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DeadlyAztec11 2867	Posted - 2013.12.23 07:25:00 - [1] - Quote Give them a weekly cap. So if I get a limited BPO of a Dragon Fly suit I will only be allowed say, 30 suits a week, after those thirty suits are used up I have to wait until the next week for the suits to replenish. Balancing factors: For the sake of balance you wouldn't be allowed more than two limited BPO's of the same item on a character. Also the amount of items would not carry over to the next week, so if my BPO gives me say 10 suits every week and I don't use them for three weeks, I would not have 30 suits I would have 10 as the amount resets each week nomatter what. For trading... You would not be able to trade more than two BPO items a week. This is to prevent people from transferring BPO items from alt accounts to their main every week. How CCP can continue to make profits After the initial quantity of BPO items are used up, give the player an option to buy Aurum equivalent items. We all know that people will blow through suits easily enough, give them the option to buy items and getting them immediately as opposed to waiting days will be a huge incentive to buy Aurum items. What do you guys think? I wanted to get players to work this out before making a mess in the feedback/request section. So comments? Questions? Support? I would appreciate it. »We still have our honor!
Lorhak Gannarsein Science For Death 840	Posted - 2013.12.23 07:36:00 - [2] - Quote SponkSponkSponk made a similar post a while back, only his was more like 'these BPO's will create x number of the item in question and add it to your inventory, allowing you even to sell the items that you're not using, making all BPO's useful'. He also suggested that this be temporary until they introduce industry. I like both ideas, tbh. PRO tanker and proud. Lentarr Legionary.
Necandi Brasil DUST BRASIL S.A Covert Intervention 576	Posted - 2013.12.23 07:38:00 - [3] - Quote I'm up for anything that brings nice camo's and colors to this game... Specially that blue metallic amarr medium suit... that always shows up in the market but I dont know where to buy it ... Tanks 514! Cheap, fast, Indestrucbible and you see tankers telling it's balanced... Just makes you want to quit this BS
Viktor Hadah Jr Critical-Impact 1575	Posted - 2013.12.23 07:40:00 - [4] - Quote As long as my current unlimited BPO's stat unlimited they can go ahead and introduce limited BPO's. Amarr! Try EVE Online Selling Templar BPO
boba's fetta Operation Clone Shield 134	Posted - 2013.12.23 07:43:00 - [5] - Quote or maybe you could copy your bpo's and we can call thesse blueprint copyies, or bpc for short.
Jaysyn Larrisen OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 554	Posted - 2013.12.23 08:23:00 - [6] - Quote DeadlyAztec11 wrote: Give them a weekly cap. So if I get a limited BPO of a Dragon Fly suit I will only be allowed say, 30 suits a week, after those thirty suits are used up I have to wait until the next week for the suits to replenish. Balancing factors: For the sake of balance you wouldn't be allowed more than two limited BPO's of the same item on a character. Also the amount of items would not carry over to the next week, so if my BPO gives me say 10 suits every week and I don't use them for three weeks, I would not have 30 suits I would have 10 as the amount resets each week nomatter what. For trading... You would not be able to trade more than two BPO items a week. This is to prevent people from transferring BPO items from alt accounts to their main every week. How CCP can continue to make profits After the initial quantity of BPO items are used up, give the player an option to buy Aurum equivalent items. We all know that people will blow through suits easily enough, give them the option to buy items and getting them immediately as opposed to waiting days will be a huge incentive to buy Aurum items. What do you guys think? I wanted to get players to work this out before making a mess in the feedback/request section. So comments? Questions? Support? I would appreciate it. Pretty close to what I posted here: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=130765&find=unread I've been saying this since the announcement they were going to pull all BPOs.
DeadlyAztec11 2871	Posted - 2013.12.23 10:13:00 - [7] - Quote Jaysyn Larrisen wrote: Pretty close to what I posted here: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=130765&find=unread I've been saying this since the announcement they were going to pull all BPOs. Except I do not want to remove regular BPO's, nor do I wish to use BPO's to be used for manufacturing. »We still have our honor!
Driftward Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 630	Posted - 2014.01.17 21:17:00 - [8] - Quote The problem with the unlimited BPOs is that they are currently industry/market breaking. Removes any incentive to purchase those items/they never deplete which is completely opposite to one of the main features of this game (persistent with consequences to dying beyond "stats") I would support turning all BPO's into a recharging type item that puts either BPC copies into your inventory or gives a limited amount of uses that doesn't rollover (though I think rollover would be fine, much better than the current mechanism)
Borne Velvalor Endless Hatred 2159	Posted - 2014.01.17 21:26:00 - [9] - Quote Rechargeable BPOs are fine with me, but, then again, I've always been fine with all infantry BPOs. Really don't want BPOs to go away for good. Many suits I've worn, many burdens I've borne, for the oaths I've sworn. Panda.
Rusty Shallows 818	Posted - 2014.01.17 21:28:00 - [10] - Quote Driftward wrote: The problem with the unlimited BPOs is that they are currently industry/market breaking. Removes any incentive to purchase those items/they never deplete which is completely opposite to one of the main features of this game (persistent with consequences to dying beyond "stats") I would support turning all BPO's into a recharging type item that puts either BPC copies into your inventory or gives a limited amount of uses that doesn't rollover (though I think rollover would be fine, much better than the current mechanism) If they really wanted anything bought with AUR can be refunded and the skinweaves just taken away. However anything part of a package are purchased item. Any changes are sticky legal ground. The virtual market issue is an imaginary problem. The seriously messed up hidden mission-contract to determine payouts is a very real problem. MCC Lounge Lizard Forums > Game Fix the game CCP

Maken Tosch Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation 6488	Posted - 2014.01.17 21:30:00 - [11] - Quote If you're going to re-introduce the BPOs, the only best course is to make them require materials to produce. Any BPOs you own previously should remain unchanged. OK, CCP. When are knives finally going to be improved? *CLOSED BETA VETERAN SINCE REPLICATION BUILD*
Kristoff Atruin Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 1543	Posted - 2014.01.17 21:31:00 - [12] - Quote I've had this idea before too. I'd have no problems if my BPOs were only good for so many free items per week / day. As long as the number of freebies wasn't absurdly low. Economically it'd still be slightly unfair to the people who don't have them, but that's not much different than Eve's T2 blueprints.
