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John Demonsbane
Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics
League of Infamy
754
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Posted - 2013.12.20 16:45:00 -
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Vile Heathen wrote:Though I do agree that griefing sucks, by having Joe exploit it as much as possible, it's getting a discussion going. CCP will now have to do something about it.
From the times I've played with Joe, especially the closed beta corp matches, I would suggest he is a man of science, always trying to experiment and test the limits of Dust 514.
Also, these tears are hilarious.
Also also, griefing is hurting FW a lot less than the fact that 90% of corps are choosing the side of Gallente over Caldari and at least 99% are choosing Minmatar over Amarr, because you're all terrible role players. Try playing an Amarr contact solo and tell me griefing is ruining FW.
You must be trolling, because that's a ludicrous statement. One, good luck finding better RP on any side than the Amarr. Kirk for Gallente and a few SVER guys for minmatar and....?
Two, griefing is EXACTLY what is killing FW. (Well that and the overly aggressive bans we had in the beginning). I'm skeptical that you have actually played an Amarr FW solo, because if you had, you would immediately reject any suggestion that griefing is not a problem. This isn't QQ, it's simple math:
I'll be happy to provide pics if you don't believe me, but I've run probably 10 Amarr FW battles solo and not one time were there not at least 4 players with multiple deaths and 0 WP. In several matches there have been as many as 8 people with 0 WP. Mind you, this is not playing stacked AE squads that would explain losing badly.
Don't bother with the "they're just scrubs" argument, because even at the height of protostomping in 1.5/1.6 you would only have 1, maybe 2 people with 0 WP, everyone would at least hack some meaningless turret or CRU to get a couple points. If the FW end of match board looked like a typical pubstomp with a bunch of people at the bottom going 2/12 with 150-200 WP I might buy the "well Amarr just sux, git gud" talk.
But when battle after battle ends with 2 or 3 people at the top with a decent score, a few with the usual 2/12, 150 WP you would see at #15 in a pub, followed by a sudden dropoff with the entire bottom half of the team having 0 kills and 0 WP combined, something is going on. When even Cubs' OP death squad needs to qsync with another one to win consistently, something is definitely not right. You can't easily explain that away.
"The line between disorder and order lies in logistics" -Sun Tzu
Amarr victor!
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John Demonsbane
Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics
League of Infamy
754
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Posted - 2013.12.20 16:49:00 -
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I vote for a lifetime SP requirement for FW. Can't join unless you have x million lifetime.
It won't stop dedicated griefers, which have their place in New Eden. What it does do is prevent people from making infinite numbers of alts just to grief without expending any real effort or incurring any risk. They don't even have to risk their KDR, as little as that might mean.
"The line between disorder and order lies in logistics" -Sun Tzu
Amarr victor!
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abarkrishna
WarRavens
218
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Posted - 2013.12.21 10:06:00 -
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They are doing it because caldari do not have a chance of winning any other way. Let them use their scrub tactics. Ill still win and get my LP
No you kill this blueberry hacking the CRU we are camping. I already killed the last 2.
When will they learn!
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Dagger-Two
Gespenster Kompanie
187
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Posted - 2013.12.24 15:54:00 -
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You know, as much as all the TEST-icles love to say its part of the game: why exactly would the side you're on allow you to keep depleting their clones?
Someone up above would just say 'that guy is screwing us over, yank him from the battle'. And thats what they would do. You're fighting for a faction, not your own corp. RP wise, they have complete control over who is on the battlefield. |
Ghermard-ol Dizeriois
Maphia Clan Corporation
28
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Posted - 2013.12.24 17:35:00 -
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Suicide should be counted as FF, simply as that.
4 deaths and you're out.
/problem
If you're an hacker, a cheater o a glitcher, you deserve death. In real life.
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WHATHE FU- BOOOOM
Professional Griefers
0
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Posted - 2013.12.25 00:03:00 -
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But I thought L2 was sprint not my fault I died 40 times. |
Vava BOOM
Professional Griefers
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Posted - 2013.12.25 06:35:00 -
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WHATHE FU- BOOOOM wrote:But I thought L2 was sprint not my fault I died 40 times.
You mean it isn't!? I could have sworn it was. |
Jadek Menaheim
Xer Cloud Consortium
914
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Posted - 2013.12.25 09:18:00 -
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WHATHE FU- BOOOOM wrote:But I thought L2 was sprint not my fault I died 40 times.
I guess that my sprint speed was so fast that I simply ran into my own nova knives. I'm sorry. I'll request a bug support ticket on the matter.
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Jack Boost
Zarena Family
293
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Posted - 2014.01.04 17:33:00 -
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Just add suicide - dmg as FF dmg. And all will be fixed. |
GVGMODE
94
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Posted - 2014.01.04 17:53:00 -
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IP and MAC ban from faction warfare |
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Jaed D'jaegweir
Kirkinen Risk Control
Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2014.01.04 19:00:00 -
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Aikuchi Tomaru wrote:Chesty Ranger wrote:Factional warfare is being sabotage by having characters committing suicide continuous w/o any consequences.. Example in this video we see members of a corp named factional warfare army who did nothing but spawn on uplinks and suicide . This happen in the caldari side. In the rest of the video i join a fight and demonstrate how they do it. Hope this gets a easy fix. Thanks! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UyhjKuQ3XPw&feature=youtu.be Nothing to be fixed here. Welcome to New Eden. I also doub't you can fix something like this. How should you be able to? Kick people because they suicide? Yeah. Any fix would probably backfire.
the commit suicide could be remove to fix it. what purpose does it have?
