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Aisha Ctarl Scions of Athra 2241	Posted - 2013.12.16 00:06:00 - [1] - Quote I used to run the advanced scanner on nearly all my suits until one day I realized I was far too reliant on it. I decided to take it off of my templar suit and replace it with the templar uplink. First match in I was a paranoid mess. Something about not knowing where the enemy is at all times really bothered me and made me play far more timidly. Before when I did use the scanner I would scan non-stop. Spin scan, run, wait for recharge, spin scan, run, etc. Once I removed the scanner and truly realized how heavily I relied on it, I came to realize just how much of a crutch the scanner really is. I invite you to try my little experiment to see just how heavily you rely on the scanner - you may have a startling revelation. "The Wrath of God is Immense. His Justice is Swift and Decisive. His Tolerance is Limited." -The Code of Demeanor
Arkena Wyrnspire Turalyon 514 Turalyon Alliance 6278	Posted - 2013.12.16 00:10:00 - [2] - Quote I too am a crutch user. I've started dropping it in favour of remote explosives though. They're great now! ... except in FW. Don't use them in FW. Level 6 Forum Warrior Lenin of the glorious armoured revolution Gallente FW - 'Turalyon'
CrotchGrab 360 Caldari State 557	Posted - 2013.12.16 00:10:00 - [3] - Quote Thanks for being modest and ballsy enough to admit this! I personally think the scanner should be removed, all it does is allow proto-squads to stomp harder and more easily. There's nothing more depressing than knowing you can't flank the enemy team, it completely removes tactics when you know you're lit up like a Christmas tree and now there's a mad rush to see who can get to you and kill you first. It puts new players at an even bigger disadvantage and is just a way for people to get cheap kills and shoot you in the back. I'm not going to use dampeners as I don't see why I should completely change my setup and total HP just to counter one guy spinning round in a circle whilst the rest of the squad are all stacked with health modules. CCP, remove scanners, dampeners and everything related, refund ISK from skillbooks and SP and be done with it. Start introducing some tactics to this game. DUST isn't going to be any more than a casual game whilst stuff like this still exists.
Chunky Munkey Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 2656	Posted - 2013.12.16 00:11:00 - [4] - Quote The irony is that CCP's intention was probably to encourage as much squad play as possible. Instead nanohives were replaced by scanners as the No1 lone wolf equipment item. No.
ZeHealingHurts HurtingHeals Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 661	Posted - 2013.12.16 00:11:00 - [5] - Quote Stopped once I got my advanced drop-uplinks. Wasn't much of a difference. When I had the scanner it was basically "Oh. Look at those bajillion guys in that waves hand general direction. I should avoid that." I can still tell when there's a bunch of mercs grouped up so I can easily avoid that still. EDIT: Actually, I only used them when I was squaded up. As a logi, i'd have a fit with hives and one fit with nothing but D-uplinks (for the beginning of matches) when I wasn't in a squad. That "bajillion guys" thing was for those few times where I somehow ended up using the "REZ, REP, SCAN" fit when I didn't mean to. Usually this was because it was the last I used and I didn't change the fit at the beginning. My logi-code.
1st Lieutenant Tiberius 0uter.Heaven Proficiency V. 668	Posted - 2013.12.16 00:12:00 - [6] - Quote Having an Alt that runs mk.0 Scout with Complex Damps on is a real nice change of pace to my ak.0 (By change of pace i mean zooming around the map :D) The passive scanning help a lot though I must say The Sinwarden
Cpl Foster USMC The Defiants-Team 6 356	Posted - 2013.12.16 00:14:00 - [7] - Quote never used one...never will.... how the hell are some of you isk poor...??...free isk is everywhere.....
Uncle AWOL Protheans The Renegades of the Untold Truth 45	Posted - 2013.12.16 00:14:00 - [8] - Quote I have actually never even held an active scanner I wonder what they look like.
Chunky Munkey Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 2656	Posted - 2013.12.16 00:18:00 - [9] - Quote Cpl Foster USMC wrote: never used one...never will.... charges knives No.
