DUST Search - Can we admit it's all OP ...?

Galvan Nized wrote:

calvin b wrote:

TheD1CK wrote:

So I logged in 2 days after the update after hearing bad news from Corp members,
I bought lvl1 Combat Rifle to represent the Minmatar weapons and damn,
It is OP , fires super fast with bugger all recoil unless you are running/gunning
melts people way faster than it should just like the SMG which I have said before has way too much DPS

Watching my 500+ shield caldari squad member have his HP annihilated by the Rail Rifle
wondering why I was told it has a bonus to armour DMG .....
seems like a cool weapon but is hitting way too hard

The Scramblers now have to contend with the faster CR and longer range RR which is good but,
despite that drawback the SR is still OP and needs whatever multiplier it base DMG on lowered

And Gallente AR is now the sideline weapon at the moment with everyone trying new gear but due to its high
clipsize it is still a force to be reckoned with

but seriously .....

All 4 AR variants are stupidly OP, none perform as an Anti Shield/Armour because they all
drain either HP type way too fast, for the future of Dust 514 I really hope that the playerbase can actually agree that
the current weaponary is too strong and needs decreases to RoF and clip sizes

I won't even bother mentioning Tanks, they are insane

There not OP, the TTK is off a bit and when you add in hit detection when it is working you get a since a weapon or weapons are OP. The truth is the weapons are balanced. The CR is designed to be CQC as the RR was designed to be a long range weapon the second longest in range behind the sniper rifle. Please do not start these weapons are OP or nerf this or nerf that, I am sick of people killing this game. If you cant kill someone maybe its the player and not the weapon.

Ask for the AR to be nerfed for it is OP
Ask for the ScR to be nerfed for it is OP
Ask for the RR to be nerfed for it is OP
Ask for the CR to be nerfed for it is OP

Do you notice a trend, I know I do. Its not the weapons its the fact you F***** suck Cool

It's not that they are OP vs each other it's the fact that rifles beat every other weapon in the game. The niche weapons like a laser rifle, shotgun, NKs, HMGs are no longer viable. The rifles are almost as good as these weapons if not better in THEIR environment. Plus the added benefit of you know crushing these in ALL other situations.

AR class has almost no weakness vs every other type of weapon outside AV. You CAN'T balance like this, or you might as well get rid if those weapons.

