DUST Search - How to bring back BPO's: Limited BPO's

medomai grey wrote:

DeadlyAztec11 wrote:

Give them a weekly cap. So if I get a limited BPO of a Dragon Fly suit I will only be allowed say, 30 suits a week, after those thirty suits are used up I have to wait until the next week for the suits to replenish.

Balancing factors:
For the sake of balance you wouldn't be allowed more than two limited BPO's of the same item on a character. Also the amount of items would not carry over to the next week, so if my BPO gives me say 10 suits every week and I don't use them for three weeks, I would not have 30 suits I would have 10 as the amount resets each week nomatter what.

For trading... You would not be able to trade more than two BPO items a week. This is to prevent people from transferring BPO items from alt accounts to their main every week.

Trade restrictions and limits on how many you can own would discourage people from buying them from CCP as well as from other players. Though the old idea that BPOs should generate gear over time is a good one.

DeadlyAztec11 wrote:

How CCP can continue to make profits
After the initial quantity of BPO items are used up, give the player an option to buy Aurum equivalent items. We all know that people will blow through suits easily enough, give them the option to buy items and getting them immediately as opposed to waiting days will be a huge incentive to buy Aurum items.

What do you guys think? I wanted to get players to work this out before making a mess in the feedback/request section.

So comments? Questions? Support?
I would appreciate it.

Your idea for "How CCP can continue to makes profits" would honestly pi$s off CCPs consumers rather than encourage them to buy AUR gear.

My alts: General John Ripper, Draxus Prime, MoonEagle A, Anarchide, Long Evity And this is why I am the #1 forum warrior

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Heavenly Daughter the Aurum Grinder and Company 296	Posted - 2014.01.18 22:44:00 - [31] - Quote DeadlyAztec11 wrote: Give them a weekly cap. So if I get a limited BPO of a Dragon Fly suit I will only be allowed say, 30 suits a week, after those thirty suits are used up I have to wait until the next week for the suits to replenish. Balancing factors: For the sake of balance you wouldn't be allowed more than two limited BPO's of the same item on a character. Also the amount of items would not carry over to the next week, so if my BPO gives me say 10 suits every week and I don't use them for three weeks, I would not have 30 suits I would have 10 as the amount resets each week nomatter what. For trading... You would not be able to trade more than two BPO items a week. This is to prevent people from transferring BPO items from alt accounts to their main every week. How CCP can continue to make profits After the initial quantity of BPO items are used up, give the player an option to buy Aurum equivalent items. We all know that people will blow through suits easily enough, give them the option to buy items and getting them immediately as opposed to waiting days will be a huge incentive to buy Aurum items. What do you guys think? I wanted to get players to work this out before making a mess in the feedback/request section. So comments? Questions? Support? I would appreciate it. Nice idea's but numbers are very curtailing, I don't know how many lives i loose a day when I play for an entire day. i guess it would be more