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DUST Fiend wrote:

BobThe 844-1 CakeMan wrote:

DUST Fiend wrote:

I'm not going to risk hundreds of thousands of ISK just to kill a bunch of idiots rolling around in 70k tanks that won't hurt their wallet or fatten mine by killing them.

I'll just suicide LAV or float around in the sky, if I can even be bothered to play.

well if there is more than one tank then get a couple of mlita forge guns and shot the tanks at the same time. and pop they go. and u don't lose tht much isk.

People are welcome to do that, militia forges are garbage and only bad tank drivers die to them, even when focused. If I actually wanted to fight them (again, no reward for me or punishment for them), then I would actually engage them.

I could care less about winning the match since it makes no difference, and if my allies want to be stupid and lose their infantry fits to tanks, or waste the whole match trying and failing to put a dent in the enemies wallet, they're welcome to it.

The only reason I risk the ISK for my dropship is because that is actually enjoyable. When I fly, I have fun, until I die to some random dumb ass **** like triple stacked damage railguns so deep in the redline they don't even render, or RDVs that don't render until after they've killed you. Aside from that, flying is fun.

Chasing around fools who invested no SP or ISK all match, that's not fun. It's tedious, and I'll leave it to the less experienced players.

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BobThe 844-1 CakeMan Murder Cakes Of Doom 1295	Posted - 2013.12.18 01:24:00 - [1] - Quote i just played an ambushed an soloed 2 tanks. takes 3 shots when their hardeners r down. i don't understand why it is so hard for u to kill them. O_o i was using a proto forge gun. i can only imagine how easy it would be with 2 or more ppl. and they were using maddys with scattered ion cannons. O_o u just have to wait for the tank to stop glowing and pop they die so fast. :D can someone tell me why it is so hard to kill tanks, because i am confused. Tank driver. 10 mil SP in tanks 8 mil into infantry. Msg my main BobThe843CakeMan I ring for everyone. :D
Jrakraa5 ZilchmobZ Industries 25	Posted - 2013.12.18 01:25:00 - [2] - Quote people just love to whine and complain. btw, im running a 9k HP madrugar. come at me bro! Member of ZilchMobZ Industries. we have EVE pilots! join today! FacebookZilchmobz
BobThe 844-1 CakeMan Murder Cakes Of Doom 1295	Posted - 2013.12.18 01:26:00 - [3] - Quote Jrakraa5 wrote: people just love to whine and complain. btw, im running a 9k HP madrugar. come at me bro! i see. don't worry i have a special present for ppl like u. Tank driver. 10 mil SP in tanks 8 mil into infantry. Msg my main BobThe843CakeMan I ring for everyone. :D
Beld Errmon The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine 1144	Posted - 2013.12.18 01:29:00 - [4] - Quote Its not hard to kill tanks, its just harder then it was and no one likes change, personally I don't like how many tanks there are now and how fast they are, makes my role on the battle field much less unique, I enjoyed tanking against you in that PC match the other week, im still buttsore I failed to kill you when i got the jump on you in the city with my rail gun.
Jrakraa5 ZilchmobZ Industries 25	Posted - 2013.12.18 01:30:00 - [5] - Quote BobThe 844-1 CakeMan wrote: Jrakraa5 wrote: people just love to whine and complain. btw, im running a 9k HP madrugar. come at me bro! i see. don't worry i have a special present for ppl like u. i think that the active modules are a good idea, but ive gone 19 and 2 for TVT with this fit and i aint quitting anytime soon. armor passive modules are still BA if you level them to proto and an advanced Rail gun destroys everything. Member of ZilchMobZ Industries. we have EVE pilots! join today! FacebookZilchmobz