Monkey MAC Lost Millennium 1229	Posted - 2013.12.16 00:20:00 - [10] - Quote My idea on fixing scanners, My goal give a scanner drawbacks, make it more squad oriented than solo gain! 1) Remove Scan Time, Charge Time -Replace with Pulse Interval 2) Tag Data only updates every pulse 3) Tag Data is only available while scanner is equipped 4) As unique buff to Scouts, they can run the scanner with their sidearm on hip-fire only! For a good idea, think of the movement scanners from aliens! Tanks 514 I told you, I bloody well told you. Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior of the Trees Lvl.1

KING CHECKMATE Scions of Athra 3214	Posted - 2013.12.16 00:20:00 - [11] - Quote Aisha Ctarl wrote: I used to run the advanced scanner on nearly all my suits until one day I realized I was far too reliant on it. I decided to take it off of my templar suit and replace it with the templar uplink. First match in I was a paranoid mess. Something about not knowing where the enemy is at all times really bothered me and made me play far more timidly. Before when I did use the scanner I would scan non-stop. Spin scan, run, wait for recharge, spin scan, run, etc. Once I removed the scanner and truly realized how heavily I relied on it, I came to realize just how much of a crutch the scanner really is. I invite you to try my little experiment to see just how heavily you rely on the scanner - you may have a startling revelation. HAHA why? I already know the A.Scanners are Overpowered, i know i depend on them to win,i use them because they are the only true counter to themselves..... AV-TANK BALANCE = https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1612446#post1612446
CrotchGrab 360 Caldari State 558	Posted - 2013.12.16 00:26:00 - [12] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: Aisha Ctarl wrote: I used to run the advanced scanner on nearly all my suits until one day I realized I was far too reliant on it. I decided to take it off of my templar suit and replace it with the templar uplink. First match in I was a paranoid mess. Something about not knowing where the enemy is at all times really bothered me and made me play far more timidly. Before when I did use the scanner I would scan non-stop. Spin scan, run, wait for recharge, spin scan, run, etc. Once I removed the scanner and truly realized how heavily I relied on it, I came to realize just how much of a crutch the scanner really is. I invite you to try my little experiment to see just how heavily you rely on the scanner - you may have a startling revelation. HAHA why? I already know the A.Scanners are Overpowered, i know i depend on them to win,i use them because they are the only true counter to themselves..... this it the thing, if i play DUST again, i'll just HAVE to use one. there's no other option.
jordy mack Ultramarine Corp 55	Posted - 2013.12.16 00:28:00 - [13] - Quote Aww arnt u guys just so nice, I'll be sure to only use UP weapons from now on, and if I come up behind someone I shall anounce myself and only engage if its a fair fight. Are u guys playing with a team? Or do u all just lone wolf every match?
8213 BIG BAD W0LVES 1067	Posted - 2013.12.16 00:30:00 - [14] - Quote No sh-ít, Sherlock! Throw some dampeners on and see how much better you do as well. You can walk up to Nyain San and shoot all of them dead from 3m out.
calisk galern BurgezzE.T.F Public Disorder. 1535	Posted - 2013.12.16 00:32:00 - [15] - Quote I use my gun more then my scanner that's the bigger crutch. I have trouble thinking of the scanner as a crutch bvecause all teh tool I bring to the battle field are useful and I use them all frequently.
KING CHECKMATE Scions of Athra 3216	Posted - 2013.12.16 00:33:00 - [16] - Quote jordy mack wrote: Aww arnt u guys just so nice, I'll be sure to only use UP weapons from now on, and if I come up behind someone I shall anounce myself and only engage if its a fair fight. Are u guys playing with a team? Or do u all just lone wolf every match? I lone wolf pretty much every match. AV-TANK BALANCE = https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1612446#post1612446
KING CHECKMATE Scions of Athra 3216	Posted - 2013.12.16 00:33:00 - [17] - Quote 8213 wrote: No sh-ít, Sherlock! Throw some dampeners on and see how much better you do as well. You can walk up to Nyain San and shoot all of them dead from 3m out. nono, i've done that with 28- db and after 2 or 3 kills they take out a duvolle focused. It doesnt work like that. AV-TANK BALANCE = https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1612446#post1612446
Vicious Minotaur Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 420	Posted - 2013.12.16 00:36:00 - [18] - Quote The only time I use the scanner is when I run a Breach Shotgun scout. Even then, the enemy has scanners and may be able to tell exactly where I am thus nullifying the benefit. Even if they can't scan me, they know I am there. And then, they know to watch their back, especially if they get scanned. reminisces about shotgunning before scanners
Fiddler Galaine Northwind Alliance Dark Taboo 53	Posted - 2013.12.16 00:37:00 - [19] - Quote Scanners were already nerfed in a way - they can't be cancelled any more.
KING CHECKMATE Scions of Athra 3217	Posted - 2013.12.16 00:42:00 - [20] - Quote Fiddler Galaine wrote: Scanners were already nerfed in a way - they can't be cancelled any more. ( -.- ) THAY HAVNT BEEN NERFED. They fixed a glitch. They are still as OP as always. Main reason im so against them is A.Scanners have taken scouts out of the competitive side of Dust514. AV-TANK BALANCE = https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1612446#post1612446

Dengru Fatal Absolution 217	Posted - 2013.12.16 00:43:00 - [21] - Quote I think people's cluessness is also the fault of poor sound design. At the least people's footsteps should be louder and the whooshing noises equipment makes should be lowered (>^_^)><(^.^<)
Operative 1171 Aajli Bragian Order Amarr Empire 843	Posted - 2013.12.16 00:47:00 - [22] - Quote Well, it's not a crutch for a scout/light suit. That is actually what that suit is for. Wish they'd make it a scout suit only tool. Make it worthless with out the bonuses from the scout suit. Do your part. Join the revolution. Sabotage FW. Help this game burn! BURN DUST 2014
Mobius Kaethis Molon Labe. Public Disorder. 1126	Posted - 2013.12.16 00:48:00 - [23] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: Fiddler Galaine wrote: Scanners were already nerfed in a way - they can't be cancelled any more. ( -.- ) THAY HAVNT BEEN NERFED. They fixed a glitch. They are still as OP as always. Main reason im so against them is A.Scanners have taken scouts out of the competitive side of Dust514. True. Seems like CCP knows this though and is planning on providing some CPU/PG incentive for scouts using them and a penalty for the rest of us. At least that is what the interview in the recent dev blog seemed to imply. Fun > Realism
Nestil Seraphim Auxiliaries 94	Posted - 2013.12.16 00:57:00 - [24] - Quote i love farming proto logis that rely soley on their scanners. but need to spec more deeper into dampening skills so i dont need to sacrifice slots on my paper suit.