Aramis Madrigal SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 94	Posted - 2014.01.17 21:46:00 - [13] - Quote I have x2 of all the Dren, Toxin and Dragonfly BPOs from pack purchases, plus a few others, but don't really care what happens to them (until they can be transferred in which case my inner capitalist will have to do battle with my inner completionalist). If they are removed with some sort of fair compensation given, that is fine with me. I do like the idea that they would create X amount of units a week that could be used or sold as I see fit. It would be some nice ancillary income. Other than the toxin SMG, I almost never use my BPOs except for the occasional throw away logi or expendable LAV. I think many of those who are in possession of enough BPOs to make (nearly) complete fits are the same people who greatly benefitted from the fire sale of salvage and thus are those least in need of continued free suits. That being said, they were purchased under the auspices that they would remain free and unlimited, so maybe they should stay that way. Well, I wrote a fair amount without saying much... -Aramis
Jack Kittinger molon labe. Public Disorder. 81	Posted - 2014.01.17 22:13:00 - [14] - Quote Lorhak Gannarsein wrote: 'these BPO's will create x number of the item in question and add it to your inventory, allowing you even to sell the items that you're not using, making all BPO's useful'. He also suggested that this be temporary until they introduce industry. I like this a lot. as OP said, charges per week seems fair and not the least bit infinite but the $50 I spent on the vet pack make me say let (me) make profit / (others) try a bpc of this neat-looking Sever Logi
T8R Raid BIG BAD W0LVES 137	Posted - 2014.01.17 22:18:00 - [15] - Quote OR start billing them out as if they aren't free for battle payouts. There's a way around it. and since all the items blueprint mimics, not a single one is over 3,000 ISK. I don't see a problem. Just developers crying over how much work they don't want to do. If they are talking about removing blueprints for economical reason, they should remove AUR items and loyalty items. They're just being lazy. Take example of their laziness, the science facility used to lag out soooo horribly, all they did was up the memory and the lag was gone overnight in a hotfix, 4 months late. If you don't have blueprints, then SUCKS to be you. Unchecked dishonesty can promote the perception that one must cheat to remain competitive.
Yelhsa Jin-Mao TheLostLegion 238	Posted - 2014.01.17 23:09:00 - [16] - Quote BPOs were a commodity, and like all commodities we had to pay extra for them. Like all commodities there are those who have and those who don't, you call it unfair, I call it un-*******-lucky. No market is balanced, there are the 1% and the 99%, rich monopolies and welfare scrubs, BPO Collectors and the lesser BPC users. I can has ISK
NextDark Knight Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 127	Posted - 2014.01.17 23:15:00 - [17] - Quote Just saying, BPOs where marketed and sold as unlimited items. People purchased AUR strictly to buy these BPOs. What is already in game should be renamed to BPU, which is short for unlimited. Then BPOs can be released to work like Eve like BPOs. The lore behind this can be manufactures gave out BPUs to the first few rounds of New Eden Mercenaries to sponsor and advertise there weapons. The manufacture handles all cost behind BPUs to advertise there companies production might on the battlefield. You would be lucky to be the holder of one of these Rare BPUs; New Eden Mega Corps handle all logistics in providing a merc with a lethal weapon on the battlefield in a endless advertising campaign on there equipment's might. " Forge Changes needed Officer Splash 3.0, Proto 2.7 Advanced 2.5 Standard 2.1.
NextDark Knight Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 127	Posted - 2014.01.17 23:20:00 - [18] - Quote Just saying, how much taxes are collected by NPC corps? This way CCP keeps it's promise to it's customers, The game has a way to explain why and how BPUs work. Everyone is happy cause this opens up the gateway for real BPOs and BPC creation in the future. Thanks CCP Logibro for providing a link to this thread. Forge Changes needed Officer Splash 3.0, Proto 2.7 Advanced 2.5 Standard 2.1.
Alaika Arbosa Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Interstellar Murder of Crows 1351	Posted - 2014.01.17 23:23:00 - [19] - Quote Ooh, oooh, I've got one of those things, a headache with pictures!!!! Let us keep our BPOs and allow us to make copies of them, which we can then sell on the market or via contract. Don't release anymore of them, though allow people to reverse engineer items to make their own (inferior) BPCs. It should be a craps shoot and work best with AUR items. The item should be used up in the process and if successful, it'll give them a 5-10 run BPC. CCP continues to make ISK, we get to keep our BPOs and it opens the economy some. This could be our T2 BPOs and invention!!! Praise St. Arzad and Pass the Nanohives Karin Midular, gone, never forgotten Executing Amarr Trash since Closed Beta
Onesimus Tarsus 857	Posted - 2014.01.17 23:42:00 - [20] - Quote Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: As long as my current unlimited BPO's stay unlimited they can go ahead and introduce limited BPO's. Because, like they said the words "never run out" in the description and stuff. I am the worst player in DUST 514. Come clone me out.

