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Cyrius Li-Moody The New Age Outlaws WINMATAR. 2351	Posted - 2013.12.19 23:38:00 - [1] - Quote At what range are you supposed to actually fight against these things? They're good out to 100m. They fire as fast as you can pull the trigger. CQC is just as if not even more dangerous due to the high ROF, high alpha, and super tight hipfire spread. You never have to reload them. They practically never overheat. Where are these things supposed to be bad again? Here I am supposed to be the mid to short range champ in my minmatar assault, combat rifle, and smg and I can't out range them. I can't fight them in CQC. I can't out run them. I can't out flank them. I pretty much have to rely on them being slow or not good players. Youtuber. Your friendly neighborhood whiskey-fueled merc.
Pokey Dravon OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 1256	Posted - 2013.12.19 23:39:00 - [2] - Quote Just because they HIT at 100, doesn't mean they're doing much damage. Rail Rifle out ranges Scrambler rifle by a decent margin. ADS Reports - Defining Racial Themes
xxwhitedevilxx M Maphia Clan Unit Unicorn 1316	Posted - 2013.12.19 23:44:00 - [3] - Quote Pokey Dravon wrote: Just because they HIT at 100, doesn't mean they're doing much damage. Rail Rifle out ranges Scrambler rifle by a decent margin. This, also, if Scrambler users miss the first charged shot they're over. Tank 514.
Protocake JR Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 1160	Posted - 2013.12.19 23:44:00 - [4] - Quote I overheat sometimes with the Viziam in CQC or popup cover battles. Also, the current Scrambler Rifle is on par, in terms of stopping power and versatility, with rail rifles and combat rifles. The PC and SL should fit into Sidearm/ Equipment slots so it's accessible and practical to carry one. AV spam vs V spam
Martyr Saboteur Amarrtyrs 4	Posted - 2013.12.19 23:45:00 - [5] - Quote Cyrius Li-Moody wrote: At what range are you supposed to actually fight against these things? They're good out to 100m. They fire as fast as you can pull the trigger. CQC is just as if not even more dangerous due to the high ROF, high alpha, and super tight hipfire spread. You never have to reload them. They practically never overheat. Where are these things supposed to be bad again? Here I am supposed to be the mid to short range champ in my minmatar assault, combat rifle, and smg and I can't out range them. I can't fight them in CQC. I can't out run them. I can't out flank them. I pretty much have to rely on them being slow or not good players. The Rail Rifle has just as much range as them, and is a great counter to them because of this. It doesn't overheat and is better at short and med range because of its tight hipfire. ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQTSTALLION... I AM THE STALLION
1st Lieutenant Tiberius 0uter.Heaven 676	Posted - 2013.12.19 23:48:00 - [6] - Quote The ScR is the best 1v1 weapon, if you take on any ScR user worth their salt solo you'll go down. Bring friends and rush em, I guarantee you will overwhelm them. The Sinwarden
Scheneighnay McBob Bojo's School of the Trades 3289	Posted - 2013.12.19 23:49:00 - [7] - Quote As with most weapons, possible range is not realistic range, due to recoil and sights. We used to have a time machine
Cyrius Li-Moody The New Age Outlaws WINMATAR. 2352	Posted - 2013.12.19 23:50:00 - [8] - Quote 1st Lieutenant Tiberius wrote: The ScR is the best 1v1 weapon, if you take on any ScR user worth their salt solo you'll go down. Bring friends and rush em, I guarantee you will overwhelm them. Yeah which is kind of my point. You can't take them 1v1 at any range with confidence that isn't beyond their optimal if that player isn't half brain dead. I am a good player and take some pride in my ability to fight in CQC 1v1 and scramblers are the most infuriating things to fight. Youtuber. Your friendly neighborhood whiskey-fueled merc.
1st Lieutenant Tiberius 0uter.Heaven 676	Posted - 2013.12.19 23:53:00 - [9] - Quote Cyrius Li-Moody wrote: 1st Lieutenant Tiberius wrote: The ScR is the best 1v1 weapon, if you take on any ScR user worth their salt solo you'll go down. Bring friends and rush em, I guarantee you will overwhelm them. Yeah which is kind of my point. You can't take them 1v1 at any range with confidence that isn't beyond their optimal if that player isn't half brain dead. I am a good player and scrambler are the most infuriating things to fight when someone knows you're there because they can pop you so damn quick. Exactly, which is why its the ultimate 1v1 weapon; its weakness comes in prolonged engagements and multiple opponents The Sinwarden
Cyrius Li-Moody The New Age Outlaws WINMATAR. 2353	Posted - 2013.12.20 00:01:00 - [10] - Quote 1st Lieutenant Tiberius wrote: Exactly, which is why its the ultimate 1v1 weapon; its weakness comes in prolonged engagements and multiple opponents Well at least they made that charge sound loud as hell so I can hear when my death is about to be served. Youtuber. Your friendly neighborhood whiskey-fueled merc.

True Adamance Scions of Athra 5084	Posted - 2013.12.20 00:02:00 - [11] - Quote 1st Lieutenant Tiberius wrote: Cyrius Li-Moody wrote: 1st Lieutenant Tiberius wrote: The ScR is the best 1v1 weapon, if you take on any ScR user worth their salt solo you'll go down. Bring friends and rush em, I guarantee you will overwhelm them. Yeah which is kind of my point. You can't take them 1v1 at any range with confidence that isn't beyond their optimal if that player isn't half brain dead. I am a good player and scrambler are the most infuriating things to fight when someone knows you're there because they can pop you so damn quick. Exactly, which is why its the ultimate 1v1 weapon; its weakness comes in prolonged engagements and multiple opponents I'm going to go out on a limb and say given the Amarr predilection for long range fire power and the ability to control the engagement at long range they are made for open country. All I can say from using the combat rifle is that any ScR user will be torn up/ given a run for their money by the Combat rifle in CQC given its 1200 RoF. I mean in close quarters I am unstoppable given my sheer bullet out put and high Armour coupled with fast reps. Its only nades that stop me. To a Texan like you, a hero is some type of weird sandwich, not some nut who takes on three Gunlogi. Reference = ISK
Cyrius Li-Moody The New Age Outlaws WINMATAR. 2353	Posted - 2013.12.20 00:05:00 - [12] - Quote True Adamance wrote: 1st Lieutenant Tiberius wrote: Cyrius Li-Moody wrote: 1st Lieutenant Tiberius wrote: The ScR is the best 1v1 weapon, if you take on any ScR user worth their salt solo you'll go down. Bring friends and rush em, I guarantee you will overwhelm them. Yeah which is kind of my point. You can't take them 1v1 at any range with confidence that isn't beyond their optimal if that player isn't half brain dead. I am a good player and scrambler are the most infuriating things to fight when someone knows you're there because they can pop you so damn quick. Exactly, which is why its the ultimate 1v1 weapon; its weakness comes in prolonged engagements and multiple opponents I'm going to go out on a limb and say given the Amarr predilection for long range fire power and the ability to control the engagement at long range they are made for open country. All I can say from using the combat rifle is that any ScR user will be torn up/ given a run for their money by the Combat rifle in CQC given its 1200 RoF. I mean in close quarters I am unstoppable given my sheer bullet out put and high Armour coupled with fast reps. Its only nades that stop me. Maybe on another suit perhaps. Toe to toe in my proto minnie assault vs a proto amarr assault I lose almost every time. Being shield based my main buffer is down before their shields are down. If you can get past their shields you have a chance to keep poking at them to take them down but I always get alphad down in CQC unless I hit that guy from his 6 oclock first. Youtuber. Your friendly neighborhood whiskey-fueled merc.