Absoliav Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 95	Posted - 2013.12.16 02:12:00 - [25] - Quote I agree and disagree with you, I went through the same thing as you when Scanners first came out, but as time passed I've found out what the problem is, we are greedy. The only thing that carries the power of the Scanner are Scouts, no one wants to use Scouts, but they want the perks of using them, so we settle for the scanning abilities of the Scouts without any of the drawbacks. I've been developing new fits designed maximize the use of Scanners and I can easily say, they don't work well for every fit, that's not to say they don't benefit most fits. The whole "crutch" problem isn't with Scanners, it's with the players using the Scanners, if you're using an AR with a Flux than you are wasting it, but no one really cares cause they aren't suffering a penalty for it's misuse. I think if Scanners exposed the user's Scan Profile to it's target's Scan Precision people would be less inclined to over-use them, this would also make Dampening more useful too everyone other than just Scouts, without overshadowing Scouts. An explanation of what I just said: If I scan 4 red dots with my Flux from 80 meters away, these reds have a chance of also seeing me as I would see them, so if my SP (Scan Profile) is 45 and one of the red dots has a S-Precision of 43, he can see me for as long as my Scanner is on him, so the risk in using a Scanner comes from the threat of broadcasting your location.
Absoliav Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 95	Posted - 2013.12.16 02:13:00 - [26] - Quote Mobius Kaethis wrote: KING CHECKMATE wrote: Fiddler Galaine wrote: Scanners were already nerfed in a way - they can't be cancelled any more. ( -.- ) THAY HAVNT BEEN NERFED. They fixed a glitch. They are still as OP as always. Main reason im so against them is A.Scanners have taken scouts out of the competitive side of Dust514. True. Seems like CCP knows this though and is planning on providing some CPU/PG incentive for scouts using them and a penalty for the rest of us. At least that is what the interview in the recent dev blog seemed to imply. They said nothing of a penalty, they only spoke of giving more incentive to using them on Scouts.
KING CHECKMATE Scions of Athra 3221	Posted - 2013.12.16 02:15:00 - [27] - Quote Operative 1171 Aajli wrote: Well, it's not a crutch for a scout/light suit. That is actually what that suit is for. Wish they'd make it a scout suit only tool. Make it worthless with out the bonuses from the scout suit. This is not an original idea. Still the best idea. +1 Aajli. AV-TANK BALANCE = https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1612446#post1612446
KING CHECKMATE Scions of Athra 3221	Posted - 2013.12.16 02:16:00 - [28] - Quote Nestil wrote: i love farming proto logis that rely soley on their scanners. but need to spec more deeper into dampening skills so i dont need to sacrifice slots on my paper suit. WHAT? even at Level 5 scout and Level 5 dampening you will get scanned by Proto scanners. You'll need to add 1 Basic Prof dampener to avoid Proto scanners. So you will STILL be wasting that 1 low slot. And you need 4 COMPLEX PROF dampeners to avoid the Duvolle Focused active scanner. LOL. ON A SCOUT.... AV-TANK BALANCE = https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1612446#post1612446
hgghyujh Expert Intervention Caldari State 192	Posted - 2013.12.16 08:38:00 - [29] - Quote I thought this was gonna be a QQ thread, you are right it is, but thats partly due to too many people soloing every squad should have one tho.
Alena Ventrallis Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 309	Posted - 2013.12.16 09:30:00 - [30] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: Nestil wrote: i love farming proto logis that rely soley on their scanners. but need to spec more deeper into dampening skills so i dont need to sacrifice slots on my paper suit. WHAT? even at Level 5 scout and Level 5 dampening you will get scanned by Proto scanners. You'll need to add 1 Basic Prof dampener to avoid Proto scanners. So you will STILL be wasting that 1 low slot. And you need 4 COMPLEX PROF dampeners to avoid the Duvolle Focused active scanner. LOL. ON A SCOUT.... That's how it should be. Its a proto scanner. The best proto scanner. It better pick up everything. If someone paid the money for the best, nothing should get through. The problem with scanners is getting a 360 field view regardless of what you use. Whether I run a standard or a proto scanner, I still get 360 intel. I think if puling the trigger stopped all movement until the scan was completed, that would make those scan degrees matter. Everyone should be scanned by the best scanner, regardless of dampening. But the best scanner shouldn't be able to give you 360 degrees of scanning. Locking movement and looking around during a scan makes scanning much more tactical, and gives those dampened scout a fighting chance, since if they're not in the scan area, they are still unnoticed.

