If you can magically solve how Me selling Item X in station A magically appears in Station B where buyer Z in eve then we'd have market already... well that and UI work for console, eve market is something not for the faint of heart of a pure ds3 controller.

We're not talking Eve. We're talking about Dust and market inclusive only to Dust.

The novelty of Eve involvement wore off around the same time Dust got its official *release*. There is no eve integration with the exception of extremely poor orbital strikes. Nothing.

No PVE is a reason this game is a write off to begin with, there is no market which is pretty terrible, there is lacklustre introduction to the eve universe through the Dust experience which is damn appalling.

New players are introduced to this game chiefly through the use of free to play id imagine, as a player of eve for over 10 years now i can only shake my head at how impossible it is for a new player to link these 2 games together.

The academy is a joke, we all know this, CCP should at least give some flush introduction videos about what the 4 playable races are all about and then put them in a suitable racial academy until they earn like 5m SP, might stop the current iteration of FW being a total cluster fail.

Just SMDH.

There's a lot of non-trivial components to that solution, which is why we don't have it yet.

Yes, you could assume a huge cache of every possible weapon, dropsuit, vehicle, and module on the war barge, but how does that get onto the battlefield when I walk out of a CRU or change fits at a SD?

It isn't really digital though, because when we enter a battle on the eve side we're still in the same solar system we've always been in. You can tell by looking at your local channel - it never changes. When we die in battle things are removed from the items in our hangar in the solar system we're in.

Problem is, we're not all in the same solar system. When we trade the items will have to move. This was actually in the patch notes for something like uprising 1.1 or something like that...a long time ago.

That is exactly what I'm saying. If I fly in Eve to the solar system you're in when you talk in local, I can still see you there when you deploy into a battle. And I can talk to you as if you're still there. We're part of New Eden now but they haven't worked out how we're going to move around without space ships, so they kludged it by making us stay in one system all the time. The battles don't happen on the same server as Eve so it works from a technical perspective.

It's confusing and not the way you would expect it to be, but it gets the job done.

I can explain that quite simply:

Everything we own is digital.


We clone jump to a battle half the galaxy away and produce our weapons and modules out of nanites based on our digital ownership (BPO or BPC). Our gear doesn't magically appear on planet from some central depot.

So a player market is simply a digital market place. I put up a BPC for sale and you buy it. You wire me your ISK and I wire you my BPC. Simple.

Updating FW to include an LP store is a whole helluva lot easier than the player-to-player market.


Two new weapons are easier to roll out and test than a dozen new dropsuits.


Pilot suits would just add another layer to vehicle balancing, something CCP probably doesn't want to have to account for right now. As far as adding more vehicles, why would they release MORE vehicles when the vehicles they have now are not working as intended.


... okay yeah, this is stupid. OBs should probably cost another 500 - 750 WPs. Fair enough.

Most of the above is just common sense. If you were a dev, why would/wouldn't you do the things CCP has done. It's in their best interests to make the game balanced and try to keep us happy.

... for some reason they don't like talking to us about what they want to do in the future, but I guess that is their prerogative.

I assume the CRUs operate similarly to uplinks. Otherwise, there is no possible explanation for it being able to spew out all the mercs it does over the course of a match.

SD is harder to explain.


However, if we are able to create all of our gear using nanites, manufacturing becomes trivial. What are the Eve pilots going to produce? Nanites? Then how do they get the BPCs for our gear? Exchange a certain amount of nanites for a BPC? Then why bother with BPCs? Why not just sell nanite credits? Replace the entire market system with a nanite market so you only stock up on nanites and pay a nanite price for your gear as you spawn.

Yes we are in the same place when you fly in because we clone jumped there.

Then when you fly in to the next battle several systems away we are there because we clone jumped.

The thing is we can't take physical gear with us when we jump.

I assume the CRUs operate similarly to uplinks. Otherwise, there is no possible explanation for it being able to spew out all the mercs it does over the course of a match.

