I'm a majestic cat.

What defines a newberry? Then i'd go from there.

Not Possible.

But to the point No they should not be in FW at all imo until they have at least X time in the game. Maybe a month or so. I don't think and SP limit is wise for faction warfare entry. I think we can all agree just getting SP does not mean they have a clue what they are doing.

If we had better corp finding mechanics for a nub like the EVE Online advertisement system. Then I would say only have players in player corps fighting for faction warfare. As an easy entry into proper organized play.

Until that at least a few weeks or a month time limit to let them get some real experience.




In my opinion? Less then 4 million SP which is roughly 2 months and change. Just enough to get some decent gear and weapons and a firm bit of experience .

fw is a mode meant to be competitive ccp designed it to give the elite player base of dust something to do other than stomp all over the poor newer players in pub matches. it has friendly fire enabled much higher risk than pubs ..and an almost guarantee that the enemy will be coordinated. it is a much higher risk situation than pubs..but also with relatively same pay..you could actually say you make less in fw than you do in pubs.

a coordinated squad with high end gear is a mandatory in fw...and with the lower payout naturally this suits established mercs more than newer ones

we have the gear we have the teammates we have the money

so i call to question whether or not new players should be allowed to participate in fw.

currently i have seen bluedots that dont even know how to cut on their mics..being told how to cut push to talk off in team chat fw.
this mode is not a place to be learning the ropes..with ff on and coordinated play being mandatory.

newer players in fw introduce huge issues

when one side is stacked there is less of a chance you will have players on your side that can hold their own you can only control the 5 teamates you bring in with you..and with everyone having access you get 3 proto squads vs 1 proto squad with 10 bluedots randoms with no gear no money who dont know the maps, strategy, and tactics required to win, and dont have the money gear or skills to compete.

i feel that allowing fw to be played by anyone in new eden is breaking fw in itself this is a mode clearly designed for the veterans and elites.

ccp please enter in a mandatory point that must be achieved before fw becomes available to a dust merc.

this line should be much higher than the graduation for the newberry academy.
players entering fw should have all the things ive described here..and to play fw without those thing i can only imagine is a miserable exp.



any idea on what this line should be? i think it should be a sp line as sp is something that can only be accumulated so fast..someone whos played dust enough to get so much as 10 mill sp has the skills and in game knowledge if not the gear to compete in fw
ideas suggestions discuss

fw is a mode meant to be competitive ccp designed it to give the elite player base of dust something to do other than stomp all over the poor newer players in pub matches. it has friendly fire enabled much higher risk than pubs ..and an almost guarantee that the enemy will be coordinated. it is a much higher risk situation than pubs..but also with relatively same pay..you could actually say you make less in fw than you do in pubs.

a coordinated squad with high end gear is a mandatory in fw...and with the lower payout naturally this suits established mercs more than newer ones

we have the gear we have the teammates we have the money

so i call to question whether or not new players should be allowed to participate in fw.

currently i have seen bluedots that dont even know how to cut on their mics..being told how to cut push to talk off in team chat fw.
this mode is not a place to be learning the ropes..with ff on and coordinated play being mandatory.

newer players in fw introduce huge issues

when one side is stacked there is less of a chance you will have players on your side that can hold their own you can only control the 5 teamates you bring in with you..and with everyone having access you get 3 proto squads vs 1 proto squad with 10 bluedots randoms with no gear no money who dont know the maps, strategy, and tactics required to win, and dont have the money gear or skills to compete.

i feel that allowing fw to be played by anyone in new eden is breaking fw in itself this is a mode clearly designed for the veterans and elites.

ccp please enter in a mandatory point that must be achieved before fw becomes available to a dust merc.

this line should be much higher than the graduation for the newberry academy.
players entering fw should have all the things ive described here..and to play fw without those thing i can only imagine is a miserable exp.



any idea on what this line should be? i think it should be a sp line as sp is something that can only be accumulated so fast..someone whos played dust enough to get so much as 10 mill sp has the skills and in game knowledge if not the gear to compete in fw
ideas suggestions discuss

how is fw designed for lower players you make less money in fw..and you lose more its competitive i disagree with everything you've said here

I am sure you don't agree with me, you are viewing this as a competitive environment and I am not.