Zatara Rought Fatal Absolution 1861	Posted - 2013.12.16 09:35:00 - [31] - Quote Run double complex damps and it's a whole new world. I can actually get the drop on people in PC. Master naders: Geniuses at evening the odds. Favorite Skype: Zatara.Rought
Luna Angelo We Who Walk Alone 432	Posted - 2013.12.16 09:36:00 - [32] - Quote Both locking movement and broadcasting your position (like Sonar) would be nice. Coming from a guy that uses Active Scanners, btw. Names of playstyles
Zatara Rought Fatal Absolution 1861	Posted - 2013.12.16 09:37:00 - [33] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: Operative 1171 Aajli wrote: Well, it's not a crutch for a scout/light suit. That is actually what that suit is for. Wish they'd make it a scout suit only tool. Make it worthless with out the bonuses from the scout suit. This is not an original idea. Still the best idea. +1 Aajli. As long as scanners are shared squad vision this won't be sufficient. MAKE CALLOUTS RELEVANT AGAIN! NERF DA SCANNERS! Master naders: Geniuses at evening the odds. Favorite Skype: Zatara.Rought
LT SHANKS Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 766	Posted - 2013.12.16 09:41:00 - [34] - Quote But but but... I only just started using the scanner. Today was the first time I really put it to use. My ADV MinLogi suit normally runs an injector, a nanohive, and a rep tool. Another fitting I use is dedicated entirely to uplinks. However, after acquiring the Combat Rifle today, I decided to dust off my quantum scanner and put it to use on a fitting that relies on profile dampeners. The results are phenomenal and I am having fun. Considering I only play Dust on Sundays, can I at least use scanners for another month or so?
DeathwindRising ROGUE SPADES 143	Posted - 2013.12.16 09:48:00 - [35] - Quote CrotchGrab 360 wrote: Thanks for being modest and ballsy enough to admit this! I personally think the scanner should be removed, all it does is allow proto-squads to stomp harder and more easily. There's nothing more depressing than knowing you can't flank the enemy team, it completely removes tactics when you know you're lit up like a Christmas tree and now there's a mad rush to see who can get to you and kill you first. It puts new players at an even bigger disadvantage and is just a way for people to get cheap kills and shoot you in the back. I'm not going to use dampeners as I don't see why I should completely change my setup and total HP just to counter one guy spinning round in a circle whilst the rest of the squad are all stacked with health modules. CCP, remove scanners, dampeners and everything related, refund ISK from skillbooks and SP and be done with it. Start introducing some tactics to this game. DUST isn't going to be any more than a casual game whilst stuff like this still exists. scout suit with 2 militia dampeners will beat an advanced scanner. i flank squads whenever i want by simply using dampeners on scout suits. bring a scrambler rifle so you can drop them quick and move onto to the next straggler
Orenji Jiji 310	Posted - 2013.12.16 09:53:00 - [36] - Quote Alena Ventrallis wrote: KING CHECKMATE wrote: Nestil wrote: i love farming proto logis that rely soley on their scanners. but need to spec more deeper into dampening skills so i dont need to sacrifice slots on my paper suit. WHAT? even at Level 5 scout and Level 5 dampening you will get scanned by Proto scanners. You'll need to add 1 Basic Prof dampener to avoid Proto scanners. So you will STILL be wasting that 1 low slot. And you need 4 COMPLEX PROF dampeners to avoid the Duvolle Focused active scanner. LOL. ON A SCOUT.... That's how it should be. Its a proto scanner. The best proto scanner. It better pick up everything. If someone paid the money for the best, nothing should get through. The problem with scanners is getting a 360 field view regardless of what you use. Whether I run a standard or a proto scanner, I still get 360 intel. I think if puling the trigger stopped all movement until the scan was completed, that would make those scan degrees matter. Everyone should be scanned by the best scanner, regardless of dampening. But the best scanner shouldn't be able to give you 360 degrees of scanning. Locking movement and looking around during a scan makes scanning much more tactical, and gives those dampened scout a fighting chance, since if they're not in the scan area, they are still unnoticed. ORLY? It's a proto scout. The best proto scout. With complex dampening modules. Proto level dampening modules. Four of them. If somebody paid the money for the best and did not choke on sacrificing all of their slots on it, they should not be scanned. See what I did there? Not everyone should be scanned by the best scanner, irregardles of what protobear like you says. And none of the scanners should be able to give you 360 degrees of scanning. Best fix for this would be scanner doing a single flash scan of the range x span it declares, not emit a signal for few seconds. No movement locking, no nothing, you get a single impulse of 0.1 seconds and everything that's in range and span and with higher profile -- gets scanned. And I am one of the ballerina scanners, so let's get that off the way. SL dumbfire, DS bumpercars, tank godmode, working NKs. All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain.
