clan member that spec'd into it as I was online and he goes "Hey, this thing isn't full auto?" He didn't read the fine print. Yes he's a moron for doing so, but if he has the cheddar (I often wonder if the Euro guys have hard times following my posts since I use so many US pop culture references?) then he gets to pay for his mistake, YET STILL ENJOY THE GAME AND THUS HE KEEPS PLAYING AND THAT KEEPS THE PLAYERBASE.
Why is this such a hard concept to grasp? This is easy.
And lastly, since this hasn't been brought up in the thread in a while, the pay for respec's wouldn't be forever. Once all the suits, huns, tanks, dropships, and the possibly the player market (Thale's for sale....get yer fresh hot Thale's for sale) I would insert a 14 day grace period and after that, no more respecs...ever. But while the game is still in flux, the PLAYERS....you know, they guys that make the game fiscally sustainable, should be able to flux with it, Marty (sorry, couldn't resist...flux...capacitor...Marty McFly....get it?).
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