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True Adamance
Scions of Athra
5024
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Posted - 2013.12.18 22:58:00 -
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Dubber Rucky wrote:All tankers want is a challenge, why make it easy on them. I try and drive bomb with remote explosive loaded dropships. Not very cost effective but worth it somehow......
Tankers want to have fun, they want to be viable on the battlefield, they finally are now, ridiculous aspects of the game have been addressed like 400m swarm lock range, invisible avers at 50m, and OP roof top forge gunners denying any vehicle a meaningful role on the map.
To a Texan like you, a hero is some type of weird sandwich, not some nut who takes on three Gunlogi.
Reference = ISK
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Reign Omega
BurgezzE.T.F Public Disorder.
74
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Posted - 2013.12.18 23:04:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:Dubber Rucky wrote:All tankers want is a challenge, why make it easy on them. I try and drive bomb with remote explosive loaded dropships. Not very cost effective but worth it somehow......
Tankers want to have fun, they want to be viable on the battlefield, they finally are now, ridiculous aspects of the game have been addressed like 400m swarm lock range, invisible avers at 50m, and OP roof top forge gunners denying any vehicle a meaningful role on the map.
Try not to pretend that a Buff in Tanking isn't also responsible, I know because I do both. 10 mil tanker and 14 mil infantry spec AVer. The range + DMG drop for swarms, plus a reduction in clip size at Proto, + a damage reduction to AV grenades, combined with the Buff to Tank EHP and number of tanks results in an imbalance. I'm not crying about it personally because I blow tanks up just the same...just takes a bit of prior planning on my part, but let's not attribute it solely to one side or the other. |
True Adamance
Scions of Athra
5025
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Posted - 2013.12.18 23:11:00 -
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Reign Omega wrote:True Adamance wrote:Dubber Rucky wrote:All tankers want is a challenge, why make it easy on them. I try and drive bomb with remote explosive loaded dropships. Not very cost effective but worth it somehow......
Tankers want to have fun, they want to be viable on the battlefield, they finally are now, ridiculous aspects of the game have been addressed like 400m swarm lock range, invisible avers at 50m, and OP roof top forge gunners denying any vehicle a meaningful role on the map. Try not to pretend that a Buff in Tanking isn't also responsible, I know because I do both. 10 mil tanker and 14 mil infantry spec AVer. The range + DMG drop for swarms, plus a reduction in clip size at Proto, + a damage reduction to AV grenades, combined with the Buff to Tank EHP and number of tanks results in an imbalance. I'm not crying about it personally because I blow tanks up just the same...just takes a bit of prior planning on my part, but let's not attribute it solely to one side or the other.
I do both as well.
Tank speed certainly needs addressing properly, possible AV buffs buf must not exceed pre 1.7 damage, the swarm lock nerf stays in place, and I see all being right with the world.
To a Texan like you, a hero is some type of weird sandwich, not some nut who takes on three Gunlogi.
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Justin Tymes
Dem Durrty Boyz Renegade Alliance
563
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Posted - 2013.12.18 23:15:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:Reign Omega wrote:True Adamance wrote:Dubber Rucky wrote:All tankers want is a challenge, why make it easy on them. I try and drive bomb with remote explosive loaded dropships. Not very cost effective but worth it somehow......
Tankers want to have fun, they want to be viable on the battlefield, they finally are now, ridiculous aspects of the game have been addressed like 400m swarm lock range, invisible avers at 50m, and OP roof top forge gunners denying any vehicle a meaningful role on the map. Try not to pretend that a Buff in Tanking isn't also responsible, I know because I do both. 10 mil tanker and 14 mil infantry spec AVer. The range + DMG drop for swarms, plus a reduction in clip size at Proto, + a damage reduction to AV grenades, combined with the Buff to Tank EHP and number of tanks results in an imbalance. I'm not crying about it personally because I blow tanks up just the same...just takes a bit of prior planning on my part, but let's not attribute it solely to one side or the other. I do both as well. Tank speed certainly needs addressing properly, possible AV buffs buf must not exceed pre 1.7 damage, the swarm lock nerf stays in place, and I see all being right with the world.
175 range is simply not viable. Dopships laugh at you, tankers laugh at you, LAV users laugh at you. No one competitively is going to sacrifice their main weapon slot for swarms. |
Himiko Kuronaga
Fatal Absolution
2530
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Posted - 2013.12.18 23:18:00 -
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skippy678 wrote:Come on CCP, Do something...say something...let us know that your on this.