Nocturnal Soul Immortal Retribution 1277	Posted - 2013.12.16 09:55:00 - [37] - Quote Never skilled into one kinda thought I needed my compact nano a lot more. "The trick to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources..." Albert Einstein
Luna Angelo We Who Walk Alone 432	Posted - 2013.12.16 09:55:00 - [38] - Quote LT SHANKS wrote: But but but... I only just started using the scanner. Today was the first time I really put it to use. My ADV MinLogi suit normally runs an injector, a nanohive, and a rep tool. Another fitting I use is dedicated entirely to uplinks. However, after acquiring the Combat Rifle today, I decided to dust off my quantum scanner and put it to use on a fitting that relies on profile dampeners. The results are phenomenal and I am having fun. Considering I only play Dust on Sundays, can I at least use scanners for another month or so? Nope. Welcome to New Eden, where everything gets nerfed 10 seconds after it gets released. (Hyperbole, but still somewhat true.) Names of playstyles
Nestil Seraphim Auxiliaries 94	Posted - 2013.12.16 09:56:00 - [39] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: Nestil wrote: i love farming proto logis that rely soley on their scanners. but need to spec more deeper into dampening skills so i dont need to sacrifice slots on my paper suit. WHAT? even at Level 5 scout and Level 5 dampening you will get scanned by Proto scanners. You'll need to add 1 Basic Prof dampener to avoid Proto scanners. So you will STILL be wasting that 1 low slot. And you need 4 COMPLEX PROF dampeners to avoid the Duvolle Focused active scanner. LOL. ON A SCOUT.... well yeah i did the math and you're right... wth this is fking stupid. it's nearly triple sp required to get there compared to get into proto scanners, which is completly bs! they shouldnt be able to see me :/
Monkey MAC Lost Millennium 1233	Posted - 2013.12.16 10:06:00 - [40] - Quote Orenji Jiji wrote: Alena Ventrallis wrote: KING CHECKMATE wrote: Nestil wrote: i love farming proto logis that rely soley on their scanners. but need to spec more deeper into dampening skills so i dont need to sacrifice slots on my paper suit. WHAT? even at Level 5 scout and Level 5 dampening you will get scanned by Proto scanners. You'll need to add 1 Basic Prof dampener to avoid Proto scanners. So you will STILL be wasting that 1 low slot. And you need 4 COMPLEX PROF dampeners to avoid the Duvolle Focused active scanner. LOL. ON A SCOUT.... That's how it should be. Its a proto scanner. The best proto scanner. It better pick up everything. If someone paid the money for the best, nothing should get through. The problem with scanners is getting a 360 field view regardless of what you use. Whether I run a standard or a proto scanner, I still get 360 intel. I think if puling the trigger stopped all movement until the scan was completed, that would make those scan degrees matter. Everyone should be scanned by the best scanner, regardless of dampening. But the best scanner shouldn't be able to give you 360 degrees of scanning. Locking movement and looking around during a scan makes scanning much more tactical, and gives those dampened scout a fighting chance, since if they're not in the scan area, they are still unnoticed. ORLY? It's a proto scout. The best proto scout. With complex dampening modules. Proto level dampening modules. Four of them. If somebody paid the money for the best and did not choke on sacrificing all of their slots on it, they should not be scanned. See what I did there? Not everyone should be scanned by the best scanner, irregardles of what protobear like you says. And none of the scanners should be able to give you 360 degrees of scanning. Best fix for this would be scanner doing a single flash scan of the range x span it declares, not emit a signal for few seconds. No movement locking, no nothing, you get a single impulse of 0.1 seconds and everything that's in range and span and with higher profile -- gets scanned. And I am one of the ballerina scanners, so let's get that off the way. Are you aware the duvolle focused is a scout catcher? Its designed to find even the most dampened of scouts, thats why very few should be able to dodge it! Risk v Reward Do I put this extra dampener on, or a kincat, or a plate? Tanks 514 I told you, I bloody well told you. Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior of the Trees Lvl.1

LT SHANKS Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 768	Posted - 2013.12.16 10:08:00 - [41] - Quote Luna Angelo wrote: LT SHANKS wrote: But but but... I only just started using the scanner. Today was the first time I really put it to use. My ADV MinLogi suit normally runs an injector, a nanohive, and a rep tool. Another fitting I use is dedicated entirely to uplinks. However, after acquiring the Combat Rifle today, I decided to dust off my quantum scanner and put it to use on a fitting that relies on profile dampeners. The results are phenomenal and I am having fun. Considering I only play Dust on Sundays, can I at least use scanners for another month or so? Nope. Welcome to New Eden, where everything gets nerfed 10 seconds after it gets released. (Hyperbole, but still somewhat true.) This makes me sad... patiently waits for next week to use scanner
Luna Angelo We Who Walk Alone 434	Posted - 2013.12.16 10:39:00 - [42] - Quote LT SHANKS wrote: Luna Angelo wrote: LT SHANKS wrote: But but but... I only just started using the scanner. Today was the first time I really put it to use. My ADV MinLogi suit normally runs an injector, a nanohive, and a rep tool. Another fitting I use is dedicated entirely to uplinks. However, after acquiring the Combat Rifle today, I decided to dust off my quantum scanner and put it to use on a fitting that relies on profile dampeners. The results are phenomenal and I am having fun. Considering I only play Dust on Sundays, can I at least use scanners for another month or so? Nope. Welcome to New Eden, where everything gets nerfed 10 seconds after it gets released. (Hyperbole, but still somewhat true.) This makes me sad... patiently waits for next week to use scanner Have fun. Names of playstyles
