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1st Lieutenant Tiberius
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Posted - 2013.12.19 23:48:00 -
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The ScR is the best 1v1 weapon, if you take on any ScR user worth their salt solo you'll go down.
Bring friends and rush em, I guarantee you will overwhelm them.
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1st Lieutenant Tiberius
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Posted - 2013.12.19 23:53:00 -
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Cyrius Li-Moody wrote:1st Lieutenant Tiberius wrote:The ScR is the best 1v1 weapon, if you take on any ScR user worth their salt solo you'll go down.
Bring friends and rush em, I guarantee you will overwhelm them. Yeah which is kind of my point. You can't take them 1v1 at any range with confidence that isn't beyond their optimal if that player isn't half brain dead. I am a good player and scrambler are the most infuriating things to fight when someone knows you're there because they can pop you so damn quick.
Exactly, which is why its the ultimate 1v1 weapon; its weakness comes in prolonged engagements and multiple opponents
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1st Lieutenant Tiberius
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Posted - 2013.12.20 02:30:00 -
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Lynn Beck wrote:I still find it a problem that there isn't a single weapon 'bar shotgun/novas' that can 1v1 a SINGLE player using scramblers.
Again, that is the point of the Scrambler Rifle, you have the ability to dominate a single opponent with immense amounts of alpha damage potential but its overheat mechanic limits its target effectiveness to one opponent at a time, because if not, you seize up and are unable to sprint or change weapons.
Unlike the Duvolle AR, Kaalakiota RR and the Boundless Combat RIfle which has the potential damage output and clip size to take out more than one opponent before having to reload
But there are other factors which skilled ScR players use like heat management, delayed trigger firing or clever use of cover and as other people have mentioned shield tankers are the Amarr ScR Assault's natural prey.
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1st Lieutenant Tiberius
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Posted - 2013.12.20 02:36:00 -
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KING CHECKMATE wrote:Cyrius Li-Moody wrote:At what range are you supposed to actually fight against these things? They're good out to 100m. They fire as fast as you can pull the trigger. CQC is just as if not even more dangerous due to the high ROF, high alpha, and super tight hipfire spread. You never have to reload them. They practically never overheat.
Where are these things supposed to be bad again?
Here I am supposed to be the mid to short range champ in my minmatar assault, combat rifle, and smg and I can't out range them. I can't fight them in CQC. I can't out run them. I can't out flank them. I pretty much have to rely on them being slow or not good players. QQ MOAR.Read the first 6-7 posts and learn something. LEt me tell you, if the SCR is so op how come is the LEAST used Rifle now?... Yeah, didnt think so.The mere fact it has a horrible OVERHEAT mechanic and 80% to armor (every other rifle has at MOST a 10% penalty on shield/armor) Makes them on par,if not UNDERPOWERED with the other rifles. Just ....shush...
Hey come on now, lets have a civil discussion about this. I'm really liking the way the Rifle balance is in 1.7 I'm glad all the racial rifles are out now.
I've died by a GEK, SB-39 AND RS-10 all in the same game. Its pretty cool.
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1st Lieutenant Tiberius
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Posted - 2013.12.20 02:38:00 -
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Also, I really really enjoy your vids Cyrius.
I'd say your channel is my favorite Dust youtube channel +1
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1st Lieutenant Tiberius
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Posted - 2013.12.20 02:59:00 -
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Cyrius Li-Moody wrote:People get really defensive of this thing. I just think it's way too good from the hip in CQC. Sorry folks that's my stance.
I'm in no way being defensive of the weapon. In fact I believe all weapons are good from the hip in CQC... Combat Rifles are AMAZING in Hip Fire CQC, Rail Rifle's are equally as amazing in the right hands, and I dont even have to say anything about the AR
I would know since I have all 4 rifles with at least prof 2
It is an Amarr made Assault RIfle, it isn't a Niche Weapon, its the standard issue rifle of the Amarr Faction and I believe that all the weapons now are equally as devastating when used correctly.