BobThe 844-1 CakeMan Murder Cakes Of Doom 1295	Posted - 2013.12.18 01:31:00 - [6] - Quote Beld Errmon wrote: Its not hard to kill tanks, its just harder then it was and no one likes change, personally I don't like how many tanks there are now and how fast they are, makes my role on the battle field much less unique, I enjoyed tanking against you in that PC match the other week, im still buttsore I failed to kill you when i got the jump on you in the city with my rail gun. don't worry u got me when i was lagging and could not move. :D but either way it was fun. love the tank battles. :D Tank driver. 10 mil SP in tanks 8 mil into infantry. Msg my main BobThe843CakeMan I ring for everyone. :D
HiddenBrother Days of Ruin 17	Posted - 2013.12.18 01:37:00 - [7] - Quote The lack of tower Forge gunners is hilarious. It's as if every one of them threw their arms up in the air, and stated: "You nerfed our toys; we give up." There should be at least two of them in every match. So many militia tanks to forge, and yet I rarely see a gunner. There were more present in 1.6! What. Ruin.
Justin Tymes Dem Durrty Boyz Renegade Alliance 561	Posted - 2013.12.18 01:37:00 - [8] - Quote BobThe 844-1 CakeMan wrote: i just played an ambushed an soloed 2 tanks. takes 3 shots when their hardeners r down. i don't understand why it is so hard for u to kill them. O_o i was using a proto forge gun. i can only imagine how easy it would be with 2 or more ppl. and they were using maddys with scattered ion cannons. O_o u just have to wait for the tank to stop glowing and pop they die so fast. :D can someone tell me why it is so hard to kill tanks, because i am confused. Maybe because you were fighting bad tankers in your pub match?
BobThe 844-1 CakeMan Murder Cakes Of Doom 1295	Posted - 2013.12.18 01:40:00 - [9] - Quote Justin Tymes wrote: BobThe 844-1 CakeMan wrote: i just played an ambushed an soloed 2 tanks. takes 3 shots when their hardeners r down. i don't understand why it is so hard for u to kill them. O_o i was using a proto forge gun. i can only imagine how easy it would be with 2 or more ppl. and they were using maddys with scattered ion cannons. O_o u just have to wait for the tank to stop glowing and pop they die so fast. :D can someone tell me why it is so hard to kill tanks, because i am confused. Maybe because you were fighting bad tankers in your pub match? i dunno what's the standard. they ran with their hards down, and couldn't escape. i can't help u if u can't kill a tank. O_o i's not hard. it cost me 160k isk while i destroyed 700-1 mil Tank driver. 10 mil SP in tanks 8 mil into infantry. Msg my main BobThe843CakeMan I ring for everyone. :D
Tech Ohm Eaven L.O.T.I.S. Public Disorder. 987	Posted - 2013.12.18 01:44:00 - [10] - Quote BobThe 844-1 CakeMan wrote: i just played an ambushed an soloed 2 tanks. takes 3 shots when their hardeners r down. i don't understand why it is so hard for u to kill them. O_o i was using a proto forge gun. i can only imagine how easy it would be with 2 or more ppl. and they were using maddys with scattered ion cannons. O_o u just have to wait for the tank to stop glowing and pop they die so fast. :D can someone tell me why it is so hard to kill tanks, because i am confused. TRANSLATION: Tanker doing damage control to avoid future nerfs.....LOL!! So you managed to kill two IDIOTS who have no idea that theres a WARP drive button for all tanks?. LOL! Refuses to play patch 1.7 AKA tank514 Back to playing TLOU Abandon Ship!, Abandon Ship!! Jumps into escape pod! Selected destination Planet PS4.