than 10, I see people loosing that in one game. If you want to limit the number per day, it will have to be far more than 10. Also don't limit replenishment to just Aurum, NO WAY WILL I PAY AURUM for suits every week to use in dust. The BPO should be just as they are in eve, purchase a BPO on the market and it can be used as many times as you like in a week. If there is no similarity in the BPO to that of eve there is no point in the BPO at all, the same rules must therefore apply. The Organ Grinder & Co. EVE Heavenly Daughter-Merc Records
Patrick57 Fatal Absolution Covert Intervention 4037	Posted - 2014.01.18 22:47:00 - [32] - Quote So, say I have two BPOs of the same thing. Would I get 60 of those suits to use each week, or just the initial 30? Winner of at least 9 King ThunderBolt hate videos :D
DeadlyAztec11 Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 3336	Posted - 2014.01.18 23:51:00 - [33] - Quote Patrick57 wrote: So, say I have two BPOs of the same thing. Would I get 60 of those suits to use each week, or just the initial 30? 60. My alts: General John Ripper, Draxus Prime, MoonEagle A, Long Evity And this is why I am the #1 forum warrior
Kigurosaka Laaksonen DUST University Ivy League 151	Posted - 2014.01.18 23:57:00 - [34] - Quote You want BPOs back? Bring in industry. DUST 514 Recruit Code - https://dust514.com/recruit/zluCyb/ EVE Buddy Invite - Too damn long. Ask me for it.
Flint Beastgood III GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention 469	Posted - 2014.01.19 15:38:00 - [35] - Quote Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: As long as my current unlimited BPO's stay unlimited they can go ahead and introduce limited BPO's. ^ This! Gÿó +¦ +¦ Gÿó Trained Skills
Kaze Eyrou SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 430	Posted - 2014.01.19 16:46:00 - [36] - Quote Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: As long as my current unlimited BPO's stay unlimited they can go ahead and introduce limited BPO's. This // Support Logi / Logi Bro // Forge Gunner // @KazeEyrou
Fire of Prometheus DUST University Ivy League 3043	Posted - 2014.01.19 17:09:00 - [37] - Quote I'd rather have it carry over and then we are able to sell the copies on the market. And how about you are only allowed up to 5 BPOs to produce copies at a time? Commando 6 // A.R.C Commander // D-Uni instructor A Balac's and a Thale's.....What's on your commando? Forum warrior 3
Bethhy Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 866	Posted - 2014.01.19 17:12:00 - [38] - Quote The Salvage system and BPO system in DUST needs overhauling in mirror of EVE/ You should get multiple pieces of equipment and weapons that you can assemble with BPO's and create a crafting system even around officer weapons. A blueprint that prints off suits with no cost of resources will NEVER make sense in New Eden Lore...
Kara Anschel Tech Guard RISE of LEGION 5	Posted - 2014.01.19 17:36:00 - [39] - Quote I actually really like this idea, bring our BPOs a little closer to EVE's version of BPOs. But Imma cut the first ***** to try and touch my Syndicate SMG.
crazy space 1 GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention 2140	Posted - 2014.01.20 01:49:00 - [40] - Quote YES YES YES! I'm glad to see this idea finally getting some support. I don't want to lose my skinweave logi with 2 equipment slots :/ Or my dragonfly suit. The weekly reset could easily be tied to the sp cap reset.

