Because CCP has the logistics class which they plan to be the best at using equipment. However, the cloak and things like e-war, hardeners, etc. are not things that the logi should excel at using but will if they are implemented as equipment. (Not to mention they just make more sense as being a part of the suit and not an outside device) It makes more sense to update the interface to include active modules because it is work that gives CCP more freedom in how to add new content to the game. Creating a game can't be about taking the easiest path, it requires taking the best path that creates a good foundation to build the game upon.

Also realize that most scouts won't use it to sneak RIGHT up onto the target.

I will probably end up using mine to stage ambushes and to make hasty get-aways.

Think of it this way. Why have a cloak going when nobody can see you?

Use the cloak to traverse high visibility areas, and let it recharge while you are hidden.

Use it for ambushes. Kill 2 targets, and the rest start running after you. Retreat into room. Stand in corner. Cloak. They walk in, don't see anything, and then continue moving, thinking that the scout has run off elsewhere. If they don't see you cloak, they can't know that you have one on.

Play smart people

Alas, poor Scout, I knew him!

The ScoutGÇÖs not gotten too much love in recent months. What started out as a bullet-strafing monster back in Chromosome has slowly been marginalized as other aspects of the game have been worked on and improved. IGÇÖm happy to say that soon the Scout class should be wholly rejuvenated (or at the very least, be in a much better place). The introduction of cloaking equipment and revamped bonuses should help the Scout find his rightful place in the battlefield hierarchy. To me, the Scout role has always been about creating a disruptive force on the battlefield. HeGÇÖs the guy that can cover enough ground quickly enough to get drop uplinks into the right places (that is, if everyone didnGÇÖt carry one, but more on that later), hack objectives back, disperse squad members (nothing makes people scatter faster than a KC-amped shotgunner) and generally make a nuisance of himself.

The Scout role will get very high PG/CPU bonuses to fitting cloak equipment, making it just about the only role that can feasibly fit a cloak field without having to sacrifice the rest of its fit. Individual race skill bonuses will create opportunities for cloaked scouts to scan further and longer than other dropsuits, to have less GÇ£shimmerGÇ¥ as they move, and have lower innate scan profiles so that they can be visually and electronically invisible. These should help create more useful assassins, intel gatherers, and saboteurs. And in time, the introduction of additional Scout specializations will be added to further push the boundaries of the little Light Suit That Could.

I fear that scouts won't be a good choice for cloaking equipment unless they get a HUGE boost to fitting reqs.

Scouts have the lowest CPU rating(apart from commandos I think) and not that much PG as well. So any medium suit will have a good chance to have more overall effective cloaked fittings. A good bonus to compensate could be that only scouts can move or sprint while cloaking is active let every other suit break the cloak when they move....

And that is a very important point that we need to make to CCP. My suggestion for this is to make the cloaking equipment cost about at least 350 CPU and about 80 PG which is enough to take up more than half the space of a Logistics Mk.0. But give the scout a fitting bonus of -99% reduction in CPU/PG usage of the item. As a result, the scout will only need just less than 5 points of CPU/PG to fit it.

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That would be good. I liked your bringing up the covert ops cloak especially.

If they develop this so you have to hold a scanner like device while running around cloaked it will be an instant loser. It is a shame they, once again, forged on with a dead in the water design. One more thing I won't use meant for scouts Just like when scanners came out.. oops! Can't fit them due to no CPU.

Regardless, I hope they overhaul everything much better for infantry than they did for vehicles.

My dreams for the cloak (without having read anyone else's):

Given just how terrible the scout suit is, I'd rather they make the cloak built-in to the scout suit. Not a module or equipment. You buy a scout suit, you get the cloak in each and every suit. Having integrated cloak would finally explain why scout suits have laughable slot and CPU/PG stats, right?

As for how I'd like it to work: always on. You move, you shimmer. You move fast, you shimmer rapidly. You stop, you go completely invisible after, say, 5 seconds. A skill might lower the total-invisibility time. You fire any weapon (including grenades but not REs), you become totally visible. You are fired upon (hit), you become totally visible. Time to regain invisibility would work like shield depletion, i.e, longer than shimmer timer.

Flux grenades would disrupt cloak and disable it for an arbitrarily long amount of time; 30 seconds?

If other suits would be allowed to use cloak, it'd be in the form of a module or equipment, would not allow movement while cloaked (only stationary to set up ambushes), and would have long cooldowns.

That's all I can think of for now.

Edit* integrated cloak scout suit would cost a little more than non-cloak scout suit, which would still be available.

I love how it says unmatched in stealth an hand to hand combat, yet it's base melee is horrible , even with my passive h2h at 3 it's only 100

I love how it says unmatched in stealth an hand to hand combat, yet it's base melee is horrible , even with my passive h2h at 3 it's only 100

What do you guys think?

As for how I'd like it to work: always on. You move, you shimmer. You move fast, you shimmer rapidly. You stop, you go completely invisible after, say, 5 seconds.

I know. It's kind of a joke. The little guy who thinks he's tuff. You can just hear the heavies laughing

The only thing melee is good for on a scout is to avoid the slash animation misfire. Another thing about their concept of melee and hand to hand differentiation is that melee is commonly referred to and accepted as combat with an edged weapon. They should just make melee and knives the same thing, and then let us use mybrofibil to boost knife and melee damage and drop the silly notion of having to use sidearm dam mods to buff knives.

Askmusturd but I believe in chrome melee on scout was the highest or close to in game, an back then I think myro worked on knives

I fear that scouts won't be a good choice for cloaking equipment unless they get a HUGE boost to fitting reqs.

Scouts have the lowest CPU rating(apart from commandos I think) and not that much PG as well. So any medium suit will have a good chance to have more overall effective cloaked fittings. A good bonus to compensate could be that only scouts can move or sprint while cloaking is active let every other suit break the cloak when they move....

Everything you said is pretty cool, save that part.


You should immediately go invisible. Or it should be 1s and reduced by skill to 0s.

The part about taking fire or getting hit by a flux/explosion is spot on. No one has mentioned that yet, and I think that would be a necessary behavior.

I can just picture some poor lonely heavy firing randomly because he knows you are closing in and you manage to just stay ahead of his fire and the last thing he hears is the charging of knives before he spins to.. BLAP

And that is a very important point that we need to make to CCP. My suggestion for this is to make the cloaking equipment cost about at least 350 CPU and about 80 PG which is enough to take up more than half the space of a Logistics Mk.0. But give the scout a fitting bonus of -99% reduction in CPU/PG usage of the item. As a result, the scout will only need just less than 5 points of CPU/PG to fit it.

In Blacklight retributon you have:

Knife
Bigger knife
Trowing knives (throw/melee - my favorite on my speed cloak class)
Machete
Crowbar
Hammer (my second melee arm)

and wierd thingies like:
Electric shurikens (throw/melee - on wall or floor working like stunt mines)
Explosive tomahawh (throw/melee - in wall or floor working lke remote explosive).

I like a cloak that has no penalties to sprinting but lasts only several seconds. Between 5 to 10 is fair. 30 Sec cool down time. This way it would be a narrow window of opportunity type of utility instead of giving you infinite ability to get around undetected.

There should be different kinds of cloaks, perhaps too: one that's more suited for speed and one that's more suited for staying cloaked more.

Lastly, CCP should be very careful with passive and active scanning around cloaks - careful thought should be given to who exactly a scout should be able to see on the radar and how far while cloaked and which suit and how easily should be able to scan down a cloaked scout. I don't know if CCP can show enough finesse to make it actually workable.