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OZAROW
WarRavens League of Infamy
1097
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Posted - 2013.12.17 00:35:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:NO.
Cloaks should and must be available to anyone.
Just that scouts (specifically, not lights) would be most unbothered to fit it.
Sandboxing.
Secondly, the scout class MUST be viable to a degree without the cloak. Then fix scouts before you bring this scout killer in. 6 slots 2 equip Range 20 m Profile 40 Percision 40 Cloak built into scout suit if it's a equip slot because: A proto gallente scout with cloak in equip cant find anyone under 30 db with a complex percision mod A proto min can't fit JACK on a suit an loses two high for two percision mods, makes adv useless an a proto with 198 shield!
So think about how gimped that is before you say NO! |
Quil Evrything
Triple Terrors
552
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Posted - 2013.12.17 00:36:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:NO.
Cloaks should and must be available to anyone.
?"Must"?? You dont get to just throw claims like that without justification. particularly as a CPM. You have no justification for your "must" claim.
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Bethhy
Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance
473
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Posted - 2013.12.17 00:38:00 -
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And when the scout comes out of cloak his Auto Aim already locked.... resistance is futile? |
Quil Evrything
Triple Terrors
555
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Posted - 2013.12.17 00:41:00 -
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knight of 6 wrote:(Quil Evrything and others) wrote: Cool. I'd like to put a forge gun on my scout. Can we get this moving to land right about the time the cloak does?
it makes sense that a heavy frame can fit weapons that would be too large for smaller frames
I agree with you. It makes no sense to be able to fit a forge gun on a scout. JUST LIKE IT MAKES NO SENSE TO BE ABLE TO FIT A CLOAK ON A HEAVY. Or anything other than a suit specifically designed to be easily cloaked. They have a word for that.. I think its a "scout".
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J0hlss0n
Molon Labe. Public Disorder.
67
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Posted - 2013.12.17 00:43:00 -
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Quil Evrything wrote:JUST LIKE IT MAKES NO SENSE TO BE ABLE TO FIT A CLOAK ON A HEAVY.
You do know that heavies dont have a equipment slot, right? So I dont think you need to worry about cloaked heavies. |
Kira Takizawa
2Shitz 1Giggle
71
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Posted - 2013.12.17 00:44:00 -
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Quil Evrything wrote:knight of 6 wrote:(Quil Evrything and others) wrote: Cool. I'd like to put a forge gun on my scout. Can we get this moving to land right about the time the cloak does?
it makes sense that a heavy frame can fit weapons that would be too large for smaller frames I agree with you. It makes no sense to be able to fit a forge gun on a scout. JUST LIKE IT MAKES NO SENSE TO BE ABLE TO FIT A CLOAK ON A HEAVY.Or anything other than a suit specifically designed to be easily cloaked. They have a word for that.. I think its a "scout". Just hope CCP don't break the cloak and make it abusable like the scanners :( |
Solitar Greywatch
D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
61
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Posted - 2013.12.17 00:48:00 -
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Sinboto Simmons wrote:Someone had to say it: cloaks should be scout only, for fucks sake we can't have one bloody thing to ourselves?
Mark my words that this module will be abused heavily by non scout players, just watch it happen. What about the sad heavy? :( |
Llast 326
An Arkhos
859
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Posted - 2013.12.17 00:51:00 -
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Kira Takizawa wrote:Quil Evrything wrote:knight of 6 wrote:(Quil Evrything and others) wrote: Cool. I'd like to put a forge gun on my scout. Can we get this moving to land right about the time the cloak does?
it makes sense that a heavy frame can fit weapons that would be too large for smaller frames I agree with you. It makes no sense to be able to fit a forge gun on a scout. JUST LIKE IT MAKES NO SENSE TO BE ABLE TO FIT A CLOAK ON A HEAVY.Or anything other than a suit specifically designed to be easily cloaked. They have a word for that.. I think its a "scout". Just hope CCP don't break the cloak and make it abusable like the scanners :( Active Time > Cool Down
KRRROOOOOOM
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Galvan Nized
Deep Space Republic
396
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Posted - 2013.12.17 00:52:00 -
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I like cloaks in the grenade slot. Using the equipment wheel is stupidly cumbersome while the nade slot already has easy activation.
Tie it to stamina or timer or whatever. Needs massive requirements for non-scouts.