sira draco Isuuaya Tactical Caldari State 8	Posted - 2013.12.16 11:08:00 - [43] - Quote CrotchGrab 360 wrote: Thanks for being modest and ballsy enough to admit this! I personally think the scanner should be removed, all it does is allow proto-squads to stomp harder and more easily. There's nothing more depressing than knowing you can't flank the enemy team, it completely removes tactics when you know you're lit up like a Christmas tree and now there's a mad rush to see who can get to you and kill you first. It puts new players at an even bigger disadvantage and is just a way for people to get cheap kills and shoot you in the back. I'm not going to use dampeners as I don't see why I should completely change my setup and total HP just to counter one guy spinning round in a circle whilst the rest of the squad are all stacked with health modules. CCP, remove scanners, dampeners and everything related, refund ISK from skillbooks and SP and be done with it. Start introducing some tactics to this game. DUST isn't going to be any more than a casual game whilst stuff like this still exists. I was sniping in a match the other day and i was watching a player, he was up on a roof that was accessible only by dropship, and all he did the whole match was spin with his proto scanner and scan for his squad, I'm not exaggerating, he was up there the whole match, it was so cheap
Absoliav Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 97	Posted - 2013.12.16 19:00:00 - [44] - Quote I have an idea for the 360 scan trick, every Scanner has a Scan Duration, now what if Scanners needed to stay on a target for the duration of the scan in order to get the results of it? Example: If I use the Duvolle Focused Scanner and do a 360 while scanning, I'll get no results, but if I thought there where enemies hiding in a bunker, if I scanned it, I would have to keep my Scanner aimed at the bunker for 5 seconds to get scan results, this doesn't mean I have to hold still for the duration of the scan, I just have to keep the Scanners Scan cone fixed on a target for the said target to show up. This would create more diversity in scanner usage, the Focused would serve better against stationary targets, while a Flux would be more useful for quick target marking at long ranges, while giving the Quantum an advantage against faster/closer targets. This would eliminate 360 scanning without limiting the scanners viability in combat, users would just have to consider the Scanner they bring into combat before they use it, the only thing you'd have to do is hold a target, if they move out of your scan cone, then you won't see him, but if his buddies didn't move, you still got something.
taxi bastard Minor Trueblood 76	Posted - 2013.12.16 19:10:00 - [45] - Quote Aisha Ctarl wrote: I used to run the advanced scanner on nearly all my suits until one day I realized I was far too reliant on it. I decided to take it off of my templar suit and replace it with the templar uplink. First match in I was a paranoid mess. Something about not knowing where the enemy is at all times really bothered me and made me play far more timidly. Before when I did use the scanner I would scan non-stop. Spin scan, run, wait for recharge, spin scan, run, etc. Once I removed the scanner and truly realized how heavily I relied on it, I came to realize just how much of a crutch the scanner really is. I invite you to try my little experiment to see just how heavily you rely on the scanner - you may have a startling revelation. just started to use the scanner and omg its easy mode. with short TTK knowing where the enemy is means you should win. as I have said all along using the scanner should give your position away think active and passive sonar with subs
Sgt Kirk SyNergy Gaming EoN. 3597	Posted - 2013.12.16 19:12:00 - [46] - Quote Scanners have far too much range and are too potent at detecting enemies. When they still give you a margin of error after being well below the signature, that's a big problem. Decrease range, and have it to where if you a just barely below signature the "Some margin of error message will come up" if you are well below scan signature it shows up as if there's no one actually there.
RECON BY FIRE Imperfects Negative-Feedback 325	Posted - 2013.12.16 19:15:00 - [47] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: Aisha Ctarl wrote: I used to run the advanced scanner on nearly all my suits until one day I realized I was far too reliant on it. I decided to take it off of my templar suit and replace it with the templar uplink. First match in I was a paranoid mess. Something about not knowing where the enemy is at all times really bothered me and made me play far more timidly. Before when I did use the scanner I would scan non-stop. Spin scan, run, wait for recharge, spin scan, run, etc. Once I removed the scanner and truly realized how heavily I relied on it, I came to realize just how much of a crutch the scanner really is. I invite you to try my little experiment to see just how heavily you rely on the scanner - you may have a startling revelation. HAHA why? I already know the A.Scanners are Overpowered, i know i depend on them to win,i use them because they are the only true counter to themselves..... So much this, I try not to use my scanner anymore but I can only take seeing YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED for so many minutes straight before I know I need to get mine before the Proto Army of Death comes to kill my single entity. Stuff....?
