You sir were calling for a flame war with that title weren't you?

makes sense, i suppose.

or you could make tanks only effective against other vehicles, where it would be very hard to kill infantry, but still possible and vice versa.

In all honesty, you AV guys kind of deserve this after many months of completely dominating tanks into the ground. It should take 2-3 swarm launchers to down a tank, because using a swarm launcher is 2-3x easier than using a tank. That is balance.

Should take 3 people to operate a dropsuit by equivalent logic....if a dropsuit player can kill 3 people it should take 3 people to control that dropsuit.

Give tankers triple exp and we have a deal.

Forced teamwork is not fun. It's okay reward players who use teamwork, but to force them is a bad game mechanic. Someone will fall short of their duty (or even fail to show up at all).

Doesnt matter because thats still causing a balence issue if it takes 3 guys to kill 1 guy there is issue, it not about tanks supporting a fireteam its bout making a tank require the same amount of people to kill as it does operate so we have 3 choices.

1: nerf the tanks tanking ability so one guy can kill it.
2: Rebalence large turrets to be AV rather than Anti infantry like the blaster so that the solo tank is now a AV and supression platform new role that is not more useful than 1 unit, to be effective against infantry you must have gunners therefore creating a AV v V balence at a 2 or 3 vrs 2 or 3
3: As op stated make it so it requires 2 or 3 people to operate said tank this is by far the best balenced as option 2 leaves proper tankers that want to fully crew them selfs at a weakness to solo tanks.

Most infantry want option 1 as its a quick fix and favors them, anyone who actually wants balence and more depth in the game wants option 3 the only real issue with it is its not a quick fix and would take time to implement correctly as it involves tanks being a coop vehicle which it is not at the moment.

Stupid sales, I've sat through that presentation one too many times

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Was in a two-man squad and called in 3 OBs. How? With a tank of course

If it took 3 swarms to stop a tank then they would be easy mode. I've noticed that players are talking more about scouts (wow) and tanks then weapons. Why? Because tanks are harder to destroy and scouts are on the verge of being a viable class.

`Sigh. Oh well. I suppose all we can do is sit back and see what happens.

*pulls out scanner to find another good thread*

Yesterday, I was watching my roommate 3-4 shot many tanks and dropships by himself with his forge gun. It's possible to solo a vehicle, as it should be with heavy weaponry.

Plasma cannons and swarm launchers should be a sidearm or equipment slot items to increase accessibility of AV weaponry for non-heavy suits.

This kind of thing has been suggested fairly often, but solo tankers want to solo tank, and solo tankers feel they should stomp infantry because :tank:

My personal favourite approach is for tanks to be fairly weak by default, but if there are three players in one then the tank owner can enable "crew mode" at which point the driver gets the front small turret, the gunner gets the large turret (and also a limited field of view) and the top gunner (commander) gets the external view but is the only one who can activate modules.

In "crew mode" the tank gets significant bonuses to EHP and speed, making it worth at least 3, probably 4 or 5, infantry.

I mean imagine a squad of three AVers with the following setup of weapons I'd like to see.
Webifier Weapon that when fired (like a laser) can reduce the movment speed of a tank to a slow crawl, stupidly slow.
A weapon that can be thrown that like an AV grenade, seeks the target and locks up the turrets of the vehicle, very slow rotation speed, massive overheat when firing weapon and possibly other things, debuff lasts for let's say 10 seconds.
A Forge Gunner.

It wasn't an example of 3v1 only, It was aimed at showing what teamwork would achieve, it would be that easy with three people, however I do believe there should be numerous devices, mines that can do the job of a weapon that is focused on slowing a vehicle down for example, place those in a line, tank rolls over one and gets debuffed for 15 seconds. EMP Grenades that mess up someones screen and messes with their turret equipment. etc

One person can do it, it won't be like previous times with AV but it can be done without massive difficulty, just a little prep, good fitting and not being a moron :D

If you have a setup that forces teamwork, people won't enjoy it, but if you have a setup that encourages teamwork, people will adjust and make it be necessary. You'll hear tankers recommending to newbies not to run by themselves and laughing because someone got popped for being a hero, you'll hear AVers talking about how they need to run in groups and telling someone how stupid they are for complaining that they died to a tanker despite following exactly how someone described how to do it, telling them to practice and get good.

The idea of a 3man tank forces teamwork on a tank player, making his playstyle obsolete, his SP meaningless and his enjoyment from the game is taken away unless he goes and makes friends. If you're going to have a 3man Tank, you need to remove the SP required to play in Vehicles, because I wouldn't be happy if I'm spending 20mil SP and require players to use my stuff. And what do I do when I'm up late and my friends are asleep? I won't be playing DUST that's for sure.

They haven't tried it, wouldn't be against matches for infantry only if they're just Ambush, Vehicles should be present when it comes to domi and skirm.

Erm, did you read my post?

As I said, it shouldn't take three people to kill a tank, there should be a range of options, equipment and weapons that allow different things to happen, Stasis mines and Grenades, EMP Grenades, weapons such as a rifle that fires a beam that slows down a vehicle, ones sort of make a visual wave that hits the tank and slows his turrets down, those are just the tip of things we could ask to be added.

For your idea to work, you need to remove SP from vehicles, make them ISK only things, no SP required and make this an Infantry focused game, AV should cost anything other than ISK either, then refund everyones SP back from Vehicles and AV so we can spec back into Infantry.

You cannot make it so a players entire playstyle can only be played when more players are on. I run pretty much only tank, if I had to wait for my friends to get on and let me play, I'd be on for about an hour a week and if it's requiring SP to play like this, you're having a ******* laugh :)

okay, I've been avoiding this post like the plague but I do have one question.

what does the reloader do? does he just sit there enjoying the view pressing one button on occasion? are you so desperate to make it 3 people instead of 2 that you made up a nonsense position that has no purpose just to shove another person in the tank?

I would not seperate the driver from the turret. Only one person buys the tank, so that one person should be able to use it. I would rather reduce the effectiveness of the tank if it will not or can not get two gunners. There's nothing wrong with a solo operated HAV. But it should be measurably weaker than a crew operated HAV.

My proposal:
1. Slightly increase the effectivity of small turrets against infantry. We need people to want to crew a tank.
2. Slightly decrease the effectivity of large turrets against infantry. We want tankers to want a crew.
3. Reduce the capabilities of a tank without the crew. I've suggested in the past to give a -10% rate of fire and a -20% scan radius for each unoccupied seat. So the tank is slightly weaker and blind without his crew. I think this would match a quasi-reality as the crew could help load the main turret as well as scan the battlefield.

In the end you still have a tank that is formidable with a solo operator. But, with a crew, it's a war machine deserving AV teamwork to take down.

A loader would be a bad solution as it is outdated even by todays standards, the best option for seat 3 if there is a need for one is commander who is essentially in charge of intel with access to scanners and defensive capabilities and is located in top small turret. There may not be a need for seat 3 but in my opinion this would be the most usefull one. The 2 seat option would be driver and main gunner which would now be a AV weapon in a ideal world.