Arkena Wyrnspire Turalyon 514 Turalyon Alliance 6478	Posted - 2013.12.20 00:47:00 - [13] - Quote I find that CQC with a high RoF weapon can work, or going right up and goading them into overheating. Level 6 Forum Warrior Lenin of the glorious armoured revolution Gallente FW - 'Turalyon'
Sigberct Amni Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 298	Posted - 2013.12.20 00:53:00 - [14] - Quote Your engaging a weapon designed to melt shields in a shield suit? Well thats smart. That would be like me whining about CRs and RRs in my gal logi suit. Get another suit or choose your engagements better. Or write some more words about it.
Nocturnal Soul Immortal Retribution 1304	Posted - 2013.12.20 00:54:00 - [15] - Quote Are charged shot can be are greatest downfall. Plus with all the cqc maps why the hell are you complaining about? "The trick to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources..." Albert Einstein
Arx Ardashir Imperium Aeternum 279	Posted - 2013.12.20 00:56:00 - [16] - Quote Cyrius Li-Moody wrote: They practically never overheat. I must be terrible. :(
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 4251	Posted - 2013.12.20 01:06:00 - [17] - Quote If you're bringing a Combat Rifle, and you're dying against a Scrambler Rifle, they have the advantage in eHP. If they straight-up have more HP than you, you're at a disadvantage because you have to out-DPS them just to keep up, and need even more damage if you want to try and win. If they have a shield-tanked suit and so do you, then their shields give them a natural resistance to your weapon, while your own shields are at a disadvantage against them. If they can open the encounter with a charged shot - especially if it's a headshot - you've basically lost because of the high burst damage putting you at a disadvantage. A good headshot modifier on top of the bonus to shield damage AND a charged shot means you don't have much you can do to turn the fight back to your favour. Your weapon is slightly more efficient in CQC, but not by enough to negate the advantage of damage type. If you buff your suit's armour, that should help you to turn things more into your favour, but it will get eaten fast by enemies with armour-shredding weapons like your own.
True Adamance Scions of Athra 5086	Posted - 2013.12.20 01:09:00 - [18] - Quote Arx Ardashir wrote: Cyrius Li-Moody wrote: They practically never overheat. I must be terrible. :( Same I seem to overheat at the worse possible time..... To a Texan like you, a hero is some type of weird sandwich, not some nut who takes on three Gunlogi. Reference = ISK
True Adamance Scions of Athra 5086	Posted - 2013.12.20 01:10:00 - [19] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: I find that CQC with a high RoF weapon can work, or going right up and goading them into overheating. Rail Rifles are our easiest counter, but a CQC Combat Rifle melts armour suits To a Texan like you, a hero is some type of weird sandwich, not some nut who takes on three Gunlogi. Reference = ISK
Nocturnal Soul Immortal Retribution 1305	Posted - 2013.12.20 01:13:00 - [20] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Arx Ardashir wrote: Cyrius Li-Moody wrote: They practically never overheat. I must be terrible. :( Same I seem to overheat at the worse possible time..... I am also a victim of this terrible mechanic. "The trick to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources..." Albert Einstein

True Adamance Scions of Athra 5086	Posted - 2013.12.20 01:14:00 - [21] - Quote Nocturnal Soul wrote: True Adamance wrote: Arx Ardashir wrote: Cyrius Li-Moody wrote: They practically never overheat. I must be terrible. :( Same I seem to overheat at the worse possible time..... I am also a victim of this terrible mechanic. I like overheat in general...I just hate when I inflict it upon myself. To a Texan like you, a hero is some type of weird sandwich, not some nut who takes on three Gunlogi. Reference = ISK
Dimmu Borgir II The New Age Outlaws WINMATAR. 206	Posted - 2013.12.20 01:18:00 - [22] - Quote Well I think that even as an incredibly good player (like you!), you shouldn't always be able to beat every single weapon 1 v 1, that's kind of the point of having different weapons to create balanced teams and give everyone a shot. If paper covered scissors (crappy christmas present!) everyone would pull out the paper in RPS every time, if it weren't for scissors the game would be horribly unbalanced and everyone would be paper (ironically, kind of what our drop-suits feel like they're made out of when faced with a scrambler rifle!). Scissors = Scrambler rifle. Paper = All dropsuits except for heavies. Rock = Heavies. Blue is good, red is bad, orange you glad you're not red?
Lanius Pulvis Kinsho Swords Caldari State 118	Posted - 2013.12.20 01:25:00 - [23] - Quote Your example of going against a proto suit that is precisely optimized for this weapon is a poor choice to demonstrate it being OP. If you go head to head against a proto Amar assault wielding a SCR, you should expect, nay....deserve to die... Nothing against you personally, I'm sure you're a lovely person. Not new, just new to you.
Lynn Beck Granite Mercenary Division Top Men. 386	Posted - 2013.12.20 01:28:00 - [24] - Quote I still find it a problem that there isn't a single weapon 'bar shotgun/novas' that can 1v1 a SINGLE player using scramblers. This was what got the heavy nerfed back in chromo "it takes 2-3 people to drop 1 guy? THAT's Op!" I find it extremely annoying that even if i shoot FIRST, and hit him 3-4 bursts before he shoots 1 shot, he's already won, simply because i didn't bring a 1hko nor more HP than him. Under 28db Officially nerfproof (predicting CR nerf February '14) I have a God, His name is Dakka.