BobThe 844-1 CakeMan Murder Cakes Of Doom 1295	Posted - 2013.12.18 02:20:00 - [11] - Quote Tech Ohm Eaven wrote: BobThe 844-1 CakeMan wrote: i just played an ambushed an soloed 2 tanks. takes 3 shots when their hardeners r down. i don't understand why it is so hard for u to kill them. O_o i was using a proto forge gun. i can only imagine how easy it would be with 2 or more ppl. and they were using maddys with scattered ion cannons. O_o u just have to wait for the tank to stop glowing and pop they die so fast. :D can someone tell me why it is so hard to kill tanks, because i am confused. TRANSLATION: Tanker doing damage control to avoid future nerfs.....LOL!! So you managed to kill two IDIOTS who have no idea that theres a WARP drive button for all tanks?. LOL! Refuses to play patch 1.7 AKA tank514 Back to playing TLOU bad player is bad. says the person who doesn't play 1.7 for a weak and refuses to adapt. please. if it is so hard to kill tanks why can i do it solo? shouldn't it be impossible? another player in tht match had proxies and lured another tank into them and Boom. OHK. Adapt or die. o/ Tank driver. 10 mil SP in tanks 8 mil into infantry. Msg my main BobThe843CakeMan I ring for everyone. :D
Toby Flenderson research lab 156	Posted - 2013.12.18 02:23:00 - [12] - Quote BobThe 844-1 CakeMan wrote: Hey, guys. I'm, like, really good at Dust.
BobThe 844-1 CakeMan Murder Cakes Of Doom 1295	Posted - 2013.12.18 02:24:00 - [13] - Quote Toby Flenderson wrote: BobThe 844-1 CakeMan wrote: Hey, guys. I'm, like, really good at Dust. O_o. doesn't take a master to stand and shoot a forgegun at a tank. who can't do tht? Tank driver. 10 mil SP in tanks 8 mil into infantry. Msg my main BobThe843CakeMan I ring for everyone. :D
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 1513	Posted - 2013.12.18 02:37:00 - [14] - Quote Tech Ohm Eaven wrote: BobThe 844-1 CakeMan wrote: i just played an ambushed an soloed 2 tanks. takes 3 shots when their hardeners r down. i don't understand why it is so hard for u to kill them. O_o i was using a proto forge gun. i can only imagine how easy it would be with 2 or more ppl. and they were using maddys with scattered ion cannons. O_o u just have to wait for the tank to stop glowing and pop they die so fast. :D can someone tell me why it is so hard to kill tanks, because i am confused. TRANSLATION: Tanker doing damage control to avoid future nerfs.....LOL!! So you managed to kill two IDIOTS who have no idea that theres a WARP drive button for all tanks?. LOL! Refuses to play patch 1.7 AKA tank514 Back to playing TLOU So you're refusing to play a game in which tankers now can easily battle each other without having to worry about being chased to the redline by a solitary red dot with a height advantage and PRO swarms? We don't want you here anyway. Teamwork for thee, but no teamwork for me, such is the motto of the anti vehicle infantry.
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 9079	Posted - 2013.12.18 02:38:00 - [15] - Quote I'm not going to risk hundreds of thousands of ISK just to kill a bunch of idiots rolling around in 70k tanks that won't hurt their wallet or fatten mine by killing them. I'll just suicide LAV or float around in the sky, if I can even be bothered to play. Vids / O7
DJINN Marauder Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 3408	Posted - 2013.12.18 02:40:00 - [16] - Quote I QQ about my Nerfed av nades and swarms :( Av isn't bad... Just the swarms and av nades.. Forge guns are pretty good GôÉGô¥GôÿGô£Gôö > GôÉGô¢Gô¢ Gÿà¿When will dust get better?Gÿà Forum Warrior LV. 3 \| Warframe is awesome! \| PSN: I-NINJA-ALL-DAY
BobThe 844-1 CakeMan Murder Cakes Of Doom 1297	Posted - 2013.12.18 02:42:00 - [17] - Quote DJINN Marauder wrote: I QQ about my Nerfed av nades and swarms :( Av isn't bad... Just the swarms and av nades.. Forge guns are pretty good can't help u with tht. i don't use it. i only have ADV swarms and STD AV nades. but i will say it's light AV and should not be as effective as heavy AV. but like i said never use it. Tank driver. 10 mil SP in tanks 8 mil into infantry. Msg my main BobThe843CakeMan I ring for everyone. :D