In the Dev blog about the FW changes CCP stated that they wanted people to have to play both Pubs and FW, this was one of the reasons for no isk in FW. This does not mean new players can't play FW, it does not mean that it is an isk sink, though it can be for those of us who have more isk than we need. What it does mean is that people have different rewards for different play modes. Not really sure how no isk payout makes it competitive, I just don't see the line of reasoning there.

As I already stated much of the LP rewards are more beneficial for lower SP players than for higher SP players. This does not mean those with high SP may not want to try out new gear through the use of LP gear, but the benefits are greater for those with less SP. Would you care to explain how you disagree with this?

People are free to chose the mode they want to play, and how they want to play, overall what your OP states is that you want people to play the way you want them to play. You would like more control over what other people are doing, by restricting their choices. Correct me if I am wrong on that.

NO.
Newberries should stick to Public matches.

nay...... and for the sake of organization may i suggest you add the names on a list according to "yay" or "nay".... or tally the votes some how so its easy to come back and see how many there are, i think this is a great post though and more posts should be organized to a voting poll of some sort...... i think ccp would like that

but i know i really would.

i will actually do this thank you for the suggestion sorry i have not been as active as i usually am on my threads folk ive hada lot of xmas parties this weekend and between those and getting ready for those i have not had the time..to check my threads i will do a tally real quick before bed and add it to the original post

*thumbs up.

Well just look at Caldari. They get battered consistently. My corp took a squad / squad n half into a match fighting for Caldari and we were literally the only players in the match fighting. We fought valiantly but ultimately we were battered.

P.S

Sp has nothing to do with it, limiting opponents will not help either. It needs to be stated that team work and co-ordination is needed in FW.

Besides, the teams are totally stacked against the Caldari and to a lesser extent, the Amarr as far as ~I am aware. Make the loyalty point stores actually have nice shiny items in there that everyone wants and you might see some fair fighting.

It so frustrating. You need to go into the Cal FW with at least two squads (it seems if we try to q-sync three, we get thrown in different matches) to make any sort of impact.

And don't let them get "socked in the mouths" real hard. They will retreat to the redline. Sit there and snipe. Now the map looks like its got freckles because you see red dots all over the place hunting separately since they have no respect for the team.

To the teamwork thing, I don't know how many times me and squadmates try speaking on the comms. Hell, we are normally on team chat, hoping someone catches on. They don't. They play it like its freaking COD.

I think SP matters here because the caliber of players you see here will be even more proto'd out than a pub match. A slaughter in FW hurts more because its almost like a PC battle. You don't make ISK. LP really means squat to a new player who is broke already.

LOL you might want to re-read my post and make sure you like it, Just edited.

ura flea ridden fur ball that needs to be made into chinese food

+1 i love how all the veterans agree that new players should not be allowed in fw

but all the new players try and argue and say that fw is meant for them.

I was under the understanding that FW was a chance for players to experience something that has a little more meaning than traditional battles, with PC being the place where "elites" can go if they want to.

Secondly, if public matches are where new players should play, why is there so much pub/protostomping?

As it stands, FW discourages protostomping because of the poor LP payouts and the non existant isk payouts. If a new player were looking for somewhere to go and find fewer proto suits, it seems that FW would be the best option at this point.

Until there is PvE or another game mode that uses only militia fits or has a reasonable upward limit of SP (which I think most people would agree is not the case for the academy as it seems to low), I don't see why you should complain about newberries playing in FW.

If you think your factionaly blueberries aren't up to snuff, maybe take some time and give them a few pointers, or politely suggest places like Dust University who would gladly help.

Or not, and you could continue being a douche. Its up to you.