Putting it in the grenade slot gives easy activation, avoids the logi bonus to equipment, still allows access to the equipment wheel without breaking cloak (so you don't HAVE to add scout type II suits back), and has a distinct negative for use (no grenades). |
Kira Takizawa
2Shitz 1Giggle
71
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Posted - 2013.12.17 00:56:00 -
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Llast 326 wrote:Kira Takizawa wrote:Quil Evrything wrote:knight of 6 wrote:(Quil Evrything and others) wrote: Cool. I'd like to put a forge gun on my scout. Can we get this moving to land right about the time the cloak does?
it makes sense that a heavy frame can fit weapons that would be too large for smaller frames I agree with you. It makes no sense to be able to fit a forge gun on a scout. JUST LIKE IT MAKES NO SENSE TO BE ABLE TO FIT A CLOAK ON A HEAVY.Or anything other than a suit specifically designed to be easily cloaked. They have a word for that.. I think its a "scout". Just hope CCP don't break the cloak and make it abusable like the scanners :( Active Time > Cool Down You know CCP can't do anything right.. |
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Quil Evrything
Triple Terrors
556
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Posted - 2013.12.17 02:04:00 -
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Galvan Nized wrote: still allows access to the equipment wheel without breaking cloak (so you don't HAVE to add scout type II suits back),
I'd rather see a scout type II suit
Galvan Nized wrote: and has a distinct negative for use (no grenades). I almost never use grenades. Pistols, knives, and REs usually.
(although lately, AR as well. sigh)
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Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
2177
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Posted - 2013.12.17 02:09:00 -
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J0hlss0n wrote:Quil Evrything wrote:JUST LIKE IT MAKES NO SENSE TO BE ABLE TO FIT A CLOAK ON A HEAVY. You do know that heavies dont have a equipment slot, right? So I dont think you need to worry about cloaked heavies. Commandos have an equipment slot.
Now be afraid. Be very afraid
As if people actually use the Commando
DUST 514 just went full COD.
Never go full COD.
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Solitar Greywatch
D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
63
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Posted - 2013.12.17 02:10:00 -
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Atiim wrote:J0hlss0n wrote:Quil Evrything wrote:JUST LIKE IT MAKES NO SENSE TO BE ABLE TO FIT A CLOAK ON A HEAVY. You do know that heavies dont have a equipment slot, right? So I dont think you need to worry about cloaked heavies. Commandos have an equipment slot. Now be afraid. Be very afraid I'm so scared I'm shaking... #2spooky4me As if people actually use the Commando
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Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
2177
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Posted - 2013.12.17 02:19:00 -
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Sinboto Simmons wrote: I have no problem with that, and I don't want them to be nothing but medics, my personal problem comes in when they do nothing but kill, no reps, no needles, no ammo, nothing but slaying, and doing it better then any other class too, at that point they are no longer a support class.
A medic that outperforms every other class, do you think that's ok?
Better at assaulting then an assault, faster then a scout, more survival than a heavy, they can do all of this.
All the combat, none of the medic.
I consider that about as much a problem as I do the vehicles in 1.7.
But you can be those things with a logistics suit; but you can't be the very best, nor can you do them all at the same time.
Except Assaults. They are the best assault suit in the game. Though I don't believe there is an incentive to skill into Assaults when I already have an ADV Assault Frame with the exact same specs as the racial variant (bar the bonus)
I wish my Minmatar Logistics truly was faster than a Scout. I must truly be doing something wrong because my scout fit is WAY faster than my Minmatar Scout.
I don't even understand the whole "killer bee" role FoTM players play. With my Ishukone Hives and Core Repair Tool, I can easily score more WP than my entire squad combined. (Well not really, but still). Being A Killer Bee is most likely the most pointless and dumbest thing in this entire game. I just can't comprehend as to why people even do it.
DUST 514 just went full COD.
Never go full COD.
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Sinboto Simmons
SVER True Blood Public Disorder.
3231
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Posted - 2013.12.17 02:20:00 -
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Kira Takizawa wrote:Sinboto Simmons wrote:Someone had to say it: cloaks should be scout only, for fucks sake we can't have one bloody thing to ourselves?
Mark my words that this module will be abused heavily by non scout players, just watch it happen. And you think scouts won't abuse them..? I'm a scout as well before you say "if you aren't ___ don't say anything" 1: I'm not likely to say that.
2: How do you abuse something that's made for your class?
Sinboto - The True Blood Minja
Forum Warrior level 3
STB-Infantry (Demolition)
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Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
2178
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Posted - 2013.12.17 02:30:00 -
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Sinboto Simmons wrote:1: I'm not likely to say that. 2: How do you abuse something that's made for your class? I don't know.
Why not ask the Lolgistics?
Also, I can see it now. People who weren't scouts before will switch to scouts just so they can abuse the cloak ability.
