No, tanks need a buff.
They should properly be solo pubstomp machines and literally the only thing that should be able to take them out should be another tank. AV is terrible and a crutch and needs to be removed. It's a tank - therefore it should be nigh on invincible.

Also, tanks are still too expensive. A Madrugar can cost more than a proto dropsuit - that's ridiculous.

Doesnt matter because thats still causing a balence issue if it takes 3 guys to kill 1 guy there is issue, it not about tanks supporting a fireteam its bout making a tank require the same amount of people to kill as it does operate so we have 3 choices.

1: nerf the tanks tanking ability so one guy can kill it.
2: Rebalence large turrets to be AV rather than Anti infantry like the blaster so that the solo tank is now a AV and supression platform new role that is not more useful than 1 unit, to be effective against infantry you must have gunners therefore creating a AV v V balence at a 2 or 3 vrs 2 or 3
3: As op stated make it so it requires 2 or 3 people to operate said tank this is by far the best balenced as option 2 leaves proper tankers that want to fully crew them selfs at a weakness to solo tanks.

Most infantry want option 1 as its a quick fix and favors them, anyone who actually wants balence and more depth in the game wants option 3 the only real issue with it is its not a quick fix and would take time to implement correctly as it involves tanks being a coop vehicle which it is not at the moment.

It should also take three persons in side the tank in order for the tank to move, aim / fire, and reload its weapon.

This kind of thing has been suggested fairly often, but solo tankers want to solo tank, and solo tankers feel they should stomp infantry because :tank:

My personal favourite approach is for tanks to be fairly weak by default, but if there are three players in one then the tank owner can enable "crew mode" at which point the driver gets the front small turret, the gunner gets the large turret (and also a limited field of view) and the top gunner (commander) gets the external view but is the only one who can activate modules.

In "crew mode" the tank gets significant bonuses to EHP and speed, making it worth at least 3, probably 4 or 5, infantry.

Tankers can make a ton of WP's if set as a Defend order and all three persons in the tank make extra WP's with any WP action gained.

I like your approach only issue I see is the whole Tank skill tree issue.
Mind you forcing three persons in a tank in order to use highly priced tank skills can also be an issue.

Crew mode I like that.

It should also take three persons in side the tank in order for the tank to move, aim / fire, and reload its weapon.

- Remove one person from the tank and the tank then loses its ability to reload its weapons

- Remove two persons from the tank and it loses its ability to fire its weapon

- Remove three persons...................well you get the point

Team work ^

Ahhhhhh Balance.

TL:Don't Care

If it takes three AVers to take down a tank it should take three persons to run a tank.

Kiss

Keep it simple stupid$

No, it should take one person to take down a tank.
But it shouldn't be as easy as "LOCKBOOMLOCKBOOM" lol dead tank
or "Don't worry guys I'll handle the tank" *chucks 3 Lai Dais and jumps over the burning wreck*.

It should require things like webifiers, emps that freeze weapons, **** like this that makes it hell for the tank, can be done by a single person, can be made easier by a group of people (Like, one guy with webs slowing the guy to a crawl, one guy with something that jams the weapons and one that unloads a forge into the guys rear). Which in turn would give tanks more reason to run with Infantry.

Before we'd get stomped by AV and then told "use teamwork", but honestly unless it was a tank squad (which cost millions of ISK) we couldn't use teamwork, because we were getting battered from a massive distance by all AV, it took a few Lai Dais to kill us before friendly Infantry could even react. Now we can, we can survive longer now, so by promoting teamwork through AV (but not making it a necessity) means Tanks would look to Infantry for support.

I mean imagine a squad of three AVers with the following setup of weapons I'd like to see.
Webifier Weapon that when fired (like a laser) can reduce the movment speed of a tank to a slow crawl, stupidly slow.
A weapon that can be thrown that like an AV grenade, seeks the target and locks up the turrets of the vehicle, very slow rotation speed, massive overheat when firing weapon and possibly other things, debuff lasts for let's say 10 seconds.
A Forge Gunner.

So we're imagining, Tank rolling down the street with not a care in the world, A Forge hits it, Tank immediately pops shield hardeners, looks for target.

Webifier and guy with the turret malfunction equipment sneak up behind the tank, they fire at it from cover. Tank turns around to fire back, easy kills right?. Forge hits it a second time and the tank turns his turret, back, the support fire their weapons, it's now very slow and cannot turn its turret very fast, it remains like this as the hardener runs out.

Forge gun aims at Tank rear because tank cannot speed away nor rotate very fast, Tank is slain, drops 9 gil and a potion.

This could be a very likely story if ewar was added and functioning well within the game. With ewar would come reasons a tanker would like to be by Infantry, if you're stuck in the situation as above and have an Infantry friend, the guys with webs and equipment to make the tank malfunction can be dropped to allow the tank to escape, rather than the Tanker hoping he can solo all the things.

Tl;Dr

It should only REQUIRE one AV to take out a tank (with tactics)
AV teamwork should make killing Tanks easier

You skipped the post, you get a 1 star battle rating and no items.

I mean imagine a squad of three AVers with the following setup of weapons I'd like to see.
Webifier Weapon that when fired (like a laser) can reduce the movment speed of a tank to a slow crawl, stupidly slow.
A weapon that can be thrown that like an AV grenade, seeks the target and locks up the turrets of the vehicle, very slow rotation speed, massive overheat when firing weapon and possibly other things, debuff lasts for let's say 10 seconds.
A Forge Gunner.