Reav Hannari Red Rock Outriders 2232	Posted - 2013.12.16 19:18:00 - [48] - Quote Anybody that calls anything a "crutch" tells me they want this to be a competitive shooter. It's not. DUST is war. Any soldier that refuses to use any legal means to gain the advantage on their opponent is coming at this the wrong way. Those tools are also available to the enemy and you should expect them to use those same tools as well. I do believe they need to be balanced, a level of uncertainty added, range falloff added and advantages given to scouts using them. That's all posted elsewhere. // Adapt or Die // Matari Logistics / Scout / Dropship Crash Tester // @ReesNoturana
RKKR The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine 544	Posted - 2013.12.16 19:24:00 - [49] - Quote +1. Scanners are lame once you think about it.
REMNANCY 1 Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 27	Posted - 2013.12.16 19:27:00 - [50] - Quote Reav Hannari wrote: Anybody that calls anything a "crutch" tells me they want this to be a competitive shooter. It's not. DUST is war. Any soldier that refuses to use any legal means to gain the advantage on their opponent is coming at this the wrong way. Those tools are also available to the enemy and you should expect them to use those same tools as well. I do believe they need to be balanced, a level of uncertainty added, range falloff added and advantages given to scouts using them. That's all posted elsewhere. No despite what the voices and your evident self serving position says this is in fact a video game and it being competitive is kind of what makes them worth playing

Awry Barux Paladin Survey Force Amarr Empire 409	Posted - 2013.12.16 19:33:00 - [51] - Quote RECON BY FIRE wrote: KING CHECKMATE wrote: Aisha Ctarl wrote: I used to run the advanced scanner on nearly all my suits until one day I realized I was far too reliant on it. I decided to take it off of my templar suit and replace it with the templar uplink. First match in I was a paranoid mess. Something about not knowing where the enemy is at all times really bothered me and made me play far more timidly. Before when I did use the scanner I would scan non-stop. Spin scan, run, wait for recharge, spin scan, run, etc. Once I removed the scanner and truly realized how heavily I relied on it, I came to realize just how much of a crutch the scanner really is. I invite you to try my little experiment to see just how heavily you rely on the scanner - you may have a startling revelation. HAHA why? I already know the A.Scanners are Overpowered, i know i depend on them to win,i use them because they are the only true counter to themselves..... So much this, I try not to use my scanner anymore but I can only take seeing YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED for so many minutes straight before I know I need to get mine before the Proto Army of Death comes to kill my single entity. +1 indeed. There's only one consistent way to overcome brick tanked protobears, and that's a scanner + prefiring. They tend to want to conserve their clip for multiple kills, so they don't prefire much despite having scanners of their own.
Reav Hannari Red Rock Outriders 2233	Posted - 2013.12.16 19:34:00 - [52] - Quote REMNANCY 1 wrote: Reav Hannari wrote: Anybody that calls anything a "crutch" tells me they want this to be a competitive shooter. It's not. DUST is war. Any soldier that refuses to use any legal means to gain the advantage on their opponent is coming at this the wrong way. Those tools are also available to the enemy and you should expect them to use those same tools as well. I do believe they need to be balanced, a level of uncertainty added, range falloff added and advantages given to scouts using them. That's all posted elsewhere. No despite what the voices and your evident self serving position says this is in fact a video game and it being competitive is kind of what makes them worth playing Sure, it's a game but it is based on the same concepts of EVE. Your ability to beat the competition in New Eden is often decided before you even hit the battlefield based on manpower, money, character skill levels and choice of fittings. If you don't like that then this game isn't for you. // Adapt or Die // Matari Logistics / Scout / Dropship Crash Tester // @ReesNoturana
Alena Ventrallis Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 313	Posted - 2013.12.16 19:45:00 - [53] - Quote Orenji Jiji wrote: Not everyone should be scanned by the best scanner, irregardles of what protobear like you says. And none of the scanners should be able to give you 360 degrees of scanning. Best fix for this would be scanner doing a single flash scan of the range x span it declares, not emit a signal for few seconds. No movement locking, no nothing, you get a single impulse of 0.1 seconds and everything that's in range and span and with higher profile -- gets scanned. And I am one of the ballerina scanners, so let's get that off the way. Clearly, you did not read my entire post. Let me post the part you missed. Alena Ventrallis wrote: The problem with scanners is getting a 360 field view regardless of what you use. Whether I run a standard or a proto scanner, I still get 360 intel. I think if puling the trigger stopped all movement until the scan was completed, that would make those scan degrees matter. The dampened scout should be picked up by the scout finding scanner. the payoff for scouts, is the scout finder has such a narrow scan angle that unless you land right on them, you wont hit them, and the scout remains hidden. I'm for cutting the range down to 50, or even 25 meters. Make it that much easier for a scout to get around it.