Nirwanda Vaughns 270	Posted - 2014.01.18 00:28:00 - [21] - Quote Lorhak Gannarsein wrote: SponkSponkSponk made a similar post a while back, only his was more like 'these BPO's will create x number of the item in question and add it to your inventory, allowing you even to sell the items that you're not using, making all BPO's useful'. He also suggested that this be temporary until they introduce industry. I like both ideas, tbh. i've mentioned plenty of times about introducing manufacturing to DUST too. with a manufacturing skill giving 1 mnaufacturing job per level and manufacturing efficient giving 10% per level to... well manufacturing efficiency and have each suit BPO allo you to produce 20 suits base per day (30 with efficiency 5) meanign with both skills at level 5 you're lookign at 150 suits. the materials to build weapons, dropsuits and vehicles could be given out as salvage from the Drone Infestation mode CCP have teased or bought in LP store (racial specific construction parts) and if CCP opened up BPOs for all items liek they do it EVE then it could be a great way for new players to gain a steady income by saving isk for a bpo to sell or use thier AR's or Suits, corps could supply new recruits with an introductory starter pack with weapons, suits and vehicles. and yes some peopel will blah blah bloah about it being complicated, but so were a lot of things in DUST until we learned and in New Eden the greatest learnign tool is word of mouth. peopel come to forums askign how to do it. vets like us tell them or they ask corp mates how to do it. nothing in DUST or EVE is ever too complicated because the playerbase shares its knowledge. Proto and proud!!
knight of 6 SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 1148	Posted - 2014.01.18 01:09:00 - [22] - Quote there is a certain degree of beauty in simplicity of design. this isn't simple... at all. I have read similar topics prior and the recurring question is, "why? what do you want?" bpos are a means to an end, what is that end and what is the simplest way to attain it? bpos are OP that is why they were never good, imo any bpo above militia was a mistake. imagine a standard HAV bpo, even if it gave you 1 tank a week that would still pay for it self in like a month, proto, hell, advanced dropsuits? no they'd pay for themselves in minutes. it would be undeniably P2W. knowing that bpos can never be good without being P2W, why would you want them? the cool color schemes: why not just release unlimited use aur skin packs? you still need to buy all the suits you use so it's not OP and can even be put on really high tier items such as HAVs and proto dropsuits. don't have to buy items: this one is the one I really, you just lose me on. do you really want unlimited MLT armor repairers? they're like 600 isk just go buy them. are you thinking I would buy MLT armor reps, but thy're not worth the isk? then ask to get them buffed. "God favors the side with the best artillery" ~ Napoleon Ko6, scout. CLOSED BETA VET
Kristoff Atruin Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 1543	Posted - 2014.01.18 07:13:00 - [23] - Quote BPOs aren't OP, that's just silly. They're outclassed by most items being deployed. The problem with them is screwing up the economy. Last I heard they aren't planning to introduce the manufacturing component to Dust (they may let Eve players build our stuff), but if they changed it so that your BPO would produce x number of items in a given time period it would actually make sense. That's how BPOs work in Eve, you pop it into a factory which chews on it for anywhere from a few minutes to a month for capital ship stuff and then it spits out a pile of stuff. Only difference is that our BPOs wouldn't require minerals. If they did take this approach owning BPOs would still be a huge advantage. You'd basically get a pile of free gear every day to farm isk with. It's isk without risk.
NK Scout Storm Wind Strikeforce Caldari State 3	Posted - 2014.01.18 07:20:00 - [24] - Quote knight of 6 wrote: there is a certain degree of beauty in simplicity of design. this isn't simple... at all. I have read similar topics prior and the recurring question is, "why? what do you want?" bpos are a means to an end, what is that end and what is the simplest way to attain it? bpos are OP that is why they were never good, imo any bpo above militia was a mistake. imagine a standard HAV bpo, even if it gave you 1 tank a week that would still pay for it self in like a month, proto, hell, advanced dropsuits? no they'd pay for themselves in minutes. it would be undeniably P2W. knowing that bpos can never be good without being P2W, why would you want them? the cool color schemes: why not just release unlimited use aur skin packs? you still need to buy all the suits you use so it's not OP and can even be put on really high tier items such as HAVs and proto dropsuits. don't have to buy items: this one is the one I really, you just lose me on. do you really want unlimited MLT armor repairers? they're like 600 isk just go buy them. are you thinking I would buy MLT armor reps, but thy're not worth the isk? then ask to get them buffed. I dispise militia bpo's they are pure ******* garbage and pointless
Regis Blackbird DUST University Ivy League 70	Posted - 2014.01.18 08:08:00 - [25] - Quote I am a supporter of manufacturing, and I guess the OPs suggestion is the simplest form, since all the "manufacturing" takes place in lore and not in-game. However, it still manufacture stuff out of thin air, which is the fundamental flaw with the current BPO mechanic (IMHO). With the advent of the open market we will have a lot of stuff in our inventory which will be worth next to nothing (militia stuff). In EVE you can process items to get minerals, which in many cases can be worth more than the item itself. If we can do the same we could use the minerals to manufacture copies from our BPOs, with the efficiency determined by new skills. This would of course need to be balanced so that a person with no interest in manufacturing (people who want to keep BPOs as is) can produce enough items to sustain him from his salvage without much hassle (with the current BPOs). However a person more interest and skill can make a profit from it by selling the resulting items.