crazy space 1 GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention 2142	Posted - 2014.01.20 01:51:00 - [41] - Quote Bethhy wrote: The Salvage system and BPO system in DUST needs overhauling in mirror of EVE/ You should get multiple pieces of equipment and weapons that you can assemble with BPO's and create a crafting system even around officer weapons. A blueprint that prints off suits with no cost of resources will NEVER make sense in New Eden Lore... tech 2 blueprint bpos can be used to print out blueprints which sell for a ton of isk and costs basically nothing. Bahahahahahah. To be fair though I don't mind where you are going with this post. What if instead of a weekly cap it was refilled by isk? So it could at least act like an isk sink once the NPC market is gone and we have the player market. They could bring back BPOs for AUR with special paintjobs, I would buy them as long as they don't take AUR to refill.. that would be an awful idea.
Cross Atu OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 1828	Posted - 2014.01.20 06:00:00 - [42] - Quote Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: As long as my current unlimited BPO's stay unlimited they can go ahead and introduce limited BPO's. +1 :) /OP some good ideas for more possible choices in game SupportSP Rollover & an improved Recruting System
CRNWLLC Screwy Rabbit ULC 1	Posted - 2014.01.21 19:49:00 - [43] - Quote BPOs are no problem at all, for the market or gameplay. They're all (almost, maybe with the exception of the Master Recruiter Assault C-II?) standard level at best, meaning that without skill points allocated sensibly, they offer no advantage to the player other than an itty bitty ISK savings and increasing the time between restocks. Here's how I look at it: if a player is unskilled and dies all the time, no sweat off my back if he saves a little ISK constantly running BPO gear. My skills are better, my gear is better, I don't die as often because I'm not running around a like headless chicken, throwing my scout suit in front of heavies or attempting to snipe from the middle of a road. If a player is good and has a lot of skill points intelligently invested in his style(s) of play and rolls BPOs, he will tear up most noobs anyway, but will be at no advantage facing off against a similarly veteran player, and will actually be at a disadvantage if that player is rocking advanced+ gear. Thus, he would be more inclined to use advanced+ level gear and suits, too. For these reasons, I don't see how BPOs can be seriously labeled OP or unfair. Instead of all the bellyaching about older players having them vs. newer players not, or players who bought packs/collections vs. those who strictly want to play-for-free, why not just offer a set of BPO choices (eg, a choice of suit, H/L weapon, side arm, and maybe some mods/equipment) to players when they get 50,000 WPs or their 1000th kill? This creates a small barrier to entry toward the end of rewarding loyalty, while at the same time ensuring such players (those at least somewhat dedicated to the game/community) have a similar background of BPO stuff to play around with. Then, all the pretty colored suits can be the purview of fanboys that spend a lot of money on collector's editions, etc. (myself included o_0). This also has the advantage of allowing newer players to get a feel for their preferred play style(s) before getting a bunch of BPOs that might not actually be of use to them. BPOs are awesome, IMO, mostly because they save me the hassle of restocking cheap equipment (drop uplinks, etc.) or sidearms that I mostly equip "for looks" anyway. They don't mess up the economy because there is no economy--individual players use their ISK/AUR to buy in-game crap from the Dust marketplace, which is completely owned and operated by CCP. Until ISK/AUR flows between players, there's only a market, regulated arbitrarily by CCP. The idea of reverse engineering BPOs to make BPCs is not workable since mercs don't have the means of harvesting resources, so where would they acquire the means to produce gear from BPCs? Sounds like a huge headache and a lot of design work. BPOs are only for standard level gear anyway. Of course, I like the idea of sniping a red that's busy hacking away at a tritanium deposit in the middle of battle... Seriously, though--Dust is not a sandbox game, it's an FPS, so poo-poo to manufacturing. The idea of an endless blueprint makes perfect sense, in the same way that my always-extant Genolution 'Auroral' AU-79 implant makes perfect sense in EVE. My toons have mad clout with the corporations of New Eden (ie, I payed CCP RL money and this is my reward). So, I say, "Long live BPOs in their current form (and maybe bring them back in a limited way to assuage noob's feelings)!" Have you seen my baseball?
Tallen Ellecon KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 1282	Posted - 2014.01.22 00:08:00 - [44] - Quote BPOs now give me 3 things 1. Gear I don't have to spec into 2. Gear I don't have to restock 3. Gear with unique skins If they nerf aspect 1 I wouldn't mind if I could get a refund on militia BPOs, I'm specced into every module anyway I just use them to save abit of ISK. If something were done to suits in order to make them easier to spec into (basic suits.. da fuq) I wouldn't mind BPOs losing that functionality. This aspect is important to me, because I can focus all my SP on the suits and gear I use proffesionally. I can live with them losing aspect 2 as well. Again as long I can get a refund on militia BPOs. I have plenty of ISK, and with the addition of player market I can stay profitable, especially since all the modules are standard or militia grade anyway. I don't mind paying for any of the gear, though the ability to build a free customized starter fit level suit allows more casual gameplay. Aspect 