Darth-Carbonite GIO Dust2Dust. Top Men. 300	Posted - 2013.12.20 01:40:00 - [25] - Quote Another QQ post wrote: You never have to reload them. They practically never overheat. Exaggerating much? Pro-Tip: Don't run straight at a scrambler, take him out from the flank. You'll be surprised how much better you will do if you start playing smart. Preeminent Scrambler Rifle User & Dropship Enthusiast
True Adamance Scions of Athra 5092	Posted - 2013.12.20 01:44:00 - [26] - Quote Lynn Beck wrote: I still find it a problem that there isn't a single weapon 'bar shotgun/novas' that can 1v1 a SINGLE player using scramblers. This was what got the heavy nerfed back in chromo "it takes 2-3 people to drop 1 guy? THAT's Op!" I find it extremely annoying that even if i shoot FIRST, and hit him 3-4 bursts before he shoots 1 shot, he's already won, simply because i didn't bring a 1hko nor more HP than him. .... Combat Rifle, Rail Rifle, AR, Shotgun, Scrambler Pistol (yes it can be done pop yourself into a dual ScP scout suit and you will see how easy). To a Texan like you, a hero is some type of weird sandwich, not some nut who takes on three Gunlogi. Reference = ISK
CommanderBolt ACME SPECIAL FORCES 439	Posted - 2013.12.20 02:00:00 - [27] - Quote Cyrius Li-Moody wrote: 1st Lieutenant Tiberius wrote: Exactly, which is why its the ultimate 1v1 weapon; its weakness comes in prolonged engagements and multiple opponents Well at least they made that charge sound loud as hell so I can hear when my death is about to be served. Haha ain't that the truth! Does anyone else like me have multiple characters and just wishes they had all the SP into one character? I mean I love my tanker character, I actually have more fun on my tanker than anything else. I have over 20m sp here on Commander but I would KILL for a respec. I honestly would.
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 4251	Posted - 2013.12.20 02:14:00 - [28] - Quote Lynn Beck wrote: I still find it a problem that there isn't a single weapon 'bar shotgun/novas' that can 1v1 a SINGLE player using scramblers. This was what got the heavy nerfed back in chromo "it takes 2-3 people to drop 1 guy? THAT's Op!" I find it extremely annoying that even if i shoot FIRST, and hit him 3-4 bursts before he shoots 1 shot, he's already won, simply because i didn't bring a 1hko nor more HP than him. Sniper Rifle or Rail Rifle at extreme range. Any weapon that's strong against the enemy suit's main tank while you're in an armour-tanked suit. When I said eHP, I meant eHP, NOT raw HP. You don't need a higher amount of pure HP to have the eHP advantage. You can have a WEAKER armour-tanked suit and a shield-heavy weapon against that Amarr suit with Scrambler, and even though he has a larger number for total HP, your eHP is higher because he loses damage once he's broken your shields. In a straight-up fight, you're damage-racing your opponent. You win a damage race by one-shotting them with high burst damage, by increasing your DPS and/or reducing theirs, or by increasing your eHP pool. Burst damage: Shotgun, Knives, Sniper Rifle. DPS: Rail Rifle at long range - you get higher damage output, you win. eHP: Bring an armour tank to negate their shield bonus, and bring a weapon that's strong against their tank. The OP is bringing an armour-focused weapon while the enemy has a shield-damaging weapon, and they both have shield-tanked suits. What do you think is going to happen there? It's about as good as using Flux Grenades on a Gallente suit and catching your own Caldari suit in the blast, then complaining that you died faster when using the same weapons.
THEAMAZING POTHEAD Nyain San Renegade Alliance 690	Posted - 2013.12.20 02:21:00 - [29] - Quote An amarr Ak.0 can fit three damage mods and proficiency 5 imperial and still have 700+ armor along w/ an allotek or k17d nanohive, giving him 900 ehp+a super fast rep rate, and the highest DPS of any gun in the game, whilst you're using a combat rifle, the lowest DPS rifle. Yeah, that RPM of 1200 still gives the assault the lowest DPS, and the burst...lolburst. You're completely outclassed cyrius, you got no choice but to use speed and tactis, which are currently unimportant due to aim assist and hit detection, which gave rise to DPS and brick tank, the opposite of what minmatar tech was designed to do.
KING CHECKMATE Scions of Athra 3383	Posted - 2013.12.20 02:27:00 - [30] - Quote Cyrius Li-Moody wrote: At what range are you supposed to actually fight against these things? They're good out to 100m. They fire as fast as you can pull the trigger. CQC is just as if not even more dangerous due to the high ROF, high alpha, and super tight hipfire spread. You never have to reload them. They practically never overheat. Where are these things supposed to be bad again? Here I am supposed to be the mid to short range champ in my minmatar assault, combat rifle, and smg and I can't out range them. I can't fight them in CQC. I can't out run them. I can't out flank them. I pretty much have to rely on them being slow or not good players. QQ MOAR. Read the first 6-7 posts and learn something. LEt me tell you, if the SCR is so op how come is the LEAST used Rifle now?... Yeah, didnt think so. The mere fact it has a horrible OVERHEAT mechanic and 80% to armor (every other rifle has at MOST a 10% penalty on shield/armor) Makes them on par,if not UNDERPOWERED with the other rifles. Just ....shush... AV-TANK BALANCE = https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1612446#post1612446

Cyrius Li-Moody The New Age Outlaws WINMATAR. 2356	Posted - 2013.12.20 02:29:00 - [31] - Quote Darth-Carbonite GIO wrote: Another QQ post wrote: You never have to reload them. They practically never overheat. Exaggerating much? Pro-Tip: Don't run straight at a scrambler, take him out from the flank. You'll be surprised how much better you will do if you start playing smart. Lol. What do you think i do wave, ask him for a cup of tea? When you flank, get the jump, get that half second advantage and still get 1200 damage to you at 3m in a couple shots it's frustrating. When you're flanking and trying to keep moving cover to cover and then he hits you for literally 1800 damage in an instant it's pretty frustrating. Also, yeah I use this thing and you rarely have to reload it as it only takes like 5 rounds to kill a guy if you're not a horrible shot. Youtuber. Your friendly neighborhood whiskey-fueled merc.