TechMechMeds Swamp Tempo 2197	Posted - 2014.01.18 08:20:00 - [26] - Quote Those are called bpcs, you can manufacture them in eve from bpos I believe. As long as your not proposing that my bpos I bought become bpcs then I'm not fussed, I'm sure that's precisely what you are asking for except that I get a set amount of them to use per week or day so in a sense they remain unlimited but limited usage per week or day so I'll have to disagree. Ps I'm tired as fk lol. Level 2 forum warrior. Swamp iz on dat welevant flex fam I sold my family to the Amarr for isk, its a valid tactic
TechMechMeds Swamp Tempo 2197	Posted - 2014.01.18 08:24:00 - [27] - Quote Kristoff Atruin wrote: BPOs aren't OP, that's just silly. They're outclassed by most items being deployed. The problem with them is screwing up the economy. Last I heard they aren't planning to introduce the manufacturing component to Dust (they may let Eve players build our stuff), but if they changed it so that your BPO would produce x number of items in a given time period it would actually make sense. That's how BPOs work in Eve, you pop it into a factory which chews on it for anywhere from a few minutes to a month for capital ship stuff and then it spits out a pile of stuff. Only difference is that our BPOs wouldn't require minerals. If they did take this approach owning BPOs would still be a huge advantage. You'd basically get a pile of free gear every day to farm isk with. It's isk without risk. This makes it sounds pretty good actually. Level 2 forum warrior. Swamp iz on dat welevant flex fam I sold my family to the Amarr for isk, its a valid tactic
SponkSponkSponk The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine 618	Posted - 2014.01.18 11:16:00 - [28] - Quote Lorhak Gannarsein wrote: SponkSponkSponk made a similar post a while back, only his was more like 'these BPO's will create x number of the item in question and add it to your inventory, allowing you even to sell the items that you're not using, making all BPO's useful'. He also suggested that this be temporary until they introduce industry. I like both ideas, tbh. sup. Link to my suggestion: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1429332 "Pulvis et umbra sumus. (We are but dust and shadow.)" GÇò Horace, The Odes of Horace
Aizen Intiki Hell's Gate Inc League of Infamy 707	Posted - 2014.01.18 16:12:00 - [29] - Quote Nope, rather we should just wait until manufacturing comes out, then they bring in regular BPO's into the market like how it is in EVE. The BPO's we have now should never be on sale ever again. EVER. "Hello, world!" lol, sounds like something a whore lover would say Alt of the great Godin I like chocolate ^___^
Beamer 325 Hellstorm Incorporation 5	Posted - 2014.01.18 18:36:00 - [30] - Quote OMG! NEVER gonna happen in a million years. Did anyone see what happened when 4 were removed? I now have around 60 bpo's left. Some doubles/triples/ect. I MIGHT be willing to sell them back to CCP for a good market price. NOT purchase price. UNLIMTED means just that, UNLIMITED. They would have to update EULA which I will NOT agree to. If CCP did not want more Bpo's in the game, why add all the packs, templar codes?

Heavenly Daughter the Aurum Grinder and Company 296	Posted - 2014.01.18 22:44:00 - [31] - Quote DeadlyAztec11 wrote: Give them a weekly cap. So if I get a limited BPO of a Dragon Fly suit I will only be allowed say, 30 suits a week, after those thirty suits are used up I have to wait until the next week for the suits to replenish. Balancing factors: For the sake of balance you wouldn't be allowed more than two limited BPO's of the same item on a character. Also the amount of items would not carry over to the next week, so if my BPO gives me say 10 suits every week and I don't use them for three weeks, I would not have 30 suits I would have 10 as the amount resets each week nomatter what. For trading... You would not be able to trade more than two BPO items a week. This is to prevent people from transferring BPO items from alt accounts to their main every week. How CCP can continue to make profits After the initial quantity of BPO items are used up, give the player an option to buy Aurum equivalent items. We all know that people will blow through suits easily enough, give them the option to buy items and getting them immediately as opposed to waiting days will be a huge incentive to buy Aurum items. What do you guys think? I wanted to get players to work this out before making a mess in the feedback/request section. So comments? Questions? Support? I would appreciate it. Nice idea's but numbers are very curtailing, I don't know how many lives i loose a day when I play for an entire day. i guess it would be more than 10, I see people loosing that in one game. If you want to limit the number per day, it will have to be far more than 10. Also don't limit replenishment to just Aurum, NO WAY WILL I PAY AURUM for suits every week to use in dust. The BPO should be just as they are in eve, purchase a BPO on the market and it can be used as many times as you like in a week. If there is no similarity in the BPO to that of eve there is no point in the BPO at all, the same rules must therefore apply. The Organ Grinder & Co. EVE Heavenly Daughter-Merc Records
Patrick57 Fatal Absolution Covert Intervention 4037	Posted - 2014.01.18 22:47:00 - [32] - Quote So, say I have two BPOs of the same thing. Would I get 60 of those suits to use each week, or just the initial 30? Winner of at least 9 King ThunderBolt hate videos :D
DeadlyAztec11 Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 3336	Posted - 2014.01.18 23:51:00 - [33] - Quote Patrick57 wrote: So, say I have two BPOs of the same thing. Would I get 60 of those suits to use each week, or just the initial 30? 60. My alts: General John Ripper, Draxus Prime, MoonEagle A, Long Evity And this is why I am the #1 forum warrior
Kigurosaka Laaksonen DUST University Ivy League 151	Posted - 2014.01.18 23:57:00 - [34] - Quote You want BPOs back? Bring in industry. DUST 514 Recruit Code - https://dust514.com/recruit/zluCyb/ EVE Buddy Invite - Too damn long. Ask me for it.
Flint Beastgood III GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention 469	Posted - 2014.01.19 15:38:00 - [35] - Quote Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: As long as my current unlimited BPO's stay unlimited they can go ahead and introduce limited BPO's. ^ This! Gÿó +¦ +¦ Gÿó Trained Skills
Kaze Eyrou SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 430	Posted - 2014.01.19 16:46:00 - [36] - Quote Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: As long as my current unlimited BPO's stay unlimited they can go ahead and introduce limited BPO's. This // Support Logi / Logi Bro // Forge Gunner // @KazeEyrou
Fire of Prometheus DUST University Ivy League 3043	Posted - 2014.01.19 17:09:00 - [37] - Quote I'd rather have it carry over and then we are able to sell the copies on the market. And how about you are only allowed up to 5 BPOs to produce copies at a time? Commando 6 // A.R.C Commander // D-Uni instructor A Balac's and a Thale's.....What's on your commando? Forum warrior 3
Bethhy Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 866	Posted - 2014.01.19 17:12:00 - [38] - Quote The Salvage system and BPO system in DUST needs overhauling in mirror of EVE/ You should get multiple pieces of equipment and weapons that you can assemble with BPO's and create a crafting system even around officer weapons. A blueprint that prints off suits with no cost of resources will NEVER make sense in New Eden Lore...