For me the ScR is like a mid range sniper rifle; when used by Caldari, Minmatar or Gallente suits you have powerful Charge shots that could critically wound an opponent but is limited by its extreme heat build up thus working like a low ROF Sniper RIfle; focusing on making every charge shot count with a generous delay between charge shots for cooldown to take place
But
With the ak.0 and its heat sink, it turns into the Dust equivalent to a modern Designated Marksman Rifle, able to fire highly accurate, damaging rounds down a very generous range, but still able to be used as a breaching tool in mid and close ranged combat.
Just like the CR is the equivalent to the modern Famas
the AR to a M4A1
and the RR to an LMG like the SAW
I'd say the ScR is most like a Mk 14 EBR :D
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1st Lieutenant Tiberius
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Posted - 2013.12.20 03:04:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:1st Lieutenant Tiberius wrote:Cyrius Li-Moody wrote:People get really defensive of this thing. I just think it's way too good from the hip in CQC. Sorry folks that's my stance. Just like the CR is the equivalent to the modern Famas the AR to a M4A1 and the RR to an LMG like the SAW I'd say the ScR is a cross between a DMR and an M1 Garand :D I would have considered the Rail Rifles as the equivalent of the SCAR-H rifle.
Oh good point, I definitely agree.
I also edited the post to say the ScR was like an Mk 14 EBR instead lol
But I digress.
I say the RR is like a SAW because it just feels like such a powerful LMG when I'm firing at full auto into reds in open ground, watching their bodies go limp and fly off with every powerful round the Kaalakiota RR spits out
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1st Lieutenant Tiberius
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Posted - 2013.12.20 03:12:00 -
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Cyrius Li-Moody wrote:The full auto CR is definitely a FAMAS in nature.
I honestly don't see the point of using the Full auto CR
From my experience and those of others I learned that If you get the "Tap" down with the boundless I guarantee people will be convinced that you're using a full auto weapon and not a burst fire, the 1200 RPM really rewards players with fast trigger fingers; the weapon has about 35 Damage per round which means at a 3 round burst it deals approximately 100 damage with a 120% effectiveness to armor, that is directly equivalent to the amount of damage available to ScR users bar the Charge shot.
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1st Lieutenant Tiberius
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Posted - 2013.12.20 03:17:00 -
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Cyrius Li-Moody wrote:The full auto CR is definitely a FAMAS in nature.
Can i haz extended clip? :D
I think the Minmatar Assault bonus needs to apply to the Combat Rifle.
The Amarr Assault is currently, IMO, the best assault suit in the game because it gives a direct bonus to the faction's weapons efficiency and effectiveness.
An Increased Clip size to the Combat Rifle will make Minmatar Assault suits the best choice to use the CR with which would also increase its effectiveness
If they brought back the Reload Speed bonus to Caldari Suits I think it would increase the effectiveness of Rail Rifles as well, able to spit out its ammo reserve of high damage rounds faster and with less delay (although the rifle suffers from low ammo count, more so than the Combat Rifle)
I think the Gallente Assault bonus is spot on as well though
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1st Lieutenant Tiberius
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Posted - 2013.12.20 03:29:00 -
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Roy Ventus wrote:1st Lieutenant Tiberius wrote:The ScR is the best 1v1 weapon, if you take on any ScR user worth their salt solo you'll go down.
Bring friends and rush em, I guarantee you will overwhelm them. Nah. If the gun is balanced it has a counter. And that counter would be a proper ACR/SMG+Strafe combo. They both have high rate of fire but ultimately the spray factor of the ACR/SMG is MUCH more effective.
I'm not sure I completely understand what you're trying to say.
The best counter to the ScR is an Assault Combat Rifle + SMG combo on a fast strafing suit? I definitely agree. Why'd you quote my post and say Nah tho?
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1st Lieutenant Tiberius
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Posted - 2013.12.20 03:39:00 -
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Roy Ventus wrote:1st Lieutenant Tiberius wrote:Roy Ventus wrote:1st Lieutenant Tiberius wrote:The ScR is the best 1v1 weapon, if you take on any ScR user worth their salt solo you'll go down.