BobThe 844-1 CakeMan Murder Cakes Of Doom 1297	Posted - 2013.12.18 02:43:00 - [18] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: I'm not going to risk hundreds of thousands of ISK just to kill a bunch of idiots rolling around in 70k tanks that won't hurt their wallet or fatten mine by killing them. I'll just suicide LAV or float around in the sky, if I can even be bothered to play. well if there is more than one tank then get a couple of mlita forge guns and shot the tanks at the same time. and pop they go. and u don't lose tht much isk. Tank driver. 10 mil SP in tanks 8 mil into infantry. Msg my main BobThe843CakeMan I ring for everyone. :D
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 9080	Posted - 2013.12.18 02:47:00 - [19] - Quote BobThe 844-1 CakeMan wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: I'm not going to risk hundreds of thousands of ISK just to kill a bunch of idiots rolling around in 70k tanks that won't hurt their wallet or fatten mine by killing them. I'll just suicide LAV or float around in the sky, if I can even be bothered to play. well if there is more than one tank then get a couple of mlita forge guns and shot the tanks at the same time. and pop they go. and u don't lose tht much isk. People are welcome to do that, militia forges are garbage and only bad tank drivers die to them, even when focused. If I actually wanted to fight them (again, no reward for me or punishment for them), then I would actually engage them. I could care less about winning the match since it makes no difference, and if my allies want to be stupid and lose their infantry fits to tanks, or waste the whole match trying and failing to put a dent in the enemies wallet, they're welcome to it. The only reason I risk the ISK for my dropship is because that is actually enjoyable. When I fly, I have fun, until I die to some random dumb ass **** like triple stacked damage railguns so deep in the redline they don't even render, or RDVs that don't render until after they've killed you. Aside from that, flying is fun. Chasing around fools who invested no SP or ISK all match, that's not fun. It's tedious, and I'll leave it to the less experience players. Vids / O7
BobThe 844-1 CakeMan Murder Cakes Of Doom 1297	Posted - 2013.12.18 02:50:00 - [20] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: BobThe 844-1 CakeMan wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: I'm not going to risk hundreds of thousands of ISK just to kill a bunch of idiots rolling around in 70k tanks that won't hurt their wallet or fatten mine by killing them. I'll just suicide LAV or float around in the sky, if I can even be bothered to play. well if there is more than one tank then get a couple of mlita forge guns and shot the tanks at the same time. and pop they go. and u don't lose tht much isk. People are welcome to do that, militia forges are garbage and only bad tank drivers die to them, even when focused. If I actually wanted to fight them (again, no reward for me or punishment for them), then I would actually engage them. I could care less about winning the match since it makes no difference, and if my allies want to be stupid and lose their infantry fits to tanks, or waste the whole match trying and failing to put a dent in the enemies wallet, they're welcome to it. The only reason I risk the ISK for my dropship is because that is actually enjoyable. When I fly, I have fun, until I die to some random dumb ass **** like triple stacked damage railguns so deep in the redline they don't even render, or RDVs that don't render until after they've killed you. Aside from that, flying is fun. Chasing around fools who invested no SP or ISK all match, that's not fun. It's tedious, and I'll leave it to the less experienced players. but u can kill them with a weapon tht takes no skills to use... the point of stronger av, is tht it's stronger and more capable of destroying tougher vehicles, no to go look it's a tank give me 1 sec with my proto forge and shoot it twice and it dies with hardeners up. tanks with mods down are extremely weak i do think webifiers should be added to balance the speed of tanks thou. Tank driver. 10 mil SP in tanks 8 mil into infantry. Msg my main BobThe843CakeMan I ring for everyone. :D

DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 9080	Posted - 2013.12.18 02:54:00 - [21] - Quote BobThe 844-1 CakeMan wrote: but u can kill them with a weapon tht takes no skills to use... the point of stronger av, is tht it's stronger and more capable of destroying tougher vehicles, no to go look it's a tank give me 1 sec with my proto forge and shoot it twice and it dies with hardeners up. tanks with mods down are extremely weak i do think webifiers should be added to balance the speed of tanks thou. You can get over 300 hp per second with a resistance module on their as well, and usually a nos. Only a bad tank is going to stick around once his hardeners are almost down. MUDFLAPS taught me that to be a good tanker, you always have to move, never sit around. You get in, kill some ****, and bounce, always always move. In the time it takes to charge and fire, most tanks have already healed around 1000 HP, the majority of the damage you just dealt, assuming hardeners are down. Only bad tankers die to anything but concentrated and coordinated prototype AV, and all matches now devolve into who's tank swarm comes out on top. It's stupid, and you are all welcome to it, but I'd rather watch my idiot blueberries die horrific deaths and quit the game than chase around these tanks all game for literally no reason at all. It's not what I signed up for, and I'll have no part of it. Vids / O7
Dexter307 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar 667	Posted - 2013.12.18 02:58:00 - [22] - Quote Dont nerf tanks or buff AV! I love going 20-0 every match in militia tanks that cost me 90-100k isk, its probably the most EZ mode ive ever had!
BobThe 844-1 CakeMan Murder Cakes Of Doom 1298	Posted - 2013.12.18 02:59:00 - [23] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: BobThe 844-1 CakeMan wrote: but u can kill them with a weapon tht takes no skills to use... the point of stronger av, is tht it's stronger and more capable of destroying tougher vehicles, no to go look it's a tank give me 1 sec with my proto forge and shoot it twice and it dies with hardeners up. tanks with mods down are extremely weak i do think webifiers should be added to balance the speed of tanks thou. You can get over 300 hp per second with a resistance module on their as well, and usually a nos. Only a bad tank is going to stick around once his hardeners are almost down. MUDFLAPS taught me that to be a good tanker, you always have to move, never sit around. You get in, kill some ****, and bounce, always always move. In the time it takes to charge and fire, most tanks have already healed around 1000 HP, the majority of the damage you just dealt, assuming hardeners are down. Only bad tankers die to anything but concentrated and coordinated prototype AV, and all matches now devolve into who's tank swarm comes out on top. It's stupid, and you are all welcome to it, but I'd rather watch my idiot blueberries die horrific deaths and quit the game than chase around these tanks all game for literally no reason at all. It's not what I signed up for, and I'll have no part of it. tht's because he is good. do u see everyone doing tht? tht's his playstyle not everyones, and just like the rest it can be countered. like proxies on the road. he loves to hide in the redline so u could camp it so when he leaves he gets destroyed by the alpha damage of multiple AV. Tank driver. 10 mil SP in tanks 8 mil into infantry. Msg my main BobThe843CakeMan I ring for everyone. :D
BobThe 844-1 CakeMan Murder Cakes Of Doom 1298	Posted - 2013.12.18 03:01:00 - [24] - Quote Dexter307 wrote: Dont nerf tanks or buff AV! I love going 20-0 every match in militia tanks that cost me 90-100k isk, its probably the most EZ mode ive ever had! i don't agree. webifiers need to be added. tanks r fast and hard to get while their stuff is down. but when they r they r dead. hence webifiers would be awesome. Tank driver. 10 mil SP in tanks 8 mil into infantry. Msg my main BobThe843CakeMan I ring for everyone. :D
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 9084	Posted - 2013.12.18 03:11:00 - [25] - Quote BobThe 844-1 CakeMan wrote: tht's because he is good. do u see everyone doing tht? tht's his playstyle not everyones, and just like the rest it can be countered. like proxies on the road. he loves to hide in the redline so u could camp it so when he leaves he gets destroyed by the alpha damage of multiple AV. I've basically never seen MUDFLAPS in the redline for longer than the time it takes to resupply, though I know he uses a railgun when he gets annoyed at people. I don't care if bad tankers are bad, they're typically in free militia tanks and I will not be bothered to jump through hoops to destroy something that will not hurt the enemy nor help me. If a well fit tank cost more than a well fit dropship, we could talk. Till then, TANK 514 is not the game for me. I might troll around in game from time to time, but that's it. Vids / O7