Standing back and not saying anything about if this is working as intended? Get involved man because this tank spam is ruining the game.
Horrible I cant even play for 3 matches before i just Cant anymore.
If you're going to be outdoors, your team needs tanks.
What, do you think you're exempt from that responsibility or something?
They made militia tanks cheap for a reason.
Working as intended. If you refuse to use tanks, you deserve to die. |
Green Living
Scions of Athra
1088
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Posted - 2013.12.18 23:19:00 -
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I will be giving free laser light shows with my worthless Laser Rifle in the MCC if anyone wants to join me. |
DJINN Nukem
Black Phoenix Mercenaries
66
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Posted - 2013.12.18 23:21:00 -
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Panoscape wrote:Here, have some CHEESE for your wine.
HTFU and grow a spine. Get a crew of forge gunners or RE guys and go tank hunting.
Make tankers fear calling in a tank when you're facing them.
If you don't have the SP in the right places, save up and put it there.
dude I love it. +1
the only way to stop tanks is to destroy them, I dedicate most games to stop all tankers,
I hope they will fear my name someday
Trample The Weak Hurdle the Dead
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True Adamance
Scions of Athra
5028
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Posted - 2013.12.18 23:24:00 -
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Justin Tymes wrote:True Adamance wrote:Reign Omega wrote:True Adamance wrote:Dubber Rucky wrote:All tankers want is a challenge, why make it easy on them. I try and drive bomb with remote explosive loaded dropships. Not very cost effective but worth it somehow......
Tankers want to have fun, they want to be viable on the battlefield, they finally are now, ridiculous aspects of the game have been addressed like 400m swarm lock range, invisible avers at 50m, and OP roof top forge gunners denying any vehicle a meaningful role on the map. Try not to pretend that a Buff in Tanking isn't also responsible, I know because I do both. 10 mil tanker and 14 mil infantry spec AVer. The range + DMG drop for swarms, plus a reduction in clip size at Proto, + a damage reduction to AV grenades, combined with the Buff to Tank EHP and number of tanks results in an imbalance. I'm not crying about it personally because I blow tanks up just the same...just takes a bit of prior planning on my part, but let's not attribute it solely to one side or the other. I do both as well. Tank speed certainly needs addressing properly, possible AV buffs buf must not exceed pre 1.7 damage, the swarm lock nerf stays in place, and I see all being right with the world. 175 range is simply not viable. Dopships laugh at you, tankers laugh at you, LAV users laugh at you. No one competitively is going to sacrifice their main weapon slot for swarms.
400m range encourages spam from impossible to hit locations. If you want to fire at us, we should be able to fire back at you.
To a Texan like you, a hero is some type of weird sandwich, not some nut who takes on three Gunlogi.
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Monkey MAC
Lost Millennium
1257
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Posted - 2013.12.18 23:27:00 -
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TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR wrote:don't tell me you're leaving skippy? the main problem with tanks is the quantity you can bring in. if they lower that, then the tank problem should be fixed. just stick it out a little longer. i'm sure they'll fix it.
That's one of the problems, but also the hardest to solve fairly! Sure you could limit people to 2 tanks a team, but who gets first pick?
How will you limit Tank Stomping Superiority?
Tanks 514
I told you, I bloody well told you.
Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior of the Trees Lvl.1
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TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR
F.T.U. IMMORTAL REGIME
970
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Posted - 2013.12.18 23:32:00 -
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KING CHECKMATE wrote:skippy678 wrote:Come on CCP, Do something...say something...let us know that your on this.
Standing back and not saying anything about if this is working as intended? Get involved man because this tank spam is ruining the game.
Horrible I cant even play for 3 matches before i just Cant anymore. Buy MLT Sica Put dual shield hardeners on it Rail Snipe. i play with skippy almost everyday, and he has no problem taking out tanks.
the problem is that he, or alot of people for that matter, doesn't play this game to tank hunt.
i know i didn't skill into all these weapons just to have to tank hunt all day.
Tell me, how exactly DOES a biscuit gain Valor?
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Crimson Cerberes
Hammer Of Light Covenant of the Phoenix Alliance
137
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Posted - 2013.12.18 23:35:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:
400m range encourages spam from impossible to hit locations. If you want to fire at us, we should be able to fire back at you.