1st Lieutenant Tiberius 0uter.Heaven 678	Posted - 2013.12.20 02:30:00 - [32] - Quote Lynn Beck wrote: I still find it a problem that there isn't a single weapon 'bar shotgun/novas' that can 1v1 a SINGLE player using scramblers. Again, that is the point of the Scrambler Rifle, you have the ability to dominate a single opponent with immense amounts of alpha damage potential but its overheat mechanic limits its target effectiveness to one opponent at a time, because if not, you seize up and are unable to sprint or change weapons. Unlike the Duvolle AR, Kaalakiota RR and the Boundless Combat RIfle which has the potential damage output and clip size to take out more than one opponent before having to reload But there are other factors which skilled ScR players use like heat management, delayed trigger firing or clever use of cover and as other people have mentioned shield tankers are the Amarr ScR Assault's natural prey. The Sinwarden
True Adamance Scions of Athra 5096	Posted - 2013.12.20 02:34:00 - [33] - Quote Cyrius Li-Moody wrote: Darth-Carbonite GIO wrote: Another QQ post wrote: You never have to reload them. They practically never overheat. Exaggerating much? Pro-Tip: Don't run straight at a scrambler, take him out from the flank. You'll be surprised how much better you will do if you start playing smart. Lol. What do you think i do wave, ask him for a cup of tea? When you flank, get the jump, get that half second advantage and still get 1200 damage to you at 3m in a couple shots it's frustrating. When you're flanking and trying to keep moving cover to cover and then he hits you for literally 1800 damage in an instant it's pretty frustrating. Also, yeah I use this thing and you rarely have to reload it as it only takes like 5 rounds to kill a guy if you're not a horrible shot. I'd be nice if you did instead of having your lackey Mr Mustard shoot me in the head when I'm bringing you my world famous Nanohive scones.... To a Texan like you, a hero is some type of weird sandwich, not some nut who takes on three Gunlogi. Reference = ISK
1st Lieutenant Tiberius 0uter.Heaven 678	Posted - 2013.12.20 02:36:00 - [34] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: Cyrius Li-Moody wrote: At what range are you supposed to actually fight against these things? They're good out to 100m. They fire as fast as you can pull the trigger. CQC is just as if not even more dangerous due to the high ROF, high alpha, and super tight hipfire spread. You never have to reload them. They practically never overheat. Where are these things supposed to be bad again? Here I am supposed to be the mid to short range champ in my minmatar assault, combat rifle, and smg and I can't out range them. I can't fight them in CQC. I can't out run them. I can't out flank them. I pretty much have to rely on them being slow or not good players. QQ MOAR. Read the first 6-7 posts and learn something. LEt me tell you, if the SCR is so op how come is the LEAST used Rifle now?... Yeah, didnt think so. The mere fact it has a horrible OVERHEAT mechanic and 80% to armor (every other rifle has at MOST a 10% penalty on shield/armor) Makes them on par,if not UNDERPOWERED with the other rifles. Just ....shush... Hey come on now, lets have a civil discussion about this. I'm really liking the way the Rifle balance is in 1.7 I'm glad all the racial rifles are out now. I've died by a GEK, SB-39 AND RS-10 all in the same game. Its pretty cool. The Sinwarden
Cyrius Li-Moody The New Age Outlaws WINMATAR. 2356	Posted - 2013.12.20 02:37:00 - [35] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Cyrius Li-Moody wrote: Darth-Carbonite GIO wrote: Another QQ post wrote: You never have to reload them. They practically never overheat. Exaggerating much? Pro-Tip: Don't run straight at a scrambler, take him out from the flank. You'll be surprised how much better you will do if you start playing smart. Lol. What do you think i do wave, ask him for a cup of tea? When you flank, get the jump, get that half second advantage and still get 1200 damage to you at 3m in a couple shots it's frustrating. When you're flanking and trying to keep moving cover to cover and then he hits you for literally 1800 damage in an instant it's pretty frustrating. Also, yeah I use this thing and you rarely have to reload it as it only takes like 5 rounds to kill a guy if you're not a horrible shot. I'd be nice if you did instead of having your lackey Mr Mustard shoot me in the head when I'm bringing you my world famous Nanohive scones.... it's more like I'm his lackey. :D Youtuber. Your friendly neighborhood whiskey-fueled merc.
1st Lieutenant Tiberius 0uter.Heaven 678	Posted - 2013.12.20 02:38:00 - [36] - Quote Also, I really really enjoy your vids Cyrius. I'd say your channel is my favorite Dust youtube channel +1 The Sinwarden
Patrick57 Fatal Absolution 2222	Posted - 2013.12.20 02:43:00 - [37] - Quote 1st Lieutenant Tiberius wrote: The ScR is the best 1v1 weapon, if you take on any ScR user worth their salt solo you'll go down. Bring friends and rush em, I guarantee you will overwhelm them. I like dodging around their shots :) I played against CatDog once and dodged every one of his shots :D When I'm depressed, I cut myself......A BIG SLICE OF CHOCOLATE CAKE! nú+
Cyrius Li-Moody The New Age Outlaws WINMATAR. 2356	Posted - 2013.12.20 02:43:00 - [38] - Quote People get really defensive of this thing. I just think it's way too good from the hip in CQC. Sorry folks that's my stance. Youtuber. Your friendly neighborhood whiskey-fueled merc.
Patrick57 Fatal Absolution 2222	Posted - 2013.12.20 02:44:00 - [39] - Quote Cyrius Li-Moody wrote: People get really defensive of this thing. I just think it's way too good from the hip in CQC. Sorry folks that's my stance. It is ._. Should be lazor accurate and have slightly less damage in CQC IMO. When I'm depressed, I cut myself......A BIG SLICE OF CHOCOLATE CAKE! nú+
Cyrius Li-Moody The New Age Outlaws WINMATAR. 2356	Posted - 2013.12.20 02:46:00 - [40] - Quote 1st Lieutenant Tiberius wrote: Also, I really really enjoy your vids Cyrius. I'd say your channel is my favorite Dust youtube channel +1 Thanks man. I try to be entertaining. :D Youtuber. Your friendly neighborhood whiskey-fueled merc.

Dimmu Borgir II The New Age Outlaws WINMATAR. 207	Posted - 2013.12.20 02:56:00 - [41] - Quote Darth-Carbonite GIO wrote: Another QQ post wrote: You never have to reload them. They practically never overheat. Exaggerating much? Pro-Tip: Don't run straight at a scrambler, take him out from the flank. You'll be surprised how much better you will do if you start playing smart. Cyrius ("Another QQ post" as you so stupidly put it!) is one of the best players of this game that I've ever seen and one of the best flankers in the game dude, watch his videos and then slowly feel the stupidity creeping up your face in the form of RED when you go back and read your words again - "start playing smart" and "Pro-Tip" hahahahaha you're funny, funny like a clown... Blue is good, red is bad, orange you glad you're not red?
