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Jack McReady
DUST University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2013.12.18 08:43:00 -
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I guess ambush has become 5-6 tanks on each side because they are so easy to kill and are a serious ISK loss if destroyed. Oh wait 
funny, always the same guys which are known as just being bad tank pilots & hatemail writing scrubs step in defending the tank balance issues  |
Spkr4theDead
Red Star.
EoN.
1516
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Posted - 2013.12.18 08:56:00 -
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Jack McReady wrote:I guess ambush has become 5-6 tanks on each side because they are so easy to kill and are a serious ISK loss if destroyed. Oh wait funny, always the same guys which are known as just being bad tank pilots & hatemail writing scrubs step in defending the tank balance issues
Why are you going on about ambush? None of us care about ambush at all.
Teamwork for thee, but no teamwork for me, such is the motto of the anti vehicle infantry.
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Spkr4theDead
Red Star.
EoN.
1516
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Posted - 2013.12.18 09:02:00 -
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skippy678 wrote:BobThe 844-1 CakeMan wrote:Justin Tymes wrote:BobThe 844-1 CakeMan wrote:i just played an ambushed an soloed 2 tanks. takes 3 shots when their hardeners r down. i don't understand why it is so hard for u to kill them. O_o
i was using a proto forge gun. i can only imagine how easy it would be with 2 or more ppl.
and they were using maddys with scattered ion cannons. O_o
u just have to wait for the tank to stop glowing and pop they die so fast. :D
can someone tell me why it is so hard to kill tanks, because i am confused. Maybe because you were fighting bad tankers in your pub match? i dunno what's the standard. they ran with their hards down, and couldn't escape. i can't help u if u can't kill a tank. O_o i's not hard. it cost me 160k isk while i destroyed 700-1 mil You do recognize that they are nerfing your speed and nitrous % at downtime tonight.(CCP never hotfixes..and if they are between patches it means it was really bad) I want balance I really do. but this aint it man. The best thing would have been for them to get closer than they did with balance. just making this all take longer before i start getting in good matches again.
They're doing it because infantry wants them to, just like it took them a day to fix the MLT NOS module. Took them a week to fix the bugged tank turret angles when Uprising first launched.
Teamwork for thee, but no teamwork for me, such is the motto of the anti vehicle infantry.
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Jack McReady
DUST University
Ivy League
966
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Posted - 2013.12.18 09:11:00 -
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Spkr4theDead wrote:Jack McReady wrote:I guess ambush has become 5-6 tanks on each side because they are so easy to kill and are a serious ISK loss if destroyed. Oh wait funny, always the same guys which are known as just being bad tank pilots & hatemail writing scrubs step in defending the tank balance issues Why are you going on about ambush? None of us care about ambush at all.
I guess it is too hard for hatemail writing scrubs to read what the OP wrote |
BobThe 844-1 CakeMan
Murder Cakes Of Doom
1304
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Posted - 2013.12.18 10:50:00 -
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Spectral Clone wrote:1. OP says AVers are bad.
2. OP have not tried swarms, AV nades or plasma cannon.
What the hell man. Get you shiznitz together!
0/10
well u guys say every AV weapon is bad. telling me how u can't kill a tank with an AV weapon.
i have already expressed what i think of the swarm launcher.
Tank driver. 10 mil SP in tanks 8 mil into infantry.
Msg my main BobThe843CakeMan
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Blake Kingston
Sinq Laison Gendarmes
Gallente Federation
153
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Posted - 2013.12.18 11:01:00 -
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BobThe 844-1 CakeMan wrote:u just have to wait for the tank to stop glowing and pop they die so fast. :D
Bad players just can't find the waiting room.
Wait...there's a waiting room?
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negative49er
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
DARKSTAR ARMY
418
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Posted - 2013.12.18 12:15:00 -
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the time I complain is when i put my remotes on a tank take a plasma cannon shot to take down it shields and detonate and it survive
Dedicated Shotgun Scout
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Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
2218
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Posted - 2013.12.18 14:01:00 -
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BobThe 844-1 CakeMan wrote:Atiim wrote:BobThe 844-1 CakeMan wrote:
yea they can when u lure a tank over to u with swarms and then it drives over a pile of them.