That is horrible logic coming from a tanker. An infantryman can't fire back at you. |
Broonfondle Majikthies
Bannana Boat Corp Relentless Heroes Alliance
615
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Posted - 2013.12.18 23:38:00 -
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odd OP Why not just blow them up? Hell today I killed a driver, 'decorated' his tank and then sat back to watch the fireworks when he got back
"...where Bylothgar the Ill-postured was made King of the People With No Name But Decent Footwear"
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Imp Smash
Black Phoenix Mercenaries
199
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Posted - 2013.12.18 23:42:00 -
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Reign Omega wrote:True Adamance wrote:Dubber Rucky wrote:All tankers want is a challenge, why make it easy on them. I try and drive bomb with remote explosive loaded dropships. Not very cost effective but worth it somehow......
Tankers want to have fun, they want to be viable on the battlefield, they finally are now, ridiculous aspects of the game have been addressed like 400m swarm lock range, invisible avers at 50m, and OP roof top forge gunners denying any vehicle a meaningful role on the map. Try not to pretend that a Buff in Tanking isn't also responsible, I know because I do both. 10 mil tanker and 14 mil infantry spec AVer. The range + DMG drop for swarms, plus a reduction in clip size at Proto, + a damage reduction to AV grenades, combined with the Buff to Tank EHP and number of tanks results in an imbalance. I'm not crying about it personally because I blow tanks up just the same...just takes a bit of prior planning on my part, but let's not attribute it solely to one side or the other.
So this. So so this.
Before you could pop an adv tank with 3 adv av grenades. That was stupid. Now you can't even pop a militia tank. That's - meh not too terrible. But then high end tanks take a lot more work. A LOT.
Heck drop ships too. Drop ships sucked for sooooo long and needed love. Now it's very hard to kill one. I'm not saying one person with some av grenades should be able to solo a vehicle. Far from it - I'm glad that tanks and drops are beefy.
I just think when they **** up they can get out and away a bit too fast. Nothing like sitting and taking a forge+swarms+av grenades - getting a few kills and being able to somehow escape all that concentrated av fire from multiple sources. |
skippy678
the.R3D.kings IMMORTAL REGIME
414
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Posted - 2013.12.19 00:38:00 -
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i just wanna have fun playing the game.
so after how many hours of jihad LAVs....... RE's..... swarms..... militia tanks...hiding in the corner..am I ok to do something else in the game?
However I must say I have had several AV debates in these forums and alot of them very intelligent. And i want to throw this out there, I respect your play and image herein the forums(true adamance) but some of the statements you made in this thread left me wondering.
"revenge is sweet" "we have been dealing with this for.."
honestly the comments like that , make me wonder if you actually want whats best for the game, or just best for you.
The bigger beta players/tankers like you ....were already stomping before 1.7! we didnt need this militia spam **** for you to have fun. I loved having a great AV fight with a strong tanker...but then again i would rather fight 1 good tanker than 9 crap ones like i do now.
If you really care about the game man, you will join the communitty of player that will own whats going on right now and help fix it instead of pretending everythings hunky dory...while we loose possible player base over the holiday season because newbs couldnt last against mercs in new eden imagine what a newb feels walking into a squad of 6 tanks...they leave man.
just an opinion.
there is an imbalance right now big time.
CCP....did my old lady call you and set this up? cuz I feel like she made this happen some how?lol
U.play.good?
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Jillian Chastot
Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising
5
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Posted - 2013.12.19 00:39:00 -
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Green Living wrote:Everyone head to the MCC for protection! You can still get your SP and let the tanks play with each other.
God this pisses me off to no end. |
Our Deepest Regret
L.O.T.I.S. Public Disorder.
411
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Posted - 2013.12.19 00:40:00 -
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HA HA HA HA HA HA!
You thought you had it rough with TANKS?! Fool. Fool. FOOOOOOOOL!!!
It's the dawn of the heavy. HMG's are going to carve a crimson canal from your neck to your rectum. You're going BEG to get tank spammed compared to the horrors to come, because heavies can climb stairs.
You're ****-ed! |
skippy678
the.R3D.kings IMMORTAL REGIME
414
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Posted - 2013.12.19 00:47:00 -
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Our Deepest Regret wrote:HA HA HA HA HA HA!
You thought you had it rough with TANKS?! Fool. Fool. FOOOOOOOOL!!!