How can the cloak ability itself be abused?
I would be able to sneak behind EVERYONE shotgunning EVERYONE with little to no effort nor resistance.
I'm calling it now. Cloaks will be the one thing that makes Scouts/Light Frames OP. I never thought I'd say this, but I actually expect the Scout class to be the next Flaylock Pistol.
DUST 514 just went full COD.
Never go full COD.
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True Adamance
Scions of Athra
4951
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Posted - 2013.12.17 02:35:00 -
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Sinboto Simmons wrote:Someone had to say it: cloaks should be scout only, for fucks sake we can't have one bloody thing to ourselves?
Mark my words that this module will be abused heavily by non scout players, just watch it happen.
Well not just for scouts but the only fit where cloaks don't cost you insane PG and CPU requirements.
To a Texan like you, a hero is some type of weird sandwich, not some nut who takes on three Gunlogi.
Reference = ISK
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True Adamance
Scions of Athra
4951
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Posted - 2013.12.17 02:36:00 -
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Atiim wrote:Sinboto Simmons wrote: And you think scouts won't abuse them..? I'm a scout as well before you say "if you aren't ___ don't say anything"
1: I'm not likely to say that. 2: How do you abuse something that's made for your class? I don't know.
Why not ask the Lolgistics?
Also, I can see it now. People who weren't scouts before will switch to scouts just so they can abuse the cloak ability.
How can the cloak ability itself be abused?
I would be able to sneak behind EVERYONE shotgunning EVERYONE with little to no effort nor resistance.
I'm calling it now. Cloaks will be the one thing that makes Scouts/Light Frames OP. I never thought I'd say this, but I actually expect the Scout class to be the next Flaylock Pistol.
[/quote] Technically cloaks aren't made for your class, they are made of any covert ops job....you suit is designed to amplify that aspect....so its technically your suit that defines the class.
To a Texan like you, a hero is some type of weird sandwich, not some nut who takes on three Gunlogi.
Reference = ISK
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Demon Buddah
NECROM0NGERS Covert Intervention
88
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Posted - 2013.12.17 03:30:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:NO.
Cloaks should and must be available to anyone.
Just that scouts (specifically, not lights) would be most unbothered to fit it.
Sandboxing.
Secondly, the scout class MUST be viable to a degree without the cloak. Then let me put an HMG on my scout. Sandboxing huh? How about a forge gun for my scout? Sandboxing huh?
Quote:I'm a dedicated scout (professional ninja knifer here) and I disagree. What do you say to that? I say then your loss, when a logi is cloaked and then kills you over and over don't cry about it. Anyone with sense can see that will happen. Logis are better assault, and can be just as a good a scout, maybe better. Give them a cloak, what's going to happen then? |
Maken Tosch
DUST University Ivy League
5906
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Posted - 2013.12.17 03:37:00 -
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Demon Buddah wrote:Quote:I'm a dedicated scout (professional ninja knifer here) and I disagree. What do you say to that? I say then your loss, when a logi is cloaked and then kills you over and over don't cry about it. Anyone with sense can see that will happen. Logis are better assault, and can be just as a good a scout, maybe better. Give them a cloak, what's going to happen then?
LOL @ Logis finding me.
I'm a scout. Cloaks are Equipment items Profile Dampeners are low-slot items Scouts have built-in bonus for profile dampening CCP Reverant said scouts will get perks for cloak use
Logi won't be able to find me even with a proto scanner in my Scout Gk.0 suit.
So your logi can suck it.
OK, CCP. When are knives finally going to be improved?
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Sgt Buttscratch
1162
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Posted - 2013.12.17 03:49:00 -
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The cloak should be the bonus for hitting level 5 on scout dropsuit. not equipment. Would be pathetic to see a gallente logi rocking dmg mods, heavy armor, proto weaps, triage hives and be invisible....
Games is currently all over the ******* map, everyone is set to headless chicken mode, Scouts laugh more than anyone, logi's are whatever they want to be, assault runs scared and heavies fill in for the asault using light assault weapons.
I stick my weiner in two buns and and then give it the gas
Sour cream from my spleen into Levi jeans
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Tectonic Fusion
734
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Posted - 2013.12.17 03:50:00 -
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Thor Odinson42 wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:Nope, they should be for everyone, just really hard to fit. Scouts would be the only ones to be able to fit them easily. This allows people to make specialized, though gimped fits to make use of cloak, where scouts are given the freedom to fit as they please (assuming better fitting capabilities for scouts, since they're just god awful right now)
Also scouts will have reduced motion blur when moving, making them mobile while cloaked, unlike others who will be pretty obvious to attentive players. Give it a really high CPU usage then give the scout suits a 90% cloak CPU fitting reduction bonus. Or give scouts the most CPU of all the dropsuits because all the good scout modules are CPU only. Kind of like how you can't really fit heavy modules on a LAV...