True Adamance Scions of Athra 5101	Posted - 2013.12.20 02:59:00 - [42] - Quote Dimmu Borgir II wrote: Darth-Carbonite GIO wrote: Another QQ post wrote: You never have to reload them. They practically never overheat. Exaggerating much? Pro-Tip: Don't run straight at a scrambler, take him out from the flank. You'll be surprised how much better you will do if you start playing smart. Cyrius ("Another QQ post" as you so stupidly put it!) is one of the best players of this game that I've ever seen and one of the best flankers in the game dude, watch his videos and then slowly feel the stupidity creeping up your face in the form of RED when you go back and read your words again - "start playing smart" and "Pro-Tip" hahahahaha you're funny, funny like a clown... Don't I know it, but the ScR is a single taget high alpha gun, it fulfils its role as intended. Your corp primarily shield tanks I take it since you are the BEST Minmatar FW corp out there Dust side, then ScR eats you alive just like the CR eats us Amarr alive. To a Texan like you, a hero is some type of weird sandwich, not some nut who takes on three Gunlogi. Reference = ISK
1st Lieutenant Tiberius 0uter.Heaven 678	Posted - 2013.12.20 02:59:00 - [43] - Quote Cyrius Li-Moody wrote: People get really defensive of this thing. I just think it's way too good from the hip in CQC. Sorry folks that's my stance. I'm in no way being defensive of the weapon. In fact I believe all weapons are good from the hip in CQC... Combat Rifles are AMAZING in Hip Fire CQC, Rail Rifle's are equally as amazing in the right hands, and I dont even have to say anything about the AR I would know since I have all 4 rifles with at least prof 2 It is an Amarr made Assault RIfle, it isn't a Niche Weapon, its the standard issue rifle of the Amarr Faction and I believe that all the weapons now are equally as devastating when used correctly. For me the ScR is like a mid range sniper rifle; when used by Caldari, Minmatar or Gallente suits you have powerful Charge shots that could critically wound an opponent but is limited by its extreme heat build up thus working like a low ROF Sniper RIfle; focusing on making every charge shot count with a generous delay between charge shots for cooldown to take place But With the ak.0 and its heat sink, it turns into the Dust equivalent to a modern Designated Marksman Rifle, able to fire highly accurate, damaging rounds down a very generous range, but still able to be used as a breaching tool in mid and close ranged combat. Just like the CR is the equivalent to the modern Famas the AR to a M4A1 and the RR to an LMG like the SAW I'd say the ScR is most like a Mk 14 EBR :D The Sinwarden
True Adamance Scions of Athra 5101	Posted - 2013.12.20 03:01:00 - [44] - Quote 1st Lieutenant Tiberius wrote: Cyrius Li-Moody wrote: People get really defensive of this thing. I just think it's way too good from the hip in CQC. Sorry folks that's my stance. I'm in no way being defensive of the weapon. In fact I believe all weapons are good from the hip in CQC... Combat Rifles are AMAZING in Hip Fire CQC, Rail Rifle's are equally as amazing in the right hands, and I dont even have to say anything about the AR I would know since I have all 4 rifles with at least prof 2 It is an Amarr made Assault RIfle, it isn't a Niche Weapon, its the standard issue rifle of the Amarr Faction and I believe that all the weapons now are equally as devastating when used correctly. For me the ScR is like a mid range sniper rifle; when used by Caldari, Minmatar or Gallente suits you have powerful Charge shots that could critically wound an opponent but is limited by its extreme heat build up thus working like a low ROF Sniper RIfle; focusing on making every charge shot count with a generous delay between charge shots for cooldown to take place But With the ak.0 and its heat sink, it turns into the Dust equivalent to a modern Designated Marksman Rifle, able to fire highly accurate, damaging rounds down a very generous range, but still able to be used as a breaching tool in mid and close ranged combat. Just like the CR is the equivalent to the modern Famas the AR to a M4A1 and the RR to an LMG like the SAW I'd say the ScR is a cross between a DMR and an M1 Garand :D I would have considered the Rail Rifles as the equivalent of the SCAR-H rifle. To a Texan like you, a hero is some type of weird sandwich, not some nut who takes on three Gunlogi. Reference = ISK
1st Lieutenant Tiberius 0uter.Heaven 678	Posted - 2013.12.20 03:04:00 - [45] - Quote True Adamance wrote: 1st Lieutenant Tiberius wrote: Cyrius Li-Moody wrote: People get really defensive of this thing. I just think it's way too good from the hip in CQC. Sorry folks that's my stance. Just like the CR is the equivalent to the modern Famas the AR to a M4A1 and the RR to an LMG like the SAW I'd say the ScR is a cross between a DMR and an M1 Garand :D I would have considered the Rail Rifles as the equivalent of the SCAR-H rifle. Oh good point, I definitely agree. I also edited the post to say the ScR was like an Mk 14 EBR instead lol But I digress. I say the RR is like a SAW because it just feels like such a powerful LMG when I'm firing at full auto into reds in open ground, watching their bodies go limp and fly off with every powerful round the Kaalakiota RR spits out The Sinwarden
Cyrius Li-Moody The New Age Outlaws WINMATAR. 2357	Posted - 2013.12.20 03:07:00 - [46] - Quote The full auto CR is definitely a FAMAS in nature. Can i haz extended clip? :D Youtuber. Your friendly neighborhood whiskey-fueled merc.