It's the dawn of the heavy. HMG's are going to carve a crimson canal from your neck to your rectum. You're going BEG to get tank spammed compared to the horrors to come, because heavies can climb stairs.
You're ****-ed!
I have never walked through a door and run into 4 heavies...but i have walked into 4 tanks.
U.play.good?
F.T.U. Recruiting Thread
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CommanderBolt
ACME SPECIAL FORCES
432
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Posted - 2013.12.19 01:01:00 -
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Anmol Singh wrote:You mad bruh?
I saw you with that missile tank, hummpfff my triple rep cannot compete with the volley your missiles do. I need to adapt, but I was enjoying murdering the little dust bunnies running about on foot .......
(Not this character but you 1 volleyd a few of my alts tanks) |
CommanderBolt
ACME SPECIAL FORCES
432
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Posted - 2013.12.19 01:05:00 -
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skippy678 wrote:i just wanna have fun playing the game.
so after how many hours of jihad LAVs....... RE's..... swarms..... militia tanks...hiding in the corner..am I ok to do something else in the game?
However I must say I have had several AV debates in these forums and alot of them very intelligent. And i want to throw this out there, I respect your play and image herein the forums(true adamance) but some of the statements you made in this thread left me wondering.
"revenge is sweet" "we have been dealing with this for.."
honestly the comments like that , make me wonder if you actually want whats best for the game, or just best for you.
The bigger beta players/tankers like you ....were already stomping before 1.7! we didnt need this militia spam **** for you to have fun. I loved having a great AV fight with a strong tanker...but then again i would rather fight 1 good tanker than 9 crap ones like i do now.
If you really care about the game man, you will join the communitty of player that will own whats going on right now and help fix it instead of pretending everythings hunky dory...while we loose possible player base over the holiday season because newbs couldnt last against mercs in new eden imagine what a newb feels walking into a squad of 6 tanks...they leave man.
just an opinion.
there is an imbalance right now big time.
CCP....did my old lady call you and set this up? cuz I feel like she made this happen some how?lol
Mate - I have tried to get some of my mates to play DUST. A few of them did but the whole game is sqewed AGAINST new players. That isn't going to bring people in.
I know we like it and all that but the whole game design is counter productive to giving new players a good time.
Before it was that "I have to buy all my weapons and I lose it all if I die?" Then , "How am I meant to kill someone with more than triple (Sometimes quadruple) my health" followed by "This is stupid I am not playing this any more"
Yes you can say "Gett good noob," or "Get a squad or corp noob"
But seriously the game design is totally counter productive. That's if you want new players to stick around.
IMHO - New players need to start with more skill points. There should be a video tutorial explaining why certain core skills are very important and they need more isk so they can play around with stuff more. That would be for starters. |
Meknow Intaki
43
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Posted - 2013.12.19 01:06:00 -
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when you can fully fit a basic blaster tank for under 70k why not spam them...
70k is cheaper then a lot of my drop suit fits
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True Adamance
Scions of Athra
5033
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Posted - 2013.12.19 01:11:00 -
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skippy678 wrote:
"revenge is sweet" "we have been dealing with this for.."
honestly the comments like that , make me wonder if you actually want whats best for the game, or just best for you.
Yeah I do, and I was stomping infantry like you before 1.7....
However revenge, justice must be done, Amarr Victor and all that ****.....
Nerfing tanks however is not what is best of this game.
To a Texan like you, a hero is some type of weird sandwich, not some nut who takes on three Gunlogi.
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Yeeuuuppp clone-B
Psygod9 D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
0
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Posted - 2013.12.19 01:19:00 -
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Honestly, CCP sees these threads everyday. They don't even care anymore. Earlier there was 6 enemy tanks. I called my rail gun tank in and killed a few and when I got bored i ran aroun with remote explosives chasing the tanks. I SINGLE HANDEDLY DESTROYEDD ALL THE TANKS. Try going av before bitching on the forums. |
Monkey MAC
Lost Millennium
1262
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Posted - 2013.12.19 01:36:00 -
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Yeeuuuppp clone-B wrote:Honestly, CCP sees these threads everyday. They don't even care anymore. Earlier there was 6 enemy tanks. I called my rail gun tank in and killed a few and when I got bored i ran aroun with remote explosives chasing the tanks. I SINGLE HANDEDLY DESTROYEDD ALL THE TANKS. Try going av before bitching on the forums.