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TechMechMeds Swamp Marines Kleenex Inc. 1765	Posted - 2013.12.15 17:05:00 - [61] - Quote TheD1CK wrote: If anyone read the title, I asked could we admit its all OP ?? the responses are a bit 50/50 but a lot of you can't accept that they are too powerful. And so you know I have used , std - adv CR since I got it with games ranging from 10+ kdr to 20 + I am having no trouble fighting others atm, but from what I have seen from my team and the enemy sides is that the weapons are too powerful and none are really specific to their role .... next all the guys against this are going to try tell me that Tanks are not OP that we should be in a game with flying HAV's and Death Ray AR's ...... sounds fun Tanks are fine, slightly up, they should be able to fly and the ar variants all need to be death ray guns. Level 1 forum warrior. Minmatar and Gallente fw. I sold my wife and kids to the Amarr for isk, its a valid tactic.
TheD1CK Dead Man's Game 157	Posted - 2013.12.15 17:08:00 - [62] - Quote lol ... please stop
Mc Ribwich Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 440	Posted - 2013.12.15 17:13:00 - [63] - Quote TheD1CK wrote: And Gallente AR is now the sideline weapon at the moment with everyone trying new gear Good. Dust 514 video maker Subdreddit EU director and co-director of propaganda Twitter
Sir Petersen Valhalla Nord 412	Posted - 2013.12.15 17:17:00 - [64] - Quote All 4 of them OP for sure.
TechMechMeds Swamp Marines Kleenex Inc. 1765	Posted - 2013.12.15 17:20:00 - [65] - Quote I think the burst cr should have a wider dispersion hip firing so its not as beasty in cqc, the assault version is fun but I don't see much point in it. Level 1 forum warrior. Minmatar and Gallente fw. I sold my wife and kids to the Amarr for isk, its a valid tactic.
Orion Vahid DUST University Ivy League 209	Posted - 2013.12.15 17:21:00 - [66] - Quote This patch left the previous problems (HMG, scouts, etc.) unsolved and just added more problems to the list.
DozersMouse XIII Ultramarine Corp 47	Posted - 2013.12.15 17:24:00 - [67] - Quote TechMechMeds wrote: I think the burst cr should have a wider dispersion hip firing so its not as beasty in cqc, the assault version is fun but I don't see much point in it. I love my std CR in tight cqc fights the assault is nice but the std gives me so many more options as a scout imagine the s#!t you can kill from a throne.... fu@#!n Rome.
TheD1CK Dead Man's Game 158	Posted - 2013.12.15 17:26:00 - [68] - Quote TechMechMeds , whatever you are smoking over there, must be strong because all 4 are too strong it's that simple CR - it's ttk is super fast SR - charges up to much with a better fire rate than TAC AR ( Imagine the tears if the Glu-5 could place charge shots) RR - I can't post much here as I have not used it but from what I have seen, it may be tricky to use but even CQC its High DMG AR - It's still carrying way to much in a clip , 40 max it should be all four are OP, so we can all either admit it, get it sorted and enjoy Dust or we adapt or die .... which I am pretty used to at this stage of Dust but in the hope of getting new players into the game I really hope it doesn't stay that way .....
TechMechMeds Swamp Marines Kleenex Inc. 1766	Posted - 2013.12.15 17:44:00 - [69] - Quote DozersMouse XIII wrote: TechMechMeds wrote: I think the burst cr should have a wider dispersion hip firing so its not as beasty in cqc, the assault version is fun but I don't see much point in it. I love my std CR in tight cqc fights the assault is nice but the std gives me so many more options as a scout I hate to say it because I am wrecking anyone almost in 3 bursts proto or not but its too accurate hip firing. There I said it lol. Iv tried to make the assault work but the regular does anything it can do better. Level 1 forum warrior. Minmatar and Gallente fw. I sold my wife and kids to the Amarr for isk, its a valid tactic.
TechMechMeds Swamp Marines Kleenex Inc. 1766	Posted - 2013.12.15 17:47:00 - [70] - Quote TheD1CK wrote: TechMechMeds , whatever you are smoking over there, must be strong because all 4 are too strong it's that simple CR - it's ttk is super fast SR - charges up to much with a better fire rate than TAC AR ( Imagine the tears if the Glu-5 could place charge shots) RR - I can't post much here as I have not used it but from what I have seen, it may be tricky to use but even CQC its High DMG AR - It's still carrying way to much in a clip , 40 max it should be all four are OP, so we can all either admit it, get it sorted and enjoy Dust or we adapt or die .... which I am pretty used to at this stage of Dust but in the hope of getting new players into the game I really hope it doesn't stay that way ..... Glu 5 is a placeholder. I'd be fine with 40 in a clip but I believe the assault variant needs more in a clip to be worth choosing over the std cr. And the hip firing is definitely too accurate. I prefer adapt or die to nerfing the guns but would agree to buffing everyone's suit hp a bit across the board. Disagree to any weapon damage nerfs though. Level 1 forum warrior. Minmatar and Gallente fw. I sold my wife and kids to the Amarr for isk, its a valid tactic.