Bring friends and rush em, I guarantee you will overwhelm them. Nah. If the gun is balanced it has a counter. And that counter would be a proper ACR/SMG+Strafe combo. They both have high rate of fire but ultimately the spray factor of the ACR/SMG is MUCH more effective. I'm not sure I completely understand what you're trying to say. The best counter to the ScR is an Assault Combat Rifle + SMG combo on a fast strafing suit? I definitely agree. Why'd you quote my post and say Nah tho? o-o I thought someone would get confused. I meant that either weapon would be useful in that situation. I quoted you because you said 1v1 and I disagreed lol. Were you only speaking about 1v1 with other Rifles? If so, can't disagree there.
Oh I see, well yes a skilled player will of course dominate every 1v1 situation. BUT I believe that the ScR (as in the weapon itself) is the ultimate 1v1 weapon unlike the other rifles where the only limiting factor to engaging multiple targets is its clip size. Im speaking simply regarding weapon mechanics and characteristics
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1st Lieutenant Tiberius
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Posted - 2013.12.20 03:49:00 -
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KING CHECKMATE wrote:Cyrius Li-Moody wrote:The full auto CR is definitely a FAMAS in nature.
Can i haz extended clip? :D NO.THE ACR is a little like the CR but for CQ. Its a beast 1 on 1 weapon.If you extend their clip,you take away their ONLY disadvantage.
In regards to your reply of my previous quote; Yes I understand, I am a dedicated ScR user as well and I know what you mean, but be wary of how you present your opinions about the weapon because people will be more inclined to think that you are defending the weapon instead of providing facts that could be used to further the argument and discussion; which you are.
Now regarding the post I quoted, I think they should get an extended clip by way of Minmatar Assault Suit bonus; refer to one of my previous posts above ^ regarding this issue :)
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1st Lieutenant Tiberius
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Posted - 2013.12.20 04:04:00 -
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KING CHECKMATE wrote:1st Lieutenant Tiberius wrote:KING CHECKMATE wrote:Cyrius Li-Moody wrote:The full auto CR is definitely a FAMAS in nature.
Can i haz extended clip? :D NO.THE ACR is a little like the CR but for CQ. Its a beast 1 on 1 weapon.If you extend their clip,you take away their ONLY disadvantage. In regards to your reply of my previous quote; Yes I understand, I am a dedicated ScR user as well and I know what you mean, but be wary of how you present your opinions about the weapon because people will be more inclined to think that you are defending the weapon instead of providing facts that could be used to further the argument and discussion; which you are. Now to the post you quoted, I think they should get an extended clip by way of Minmatar Assault Suit bonus; refer to one of my previous posts above ^ regarding this issue :) Im done proving facts.the QQ never ends,and will never end... Im defending the weapon. Im not ashamed of saying it.In fact, im defending EVERY rifle.,not only the SCR. You see , thats the thing? I dont fwant further arguments and discussions. ''New , to the post i quoted, well i think amarr Assaults need a 10% Heat buildup reduction per level instead of 5%'' see? thats how it sounds a clip increase advantage to MINS on the ACR. I mean PLEASE the A.CR is already as powerful as it gets? If you cant get 2 kills with one clip EASILY you are doing it wrong.
There is QQ about everything though my friend, and you and I both know that the ScR is and has been perfect ever since its inclusion to the game.
All I'm saying is if you present your arguments unbiasedly and inoffensively you have a better chance of having your reader actually understand what you are saying, thats all.
On that note (Warning: Argument incoming :D) I disagree, the ScR is already an amazing weapon (albeit punishes trigger spammers) even without the Assault ak.0 and so is the CR but I want all the assault suits to have a similar bonus that makes their respective faction's weapons that much more effective, like the Assault ak.0 does.
Everyone knows to fear a good Assault ak.0 brandishing a ScR.
I want people to fear an Assault mk.0 Brandishing a CR and an Assault ck.0 brandishing a RR
And for completeness sake, everyone fears the Duvolle; especially a Assault gk.0 since their bonus allows them to fit better modules while brandishing an already beastly weapon
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1st Lieutenant Tiberius
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Posted - 2013.12.20 04:44:00 -
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KING CHECKMATE wrote:Since i will keep my bad attitude for now, i'll stop posting then. With you and lea is enough to bring some light to the thread....
We can start another thread if you wish and discuss for discussions sake? But we've gone on tangent enough, Cyrius to refer back to the OP, what are your thoughts after listening to some of the dedicated Scrambler Rifle users' opinions?
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