Kara Anschel Tech Guard RISE of LEGION 5	Posted - 2014.01.19 17:36:00 - [39] - Quote I actually really like this idea, bring our BPOs a little closer to EVE's version of BPOs. But Imma cut the first ***** to try and touch my Syndicate SMG.
crazy space 1 GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention 2140	Posted - 2014.01.20 01:49:00 - [40] - Quote YES YES YES! I'm glad to see this idea finally getting some support. I don't want to lose my skinweave logi with 2 equipment slots :/ Or my dragonfly suit. The weekly reset could easily be tied to the sp cap reset.

crazy space 1 GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention 2142	Posted - 2014.01.20 01:51:00 - [41] - Quote Bethhy wrote: The Salvage system and BPO system in DUST needs overhauling in mirror of EVE/ You should get multiple pieces of equipment and weapons that you can assemble with BPO's and create a crafting system even around officer weapons. A blueprint that prints off suits with no cost of resources will NEVER make sense in New Eden Lore... tech 2 blueprint bpos can be used to print out blueprints which sell for a ton of isk and costs basically nothing. Bahahahahahah. To be fair though I don't mind where you are going with this post. What if instead of a weekly cap it was refilled by isk? So it could at least act like an isk sink once the NPC market is gone and we have the player market. They could bring back BPOs for AUR with special paintjobs, I would buy them as long as they don't take AUR to refill.. that would be an awful idea.
Cross Atu OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 1828	Posted - 2014.01.20 06:00:00 - [42] - Quote Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: As long as my current unlimited BPO's stay unlimited they can go ahead and introduce limited BPO's. +1 :) /OP some good ideas for more possible choices in game SupportSP Rollover & an improved Recruting System
CRNWLLC Screwy Rabbit ULC 1	Posted - 2014.01.21 19:49:00 - [43] - Quote BPOs are no problem at all, for the market or gameplay. They're all (almost, maybe with the exception of the Master Recruiter Assault C-II?) standard level at best, meaning that without skill points allocated sensibly, they offer no advantage to the player other than an itty bitty ISK savings and increasing the time between restocks. Here's how I look at it: if a player is unskilled and dies all the time, no sweat off my back if he saves a little ISK constantly running BPO gear. My skills are better, my gear is better, I don't die as often because I'm not running around a like headless chicken, throwing my scout suit in front of heavies or attempting to snipe from the middle of a road. If a player is good and has a lot of skill points intelligently invested in his style(s) of play and rolls BPOs, he will tear up most noobs anyway, but will be at no advantage facing off against a similarly veteran player, and will actually be at a disadvantage if that player is rocking advanced+ gear. Thus, he would be more inclined to use advanced+ level gear and suits, too. For these reasons, I don't see how BPOs can be seriously labeled OP or unfair. Instead of all the bellyaching about older players having them vs. newer players not, or players who bought packs/collections vs. those who strictly want to play-for-free, why not just offer a set of BPO choices (eg, a choice of suit, H/L weapon, side arm, and maybe some mods/equipment) to players when they get 50,000 WPs or their 1000th kill? This creates a small barrier to entry toward the end of rewarding loyalty, while at the same time ensuring such players (those at least somewhat dedicated to the game/community) have a similar background of BPO stuff to play around with. Then, all the pretty colored suits can be the purview of fanboys that spend a lot of money on collector's editions, etc. (myself included o_0). This also has the advantage of allowing newer players to get a feel for their preferred play style(s) before getting a bunch of BPOs that might not actually be of use to them. BPOs are awesome, IMO, mostly because they save me the hassle of restocking cheap equipment (drop uplinks, etc.) or sidearms that I mostly equip "for looks" anyway. They don't mess up the economy because there is no economy--individual players use their ISK/AUR to buy in-game crap from the Dust marketplace, which is completely owned and operated by CCP. Until ISK/AUR flows between players, there's only a market, regulated arbitrarily by CCP. The idea of reverse engineering BPOs to make BPCs is not workable since mercs don't have the means of harvesting resources, so where would they acquire the means to produce gear from BPCs? Sounds like a huge headache and a lot of design work. BPOs are only for standard level gear anyway. Of course, I like the idea of sniping a red that's busy hacking away at a tritanium deposit in the middle of battle... Seriously, though--Dust is not a sandbox game, it's an FPS, so poo-poo to manufacturing. The idea of an endless blueprint makes perfect sense, in the same way that my always-extant Genolution 'Auroral' AU-79 implant makes perfect sense in EVE. My toons have mad clout with the corporations of New Eden (ie, I payed CCP RL money and this is my reward). So, I say, "Long live BPOs in their current form (and maybe bring them back in a limited way to assuage noob's feelings)!" Have you seen my baseball?