So he must have been in a logi suit with 9-12 of them. And it must have been Amarr Logistics so you couldn't have possibly been carrying 12. And if your AVing in a Logi suit that isn't Amarr, your doing it wrong. Very wrong. Tell me, what was the name of the Proximity Explosive he used? didn't see he died by backing up into a wall or something didn't pop up in kill feed XD but the explosion was there O_o prob bailed before last swarm killed him
So the Proximity Explosive didn't kill him?
Also, I highly doubt that they were actually Proximity Explosives, as they wouldn't have done enough damage to even constitute it's destruction.
If your going ot make a claim about how easy AV is to use, then please make a video of you using AV against a pilot with an IQ greater than 5.
Why must vehicle pilots try to ruin DUST 514 for everyone?
Do they really want to go 60/0 that badly?
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Takahiro Kashuken
Red Star.
EoN.
1976
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Posted - 2013.12.18 14:12:00 -
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OP is correct |
Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
2218
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Posted - 2013.12.18 14:13:00 -
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Takahiro Kashuken wrote:OP is correct
Because tankers were "good"
Because being a tanker has ever required skill
Why must vehicle pilots try to ruin DUST 514 for everyone?
Do they really want to go 60/0 that badly?
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Lorhak Gannarsein
752
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Posted - 2013.12.18 14:15:00 -
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Jack McReady wrote:I guess ambush has become 5-6 tanks on each side because they are so easy to kill and are a serious ISK loss if destroyed. Oh wait funny, always the same guys which are known as just being bad tank pilots & hatemail writing scrubs step in defending the tank balance issues
Spkr and Bob are many things, and I might not agree with all the stuff they say, but one thin is for certain - they're good pilots.
>Cosgar: You know, tanks are actually paper thin once their modules are in cooldown.
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Takahiro Kashuken
Red Star.
EoN.
1976
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Posted - 2013.12.18 14:16:00 -
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Atiim wrote:Takahiro Kashuken wrote:OP is correct Because tankers were "good" Because being a tanker has ever required skill
Well you died to a militia small turret from a dropship so yes it does take skill |
Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
2218
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Posted - 2013.12.18 14:23:00 -
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Takahiro Kashuken wrote:Atiim wrote:Takahiro Kashuken wrote:OP is correct Because tankers were "good" Because being a tanker has ever required skill Well you died to a militia small turret from a dropship so yes it does take skill
Didn't I already address this when Spkr mentioned that?
What part of "the fit had it's hardeners and efficient reps swamped for heavy shield and armor transporters" do you not understand?
Now, what skill have any vehicle in DUST 514 ever required? (Bar the Dropship)
Why must vehicle pilots try to ruin DUST 514 for everyone?
Do they really want to go 60/0 that badly?
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chase rowland
The Enclave Syndicate
Dark Taboo
124
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Posted - 2013.12.18 14:23:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:BobThe 844-1 CakeMan wrote:but u can kill them with a weapon tht takes no skills to use...
the point of stronger av, is tht it's stronger and more capable of destroying tougher vehicles, no to go look it's a tank give me 1 sec with my proto forge and shoot it twice and it dies with hardeners up.
tanks with mods down are extremely weak
i do think webifiers should be added to balance the speed of tanks thou. You can get over 300 hp per second with a resistance module on their as well, and usually a nos. Only a bad tank is going to stick around once his hardeners are almost down. MUDFLAPS taught me that to be a good tanker, you always have to move, never sit around. You get in, kill some ****, and bounce, always always move. In the time it takes to charge and fire, most tanks have already healed around 1000 HP, the majority of the damage you just dealt, assuming hardeners are down. Only bad tankers die to anything but concentrated and coordinated prototype AV, and all matches now devolve into who's tank swarm comes out on top. It's stupid, and you are all welcome to it, but I'd rather watch my idiot blueberries die horrific deaths and quit the game than chase around these tanks all game for literally no reason at all. It's not what I signed up for, and I'll have no part of it.
oh I remember MUDFLAPS mcgillicutty (AKA SHTHEAD mcgillicutty), he was my tanking mentor and tanking buddy back in 1.1 and 1.2. he honestly was probably the best tanker in dust. never saw someone better at it then him. |
Takahiro Kashuken
Red Star.