1st Lieutenant Tiberius 0uter.Heaven 679	Posted - 2013.12.20 03:12:00 - [47] - Quote Cyrius Li-Moody wrote: The full auto CR is definitely a FAMAS in nature. I honestly don't see the point of using the Full auto CR From my experience and those of others I learned that If you get the "Tap" down with the boundless I guarantee people will be convinced that you're using a full auto weapon and not a burst fire, the 1200 RPM really rewards players with fast trigger fingers; the weapon has about 35 Damage per round which means at a 3 round burst it deals approximately 100 damage with a 120% effectiveness to armor, that is directly equivalent to the amount of damage available to ScR users bar the Charge shot. The Sinwarden
Roy Ventus Foxhound Corporation General Tso's Alliance 748	Posted - 2013.12.20 03:15:00 - [48] - Quote 1st Lieutenant Tiberius wrote: The ScR is the best 1v1 weapon, if you take on any ScR user worth their salt solo you'll go down. Bring friends and rush em, I guarantee you will overwhelm them. Nah. If the gun is balanced it has a counter. And that counter would be a proper ACR/SMG+Strafe combo. They both have high rate of fire but ultimately the spray factor of the ACR/SMG is MUCH more effective. "There once was a time when there wasn't a Roy Ventus and it wasn't much of a time at all." Roy Ventus
True Adamance Scions of Athra 5103	Posted - 2013.12.20 03:16:00 - [49] - Quote 1st Lieutenant Tiberius wrote: Cyrius Li-Moody wrote: The full auto CR is definitely a FAMAS in nature. I honestly don't see the point of using the Full auto CR From my experience and those of others I learned that If you get the "Tap" down with the boundless I guarantee people will be convinced that you're using a full auto weapon and not a burst fire, the 1200 RPM really rewards players with fast trigger fingers; the weapon has about 35 Damage per round which means at a 3 round burst it deals approximately 100 damage with a 120% effectiveness to armor, that is directly equivalent to the amount of damage available to ScR users bar the Charge shot. Indeed I never thought about it like that..... I think I can pump out about 5-8 rounds a second with the ScR but with the CR I can easily match that volume of fire in bursts. Not to mention the CR is more forgiving when strafing. To a Texan like you, a hero is some type of weird sandwich, not some nut who takes on three Gunlogi. Reference = ISK
1st Lieutenant Tiberius 0uter.Heaven 679	Posted - 2013.12.20 03:17:00 - [50] - Quote Cyrius Li-Moody wrote: The full auto CR is definitely a FAMAS in nature. Can i haz extended clip? :D I think the Minmatar Assault bonus needs to apply to the Combat Rifle. The Amarr Assault is currently, IMO, the best assault suit in the game because it gives a direct bonus to the faction's weapons efficiency and effectiveness. An Increased Clip size to the Combat Rifle will make Minmatar Assault suits the best choice to use the CR with which would also increase its effectiveness If they brought back the Reload Speed bonus to Caldari Suits I think it would increase the effectiveness of Rail Rifles as well, able to spit out its ammo reserve of high damage rounds faster and with less delay (although the rifle suffers from low ammo count, more so than the Combat Rifle) I think the Gallente Assault bonus is spot on as well though The Sinwarden

Son-Of A-Gun 3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance 675	Posted - 2013.12.20 03:18:00 - [51] - Quote Cyrius Li-Moody wrote: At what range are you supposed to actually fight against these things? They're good out to 100m. They fire as fast as you can pull the trigger. CQC is just as if not even more dangerous due to the high ROF, high alpha, and super tight hipfire spread. You never have to reload them. They practically never overheat. Where are these things supposed to be bad again? Here I am supposed to be the mid to short range champ in my minmatar assault, combat rifle, and smg and I can't out range them. I can't fight them in CQC. I can't out run them. I can't out flank them. I pretty much have to rely on them being slow or not good players. There largest drawback lies in the following: 120% damage to shield 80% damage to armor My main is a Gallente, and he eats scrambler rifles for breakfast. Its Alfa may be high but it is a major drawback to be so inefective against half the potential combatants on the battlefield (Amarr/Gallente). {:)}{3GÇó>
1st Lieutenant Tiberius 0uter.Heaven 679	Posted - 2013.12.20 03:29:00 - [52] - Quote Roy Ventus wrote: 1st Lieutenant Tiberius wrote: The ScR is the best 1v1 weapon, if you take on any ScR user worth their salt solo you'll go down. Bring friends and rush em, I guarantee you will overwhelm them. Nah. If the gun is balanced it has a counter. And that counter would be a proper ACR/SMG+Strafe combo. They both have high rate of fire but ultimately the spray factor of the ACR/SMG is MUCH more effective. I'm not sure I completely understand what you're trying to say. The best counter to the ScR is an Assault Combat Rifle + SMG combo on a fast strafing suit? I definitely agree. Why'd you quote my post and say Nah tho? The Sinwarden
Roy Ventus Foxhound Corporation General Tso's Alliance 749	Posted - 2013.12.20 03:36:00 - [53] - Quote 1st Lieutenant Tiberius wrote: Roy Ventus wrote: 1st Lieutenant Tiberius wrote: The ScR is the best 1v1 weapon, if you take on any ScR user worth their salt solo you'll go down. Bring friends and rush em, I guarantee you will overwhelm them. Nah. If the gun is balanced it has a counter. And that counter would be a proper ACR/SMG+Strafe combo. They both have high rate of fire but ultimately the spray factor of the ACR/SMG is MUCH more effective. I'm not sure I completely understand what you're trying to say. The best counter to the ScR is an Assault Combat Rifle + SMG combo on a fast strafing suit? I definitely agree. Why'd you quote my post and say Nah tho? o-o I thought someone would get confused. I meant that either weapon would be useful in that situation. I quoted you because you said 1v1 and I disagreed lol. Were you only speaking about 1v1 with other Rifles? If so, can't disagree there. "There once was a time when there wasn't a Roy Ventus and it wasn't much of a time at all." Roy Ventus
Kal Kronos L.O.T.I.S. Public Disorder. 157	Posted - 2013.12.20 03:38:00 - [54] - Quote Hipfire box is broke ass, people are starting to think they are awesome because the hipfire box is too big and lets them spam trigger and kill anything. Make hip fire near laser sized and we will see people use the gun correctly, because honestly most of us don't and won't ever get paid to play games... we aren't that good. Sadly this gun give people a false sense of ability, "man im so good I go x-y every game and I have xx.xx kdr." I use it and it's broke, I'm decent at fps but this gun makes me jesus vs. dumb scrubs and almost any player not using the same gun. What's not to love about the scrambler rifle, the thing is a precision weapon and at the same time a shotgun.
1st Lieutenant Tiberius 0uter.Heaven 679	Posted - 2013.12.20 03:39:00 - [55] - Quote Roy Ventus wrote: 1st Lieutenant Tiberius wrote: Roy Ventus wrote: 1st Lieutenant Tiberius wrote: The ScR is the best 1v1 weapon, if you take on any ScR user worth their salt solo you'll go down. Bring friends and rush em, I guarantee you will overwhelm them. Nah. If the gun is balanced it has a counter. And that counter would be a proper ACR/SMG+Strafe combo. They both have high rate of fire but ultimately the spray factor of the ACR/SMG is MUCH more effective. I'm not sure I completely understand what you're trying to say. The best counter to the ScR is an Assault Combat Rifle + SMG combo on a fast strafing suit? I definitely agree. Why'd you quote my post and say Nah tho? o-o I thought someone would get confused. I meant that either weapon would be useful in that situation. I quoted you because you said 1v1 and I disagreed lol. Were you only speaking about 1v1 with other Rifles? If so, can't disagree there. Oh I see, well yes a skilled player will of course dominate every 1v1 situation. BUT I believe that the ScR (as in the weapon itself) is the ultimate 1v1 weapon unlike the other rifles where the only limiting factor to engaging multiple targets is its clip size. Im speaking simply regarding weapon mechanics and characteristics The Sinwarden
KING CHECKMATE Scions of Athra 3386	Posted - 2013.12.20 03:42:00 - [56] - Quote 1st Lieutenant Tiberius wrote: Hey come on now, lets have a civil discussion about this. I'm really liking the way the Rifle balance is in 1.7 I'm glad all the racial rifles are out now. I've died by a GEK, SB-39 AND RS-10 all in the same game. Its pretty cool. Im trying,but people sayign the SCR is ''OP'' is PURE saltiness. No one is even using them anymore because ofAuto versions ovf every other rifle and everybody is my butt at 80+mts with rail rifles and in CQ with A.CR/CR and somehow , the whine is still with the SCR... My patience has its limits ... And its not like if you NERF the SCR i cant just pick a RR and do equally good or better...Yesterday testing the damn weapons went 30-4 with a Dragonfly C-1 BPO and a basic RR LOL.. Yes , rifles feel pretty balanced now. The QQ against the SCR is uncalled for. AV-TANK BALANCE = https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1612446#post1612446
Cyrius Li-Moody The New Age Outlaws WINMATAR. 2358	Posted - 2013.12.20 03:43:00 - [57] - Quote 1st Lieutenant Tiberius wrote: Oh I see, well yes a skilled player will of course dominate every 1v1 situation. BUT I believe that the ScR (as in the weapon itself) is the ultimate 1v1 weapon unlike the other rifles where the only limiting factor to engaging multiple targets is its clip size. Im speaking simply regarding weapon mechanics and characteristics I agree with this. Scrambler Pistols come at a close second if it was a fight within 20m. Youtuber. Your friendly neighborhood whiskey-fueled merc.