Tallen Ellecon KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 1282	Posted - 2014.01.22 00:08:00 - [44] - Quote BPOs now give me 3 things 1. Gear I don't have to spec into 2. Gear I don't have to restock 3. Gear with unique skins If they nerf aspect 1 I wouldn't mind if I could get a refund on militia BPOs, I'm specced into every module anyway I just use them to save abit of ISK. If something were done to suits in order to make them easier to spec into (basic suits.. da fuq) I wouldn't mind BPOs losing that functionality. This aspect is important to me, because I can focus all my SP on the suits and gear I use proffesionally. I can live with them losing aspect 2 as well. Again as long I can get a refund on militia BPOs. I have plenty of ISK, and with the addition of player market I can stay profitable, especially since all the modules are standard or militia grade anyway. I don't mind paying for any of the gear, though the ability to build a free customized starter fit level suit allows more casual gameplay. Aspect 3 is the one that is a bit trickier, especially for my Templar gear. I would feel cheated if I was just handed any limited number of the BPO gear I purchased. This is where the idea of having a BPO like in EVE would make sense for all the non militia level BPOs. I think the idea already given for having BPOs create a limited number of items a week, but I could see it still creating an imbalance in the open market as there would be a flood of identical ARs lowering the prices making them far more widely used as the cheap alternative. Same goes for Caldari Assaults and LAVs. If a future manufacturing process used BPOs then either the new BPOs would have to be priced accordingly (with Aurum) and if not the old BPOs would have to have an advantage or major compensation (maybe max material level and production efficieny) To be fair though as someone who has almost every BPO I don't see the harm in them existing. Assuming this game grows then the BPO owners will slowly become a smaller and smaller force on the market. If it weren't for the basic suits it would take less than 500,000 SP to access all the gear and only a couple thousand ISK to fit it. BPOs are just a step above starter fits, which have the same economic consequenses, but no one is talking about nerfing them. Where is my Gallente sidearm? 1.8? When is that? SoonGäó514
Maximus Stryker Who Are Those Guys 790	Posted - 2014.01.29 17:07:00 - [45] - Quote Maximus Stryker wrote: I think BPOs are important to new characters and a decent way to generate some AUR sales for CCP. Thus, the simplest conclusion I can draw is to make BPOs Temporary Just like we have boosters for a day/week/month, buy a BPO for a day/week/month. Ex: Purchase an Exile assault rifle for 2000 AUR and get unlimited supply for 1 month Purchase an Exile assault rifle for 500 AUR and get unlimited supply for 1 week Purchase an Exile assault rifle for 100 AUR and get unlimited supply for 1 day Maybe you need to change the name of them if the name BPO implies "unlimited to infinity forever" but I can't think of a reason this wouldn't work. Has anyone mentioned this idea already? I haven't been following the issue. Thoughts? #171Posted: 2013.10.23 19:32 *Faction Channels for FW Staging* PIE Ground Control \| Caldari Hierarchy \| Turalyon \| Chosen Matari
Jakobi Wan Legions of Infinite Dominion 63	Posted - 2014.01.31 11:14:00 - [46] - Quote Lorhak Gannarsein wrote: SponkSponkSponk made a similar post a while back, only his was more like 'these BPO's will create x number of the item in question and add it to your inventory, allowing you even to sell the items that you're not using, making all BPO's useful'. He also suggested that this be temporary until they introduce industry. I like both ideas, tbh. ...introduce industry is the best answer
Draco Cerberus BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance 762	Posted - 2014.02.23 23:22:00 - [47] - Quote Let us sell the BPOs to Eve players to manufacture for ungodly amounts of ISK, anyone want to buy a BPO suit? 10bil Dust isk please. LogiGod earns his pips
calvin b Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 1543	Posted - 2014.02.24 00:05:00 - [48] - Quote Limiting a BPO is just stupid. 30, really a week. If you said 300 I might be inclined but I play a lot and 30 is a slap in the face. A heavy before 1.8
DeadlyAztec11 Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 4400	Posted - 2014.02.24 00:14:00 - [49] - Quote calvin b wrote: Limiting a BPO is just stupid. 30, really a week. If you said 300 I might be inclined but I play a lot and 30 is a slap in the face. It's suppose to be an incentive to buy more Aur items. Also, 30 items a week isn't bad, many people don't even play enough to lose half of that. You lose all thirty items, then a window pops up asking if you would like to buy Aurum equivalent items. Perfectly legit micro transactions that would not be P2W. My alts: General John Ripper, Draxus Prime, MoonEagle A, Anarchide, Long Evity And this is why I am the #1 forum warrior
medomai grey WarRavens League of Infamy 408	Posted - 2014.02.24 00:29:00 - [50] - Quote DeadlyAztec11 wrote: Give them a weekly cap. So if I get a limited BPO of a Dragon Fly suit I will only be allowed say, 30 suits a week, after those thirty suits are used up I have to wait until the next week for the suits to replenish. Balancing factors: For the sake of balance you wouldn't be allowed more than two limited BPO's of the same item on a character. Also the amount of items would not carry over to the next week, so if my BPO gives me say 10 suits every week and I don't use them for three weeks, I would not have 30 suits I would have 10 as the amount resets each week nomatter what. For trading... You would not be able to trade more than two BPO items a week. This is to prevent people from transferring BPO items from alt accounts to their main every week. Trade restrictions and limits on how many you can own would discourage people from buying them from CCP as well as from other players. Though the old idea that BPOs should generate gear over time is a good one. DeadlyAztec11 wrote: How CCP can continue to make profits After the initial quantity of BPO items are used up, give the player an option to buy Aurum equivalent items. We all know that people will blow through suits easily enough, give them the option to buy items and getting them immediately as opposed to waiting days will be a huge incentive to buy Aurum items. What do you guys think? I wanted to get players to work this out before making a mess in the feedback/request section. So comments? Questions? Support? I would appreciate it. Your idea for "How CCP can continue to makes profits" would honestly pi$s off CCPs consumers rather than encourage them to buy AUR gear. Blatant Dust_514 recruiting in the silliest of places. :P

Tectonic Fusion 1117	Posted - 2014.02.24 01:01:00 - [51] - Quote You expect my Dragonfly scout die less than 30 times a week... Solo Player Squad status: Locked
Miokai Zahou The Southern Legion 149	Posted - 2014.02.24 01:10:00 - [52] - Quote Messing with my paid-direct-with-cash bpos (Templar/Dren) gear is a big no on my part because I was sold on unlimited usage and I expect unlimited usage for them. The aurum bpos I'm good with but your suggestions on all bpos to turn into cap like that can go to the toilet be flushed with the rest of the ****** ideas. Noob isn't really a status, it's the online equivalent of a 5-year old calling you a poopy fart head.