"We do not live in a world of reality. We live in a world of perceptions." -Gerald Simmons
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Sylwester Dziewiecki
Interregnum.
225
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Posted - 2014.01.04 22:45:00 -
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Chesty Ranger wrote:Factional warfare is being sabotage by having characters committing suicide continuous w/o any consequences.. Example in this video we see members of a corp named factional warfare army who did nothing but spawn on uplinks and suicide . This happen in the caldari side. In the rest of the video i join a fight and demonstrate how they do it. Hope this gets a easy fix. Thanks! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UyhjKuQ3XPw&feature=youtu.be
Caldari people are fanatics.
I'm here since may 2012, my EVE alter ego is Nosum Hseebnrido.
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Timothy Reaper
WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL
Top Men.
708
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Posted - 2014.01.05 05:28:00 -
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Jaed D'jaegweir wrote: the commit suicide could be remove to fix it. what purpose does it have?
You've never got stuck in the terrain, have you?
Never argue with stupid people, they will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience.
Mark Twain
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Zeylon Rho
Subdreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
3105
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Posted - 2014.01.05 20:47:00 -
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Timothy Reaper wrote:Jaed D'jaegweir wrote: the commit suicide could be remove to fix it. what purpose does it have? You've never got stuck in the terrain, have you?
Yeah, if you check the map forums, there are still spots in maps where people get consistently stuck and it hasn't been fixed yet. Suicide or leaving the match are the only options there. As a side note, removing the suicide button wouldn't keep people from holding a grenade till it blows.
On the subject of the OP though, I thought there was supposed to be a measure in FW to temporarily "ban" players with poor faction standing or people getting kicked for hurting the team from being able to play for a certain faction? Did that not make it into the final FW implementation?
Join my cult.
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Arx Ardashir
Imperium Aeternum
356
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Posted - 2014.01.10 12:39:00 -
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Griefing is part of New Eden. However, it should come at a cost. Griefing at no cost is no good.
I don't support the removal of Starter Fits, though, so there needs to be another solution. Plus, just having 1 dropsuit BPO and 1 weapon BPO would make a no cost suicide fit as well.
Alts for DUST 514 are infinite and free, so the security status idea, while it has it's merits for certain applications, won't help here.
The only fix I can think of is a kick after so many suicides. That doesn't mean that's the perfect solution, but it's all I can think of at the moment.
Griefing should be allowed, but griefing that has such a large effect shouldn't cost nothing but 5 minutes of someone's time.
Bumping in EVE is relatively harmless, and as such costs nothing. Suicide ganking can be extremely harmful, and as such costs the griefer's ship, how little it may end up costsing (but the cost is usually spread out among multiple people if that's the case).
"Clone griefing" can cost a whole team it, so it should at least be on par with the cost of a suicide smartbombing battleship (comparitively speaking).
TL;DR - Griefing is good, free griefing is bad.
Amarr HAV Speculation
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Mountain Doody
DUST University
Ivy League
26
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Posted - 2014.01.18 18:03:00 -
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simple
add a time delay to each suicide, so you can do it once instantly, then you must wait one minute for the second death, then two additional minutes till the third death... |
TunRa
NEW OMENS
378
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Posted - 2014.01.18 23:53:00 -
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This is NEW EDEN, sabotage is part of this universe just like AWOXING. HTFU!
Thanks CCP Foxfour
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TRUe MINMATAR power
FACTION WARFARE ARMY
3
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Posted - 2014.01.19 15:39:00 -
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Trololololololololololololo!
Haha I'm invincible! SNIPE Fuuuuuuuuu
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Ephraim Ghanlai
cobra connection
Public Disorder.
8
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Posted - 2014.01.23 06:27:00 -
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Aikuchi Tomaru wrote:Chesty Ranger wrote:Factional warfare is being sabotage by having characters committing suicide continuous w/o any consequences.. Example in this video we see members of a corp named factional warfare army who did nothing but spawn on uplinks and suicide . This happen in the caldari side. In the rest of the video i join a fight and demonstrate how they do it. Hope this gets a easy fix. Thanks! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UyhjKuQ3XPw&feature=youtu.be Nothing to be fixed here. Welcome to New Eden. I also doub't you can fix something like this. How should you be able to? Kick people because they suicide? Yeah. Any fix would probably backfire.
Treat suicides just like friendly fire, but only half as bad. Sometimes some shidiot threw a link where it doesn't belong and you have to suicide to get out. I'd hate to see someone get kicked because they were put in a situation where they had to choose between being stuck in a box or suiciding to get back in the battle.
Even if mass suiciders do get kicked, how long before these douches start chucking links under everything so YOU have to commit suicide in order to get back in the fight?
I think we should compile a list of these sandbaggers for CCP to first give warning to and then delete. Or give us a collective kick function. If over half the team votes for a kick, say goodbye.
President of the, Save-a-Heavy, movement.
Leader of the, Anti-Vehicle Forces.
Keeper of the, Forge Gun of Destiny.
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