BobThe 844-1 CakeMan Murder Cakes Of Doom 1299	Posted - 2013.12.18 03:14:00 - [26] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: BobThe 844-1 CakeMan wrote: tht's because he is good. do u see everyone doing tht? tht's his playstyle not everyones, and just like the rest it can be countered. like proxies on the road. he loves to hide in the redline so u could camp it so when he leaves he gets destroyed by the alpha damage of multiple AV. I've basically never seen MUDFLAPS in the redline for longer than the time it takes to resupply, though I know he uses a railgun when he gets annoyed at people. I don't care if bad tankers are bad, they're typically in free militia tanks and I will not be bothered to destroy something that will not hurt the enemy nor help me. If a well fit tank cost more than a well fit dropship, we could talk. Till then, TANK 514 is not the game for me. I might troll around in game from time to time, but that's it. tht last point is true, but is it all dropships or only assault dropships. would a myron/grimmses cost more than a tank. both are the STD versions, the assault dropships are a varriation. Tank driver. 10 mil SP in tanks 8 mil into infantry. Msg my main BobThe843CakeMan I ring for everyone. :D
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 9084	Posted - 2013.12.18 03:18:00 - [27] - Quote BobThe 844-1 CakeMan wrote: tht last point is true, but is it all dropships or only assault dropships. would a myron/grimmses cost more than a tank. both are the STD versions, the assault dropships are a varriation. The point remains. Standard tanks are destructive forces that require terrible driving on their part or excellent coordination on your part to typically overcome. They are much more destructive and resilient than all but the most skilled dropship pilots, while requiring much less personal effort on the part of the driver. A well fit tank should simply never cost less than a well fit dropship, period. A militia tank should cost no less than 150k when fit with all militia modules. Standard dropships are still a joke, but at least they can take a couple hits now, for what it's worth. Vids / O7
m twiggz Pradox One Proficiency V. 166	Posted - 2013.12.18 03:19:00 - [28] - Quote BobThe 844-1 CakeMan wrote: i just played an ambushed an soloed 2 tanks. takes 3 shots when their hardeners r down. i don't understand why it is so hard for u to kill them. O_o i was using a proto forge gun. i can only imagine how easy it would be with 2 or more ppl. and they were using maddys with scattered ion cannons. O_o u just have to wait for the tank to stop glowing and pop they die so fast. :D can someone tell me why it is so hard to kill tanks, because i am confused. I completely understand what you're saying, yes I have read the entire thread. With that being said - not everyone has a heavy with a forge gun, especially not a proto one. In my opinion tanks are fantastic now, adds a little more excitement to the battlefield. I believe the problem is with swarms and AV grenades. Both are rendered almost completely useless in this build. At most they're just a distraction to a tank or dropship, unless you're running with a few other AV'ers. I don't want to go back to 1.6 where I could kill Madrugers and Gunnlogis with 'Dren' swarms but I think they went a bit overboard with the nerf to them. As someone stated in a thread a few days ago; basic AV should be on par with basic vehicles, advanced AV should be on par with advanced vehicles and so on. Not to say one person with basic AV should be able to take on a basic tank, but it should at least make the tank worry, in this build it doesn't. I've never ran tanks before this update for lack of interest. Ran my first tank ever yesterday, a Sica with a build I saw posted on the forums the same day. I managed to get myself stuck in a corner, 2 AV guys started swarming me while someone else came in to throw AV grenades... 10 seconds later I was finally unstuck, they hadn't managed to even break into my armor. Even if they're newberries with basic gear (not sure if they were or not) three AV guys with basic AV should be able to take out a basic/militia tank no problem. I'll adapt no problem, no QQ from me. You would be obviously ignoring the balance issue if you think all is fine and dandy here.
Seymor Krelborn DUST University Ivy League 1699	Posted - 2013.12.18 03:20:00 - [29] - Quote BobThe 844-1 CakeMan wrote: i just played an ambushed an soloed 2 tanks. takes 3 shots when their hardeners r down. i don't understand why it is so hard for u to kill them. O_o i was using a proto forge gun. i can only imagine how easy it would be with 2 or more ppl. and they were using maddys with scattered ion cannons. O_o u just have to wait for the tank to stop glowing and pop they die so fast. :D can someone tell me why it is so hard to kill tanks, because i am confused. lol FG... now try it with swarms or AV nades and see how scrubby you feel.... stop the lol bans in FW.... instead make teamkillers purple! https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=129910&fi
BobThe 844-1 CakeMan Murder Cakes Of Doom 1300	Posted - 2013.12.18 03:21:00 - [30] - Quote Seymor Krelborn wrote: BobThe 844-1 CakeMan wrote: i just played an ambushed an soloed 2 tanks. takes 3 shots when their hardeners r down. i don't understand why it is so hard for u to kill them. O_o i was using a proto forge gun. i can only imagine how easy it would be with 2 or more ppl. and they were using maddys with scattered ion cannons. O_o u just have to wait for the tank to stop glowing and pop they die so fast. :D can someone tell me why it is so hard to kill tanks, because i am confused. lol FG... now try it with swarms or AV nades and see how scrubby you feel.... y not forge. u guys were saying how it is impossible to solo tanks. wouldn't tht mean any AV weapon not just swarms and av nades. would the PLC also have troubles? Tank driver. 10 mil SP in tanks 8 mil into infantry. Msg my main BobThe843CakeMan I ring for everyone. :D



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