I completely understand what you're saying, yes I have read the entire thread. With that being said - not everyone has a heavy with a forge gun, especially not a proto one. In my opinion tanks are fantastic now, adds a little more excitement to the battlefield. I believe the problem is with swarms and AV grenades. Both are rendered almost completely useless in this build. At most they're just a distraction to a tank or dropship, unless you're running with a few other AV'ers. I don't want to go back to 1.6 where I could kill Madrugers and Gunnlogis with 'Dren' swarms but I think they went a bit overboard with the nerf to them.

As someone stated in a thread a few days ago; basic AV should be on par with basic vehicles, advanced AV should be on par with advanced vehicles and so on.

Not to say one person with basic AV should be able to take on a basic tank, but it should at least make the tank worry, in this build it doesn't. I've never ran tanks before this update for lack of interest. Ran my first tank ever yesterday, a Sica with a build I saw posted on the forums the same day. I managed to get myself stuck in a corner, 2 AV guys started swarming me while someone else came in to throw AV grenades... 10 seconds later I was finally unstuck, they hadn't managed to even break into my armor. Even if they're newberries with basic gear (not sure if they were or not) three AV guys with basic AV should be able to take out a basic/militia tank no problem.

I'll adapt no problem, no QQ from me. You would be obviously ignoring the balance issue if you think all is fine and dandy here.

not good only thing needed are webifiers.

if infantry had a way to make tanks stop it would make killing them easier for light av. make it take a grenade slot. this would have have to be used with cordinaion with others and would be very effective.

swarms honestly shouldn't be so strong. it's a light av weapon. it should however be effective when used on a tank with no hardeners on. which maybe not as effective as a forge, is still good.

i feel once webifiers r added a lot of QQ over tanks will be gone.

y not forge. u guys were saying how it is impossible to solo tanks. wouldn't tht mean any AV weapon not just swarms and av nades. would the PLC also have troubles?

Would the PLC have trouble... This guy

Good Forge Gunner waits lets someone else trigger hardeners on the enemy tank, waits it out, then pops up and slaughters as the cooldowns are kicking in.

A good Swarm user can solo a cheap Madrugar or Soma fit if they're smart about how they do it and the tanker allows themselves to be baited. Worst-case scenario for a skilled AV player should be area denial. The enemy tank has to keep distance if you're doing your job well. You don't necessarily get kills, but you control the battlefield. If they bring back vehicle damage WP, this should work out nicely.

bad player is bad.

says the person who doesn't play 1.4 for a weak and refuses to adapt.

please. if it is so hard to survive PRO AV why can i do it easily? shouldn't it be impossible?

another player in tht match had proxies and lured another tank into them and Boom. OHK.

Adapt or die. o/

FTFY

Also, your clearly lying. Proxies can't OHK. Regardless of tier.

Nice attempt though.

FTFY

Also, your clearly lying. Proxies can't OHK. Regardless of tier.

Nice attempt though.

O_o. doesn't take a master to stand and shoot a forgegun at a tank. who can't do tht?

yea they can when u lure a tank over to u with swarms and then it drives over a pile of them.

So he must have been in a logi suit with 9-12 of them.

And it must have been Amarr Logistics so you couldn't have possibly been carrying 12. And if your AVing in a Logi suit that isn't Amarr, your doing it wrong. Very wrong.

Tell me, what was the name of the Proximity Explosive he used?

I'd also like to remind everyone that bad tankers die to ground traps because a loud BEEP BEEP BEEP tells you you're about to die.

i just played an ambushed an soloed 2 tanks. takes 3 shots when their hardeners r down. i don't understand why it is so hard for u to kill them. O_o

i was using a proto forge gun. i can only imagine how easy it would be with 2 or more ppl.

and they were using maddys with scattered ion cannons. O_o

u just have to wait for the tank to stop glowing and pop they die so fast. :D

can someone tell me why it is so hard to kill tanks, because i am confused.

So he must have been in a logi suit with 9-12 of them.

And it must have been Amarr Logistics so you couldn't have possibly been carrying 12. And if your AVing in a Logi suit that isn't Amarr, your doing it wrong. Very wrong.

Tell me, what was the name of the Proximity Explosive he used?

FTFY

Also, your clearly lying. Proxies can't OHK. Regardless of tier.

Nice attempt though.

Why would you bother to put up the ISK and effort against something that costs less ISK and effort to run? Why would you sit around all game being "area denial" against someone who loses virtually nothing if they fail? Outside of PC, I fail to see the logic behind this.

y not forge. u guys were saying how it is impossible to solo tanks. wouldn't tht mean any AV weapon not just swarms and av nades. would the PLC also have troubles?

I'm not going to risk hundreds of thousands of ISK just to kill a bunch of idiots rolling around in 70k tanks that won't hurt their wallet or fatten mine by killing them.

I'll just suicide LAV or float around in the sky, if I can even be bothered to play.

So then you're admitting you're doing nothing about it. Why do you bother giving us your opinion?

and sure we could all just switch to fg.... but some of us went proto swarm and didn't skill into heavies at all...

I've already covered plenty of it in subsequent comments that you chose to disregard because you have no idea how to formulate an intelligent argument, so you just thump your chest like you're a skilled tanker, when most of us know you're just a joke

i just played an ambushed an soloed 2 tanks. takes 3 shots when their hardeners r down. i don't understand why it is so hard for u to kill them. O_o

i was using a proto forge gun. i can only imagine how easy it would be with 2 or more ppl.

and they were using maddys with scattered ion cannons. O_o

u just have to wait for the tank to stop glowing and pop they die so fast. :D

can someone tell me why it is so hard to kill tanks, because i am confused.

i just played an ambushed an soloed 2 tanks. takes 3 shots when their hardeners r down. i don't understand why it is so hard for u to kill them. O_o

i was using a proto forge gun. i can only imagine how easy it would be with 2 or more ppl.

and they were using maddys with scattered ion cannons. O_o

u just have to wait for the tank to stop glowing and pop they die so fast. :D

can someone tell me why it is so hard to kill tanks, because i am confused.

TRANSLATION:

Tanker doing damage control to avoid future nerfs.....LOL!!

So you managed to kill two IDIOTS who have no idea that theres a WARP drive button for all tanks?.

LOL!

Refuses to play patch 1.7 AKA tank514

Back to playing TLOU

i just played an ambushed an soloed 2 tanks. takes 3 shots when their hardeners r down. i don't understand why it is so hard for u to kill them. O_o

i was using a proto forge gun. i can only imagine how easy it would be with 2 or more ppl.

and they were using maddys with scattered ion cannons. O_o

u just have to wait for the tank to stop glowing and pop they die so fast. :D

can someone tell me why it is so hard to kill tanks, because i am confused.

i dunno what's the standard. they ran with their hards down, and couldn't escape.

i can't help u if u can't kill a tank. O_o i's not hard. it cost me 160k isk while i destroyed 700-1 mil