GTFO Pls Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 0	Posted - 2013.12.15 18:56:00 - [71] - Quote Well this thread is a mess. The ARs are pretty balanced against each other, but the other weapons are crowded out. HMG - Low range, can only be used by heavies. Very hard to get close enough unless the enemy goes Leeroy Jenkins and rushes at you. Shotgun - You need to get VERY close, so most suits barring Scouts are out. The prevalence of Active Scanners ruins any attempts at ambushing unless you've stealth tanked, and this takes up your slots. It takes a lot more SP to get stealth bonuses and modules than it does to get a good Active Scanner, so it's really hard to work your way up as a Shotgun enthusiast. LR - A very rare weapon, the LR needs to be used at the perfect range - far from AR range, but close enough to reach them. Armor tanks are hard to melt with LR, and the beam pretty much says "Look at me guys, I have an LR! Please snipe me". Plasma Cannon - I got nothing. it's meh as an anti-vehicle weapon and very demanding as an anti-infantry weapon. The CPU cost punishes you for not choosing a Swarm Launcher or AR for whatever the hell you're trying to do. MD - Close range hurts you, and long range is never accurate. You need to be at mid range, vulnerable to ARs, to really land shots. Low ROF and a small clip size means you need to land most or all your shots, and firing six shots without retaliation is next to impossible. If an enemy forces you into a CQC battle, you're helping them by blowing yourself up. Sniper Rifle - Still good, no problems here. Get as much tank as you can and find a good spot to shoot people without worry. Heavies ironically do very good with these, given their signature combat weapon is the HMG. These weapons have understandable weaknesses to force players to adapt their playstyle/suit to their uses, but the ARs are so effective in most scenarios that using these alternatives is like a downgrade; why use a shotgun that can kill at close range in 2 seconds when I can use an AR that can kill at many ranges in 3 seconds?
ARC34 The Game of Clones 8	Posted - 2013.12.15 19:02:00 - [72] - Quote Chunky Munkey wrote: Agreed. The new weapons don't fulfil any roles, they're just weapons to spam in CQC. This was the problem with the ScR in 1.6, and now they've rolled it out across the whole lot. All that is needed to balance these weapons is to make them less effective outside their optimum ranges. CQC was supposed to be the realm of the AR, and now it's gone the way of the LR in that it is bested in it's own optimum. Shotgun is dead. Nova Knife is dead. Laser Rifle is dead. What else has died by the hand of these new rifles? So you're telling me I'm the only one using a shotgun ._. If you're not prepared to lose Don't use it
TheD1CK Dead Man's Game 163	Posted - 2013.12.16 13:56:00 - [73] - Quote A few days in and I am after hitting 30+ kills / 5 deaths Mostly Assault CR ... No damage mods Hell if its a case of adapt or die, I'm doing pretty well but I still think as I have said before, All four are too strong, or maybe its the crappy effect of dmg mods being stacked by bitches...
chase rowland The Enclave Syndicate Dark Taboo 122	Posted - 2013.12.16 14:02:00 - [74] - Quote Galvan Nized wrote: calvin b wrote: TheD1CK wrote: So I logged in 2 days after the update after hearing bad news from Corp members, I bought lvl1 Combat Rifle to represent the Minmatar weapons and damn, It is OP , fires super fast with bugger all recoil unless you are running/gunning melts people way faster than it should just like the SMG which I have said before has way too much DPS Watching my 500+ shield caldari squad member have his HP annihilated by the Rail Rifle wondering why I was told it has a bonus to armour DMG ..... seems like a cool weapon but is hitting way too hard The Scramblers now have to contend with the faster CR and longer range RR which is good but, despite that drawback the SR is still OP and needs whatever multiplier it base DMG on lowered And Gallente AR is now the sideline weapon at the moment with everyone trying new gear but due to its high clipsize it is still a force to be reckoned with but seriously ..... All 4 AR variants are stupidly OP, none perform as an Anti Shield/Armour because they all drain either HP type way too fast, for the future of Dust 514 I really hope that the playerbase can actually agree that the current weaponary is too strong and needs decreases to RoF and clip sizes I won't even bother mentioning Tanks, they are insane There not OP, the TTK is off a bit and when you add in hit detection when it is working you get a since a weapon or weapons are OP. The truth is the weapons are balanced. The CR is designed to be CQC as the RR was designed to be a long range weapon the second longest in range behind the sniper rifle. Please do not start these weapons are OP or nerf this or nerf that, I am sick of people killing this game. If you cant kill someone maybe its the player and not the weapon. Ask for the AR to be nerfed for it is OP Ask for the ScR to be nerfed for it is OP Ask for the RR to be nerfed for it is OP Ask for the CR to be nerfed for it is OP Do you notice a trend, I know I do. Its not the weapons its the fact you F***** suck It's not that they are OP vs each other it's the fact that rifles beat every other weapon in the game. The niche weapons like a laser rifle, shotgun, NKs, HMGs are no longer viable. The rifles are almost as good as these weapons if not better in THEIR environment. Plus the added benefit of you know crushing these in ALL other situations. AR class has almost no weakness vs every other type of weapon outside AV. You CAN'T balance like this, or you might as well get rid if those weapons. HMG n nova knives never were viable mate, they were good till 1.2 when all the COD convicts moved in. nor its AR 514
DTOracle BlackWater Liquidations INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS 191	Posted - 2013.12.16 14:44:00 - [75] - Quote DozersMouse XIII wrote: really? already? Honestly AR's have been the most problematic weapons as far as balance goes, for months now. The fact that CCP decided to double the # of AR's will only serve to exacerbate the issue. The only reason there isn't more complaining is because Tanks & FW are an even bigger mess, & has most people distracted.
TechMechMeds Swamp Marines Kleenex Inc. 1773	Posted - 2013.12.16 14:49:00 - [76] - Quote DTOracle wrote: DozersMouse XIII wrote: really? already? Honestly AR's have been the most problematic weapons as far as balance goes, for months now. The fact that CCP decided to double the # of AR's will only serve to exacerbate the issue. The only reason there isn't more complaining is because Tanks & FW are an even bigger mess, & has most people distracted. These new rifles have been almost a year in the making, I have waited for ages for my combat riflke, now all they need to do is bring all the racial sidearms, heavy weapons, knives, heavy and light suits out. Then racial drop ships, havs and lavs. Level 1 forum warrior. Minmatar and Gallente fw. I sold my wife and kids to the Amarr for isk, its a valid tactic.


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