DeadlyAztec11 Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 4400	Posted - 2014.02.24 01:30:00 - [53] - Quote Miokai Zahou wrote: Messing with my paid-direct-with-cash bpos (Templar/Dren) gear is a big no on my part because I was sold on unlimited usage and I expect unlimited usage for them. The aurum bpos I'm good with but your suggestions on all bpos to turn into cap like that can go to the toilet be flushed with the rest of the ****** ideas. These would be separate from unlimited BPO's, they would not affect them at all. My alts: General John Ripper, Draxus Prime, MoonEagle A, Anarchide, Long Evity And this is why I am the #1 forum warrior
DeadlyAztec11 Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 4400	Posted - 2014.02.24 01:32:00 - [54] - Quote medomai grey wrote: DeadlyAztec11 wrote: Give them a weekly cap. So if I get a limited BPO of a Dragon Fly suit I will only be allowed say, 30 suits a week, after those thirty suits are used up I have to wait until the next week for the suits to replenish. Balancing factors: For the sake of balance you wouldn't be allowed more than two limited BPO's of the same item on a character. Also the amount of items would not carry over to the next week, so if my BPO gives me say 10 suits every week and I don't use them for three weeks, I would not have 30 suits I would have 10 as the amount resets each week nomatter what. For trading... You would not be able to trade more than two BPO items a week. This is to prevent people from transferring BPO items from alt accounts to their main every week. Trade restrictions and limits on how many you can own would discourage people from buying them from CCP as well as from other players. Though the old idea that BPOs should generate gear over time is a good one. DeadlyAztec11 wrote: How CCP can continue to make profits After the initial quantity of BPO items are used up, give the player an option to buy Aurum equivalent items. We all know that people will blow through suits easily enough, give them the option to buy items and getting them immediately as opposed to waiting days will be a huge incentive to buy Aurum items. What do you guys think? I wanted to get players to work this out before making a mess in the feedback/request section. So comments? Questions? Support? I would appreciate it. Your idea for "How CCP can continue to makes profits" would honestly pi$s off CCPs consumers rather than encourage them to buy AUR gear. I'm not sure exactly what's wrong with giving people 30 weekly freebies. Also, I don't understand why you are so hostile to CCP making a profit. My alts: General John Ripper, Draxus Prime, MoonEagle A, Anarchide, Long Evity And this is why I am the #1 forum warrior
Miokai Zahou The Southern Legion 149	Posted - 2014.02.24 02:02:00 - [55] - Quote DeadlyAztec11 wrote: Miokai Zahou wrote: Messing with my paid-direct-with-cash bpos (Templar/Dren) gear is a big no on my part because I was sold on unlimited usage and I expect unlimited usage for them. The aurum bpos I'm good with but your suggestions on all bpos to turn into cap like that can go to the toilet be flushed with the rest of the ****** ideas. These would be separate from unlimited BPO's, they would not affect them at all. Then you sir I like and the idea is sound. Noob isn't really a status, it's the online equivalent of a 5-year old calling you a poopy fart head.
Skihids Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 2895	Posted - 2014.02.24 02:22:00 - [56] - Quote CCP would have to pull a mighty big rabbit out of its SD to explain standard manufacturing in DUST. There is no way short of JiT manufacturing to explain how you can get any weapon, suit, or piece of equipment you own at no notice from any SD on the field, and any other merc can do the same. The SD is filled with nanites and uses your digital copy write (BPO or BPC) to authorize manufacture on the spot. There is no other way to stuff hundreds of copies of hundreds of different items into that small package, and there is no way to transfer your inventory across the galaxy in the time it takes you to clone jump to the next battle.
The Terminator T-1000 Skynet Incorporated 132	Posted - 2014.02.24 02:38:00 - [57] - Quote I dont care as long as it does not affect my BPO which I bought with real money
Lucrezia LeGrand 340	Posted - 2014.02.24 03:03:00 - [58] - Quote make it 100 copies a week and then we'll talk. Thale groupie
DeadlyAztec11 Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 4403	Posted - 2014.02.24 03:31:00 - [59] - Quote Lucrezia LeGrand wrote: make it 100 copies a week and then we'll talk. That's ludicrous. I don't even think I go through that many suits in two weeks. My alts: General John Ripper, Draxus Prime, MoonEagle A, Anarchide, Long Evity And this is why I am the #1 forum warrior
Leovarian L Lavitz NECROM0NGERS 988	Posted - 2014.03.16 03:36:00 - [60] - Quote BPO Leasing- Lease a bpo for X amount of aurum, in packages of 3, 7, 30 days. Omni-Soldier Few are my equal in one of these specialties, and there are none who can compare in all of them.

Kira Takizawa Kira's Templars 170	Posted - 2014.03.16 07:45:00 - [61] - Quote Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: As long as my current unlimited BPO's stay unlimited they can go ahead and introduce limited BPO's. I agree with this because since I've paid money for the BPO's as they are now not for the BS they are trying to feed us... But if they change them either I'm quitting or going to run only starter fits.. Don't try to break what we have left CCP... Story of the Merc
Sgt Kirk Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 5169	Posted - 2014.03.16 07:49:00 - [62] - Quote Can I just trade the BPO suit for a similar different Racial suit/weapon sometime down the line. I'd like to swap my Skinweave Amarr Sentinel suit for a Skinweave Gallente Sentinel. *1st Official Role Playing Gallente Asshole* -Title Awarded by True Adamance
Lorhak Gannarsein Science For Death 2114	Posted - 2014.03.16 10:19:00 - [63] - Quote Sgt Kirk wrote: Can I just trade the BPO suit for a similar different Racial suit/weapon sometime down the line. I'd like to swap my Skinweave Amarr Sentinel suit for a Skinweave Gallente Sentinel. This would be nice. Assault ak.0 w/ScR+ScP 4LYFE Forum Warrior Level Two. (GëºGêçGëª)/
Spectral Clone Dust2Dust. Top Men. 1702	Posted - 2014.03.16 10:50:00 - [64] - Quote Change how a BPO works, and I will easily claim my spent money on this game back. So will many others. Then use that money to buy more boosters. Drop it like its hat.