Delta 749 Kestrel Reconnaissance 2368	Posted - 2013.12.16 19:50:00 - [54] - Quote Indeed, they need to be tweaked a lot to take them away from crutch status First fix the damn spin scanning, second let walls of installations interfere with scan precisions Dont start freaking out yet guys with scanners wait to hear three, third introduce variations of the scanner, one with a shorter range but does not have to worry about an installation interfering with it making ideal for use inside installations and one with a longer range but that gets blocked by walls making it more suitable for use out in the field Im considering a fourth idea as well, rather than having it as scan once and having all the enemies light up and be displayed in real time for however long the scan lasts turn it into something that has to actually be actively used like the name implies IE to get the benefits you need to have it out like a repair tool Im not drunk, the planet just happens to be especially wobbly today.
Smooth Assassin Stardust incorporation 473	Posted - 2013.12.16 19:56:00 - [55] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: I too am a crutch user. I've started dropping it in favour of remote explosives though. They're great now! ... except in FW. Don't use them in FW. I LOVE YOU!!!!!! Shh... they don't know. *Assassination is my thing.*
Robocop Junior BlackWater Liquidations INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS 424	Posted - 2013.12.16 19:59:00 - [56] - Quote A ScR user in templar gear saying something else is a crutch?
Keri Starlight 0uter.Heaven 1960	Posted - 2013.12.16 20:03:00 - [57] - Quote Scanners are "necessary" after the Tacnet nerf, since this game is extremely slow without any form of enemy detection. Scanners were not a problem when Tacnet was useful. 100% Achura "I load my gun with love instead of bullets"
KING CHECKMATE Scions of Athra 3299	Posted - 2013.12.16 22:13:00 - [58] - Quote Alena Ventrallis wrote: KING CHECKMATE wrote: Nestil wrote: i love farming proto logis that rely soley on their scanners. but need to spec more deeper into dampening skills so i dont need to sacrifice slots on my paper suit. WHAT? even at Level 5 scout and Level 5 dampening you will get scanned by Proto scanners. You'll need to add 1 Basic Prof dampener to avoid Proto scanners. So you will STILL be wasting that 1 low slot. And you need 4 COMPLEX PROF dampeners to avoid the Duvolle Focused active scanner. LOL. ON A SCOUT.... That's how it should be. Its a proto scanner. The best proto scanner. It better pick up everything. If someone paid the money for the best, nothing should get through. The problem with scanners is getting a 360 field view regardless of what you use. Whether I run a standard or a proto scanner, I still get 360 intel. I think if puling the trigger stopped all movement until the scan was completed, that would make those scan degrees matter. Everyone should be scanned by the best scanner, regardless of dampening. But the best scanner shouldn't be able to give you 360 degrees of scanning. Locking movement and looking around during a scan makes scanning much more tactical, and gives those dampened scout a fighting chance, since if they're not in the scan area, they are still unnoticed. Are you a r3tard? ''Its a proto scanner. The best proto scanner. It better pick up everything. If someone paid the money for the best, nothing should get through.'' Nothing should get through? not even a PROTO scout with PROTO dampening skills and a PROTO Profile dampener? It doesnt matter i spent over 3.4 million in SP in order to be profile dampened,because Alena thinks that spendding 1 million in a.scanners gives you the right of being a radar god. ( -.- ) You want A.scanners to pick up everything? then they should cost MORE than scouts V,Dampening V. So in order to get to proto scanners, lets see;You needs at least 1.8 million SP to get to level 5.Have fun with that. ''Everyone should be scanned by the best scanner, regardless of dampening.'' If this really is your way thinking , then im wasting my time with someone like you. AV-TANK BALANCE = https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1612446#post1612446
PARKOUR PRACTIONER Redline Defense Force Seekers of the Unseen 27	Posted - 2013.12.16 22:21:00 - [59] - Quote Chunky Munkey wrote: The irony is that CCP's intention was probably to encourage as much squad play as possible. Instead nanohives were replaced by scanners as the No1 lone wolf equipment item. Here is my lone wolf fit, if a persistent blueberry doesn't follow me. Minmatar scout lvl 1, Basic cardiac regulator, militia kinetic catalyzer, proto knives, shotgun, or switch out for smg or pistol, and basic remotes. Will never touch a scanner again. 'Don't talk to strangers, shoot them.' Snow LOCKOUT Knives are my thing.
Dimmu Borgir II The New Age Outlaws WINMATAR. 200	Posted - 2013.12.16 23:29:00 - [60] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: Fiddler Galaine wrote: Scanners were already nerfed in a way - they can't be cancelled any more. ( -.- ) THAY HAVNT BEEN NERFED. They fixed a glitch. They are still as OP as always. Main reason im so against them is A.Scanners have taken scouts out of the competitive side of Dust514. I dunno about you guys but now my Quantum scanner doesn't even pick up tanks properly! I think that's a nerf!!! Or maybe as tanks are faster than light they have to be scanned from the future! Scanned from the future, my favourite MJ Fox movie! Blue is good, red is bad, orange you glad you're not red?



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