KING CHECKMATE Scions of Athra 3386	Posted - 2013.12.20 03:45:00 - [58] - Quote Cyrius Li-Moody wrote: The full auto CR is definitely a FAMAS in nature. Can i haz extended clip? :D NO. THE ACR is a little like the SCR but for CQ. Its a beast 1 on 1 weapon. If you extend their clip,you take away their ONLY disadvantage. Ok, you can have an extended clip if i can remove the SCR overheat mechanic XD See? We both LOLed there.... AV-TANK BALANCE = https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1612446#post1612446
Cyrius Li-Moody The New Age Outlaws WINMATAR. 2358	Posted - 2013.12.20 03:46:00 - [59] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: Cyrius Li-Moody wrote: The full auto CR is definitely a FAMAS in nature. Can i haz extended clip? :D NO. dakka dakka dakka dakka Youtuber. Your friendly neighborhood whiskey-fueled merc.
1st Lieutenant Tiberius 0uter.Heaven 680	Posted - 2013.12.20 03:49:00 - [60] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: Cyrius Li-Moody wrote: The full auto CR is definitely a FAMAS in nature. Can i haz extended clip? :D NO. THE ACR is a little like the CR but for CQ. Its a beast 1 on 1 weapon. If you extend their clip,you take away their ONLY disadvantage. In regards to your reply of my previous quote; Yes I understand, I am a dedicated ScR user as well and I know what you mean, but be wary of how you present your opinions about the weapon because people will be more inclined to think that you are defending the weapon instead of providing facts that could be used to further the argument and discussion; which you are. Now regarding the post I quoted, I think they should get an extended clip by way of Minmatar Assault Suit bonus; refer to one of my previous posts above ^ regarding this issue :) The Sinwarden

TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR F.T.U. IMMORTAL REGIME 1054	Posted - 2013.12.20 03:49:00 - [61] - Quote Cyrius Li-Moody wrote: At what range are you supposed to actually fight against these things? They're good out to 100m. They fire as fast as you can pull the trigger. CQC is just as if not even more dangerous due to the high ROF, high alpha, and super tight hipfire spread. You never have to reload them. They practically never overheat. Where are these things supposed to be bad again? Here I am supposed to be the mid to short range champ in my minmatar assault, combat rifle, and smg and I can't out range them. I can't fight them in CQC. I can't out run them. I can't out flank them. I pretty much have to rely on them being slow or not good players. my Ishukone Assault Rail Rifle would say otherwise... but in all seriousness, i don't have too many problems with scrambler rifles. i've found that if you get the drop on them, then they will fall fairly easily.even logistics gk.0s aren't TOO much of a problem anymore. and to be honest, i kind of like that. FoTM is not as effective because if i get the drop on him, he'll still go down pretty easily. Tell me, how exactly DOES a biscuit gain Valor?
KING CHECKMATE Scions of Athra 3387	Posted - 2013.12.20 03:54:00 - [62] - Quote 1st Lieutenant Tiberius wrote: KING CHECKMATE wrote: Cyrius Li-Moody wrote: The full auto CR is definitely a FAMAS in nature. Can i haz extended clip? :D NO. THE ACR is a little like the CR but for CQ. Its a beast 1 on 1 weapon. If you extend their clip,you take away their ONLY disadvantage. In regards to your reply of my previous quote; Yes I understand, I am a dedicated ScR user as well and I know what you mean, but be wary of how you present your opinions about the weapon because people will be more inclined to think that you are defending the weapon instead of providing facts that could be used to further the argument and discussion; which you are. Now to the post you quoted, I think they should get an extended clip by way of Minmatar Assault Suit bonus; refer to one of my previous posts above ^ regarding this issue :) Im done proving facts.the QQ never ends,and will never end... Im defending the weapon. Im not ashamed of saying it. In fact, im defending EVERY rifle.,not only the SCR. You see , thats the thing? I dont fwant further arguments and discussions. ''New , to the post i quoted, well i think amarr Assaults need a 10% Heat buildup reduction per level instead of 5%'' see? thats how it sounds a clip increase advantage to MINS on the ACR. I mean PLEASE the A.CR is already as powerful as it gets? If you cant get 2 kills with one clip EASILY you are doing it wrong. AV-TANK BALANCE = https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1612446#post1612446
1st Lieutenant Tiberius 0uter.Heaven 681	Posted - 2013.12.20 04:04:00 - [63] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: 1st Lieutenant Tiberius wrote: KING CHECKMATE wrote: Cyrius Li-Moody wrote: The full auto CR is definitely a FAMAS in nature. Can i haz extended clip? :D NO. THE ACR is a little like the CR but for CQ. Its a beast 1 on 1 weapon. If you extend their clip,you take away their ONLY disadvantage. In regards to your reply of my previous quote; Yes I understand, I am a dedicated ScR user as well and I know what you mean, but be wary of how you present your opinions about the weapon because people will be more inclined to think that you are defending the weapon instead of providing facts that could be used to further the argument and discussion; which you are. Now to the post you quoted, I think they should get an extended clip by way of Minmatar Assault Suit bonus; refer to one of my previous posts above ^ regarding this issue :) Im done proving facts.the QQ never ends,and will never end... Im defending the weapon. Im not ashamed of saying it. In fact, im defending EVERY rifle.,not only the SCR. You see , thats the thing? I dont fwant further arguments and discussions. ''New , to the post i quoted, well i think amarr Assaults need a 10% Heat buildup reduction per level instead of 5%'' see? thats how it sounds a clip increase advantage to MINS on the ACR. I mean PLEASE the A.CR is already as powerful as it gets? If you cant get 2 kills with one clip EASILY you are doing it wrong. There is QQ about everything though my friend, and you and I both know that the ScR is and has been perfect ever since its inclusion to the game. All I'm saying is if you present your arguments unbiasedly and inoffensively you have a better chance of having your reader actually understand what you are saying, thats all. On that note (Warning: Argument incoming :D) I disagree, the ScR is already an amazing weapon (albeit punishes trigger spammers) even without the Assault ak.0 and so is the CR but I want all the assault suits to have a similar bonus that makes their respective faction's weapons that much more effective, like the Assault ak.0 does. Everyone knows to fear a good Assault ak.0 brandishing a ScR. I want people to fear an Assault mk.0 Brandishing a CR and an Assault ck.0 brandishing a RR And for completeness sake, everyone fears the Duvolle; especially a Assault gk.0 since their bonus allows them to fit better modules while brandishing an already beastly weapon The Sinwarden