Asha Starwind DUST University Ivy League 499	Posted - 2014.03.16 10:53:00 - [65] - Quote They simply need to bring them back because it simply is unfair to allow them part of the user base and not the rest. 32db Mad Bomber.
DeadlyAztec11 Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 4666	Posted - 2014.03.16 16:37:00 - [66] - Quote BPO's should be for personal use, should be regulated and should not be used for manufacturing. Taco Cat backwards is still Taco Cat
KA24DERT TeamPlayers Negative-Feedback 535	Posted - 2014.03.16 17:09:00 - [67] - Quote Every idea that isn't an implementation of Eve-style BPOs is just asking the Dust development team to write code that is destined to be THROWN AWAY before they even hit save.
Derpty Derp It's All Gone Derp 132	Posted - 2014.03.16 17:26:00 - [68] - Quote Since all the unlimited Blueprints are of Militia level gear... How about releasing future blueprints of Proto-Gear that allow 1 per battle.
Johnny Guilt Algintal Core 586	Posted - 2014.03.16 17:35:00 - [69] - Quote Seems like a BPO noone would buy into because of how potentially fast you can waste through milita grade gear,why over complicate the BPO? A strange game. The only winning move is not to play.
ADAM-OF-EVE Dead Man's Game 1509	Posted - 2014.04.21 23:11:00 - [70] - Quote or any bpo's you have go into the market menu as a list. you select desired bpo from the list and buy items for a 50-75% reduced price of the version its based on. this way isk and items are lost creating an isk sink for dust and also generating items for loot. basically you are buying the item for mineral cost skipping the production and skills costs the other normal items would include. this way when eve production comes in the transfer of power wouldn't mean a drastic change. you simply transfer your bpo to eve and continue to send yourself the items for mineral costs only I will logi the s* out of you https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=99075&find

Takron Nistrom Tinfoil Hatz 351	Posted - 2014.04.21 23:15:00 - [71] - Quote I would be pissed if they removed the Aur BPOs but I would get over it, because tech they can. But remove my collector edition BPOs and CCP will never see the light of my wallett again. GÇ£Pulvis et umbra sumus. (We are but dust and shadow.)GÇ¥ GÇò Horace, The Odes of Horace
JoeShmoe From Kokomo Third Rock From The Sun 1	Posted - 2014.06.08 23:13:00 - [72] - Quote Driftward wrote: The problem with the unlimited BPOs is that they are currently industry/market breaking. Removes any incentive to purchase those items/they never deplete which is completely opposite to one of the main features of this game (persistent with consequences to dying beyond "stats") I would support turning all BPO's into a recharging type item that puts either BPC copies into your inventory or gives a limited amount of uses that doesn't rollover (though I think rollover would be fine, much better than the current mechanism) If they really wanted anything bought with AUR can be refunded and the skinweaves just taken away. However anything part of a package are purchased item. Any changes are sticky legal ground. The virtual market issue is an imaginary problem. The seriously messed up hidden mission-contract to determine payouts is a very real problem.[/quote] Any changes are sticky legal ground. I paid for mine. Dont QQ because you didnt. I will sue if they change my BPO as it would be a breach of contract. They tried changin the BPOs once and that was fixxed within a day. CCP cant afford to lose players or anymore money. Its bad enough they are quiting PSN and movin to PC.
Joseph Ridgeson warravens Final Resolution. 1979	Posted - 2014.06.09 01:32:00 - [73] - Quote JoeShmoe From Kokomo wrote: Any changes are sticky legal ground. I paid for mine. Dont QQ because you didnt. I will sue if they change my BPO as it would be a breach of contract. They tried changin the BPOs once and that was fixxed within a day. CCP cant afford to lose players or anymore money. Its bad enough they are quiting PSN and movin to PC. It is actually not sticky in a legal sense at all. Not the slightest bit. You know that EULA we all totally read to the letter, had our lawyers look through it, and accepted with trepidation? In there, it basically states that we don't own anything we have in the game. If CCP wanted to ban Joseph Ridgeson for "having a stupid name" or being a fat sloth of a manchild, they could and there would be nothing I would be able to do. "You are using CCP's property at our convenience. Anything you have paid to unlock is only buying a license that may be revoked at any time." Every EULA has the same thing and it is particularly necessary in Free to Play games where things are bought with real money. League of Legends, Lord of the Rings: Online, Hearthstone, Guild Wars 2, DUST 514; they all have that same EULA. If a serious attempt was made to sue them, they would simply state "this user accepted to the End Users License Agreement; they were made well aware of our rights to the product." We are all going to get screwed in some fashion through the switch over. It is just a matter of whether it is a microfastener or the industrial auger. The point to take away is that CCP is not under legal obligation; they ARE under customer loyalty obligation. "This is B.S! This is B.S! I paid money! Cash money, dollars money, cash money!"
Atiim Heaven's Lost Property 9241	Posted - 2014.06.09 01:34:00 - [74] - Quote How about a special BPO where you pay for it once in AUR, and then have to restock it with ISK upon destruction. It would basically serve to create an ISK variant of the BPOs? It would be great for those who purchase AUR gear simply for the cosmetics. Amarrians would prefer you be faithful. I'd rather you be logical. Current Goal: Caldari Medium Dropsuits III -HAND
TIGER SHARK1501 The Phoenix Federation Dark Taboo 21	Posted - 2014.06.15 14:59:00 - [75] - Quote Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: As long as my current unlimited BPO's stay unlimited they can go ahead and introduce limited BPO's. Agreed. I'm fine if they add limited BPO's but don't touch my BPO's that I purchased which are unlimited and were as such when I bought them. If CCP wishes to sell more Aurum suits why not make the Aurum version have a perk such as a bonus slot or more PG or CPU?


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