EoN.
1976
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Posted - 2013.12.18 14:29:00 -
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Atiim wrote:Takahiro Kashuken wrote:Atiim wrote:Takahiro Kashuken wrote:OP is correct Because tankers were "good" Because being a tanker has ever required skill Well you died to a militia small turret from a dropship so yes it does take skill Didn't I already address this when Spkr mentioned that? What part of "the fit had it's hardeners and efficient reps swamped for heavy shield and armor transporters" do you not understand? Now, what skill have any vehicle in DUST 514 ever required? (Bar the Dropship)
Who fault was the fit? the pilots
Who was piloting the vehicle? you were
What killed the vehicle? a dropship with militia turrets
Can you easily escape dropships with milita turrets? yes you can
Why did the tank die to a militia turret? because the pilot is bad and has no skill
I can tell you skills, but you dont automatically acquire them, you have to learn by doing and from experience
Intelligence is OP
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Jack McReady
DUST University
Ivy League
967
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Posted - 2013.12.18 14:29:00 -
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Lorhak Gannarsein wrote:Jack McReady wrote:I guess ambush has become 5-6 tanks on each side because they are so easy to kill and are a serious ISK loss if destroyed. Oh wait funny, always the same guys which are known as just being bad tank pilots & hatemail writing scrubs step in defending the tank balance issues Spkr and Bob are many things, and I might not agree with all the stuff they say, but one thin is for certain - they're good pilots.
that is why they are known for the opposite and for writing hatemails when getting owned please tell me more. |
chase rowland
The Enclave Syndicate
Dark Taboo
125
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Posted - 2013.12.18 14:33:00 -
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Jack McReady wrote:Lorhak Gannarsein wrote:Jack McReady wrote:I guess ambush has become 5-6 tanks on each side because they are so easy to kill and are a serious ISK loss if destroyed. Oh wait funny, always the same guys which are known as just being bad tank pilots & hatemail writing scrubs step in defending the tank balance issues Spkr and Bob are many things, and I might not agree with all the stuff they say, but one thin is for certain - they're good pilots. that is why they are known for the opposite and for writing hatemails when getting owned please tell me more.
it is also why jack is known for being a dust university noob instead of a seasoned vet like bob or spkr.
please jack, tell me more |
Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
2218
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Posted - 2013.12.18 14:38:00 -
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chase rowland wrote:Jack McReady wrote:Lorhak Gannarsein wrote:Jack McReady wrote:I guess ambush has become 5-6 tanks on each side because they are so easy to kill and are a serious ISK loss if destroyed. Oh wait funny, always the same guys which are known as just being bad tank pilots & hatemail writing scrubs step in defending the tank balance issues Spkr and Bob are many things, and I might not agree with all the stuff they say, but one thin is for certain - they're good pilots. that is why they are known for the opposite and for writing hatemails when getting owned please tell me more. it is also why jack is known for being a dust university noob instead of a seasoned vet like bob or spkr. please jack, tell me more
Isn't CharCharOdell also in DUST University?
I guess that makes him a scrub too.
Why must vehicle pilots try to ruin DUST 514 for everyone?
Do they really want to go 60/0 that badly?
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chase rowland
The Enclave Syndicate
Dark Taboo
125
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Posted - 2013.12.18 14:46:00 -
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Atiim wrote:chase rowland wrote:Jack McReady wrote:Lorhak Gannarsein wrote:Jack McReady wrote:I guess ambush has become 5-6 tanks on each side because they are so easy to kill and are a serious ISK loss if destroyed. Oh wait funny, always the same guys which are known as just being bad tank pilots & hatemail writing scrubs step in defending the tank balance issues Spkr and Bob are many things, and I might not agree with all the stuff they say, but one thin is for certain - they're good pilots. that is why they are known for the opposite and for writing hatemails when getting owned please tell me more. it is also why jack is known for being a dust university noob instead of a seasoned vet like bob or spkr. please jack, tell me more Isn't CharCharOdell also in DUST University? I guess that makes him a scrub too.
yea but I knew him before he joined. he a good guy, a bit quiet though. never heard of jack though till about 2 weeks ago.
just rippin on the smartass |
DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
9099
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Posted - 2013.12.18 14:59:00 -
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chase rowland wrote:oh I remember MUDFLAPS mcgillicutty (AKA SHTHEAD mcgillicutty), he was my tanking mentor and tanking buddy back in 1.1 and 1.2. he honestly was probably the best tanker in dust. never saw someone better at it then him.