3 is the one that is a bit trickier, especially for my Templar gear. I would feel cheated if I was just handed any limited number of the BPO gear I purchased. This is where the idea of having a BPO like in EVE would make sense for all the non militia level BPOs. I think the idea already given for having BPOs create a limited number of items a week, but I could see it still creating an imbalance in the open market as there would be a flood of identical ARs lowering the prices making them far more widely used as the cheap alternative. Same goes for Caldari Assaults and LAVs. If a future manufacturing process used BPOs then either the new BPOs would have to be priced accordingly (with Aurum) and if not the old BPOs would have to have an advantage or major compensation (maybe max material level and production efficieny) To be fair though as someone who has almost every BPO I don't see the harm in them existing. Assuming this game grows then the BPO owners will slowly become a smaller and smaller force on the market. If it weren't for the basic suits it would take less than 500,000 SP to access all the gear and only a couple thousand ISK to fit it. BPOs are just a step above starter fits, which have the same economic consequenses, but no one is talking about nerfing them. Where is my Gallente sidearm? 1.8? When is that? SoonGäó514
Maximus Stryker Who Are Those Guys 790	Posted - 2014.01.29 17:07:00 - [45] - Quote Maximus Stryker wrote: I think BPOs are important to new characters and a decent way to generate some AUR sales for CCP. Thus, the simplest conclusion I can draw is to make BPOs Temporary Just like we have boosters for a day/week/month, buy a BPO for a day/week/month. Ex: Purchase an Exile assault rifle for 2000 AUR and get unlimited supply for 1 month Purchase an Exile assault rifle for 500 AUR and get unlimited supply for 1 week Purchase an Exile assault rifle for 100 AUR and get unlimited supply for 1 day Maybe you need to change the name of them if the name BPO implies "unlimited to infinity forever" but I can't think of a reason this wouldn't work. Has anyone mentioned this idea already? I haven't been following the issue. Thoughts? #171Posted: 2013.10.23 19:32 *Faction Channels for FW Staging* PIE Ground Control \| Caldari Hierarchy \| Turalyon \| Chosen Matari
Jakobi Wan Legions of Infinite Dominion 63	Posted - 2014.01.31 11:14:00 - [46] - Quote Lorhak Gannarsein wrote: SponkSponkSponk made a similar post a while back, only his was more like 'these BPO's will create x number of the item in question and add it to your inventory, allowing you even to sell the items that you're not using, making all BPO's useful'. He also suggested that this be temporary until they introduce industry. I like both ideas, tbh. ...introduce industry is the best answer
Draco Cerberus BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance 762	Posted - 2014.02.23 23:22:00 - [47] - Quote Let us sell the BPOs to Eve players to manufacture for ungodly amounts of ISK, anyone want to buy a BPO suit? 10bil Dust isk please. LogiGod earns his pips
calvin b Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 1543	Posted - 2014.02.24 00:05:00 - [48] - Quote Limiting a BPO is just stupid. 30, really a week. If you said 300 I might be inclined but I play a lot and 30 is a slap in the face. A heavy before 1.8
DeadlyAztec11 Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 4400	Posted - 2014.02.24 00:14:00 - [49] - Quote calvin b wrote: Limiting a BPO is just stupid. 30, really a week. If you said 300 I might be inclined but I play a lot and 30 is a slap in the face. It's suppose to be an incentive to buy more Aur items. Also, 30 items a week isn't bad, many people don't even play enough to lose half of that. You lose all thirty items, then a window pops up asking if you would like to buy Aurum equivalent items. Perfectly legit micro transactions that would not be P2W. My alts: General John Ripper, Draxus Prime, MoonEagle A, Anarchide, Long Evity And this is why I am the #1 forum warrior
medomai grey WarRavens League of Infamy 408	Posted - 2014.02.24 00:29:00 - [50] - Quote DeadlyAztec11 wrote: Give them a weekly cap. So if I get a limited BPO of a Dragon Fly suit I will only be allowed say, 30 suits a week, after those thirty suits are used up I have to wait until the next week for the suits to replenish. Balancing factors: For the sake of balance you wouldn't be allowed more than two limited BPO's of the same item on a character. Also the amount of items would not carry over to the next week, so if my BPO gives me say 10 suits every week and I don't use them for three weeks, I would not have 30 suits I would have 10 as the amount resets each week nomatter what. For trading... You would not be able to trade more than two BPO items a week. This is to prevent people from transferring BPO items from alt accounts to their main every week. Trade restrictions and limits on how many you can own would discourage people from buying them from CCP as well as from other players. Though the old idea that BPOs should generate gear over time is a good one. DeadlyAztec11 wrote: How CCP can continue to make profits After the initial quantity of BPO items are used up, give the player an option to buy Aurum equivalent items. We all know that people will blow through suits easily enough, give them the option to buy items and getting them immediately as opposed to waiting days will be a huge incentive to buy Aurum items. What do you guys think? I wanted to get players to work this out before making a mess in the feedback/request section. So comments? Questions? Support? I would appreciate it. Your idea for "How CCP can continue to makes profits" would honestly pi$s off CCPs consumers rather than encourage them to buy AUR gear. Blatant Dust_514 recruiting in the silliest of places. :P