SD is harder to explain.


However, if we are able to create all of our gear using nanites, manufacturing becomes trivial. What are the Eve pilots going to produce? Nanites? Then how do they get the BPCs for our gear? Exchange a certain amount of nanites for a BPC? Then why bother with BPCs? Why not just sell nanite credits? Replace the entire market system with a nanite market so you only stock up on nanites and pay a nanite price for your gear as you spawn.

All of the real players will be on Destiny soon enough and the rest of you can wallow in this filth.

You're not getting it. On Tranquility, the server "we" are on...where we talk and everything...we are always in one location. We affect the battles in other systems but in the MMO side of things, where the economy is at, we never appear there. If I flew to a system you were fighting in I couldn't talk to you because you're not actually there. It's a quick hack to make the Eve / Dust integration work when things are only partially implemented.

Some day we will actually move around in New Eden and Dust will be the MMOFPS it has always meant to be. Until then our bodies in-game are locked into a single station in highsec and never move. There were patch notes ages ago that mentioned our gear now being aware of location, about the time that we merged with the live Eve server...which means our gear is in a physical location in Eve the same way that our characters are.

The server doesn't need to "take gear with you" when you go to a battle right now, it just deducts it from your inventory as needed. The whole thing is a lot more complex than you seem capable of realizing.

I'll repeat - Don't confuse lore explanations for how things work with the real mechanics in the code that actually make things work.

That idea fails when you consider salvage. How do I sell or trade salvage if everything we own is just "digital" when we "travel" in your scheme?

NOPE, gotta have the physical aspect at some point and CCP needs to fully integrate that soonGäó or things will get even more kludgey than they are now.

Updating FW to include an LP store is a whole helluva lot easier than the player-to-player market.


Two new weapons are easier to roll out and test than a dozen new dropsuits.


Pilot suits would just add another layer to vehicle balancing, something CCP probably doesn't want to have to account for right now. As far as adding more vehicles, why would they release MORE vehicles when the vehicles they have now are not working as intended.


... okay yeah, this is stupid. OBs should probably cost another 500 - 750 WPs. Fair enough.

Most of the above is just common sense. If you were a dev, why would/wouldn't you do the things CCP has done. It's in their best interests to make the game balanced and try to keep us happy.

... for some reason they don't like talking to us about what they want to do in the future, but I guess that is their prerogative.

If you can magically solve how Me selling Item X in station A magically appears in Station B where buyer Z in eve then we'd have market already... well that and UI work for console, eve market is something not for the faint of heart of a pure ds3 controller.

Everyone talks about the EVE to DUST market as if anyone in DUST has anything to sell anyone in EVE, and as if anyone in EVE would bother selling anything to anyone in DUST for prices that would be affordable for anyone in DUST

Basically, it's a pipe dream that's very very far off because it has no purpose.

We just need to be able to sell stuff to each other, and forget about EVE pilots.

I'm just wondering if someone at CCP has been looking at the list of priorities upside down.

LP Store before P2P Market?
Rifle parity before Dropsuit parity?
Vehicle/AV balance (attempted) without the full line of vehicles or Pilot suits (if they are still coming) ?
Restructuring Orbital/Precision/Tactical Strikes, but still using the same 2500 WP as when squads were only 4 players, and fewer ways to gain WP?

Is there any form of management there or do you guys just implement whatever you want, whenever you want without any rhyme or reason?
I would really like to know the reasoning there.
Make it make sense to me/us.

Teleporting isn't really lore breaking. Capsuleers do it all the time, it's called clone jumping. You request a medical clone (respawn point) be set up at your destination and commit suicide. This is why the voice on the barge asks us to not commit suicide in public areas.

As for why the market has to be tied to Eve to begin to use it? Everything we own is already tied to Eve, and the market has to work with that. They could come up with some utterly terrible hack to get around it, but then they have to rip it all out and rebuild from scratch when the economic integration starts. That's a recipe for disaster.