I hear ya on the OP AV of the past and agree it was OP.

In the above example you are still drawing 3 v 1 and even still it is more like 3 v 5 if the tanker is running with a full squad of support.

Now if one foot soldier could carry all the above gear and solo a solo driver then sure.

It wasn't an example of 3v1 only, It was aimed at showing what teamwork would achieve, it would be that easy with three people, however I do believe there should be numerous devices, mines that can do the job of a weapon that is focused on slowing a vehicle down for example, place those in a line, tank rolls over one and gets debuffed for 15 seconds. EMP Grenades that mess up someones screen and messes with their turret equipment. etc

One person can do it, it won't be like previous times with AV but it can be done without massive difficulty, just a little prep, good fitting and not being a moron :D

If you have a setup that forces teamwork, people won't enjoy it, but if you have a setup that encourages teamwork, people will adjust and make it be necessary. You'll hear tankers recommending to newbies not to run by themselves and laughing because someone got popped for being a hero, you'll hear AVers talking about how they need to run in groups and telling someone how stupid they are for complaining that they died to a tanker despite following exactly how someone described how to do it, telling them to practice and get good.

The idea of a 3man tank forces teamwork on a tank player, making his playstyle obsolete, his SP meaningless and his enjoyment from the game is taken away unless he goes and makes friends. If you're going to have a 3man Tank, you need to remove the SP required to play in Vehicles, because I wouldn't be happy if I'm spending 20mil SP and require players to use my stuff. And what do I do when I'm up late and my friends are asleep? I won't be playing DUST that's for sure.

Okay so then why shouldn't it take three persons to run a tank?

one to drive it, one to shoot the gun, one to run mods or ect.....

If it takes team work to take one down why can't it take team work to operate one?

Okay so then why shouldn't it take three persons to run a tank?

one to drive it, one to shoot the gun, one to run mods or ect.....

If it takes team work to take one down why can't it take team work to operate one?

I agree. Although the title of your topic made me think you were against AVers.
I'm hoping CCP implement an Infantry Only mode or option with no vehicles.
Not sure if they've tried it yet.

They haven't tried it, wouldn't be against matches for infantry only if they're just Ambush, Vehicles should be present when it comes to domi and skirm.

Should take 3 people to operate a dropsuit by equivalent logic....if a dropsuit player can kill 3 people it should take 3 people to control that dropsuit.

Erm, did you read my post?

As I said, it shouldn't take three people to kill a tank, there should be a range of options, equipment and weapons that allow different things to happen, Stasis mines and Grenades, EMP Grenades, weapons such as a rifle that fires a beam that slows down a vehicle, ones sort of make a visual wave that hits the tank and slows his turrets down, those are just the tip of things we could ask to be added.

For your idea to work, you need to remove SP from vehicles, make them ISK only things, no SP required and make this an Infantry focused game, AV should cost anything other than ISK either, then refund everyones SP back from Vehicles and AV so we can spec back into Infantry.

You cannot make it so a players entire playstyle can only be played when more players are on. I run pretty much only tank, if I had to wait for my friends to get on and let me play, I'd be on for about an hour a week and if it's requiring SP to play like this, you're having a ******* laugh :)

It should also take three persons in side the tank in order for the tank to move, aim / fire, and reload its weapon.

- Remove one person from the tank and the tank then loses its ability to reload its weapons

- Remove two persons from the tank and it loses its ability to fire its weapon

- Remove three persons...................well you get the point

Team work ^

Ahhhhhh Balance.

TL:Don't Care

If it takes three AVers to take down a tank it should take three persons to run a tank.

Kiss

Keep it simple stupid$

I read it.

New toys like you described would be nice however those toys by themselves would only annoy the tank pilots and could be huge SP sinks for little to no gain.

What kind of WP gains are you going to hand out to the guy that just slowed the tank down but did not destroy it?

If it takes CCP removing all SP's from tanks and AV and making them ISK only to balance then so be it.
TBH it is not that bad of an idea.

I understand that forcing you to have three persons in your tank is not fare but right now I run Logi and have invested no SP's in either tanks or AV so I am forced to hope that someone on my team is running AV or we are just screwed and even then lets say it is just on Proto AVer up against two tanks or even just one, the tanks still win 90% of the time.

Well unless it is just standard tanker someone like me who has no clue about tanking.

Give tankers triple exp and we have a deal.

Erm, did you read my post?

As I said, it shouldn't take three people to kill a tank, there should be a range of options, equipment and weapons that allow different things to happen, Stasis mines and Grenades, EMP Grenades, weapons such as a rifle that fires a beam that slows down a vehicle, ones sort of make a visual wave that hits the tank and slows his turrets down, those are just the tip of things we could ask to be added.

For your idea to work, you need to remove SP from vehicles, make them ISK only things, no SP required and make this an Infantry focused game, AV should cost anything other than ISK either, then refund everyones SP back from Vehicles and AV so we can spec back into Infantry.

You cannot make it so a players entire playstyle can only be played when more players are on. I run pretty much only tank, if I had to wait for my friends to get on and let me play, I'd be on for about an hour a week and if it's requiring SP to play like this, you're having a ******* laugh :)

Just because there aren't 3 people inside the HAV, doesn't mean the Pilot isn't using teamwork.

Your squad is much better off outside your HAV, because they can take out AVers that are camped in areas a HAV cant reach.