Tectonic Fusion 1117	Posted - 2014.02.24 01:01:00 - [51] - Quote You expect my Dragonfly scout die less than 30 times a week... Solo Player Squad status: Locked
Miokai Zahou The Southern Legion 149	Posted - 2014.02.24 01:10:00 - [52] - Quote Messing with my paid-direct-with-cash bpos (Templar/Dren) gear is a big no on my part because I was sold on unlimited usage and I expect unlimited usage for them. The aurum bpos I'm good with but your suggestions on all bpos to turn into cap like that can go to the toilet be flushed with the rest of the ****** ideas. Noob isn't really a status, it's the online equivalent of a 5-year old calling you a poopy fart head.
DeadlyAztec11 Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 4400	Posted - 2014.02.24 01:30:00 - [53] - Quote Miokai Zahou wrote: Messing with my paid-direct-with-cash bpos (Templar/Dren) gear is a big no on my part because I was sold on unlimited usage and I expect unlimited usage for them. The aurum bpos I'm good with but your suggestions on all bpos to turn into cap like that can go to the toilet be flushed with the rest of the ****** ideas. These would be separate from unlimited BPO's, they would not affect them at all. My alts: General John Ripper, Draxus Prime, MoonEagle A, Anarchide, Long Evity And this is why I am the #1 forum warrior
DeadlyAztec11 Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 4400	Posted - 2014.02.24 01:32:00 - [54] - Quote medomai grey wrote: DeadlyAztec11 wrote: Give them a weekly cap. So if I get a limited BPO of a Dragon Fly suit I will only be allowed say, 30 suits a week, after those thirty suits are used up I have to wait until the next week for the suits to replenish. Balancing factors: For the sake of balance you wouldn't be allowed more than two limited BPO's of the same item on a character. Also the amount of items would not carry over to the next week, so if my BPO gives me say 10 suits every week and I don't use them for three weeks, I would not have 30 suits I would have 10 as the amount resets each week nomatter what. For trading... You would not be able to trade more than two BPO items a week. This is to prevent people from transferring BPO items from alt accounts to their main every week. Trade restrictions and limits on how many you can own would discourage people from buying them from CCP as well as from other players. Though the old idea that BPOs should generate gear over time is a good one. DeadlyAztec11 wrote: How CCP can continue to make profits After the initial quantity of BPO items are used up, give the player an option to buy Aurum equivalent items. We all know that people will blow through suits easily enough, give them the option to buy items and getting them immediately as opposed to waiting days will be a huge incentive to buy Aurum items. What do you guys think? I wanted to get players to work this out before making a mess in the feedback/request section. So comments? Questions? Support? I would appreciate it. Your idea for "How CCP can continue to makes profits" would honestly pi$s off CCPs consumers rather than encourage them to buy AUR gear. I'm not sure exactly what's wrong with giving people 30 weekly freebies. Also, I don't understand why you are so hostile to CCP making a profit. My alts: General John Ripper, Draxus Prime, MoonEagle A, Anarchide, Long Evity And this is why I am the #1 forum warrior
Miokai Zahou The Southern Legion 149	Posted - 2014.02.24 02:02:00 - [55] - Quote DeadlyAztec11 wrote: Miokai Zahou wrote: Messing with my paid-direct-with-cash bpos (Templar/Dren) gear is a big no on my part because I was sold on unlimited usage and I expect unlimited usage for them. The aurum bpos I'm good with but your suggestions on all bpos to turn into cap like that can go to the toilet be flushed with the rest of the ****** ideas. These would be separate from unlimited BPO's, they would not affect them at all. Then you sir I like and the idea is sound. Noob isn't really a status, it's the online equivalent of a 5-year old calling you a poopy fart head.
Skihids Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 2895	Posted - 2014.02.24 02:22:00 - [56] - Quote CCP would have to pull a mighty big rabbit out of its SD to explain standard manufacturing in DUST. There is no way short of JiT manufacturing to explain how you can get any weapon, suit, or piece of equipment you own at no notice from any SD on the field, and any other merc can do the same. The SD is filled with nanites and uses your digital copy write (BPO or BPC) to authorize manufacture on the spot. There is no other way to stuff hundreds of copies of hundreds of different items into that small package, and there is no way to transfer your inventory across the galaxy in the time it takes you to clone jump to the next battle.
The Terminator T-1000 Skynet Incorporated 132	Posted - 2014.02.24 02:38:00 - [57] - Quote I dont care as long as it does not affect my BPO which I bought with real money
Lucrezia LeGrand 340	Posted - 2014.02.24 03:03:00 - [58] - Quote make it 100 copies a week and then we'll talk. Thale groupie
DeadlyAztec11 Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 4403	Posted - 2014.02.24 03:31:00 - [59] - Quote Lucrezia LeGrand wrote: make it 100 copies a week and then we'll talk. That's ludicrous. I don't even think I go through that many suits in two weeks. My alts: General John Ripper, Draxus Prime, MoonEagle A, Anarchide, Long Evity And this is why I am the #1 forum warrior
Leovarian L Lavitz NECROM0NGERS 988	Posted - 2014.03.16 03:36:00 - [60] - Quote BPO Leasing- Lease a bpo for X amount of aurum, in packages of 3, 7, 30 days. Omni-Soldier Few are my equal in one of these specialties, and there are none who can compare in all of them.



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