A tank is not AV it is a TANK Remote Explosives are pretty much the only thing that can do enough damage before someone turns on the hardners!
Tanks 514
I told you, I bloody well told you.
Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior of the Trees Lvl.1
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TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR
F.T.U. IMMORTAL REGIME
985
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Posted - 2013.12.19 01:36:00 -
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Yeeuuuppp clone-B wrote:Honestly, CCP sees these threads everyday. They don't even care anymore. Earlier there was 6 enemy tanks. I called my rail gun tank in and killed a few and when I got bored i ran aroun with remote explosives chasing the tanks. I SINGLE HANDEDLY DESTROYEDD ALL THE TANKS. Try going av before bitching on the forums. you're not very bright, are you?
read some of the posts before commenting dumbass. he DOES go AV. ALMOST 24/7 NOW. f*cking r.etarded...
Tell me, how exactly DOES a biscuit gain Valor?
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skippy678
the.R3D.kings IMMORTAL REGIME
437
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Posted - 2013.12.19 01:44:00 -
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TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR wrote:Yeeuuuppp clone-B wrote:Honestly, CCP sees these threads everyday. They don't even care anymore. Earlier there was 6 enemy tanks. I called my rail gun tank in and killed a few and when I got bored i ran aroun with remote explosives chasing the tanks. I SINGLE HANDEDLY DESTROYEDD ALL THE TANKS. Try going av before bitching on the forums. you're not very bright, are you? read some of the posts before commenting dumbass. he DOES go AV. ALMOST 24/7 NOW. f*cking r.etarded...
Thanks Tranq...i started writing a response to the post and then just didn't.
but im glad you did.
U.play.good?
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jerrmy12 kahoalii
The dyst0pian Corporation Zero-Day
153
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Posted - 2013.12.19 01:45:00 -
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skippy678 wrote:Come on CCP, Do something...say something...let us know that your on this.
Standing back and not saying anything about if this is working as intended? Get involved man because this tank spam is ruining the game.
Horrible I cant even play for 3 matches before i just Cant anymore. hmm, i prefer tank spam over proto cubs because i have a chance of winning
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DJINN Marauder
Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance
3423
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Posted - 2013.12.19 01:45:00 -
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I agree. The tank spam is ******* ********.
It's not that I can't blow up tanks. I can (Mlt sica OP)
It's that it's BORING AS **** TRYING TO KILL TANKS ALL ******* GAME EVERYGAME!
It's simply not fun
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skippy678
the.R3D.kings IMMORTAL REGIME
437
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Posted - 2013.12.19 01:47:00 -
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DJINN Marauder wrote:I agree. The tank spam is ******* ********.
It's not that I can't blow up tanks. I can (Mlt sica OP)
It's that it's BORING AS **** TRYING TO KILL TANKS ALL ******* GAME EVERYGAME!
It's simply not fun
EXACTLY!
U.play.good?
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True Adamance
Scions of Athra
5034
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Posted - 2013.12.19 01:48:00 -
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DJINN Marauder wrote:I agree. The tank spam is ******* ********.
It's not that I can't blow up tanks. I can (Mlt sica OP)
It's that it's BORING AS **** TRYING TO KILL TANKS ALL ******* GAME EVERYGAME!
It's simply not fun Don't bother with us, we will kill each other first and foremost....just run and hide if your teams tanks loose.....
To a Texan like you, a hero is some type of weird sandwich, not some nut who takes on three Gunlogi.
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echo47
Minmatar Republic
122
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Posted - 2013.12.19 01:50:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:echo47 wrote:True Adamance wrote:skippy678 wrote:Come on CCP, Do something...say something...let us know that your on this.
Standing back and not saying anything about if this is working as intended? Get involved man because this tank spam is ruining the game.
Horrible I cant even play for 3 matches before i just Cant anymore. Call in your own MLT tank and clear them out? couple that with friendly AV fire? All are useful ideas. Same response from AV when they advised tankers to use support and not run solo. How did that work out for you? We became usable? I don't see how you can compare 1.6 to 1.7 since at 50 m you people were invisible you swarms could lock across half the map, and FG were so devastating one tower forgegunner killed the entire vehicle aspect of this game....
Not comparing just saying this was the advice given to takers at the time. And everything you just said was true.
I would rather look bad and win, than look good and lose.
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