side note
what if one sided matches are solely due to racial imbalances
with armor being better here gallente obviously beat caldari unless im playing of course

fw is a mode meant to be competitive ccp designed it to give the elite player base of dust something to do other than stomp all over the poor newer players in pub matches. it has friendly fire enabled much higher risk than pubs ..and an almost guarantee that the enemy will be coordinated. it is a much higher risk situation than pubs..but also with relatively same pay..you could actually say you make less in fw than you do in pubs.

a coordinated squad with high end gear is a mandatory in fw...and with the lower payout naturally this suits established mercs more than newer ones

we have the gear we have the teammates we have the money

so i call to question whether or not new players should be allowed to participate in fw.

currently i have seen bluedots that dont even know how to cut on their mics..being told how to cut push to talk off in team chat fw.
this mode is not a place to be learning the ropes..with ff on and coordinated play being mandatory.

newer players in fw introduce huge issues

when one side is stacked there is less of a chance you will have players on your side that can hold their own you can only control the 5 teamates you bring in with you..and with everyone having access you get 3 proto squads vs 1 proto squad with 10 bluedots randoms with no gear no money who dont know the maps, strategy, and tactics required to win, and dont have the money gear or skills to compete.

i feel that allowing fw to be played by anyone in new eden is breaking fw in itself this is a mode clearly designed for the veterans and elites.

ccp please enter in a mandatory point that must be achieved before fw becomes available to a dust merc.

this line should be much higher than the graduation for the newberry academy.
players entering fw should have all the things ive described here..and to play fw without those thing i can only imagine is a miserable exp.



any idea on what this line should be? i think it should be a sp line as sp is something that can only be accumulated so fast..someone whos played dust enough to get so much as 10 mill sp has the skills and in game knowledge if not the gear to compete in fw
ideas suggestions discuss

update and tally as of 21:49 est 12 /22/13

15 nays and or believe in the very least some limitation should be applyed
3 yays against limiting the quality of merc allowed to play in fw..or believe that the quality and skill of the mercs allowed is not the issue

I lol'ed so hard at this. PERFECT COMEBACK :D:D:D:D

It's clear a limitation is required, but what do you base it on - total lifetime kills? Kill/death ratio? number of SP? war points? Each metric is not a viable measure of any one player's "newberriness". :P

I just want to answer the topic quickly.

Yes, let newberries do FW. There is no reason to restrict anypne from any aspect of the game.

HOWEVER

They need to be paired vs equal adversaries with equal SP with the exception being squad invite or joining a friend.

SO

If you want to take a newbro to FW with your 20m SP friends you can do that.

The hard part is to find the balancing threshold.

I say 5m SP should be the first milestone. You kind of stop sucking at that point.

Squad based priority stays. add ons need to match the skill level of the squads.

SO a squad of Nyain San joins a FW vs a squad of 0.H.

They would put me in that match as filler over a 2.5m SP newbro. (I'm 20m)

How hard is that?

a coordinated squad with high end gear is a mandatory..and with the lower payout naturally this suits established mercs more than newer ones

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+1 i love how all the veterans agree that new players should not be allowed in fw

but all the new players try and argue and say that fw is meant for them.

I say no, but for slightly different reasons. This thread contains some of my suggestions to improve FW, with an SP requirement at the top.

I think the cap should be low, maybe 1-2 million SP. I don't necessarily thnk FW should be 'PC lite" but it's not for people fresh out of the academy either. Competitive, not necessarily exclusive. 10 million is WAY too high.

I want to make a point though: I don't think it's all noobishness that's the problem. In an average 1.6 pubstomp, there would be a fairly gradual decrease in the # of kills and WP as you went down the board. Maybe 1-2 people would have 0 WP, and that's it.

This does not occur in FW, at least for Amarr. In the Amarr FW battles I've been in, there's the competent people in the one squad that joined, maybe 1-2 people who do OK, and then there is this sudden massive dropoff where you go from 500 WP to 0 WP with nothing in between, and instead of 1-2 people, there are 5, 6, even 7 with no WP.

That's not random chance. It's AFK or awox. And not everyone is XERg and does it openly on their main, like Jadek. So, if you make a small barrier to entry, people can't use fresh alts to do this easily, they have to put at least a token effort into it.

Look @ FW how it is , this is NEWBERRIES FAULT.

Not directly their fault,but CCP for allowing them into something that influences so much.
How can a fresh newberry of the academy defend the objective that dictates if amarr keeps or looses a district?

And of course most newberries dont care for CHOOSING a factio nto fight for in FW.So they just click on FW for all factions why most Gallente and Minmatar Loyal factions just click their own faction.This makes MIN and GAL saturated and the game will place the randoms in the only game they fit ,CAL and AMA.
so when me and 2 other friends want to play for amarr what do we have?

3 good amarr players and 13 randoms

vs

12 good players in squad / 3 good players / MAybe 3-4 randoms

There by , we end up LOOSING , guaranteed.

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Players SHOULDNT be able to play for FW unless they have AT LEAST 10 million SP.
(some said 5 mill, but com'on,unless its an alt of an old player how much of a chance do you actually have as a newberry with 5 mill? HEH....)

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An immediate semi-solution would be to LIMIT the amount of FACTIONS checked to play for in FW to 2.
This way the newberry wont just click to play FQ at any random Faction and end up inevitably in Caldari or Amarr.
He MUST choose a MAXIMUM of 2 factions....

Im on 8.9mil I have a full proto suit, and you're gonna stop me?
If you are gonna limit access you need a new metric, one that considers

WP per Match
K/D ratio per Match
W/L ratio

As prehaps an Infamy Metric, once you have good enough reputation the factions start extending their own contracts.

Factional Warfare contracts require you to be in a squad.


*after multiple attempts*


you wanna solo? here have a pub match

No. My SCR rifle will stop you.
;)
lol im 23 millin and i dont even use proto XD

Yeah yeah, the fact a player is GOOD with 500kSp - 8.9 mill sp does not mean this applies to everyone. As a proven fact,gear makes the player most of the times.Just look at all these ''elite'' corps with their ''elite'' players ,running in squads , proto stomping and stat padding,but while facing you 1 v 1 with BPO they cant do s***?

The fact SOME players are good with little SP does not mean this is the general case.

Then again, i do agree with you.
WP per match/total should be considered.
IMO:
SP + total WP/wp per match could do it for metrics in order to apply for FW.

I PROPOSE that there be multiple ways of unlocking fw...5 mill sp 100,000 wp or 2000 kills

now i draw these numbers for wp and kills from this..a good logi always makes 1000wp per match..so 100 matches bam u can play fw..less if your a great logi...a good slayer gets roughly 20 kills per match ..so 100 matches same..and if you just simply blow chunks at dust youll reach 5 million wp before 2000 kills or 100,000 wp and have it unlocked anyway because u now have gear to make u good.

now i do on average 150 matches per day..so as a veteran i could see a bad ass player unlocking fw in 1 -2 days.

this allows fw to be unlocked easier by skilled players and not with an sp measure..i think all the good players in dust can agree 100k wp or 2 k kills is not a super high requirement for fw

150 matches a day? Bloody hell, how long do you spend here?
I get about 15-20.

But I think your missing the trick here, setting static goals isn't the best way to do this.
Static Goals don't require performance, just attendance.

Its better to go for a variable, something that can change per match. You should have to knock out an average performance constiently to be cleared for high-tier-ops.

It gives you something to aim for other than the grind, it can used in public contract matchmaking, or for assesment by corporations or gel-breathers.