Yea, I never once respected tankers until I rolled around with him for a while and got some pointers on tanking. For the first time in DUST, I actually felt like there were some truly skilled tank drivers.
This patch has made it hard to tell who's a good tanker and who's just being lifted by the mechanics.
Honestly though, standard tanks are almost close to fine. Swarms, plasma cannons, and AV nades all need a slight buff, tank speed needs to be watched more, and the price point needs to raise a bit. A well fit standard tank should be around 700k to field, a well fit drophip around 500k, and an all militia tank should never ever ever be cheaper than 150k
Price is a huge part of the balance issue. It's one thing for rich players to be able to spam vehicles, it's another thing entirely for a day one player to be able to spam vehicles.
Vids / O7
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Jack McReady
DUST University
Ivy League
967
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Posted - 2013.12.18 15:00:00 -
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chase rowland wrote:yea but I knew him before he joined. he a good guy, a bit quiet though. never heard of jack though till about 2 weeks ago. just rippin on the smartass
I am here since the start of closed beta
and I guess I can feel "honored" to have hatemail from a "seasoned" vet on 2 different PSN accounts  |
chase rowland
The Enclave Syndicate
Dark Taboo
126
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Posted - 2013.12.18 15:05:00 -
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Jack McReady wrote:chase rowland wrote:yea but I knew him before he joined. he a good guy, a bit quiet though. never heard of jack though till about 2 weeks ago. just rippin on the smartass I am here since the start of closed beta and I guess I can feel "honored" to have hatemail from a "seasoned" vet on 2 different PSN accounts
well I don't remember you in closed beta, and I am my own person. im not one of them |
chase rowland
The Enclave Syndicate
Dark Taboo
127
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Posted - 2013.12.18 15:10:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:chase rowland wrote:oh I remember MUDFLAPS mcgillicutty (AKA SHTHEAD mcgillicutty), he was my tanking mentor and tanking buddy back in 1.1 and 1.2. he honestly was probably the best tanker in dust. never saw someone better at it then him. Yea, I never once respected tankers until I rolled around with him for a while and got some pointers on tanking. For the first time in DUST, I actually felt like there were some truly skilled tank drivers. This patch has made it hard to tell who's a good tanker and who's just being lifted by the mechanics. Honestly though, standard tanks are almost close to fine. Swarms, plasma cannons, and AV nades all need a slight buff, tank speed needs to be watched more, and the price point needs to raise a bit. A well fit standard tank should be around 700k to field, a well fit drophip around 500k, and an all militia tank should never ever ever be cheaper than 150k Price is a huge part of the balance issue. It's one thing for rich players to be able to spam vehicles, it's another thing entirely for a day one player to be able to spam vehicles.
yea honestly I hated tanks and tankers till I met him. he showed me how hard it was and what a skilled tanker really was. I was just to ignorant in the past to avoid them and now that I have experience as one, I feel bad for them. they went through a lot of crap till 1.7.
im glad they got the buff but they should nerf down militia tanks a bit so there is a reason to skill into it. what pisses me off is the tanks spam. they need to add separate team vehicle quotas to keep the spam down. limit it to 2-3 tanks per team. and as for the price, they need to bump up militia costs. back in 1.6 I had a tank that costed 2 mill. 170k for 1 tank? hah! |
Seymor Krelborn
DUST University
Ivy League
1704
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Posted - 2013.12.18 23:37:00 -
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Spkr4theDead wrote:Seymor Krelborn wrote:
and sure we could all just switch to fg.... but some of us went proto swarm and didn't skill into heavies at all...
Why am I not surprised..........................
you shouldn't be... the skills were there for the choice and gameplay... what do you think a game should purposely have skills in it that are worthless?
although this is true that many games have skills that are useless, it wasn't the developers of those games intention... whats the most messed up hee is the swarm skill was viable and ccp turned it into a crap waste of sp....
stop the lol bans in FW.... instead make teamkillers purple!