Solo Player
Squad status: Locked
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OZAROW
WarRavens League of Infamy
1098
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Posted - 2013.12.17 04:05:00 -
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Yea but good luck finding the logi, 30 db percision , 87 shields an like 160 armor, 8m sprint speed, no armor rep no compact hive, an a cloak in the equip, we ll be weaker than ever! |
HiddenBrother
Days of Ruin
14
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Posted - 2013.12.17 04:11:00 -
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Just an opinion, but only the scout suit should have the ability to cloak itself. Last thing we need are invisible Logi's/Assaults; running about with Combat Rifles. (imo)
Ruin.
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Wurm FOOD
The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine
3
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Posted - 2013.12.17 04:47:00 -
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One day, I will be walking around the map asking myself ''where is everyone?'' when I get my brains blown out through my mouth. I am just waiting for the day when everyone on both teams are invisible, it will be hilarious. |
Ludvig Enraga
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
715
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Posted - 2013.12.17 04:53:00 -
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Agreed. I bet all sorts of tryhards will use cloaks on medium frames. Here is why: you can strip a medium frame of all slots and it will still have as much HP as a tanked scout and will move just about as fast. High CPU penalty on cloaks won't deter them.
Quite honestly, I am fully expecting another CCP blunder when the module is released - it's gonna be completely untested and prone to abuse from the get go.
Oh, sht! I just learned you can make a signature! Thanks, CCP! Forums are getting better!
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Ludvig Enraga
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
715
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Posted - 2013.12.17 04:55:00 -
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HiddenBrother wrote:Just an opinion, but only the scout suit should have the ability to cloak itself. Last thing we need are invisible Logi's/Assaults; running about with Combat Rifles. (imo)
Remnant pretty much said this in the interview that all suits will be able to equip it, it's just that nonscouts will be penalized by CPU cost.
Oh, sht! I just learned you can make a signature! Thanks, CCP! Forums are getting better!
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Ludvig Enraga
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
715
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Posted - 2013.12.17 05:03:00 -
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Atiim wrote:Sinboto Simmons wrote: I have no problem with that, and I don't want them to be nothing but medics, my personal problem comes in when they do nothing but kill, no reps, no needles, no ammo, nothing but slaying, and doing it better then any other class too, at that point they are no longer a support class.
A medic that outperforms every other class, do you think that's ok?
Better at assaulting then an assault, faster then a scout, more survival than a heavy, they can do all of this.
All the combat, none of the medic.
I consider that about as much a problem as I do the vehicles in 1.7. But you can be those things with a logistics suit; but you can't be the very best, nor can you do them all at the same time. Except Assaults. They are the best assault suit in the game. Though I don't believe there is an incentive to skill into Assaults when I already have an ADV Assault Frame with the exact same specs as the racial variant (bar the bonus) I wish my Minmatar Logistics truly was faster than a Scout. I must truly be doing something wrong because my scout fit is WAY faster than my Minmatar Scout. I don't even understand the whole "killer bee" role FoTM players play. With my Ishukone Hives and Core Repair Tool, I can easily score more WP than my entire squad combined. (Well not really, but still). Being A Killer Bee is most likely the most pointless and dumbest thing in this entire game. I just can't comprehend as to why people even do it.
Killer Bee is the only thing that counts in leaderboards. And because PC is broken and there is no market there is no meta besides leaderboards.
Oh, sht! I just learned you can make a signature! Thanks, CCP! Forums are getting better!
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Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
2182
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Posted - 2013.12.17 05:12:00 -
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Ludvig Enraga wrote: Killer Bee is the only thing that counts in leaderboards. And because PC is broken and there is no market there is no meta besides leaderboards.
Well It's a good thing I don't play PC regularly.
It's also a good thing that I don't play TryHard 514. It's nice to have FUN while they "l33ts" stroke their e-peens and chase the never ending FoTM.
Seriously though, I think we are starting to run out of things for the FoTM players to skill into.
DUST 514 just went full COD.
Never go full COD.
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Maken Tosch
DUST University Ivy League
5911
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Posted - 2013.12.17 05:15:00 -
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I guess people are forgetting that active scanners will still be able to pick up most medium frame suits even if the suits are wearing cloaks.
OK, CCP. When are knives finally going to be improved?
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