Son-Of A-Gun 3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance 675	Posted - 2013.12.20 04:15:00 - [64] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: 1st Lieutenant Tiberius wrote: KING CHECKMATE wrote: Cyrius Li-Moody wrote: The full auto CR is definitely a FAMAS in nature. Can i haz extended clip? :D NO. THE ACR is a little like the CR but for CQ. Its a beast 1 on 1 weapon. If you extend their clip,you take away their ONLY disadvantage. In regards to your reply of my previous quote; Yes I understand, I am a dedicated ScR user as well and I know what you mean, but be wary of how you present your opinions about the weapon because people will be more inclined to think that you are defending the weapon instead of providing facts that could be used to further the argument and discussion; which you are. Now to the post you quoted, I think they should get an extended clip by way of Minmatar Assault Suit bonus; refer to one of my previous posts above ^ regarding this issue :) see? thats how it sounds a clip increase advantage to MINS on the ACR. I mean PLEASE the A.CR is already as powerful as it gets? If you cant get 2 kills with one clip EASILY you are doing it wrong. No doubt. I've really been enjoying the hell out of the ACR. I run the adv version on my gk.0 scout with a proto ASP. People never see this coming. I can put down at least two people with the ACR and if I run out I just swap to the SP which can easily take out another two. The best fun with this is when you get in to a CQB with some one who is really good, and strafes you out of your clip, and just when they think they got you, that's when you swap over to that pro ASP and sing'em a lullaby. I'd give anything just to be able to see the look on the faces of the people I've done this to so far. {:)}{3GÇó>
Lea Silencio 0uter.Heaven 958	Posted - 2013.12.20 04:22:00 - [65] - Quote 1st Lieutenant Tiberius wrote: The ScR is the best 1v1 weapon, if you take on any ScR user worth their salt solo you'll go down. Bring friends and rush em, I guarantee you will overwhelm them. Truth. Multiple flank and surround SCR users. They may kill one red but add 2-3 more and coming towards them and it is over. They need a 6 second cool down+ a reload in order to take the other 2 down and if you are quick, they won't have that chance. It will be over faster if they don't have cover. If they DO AND they have enough distance, they will pop out with a charge shot and end you. It's all about awareness tbh. PurificationGäó It's what I do. Amarr Victor
KING CHECKMATE Scions of Athra 3389	Posted - 2013.12.20 04:36:00 - [66] - Quote 1st Lieutenant Tiberius wrote: KING CHECKMATE wrote: 1st Lieutenant Tiberius wrote: KING CHECKMATE wrote: Cyrius Li-Moody wrote: The full auto CR is definitely a FAMAS in nature. Can i haz extended clip? :D NO. THE ACR is a little like the CR but for CQ. Its a beast 1 on 1 weapon. If you extend their clip,you take away their ONLY disadvantage. In regards to your reply of my previous quote; Yes I understand, I am a dedicated ScR user as well and I know what you mean, but be wary of how you present your opinions about the weapon because people will be more inclined to think that you are defending the weapon instead of providing facts that could be used to further the argument and discussion; which you are. Now to the post you quoted, I think they should get an extended clip by way of Minmatar Assault Suit bonus; refer to one of my previous posts above ^ regarding this issue :) Im done proving facts.the QQ never ends,and will never end... Im defending the weapon. Im not ashamed of saying it. In fact, im defending EVERY rifle.,not only the SCR. You see , thats the thing? I dont fwant further arguments and discussions. ''New , to the post i quoted, well i think amarr Assaults need a 10% Heat buildup reduction per level instead of 5%'' see? thats how it sounds a clip increase advantage to MINS on the ACR. I mean PLEASE the A.CR is already as powerful as it gets? If you cant get 2 kills with one clip EASILY you are doing it wrong. There is QQ about everything though my friend, and you and I both know that the ScR is and has been perfect ever since its inclusion to the game. All I'm saying is if you present your arguments unbiasedly and inoffensively you have a better chance of having your reader actually understand what you are saying, thats all. On that note (Warning: Argument incoming :D) I disagree, the ScR is already an amazing weapon (albeit punishes trigger spammers) even without the Assault ak.0 and so is the CR but I want all the assault suits to have a similar bonus that makes their respective faction's weapons that much more effective, like the Assault ak.0 does. Everyone knows to fear a good Assault ak.0 brandishing a ScR. I want people to fear an Assault mk.0 Brandishing a CR and an Assault ck.0 brandishing a RR And for completeness sake, everyone fears the Duvolle; especially a Assault gk.0 since their bonus allows them to fit better modules while brandishing an already beastly weapon Since i will keep my bad attitude for now, i'll stop posting then. With you and lea is enough to bring some light to the thread.... AV-TANK BALANCE = https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1612446#post1612446
1st Lieutenant Tiberius 0uter.Heaven 682	Posted - 2013.12.20 04:44:00 - [67] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: Since i will keep my bad attitude for now, i'll stop posting then. With you and lea is enough to bring some light to the thread.... We can start another thread if you wish and discuss for discussions sake? But we've gone on tangent enough, Cyrius to refer back to the OP, what are your thoughts after listening to some of the dedicated Scrambler Rifle users' opinions? The Sinwarden
KING CHECKMATE Scions of Athra 3393	Posted - 2013.12.20 04:46:00 - [68] - Quote 1st Lieutenant Tiberius wrote: KING CHECKMATE wrote: Since i will keep my bad attitude for now, i'll stop posting then. With you and lea is enough to bring some light to the thread.... We can start another thread if you wish and discuss for discussions sake? But we've gone on tangent enough, Cyrius to refer back to the OP, what are your thoughts after listening to some of the dedicated Scrambler Rifle users' opinions? I dont know. My opinion is pretty much all in here already: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=130608&find=unread Give it a quick read, its real short. AV-TANK BALANCE = https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1612446#post1612446


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