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=129910&fi
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Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
2227
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Posted - 2013.12.19 00:04:00 -
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Takahiro Kashuken wrote:
Who fault was the fit? the pilots
Who was piloting the vehicle? you were
What killed the vehicle? swarm launchers
Can you easily escape dropsuits with swarm launchers? yes you can
Why did the tank die to a swarm launcher? because the pilot is bad and has no skill
I can tell you skills, but I don't want to admit that there are none, so i'll pretend that you have to learn by doing and from experience
FTFY
Why must vehicle pilots try to ruin DUST 514 for everyone?
Do they really want to go 60/0 that badly?
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KING CHECKMATE
Scions of Athra
3347
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Posted - 2013.12.19 00:07:00 -
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BobThe 844-1 CakeMan wrote:i just played an ambushed an soloed 2 tanks. takes 3 shots when their hardeners r down. i don't understand why it is so hard for u to kill them. O_o
i was using a proto forge gun. i can only imagine how easy it would be with 2 or more ppl.
and they were using maddys with scattered ion cannons. O_o
u just have to wait for the tank to stop glowing and pop they die so fast. :D
can someone tell me why it is so hard to kill tanks, because i am confused.
Come at me. I have a Sica with 3 Hardeners....
AV-TANK BALANCE = https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1612446#post1612446
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BobThe 844-1 CakeMan
Murder Cakes Of Doom
1309
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Posted - 2013.12.19 02:31:00 -
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KING CHECKMATE wrote:BobThe 844-1 CakeMan wrote:i just played an ambushed an soloed 2 tanks. takes 3 shots when their hardeners r down. i don't understand why it is so hard for u to kill them. O_o
i was using a proto forge gun. i can only imagine how easy it would be with 2 or more ppl.
and they were using maddys with scattered ion cannons. O_o
u just have to wait for the tank to stop glowing and pop they die so fast. :D
can someone tell me why it is so hard to kill tanks, because i am confused. Come at me. I have a Sica with 3 Hardeners....
u shoot when hards r down. who shoots with hards up. Lol
Tank driver. 10 mil SP in tanks 8 mil into infantry.
Msg my main BobThe843CakeMan
I ring for everyone. :D
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Garrett Blacknova
Codex Troopers
4229
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Posted - 2013.12.19 02:40:00 -
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BobThe 844-1 CakeMan wrote:KING CHECKMATE wrote:Come at me. I have a Sica with 3 Hardeners.... u shoot when hards r down. who shoots with hards up. Lol
You know that with 3 Hardeners, you not only have more hardeners than a Sica has high OR low slots, but you also have enough hardeners to keep one up at all times without needing a window of vulnerability. |
DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
9128
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Posted - 2013.12.19 02:41:00 -
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Seymor Krelborn wrote:Spkr4theDead wrote:Seymor Krelborn wrote:
and sure we could all just switch to fg.... but some of us went proto swarm and didn't skill into heavies at all...
Why am I not surprised.......................... you shouldn't be... the skills were there for the choice and gameplay... what do you think a game should purposely have skills in it that are worthless? although this is true that many games have skills that are useless, it wasn't the developers of those games intention... whats the most messed up here is the swarm skill was viable and ccp turned it into a crap waste of sp....
Don't mind him, he's not very good at forming rational thoughts.
Vids / O7
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BobThe 844-1 CakeMan
Murder Cakes Of Doom
1310
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Posted - 2013.12.19 02:41:00 -
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Garrett Blacknova wrote:BobThe 844-1 CakeMan wrote:KING CHECKMATE wrote:Come at me. I have a Sica with 3 Hardeners.... u shoot when hards r down. who shoots with hards up. Lol You know that with 3 Hardeners, you not only have more hardeners than a Sica has high OR low slots, but you also have enough hardeners to keep one up at all times without needing a window of vulnerability.
he has 2 shield 1 armor which means he is weak when when the shield ones go down. and a 40% armor hardener isn't going to do much.
Tank driver. 10 mil SP in tanks 8 mil into infantry.
Msg my main BobThe843CakeMan
I ring for everyone. :D
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