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TechMechMeds Swamp Marines Kleenex Inc. 1756	Posted - 2013.12.14 21:15:00 - [1] - Quote calvin b wrote: TheD1CK wrote: So I logged in 2 days after the update after hearing bad news from Corp members, I bought lvl1 Combat Rifle to represent the Minmatar weapons and damn, It is OP , fires super fast with bugger all recoil unless you are running/gunning melts people way faster than it should just like the SMG which I have said before has way too much DPS Watching my 500+ shield caldari squad member have his HP annihilated by the Rail Rifle wondering why I was told it has a bonus to armour DMG ..... seems like a cool weapon but is hitting way too hard The Scramblers now have to contend with the faster CR and longer range RR which is good but, despite that drawback the SR is still OP and needs whatever multiplier it base DMG on lowered And Gallente AR is now the sideline weapon at the moment with everyone trying new gear but due to its high clipsize it is still a force to be reckoned with but seriously ..... All 4 AR variants are stupidly OP, none perform as an Anti Shield/Armour because they all drain either HP type way too fast, for the future of Dust 514 I really hope that the playerbase can actually agree that the current weaponary is too strong and needs decreases to RoF and clip sizes I won't even bother mentioning Tanks, they are insane There not OP, the TTK is off a bit and when you add in hit detection when it is working you get a since a weapon or weapons are OP. The truth is the weapons are balanced. The CR is designed to be CQC as the RR was designed to be a long range weapon the second longest in range behind the sniper rifle. Please do not start these weapons are OP or nerf this or nerf that, I am sick of people killing this game. If you cant kill someone maybe its the player and not the weapon. Ask for the AR to be nerfed for it is OP Ask for the ScR to be nerfed for it is OP Ask for the RR to be nerfed for it is OP Ask for the CR to be nerfed for it is OP Do you notice a trend, I know I do. Its not the weapons its the fact you F***** suck This, I have maxed cr skills and use 3 complex damage mods, kills anyone extremely quickly because, well, I'm using 3 fking complex damage mods with prof 5, damn right. Level 1 forum warrior. Minmatar and Gallente fw. I sold my wife and kids to the Amarr for isk, its a valid tactic.
TechMechMeds Swamp Marines Kleenex Inc. 1757	Posted - 2013.12.14 21:25:00 - [2] - Quote TheD1CK wrote: I have used all AR variants bar the RR, And I can do well with all of them despite having little SP into the skills They are clearly too overpowered and the people disagreeing just want EZ mode all the time People who want weapons to actually kill or be killed by quickly want easy mode? I think ttk is a bit too quick right now but its actually you who wants easy mode if you want weapons to do less damage, fk it let's just have a tea party in the research lab yeah? We can shoot each other with water guns........ Level 1 forum warrior. Minmatar and Gallente fw. I sold my wife and kids to the Amarr for isk, its a valid tactic.
TechMechMeds Swamp Marines Kleenex Inc. 1758	Posted - 2013.12.14 21:40:00 - [3] - Quote BrownEye1129 wrote: TechMechMeds wrote: calvin b wrote: TheD1CK wrote: So I logged in 2 days after the update after hearing bad news from Corp members, I bought lvl1 Combat Rifle to represent the Minmatar weapons and damn, It is OP , fires super fast with bugger all recoil unless you are running/gunning melts people way faster than it should just like the SMG which I have said before has way too much DPS Watching my 500+ shield caldari squad member have his HP annihilated by the Rail Rifle wondering why I was told it has a bonus to armour DMG ..... seems like a cool weapon but is hitting way too hard The Scramblers now have to contend with the faster CR and longer range RR which is good but, despite that drawback the SR is still OP and needs whatever multiplier it base DMG on lowered And Gallente AR is now the sideline weapon at the moment with everyone trying new gear but due to its high clipsize it is still a force to be reckoned with but seriously ..... All 4 AR variants are stupidly OP, none perform as an Anti Shield/Armour because they all drain either HP type way too fast, for the future of Dust 514 I really hope that the playerbase can actually agree that the current weaponary is too strong and needs decreases to RoF and clip sizes I won't even bother mentioning Tanks, they are insane There not OP, the TTK is off a bit and when you add in hit detection when it is working you get a since a weapon or weapons are OP. The truth is the weapons are balanced. The CR is designed to be CQC as the RR was designed to be a long range weapon the second longest in range behind the sniper rifle. Please do not start these weapons are OP or nerf this or nerf that, I am sick of people killing this game. If you cant kill someone maybe its the player and not the weapon. Ask for the AR to be nerfed for it is OP Ask for the ScR to be nerfed for it is OP Ask for the RR to be nerfed for it is OP Ask for the CR to be nerfed for it is OP Do you notice a trend, I know I do. Its not the weapons its the fact you F***** suck This, I have maxed cr skills and use 3 complex damage mods, kills anyone extremely quickly because, well, I'm using 3 fking complex damage mods with prof 5, damn right. I don't think they understand that. Taking into account headshots and how (random statistic) 90% of the people QQ are running squishy suits. You have got to expect someone with Prof 5 Stacking damage mods will melt faces. Yeah that's another problem, people run cheap fits, get melted and then cry op. People need to shut up with nerfing, ttk too short? Buff suits hp across the board. Why make people unhappy when you can make everyone happy while balancing the game at the same time? Iv gotten used to the new ttk now, cqc will always be quick and brutal, we are here to kill, not dance. Level 1 forum warrior. Minmatar and Gallente fw. I sold my wife and kids to the Amarr for isk, its a valid tactic.
TechMechMeds Swamp Marines Kleenex Inc. 1758	Posted - 2013.12.14 21:45:00 - [4] - Quote Dengru wrote: BrownEye1129 wrote: TechMechMeds wrote: calvin b wrote: TheD1CK wrote: So I logged in 2 days after the update after hearing bad news from Corp members, I bought lvl1 Combat Rifle to represent the Minmatar weapons and damn, It is OP , fires super fast with bugger all recoil unless you are running/gunning melts people way faster than it should just like the SMG which I have said before has way too much DPS Watching my 500+ shield caldari squad member have his HP annihilated by the Rail Rifle wondering why I was told it has a bonus to armour DMG ..... seems like a cool weapon but is hitting way too hard The Scramblers now have to contend with the faster CR and longer range RR which is good but, despite that drawback the SR is still OP and needs whatever multiplier it base DMG on lowered And Gallente AR is now the sideline weapon at the moment with everyone trying new gear but due to its high clipsize it is still a force to be reckoned with but seriously ..... All 4 AR variants are stupidly OP, none perform as an Anti Shield/Armour because they all drain either HP type way too fast, for the future of Dust 514 I really hope that the playerbase can actually agree that the current weaponary is too strong and needs decreases to RoF and clip sizes I won't even bother mentioning Tanks, they are insane There not OP, the TTK is off a bit and when you add in hit detection when it is working you get a since a weapon or weapons are OP. The truth is the weapons are balanced. The CR is designed to be CQC as the RR was designed to be a long range weapon the second longest in range behind the sniper rifle. Please do not start these weapons are OP or nerf this or nerf that, I am sick of people killing this game. If you cant kill someone maybe its the player and not the weapon. Ask for the AR to be nerfed for it is OP Ask for the ScR to be nerfed for it is OP Ask for the RR to be nerfed for it is OP Ask for the CR to be nerfed for it is OP Do you notice a trend, I know I do. Its not the weapons its the fact you F***** suck This, I have maxed cr skills and use 3 complex damage mods, kills anyone extremely quickly because, well, I'm using 3 fking complex damage mods with prof 5, damn right. I don't think they understand that. Taking into account headshots and how (random statistic) 90% of the people QQ are running squishy suits. You have got to expect someone with Prof 5 Stacking damage mods will melt faces. but part of the issue is that you other weapons cannot match that damage output, why is that so hard to understand? Putting a dmg mod on HMG or shotgun does not raise their dmg and the considerable range disadvantages to those weapons are a further hindrances. Meanwhile, rifles can walk around annihilating or seriously wound anything they see the very moment the see it Yeah because some people are good and some are sht. Sounds like you just don't know how to play people to your advantage, you sound like the kind of guy I keep seeing that goes 1/10 with a rail gun because you bring it into cqc and I melt you with my assault cr. Level 1 forum warrior. Minmatar and Gallente fw. I sold my wife and kids to the Amarr for isk, its a valid tactic.
TechMechMeds Swamp Marines Kleenex Inc. 1758	Posted - 2013.12.14 21:46:00 - [5] - Quote calvin b wrote: Galvan Nized wrote: calvin b wrote: TheD1CK wrote: So I logged in 2 days after the update after hearing bad news from Corp members, I bought lvl1 Combat Rifle to represent the Minmatar weapons and damn, It is OP , fires super fast with bugger all recoil unless you are running/gunning melts people way faster than it should just like the SMG which I have said before has way too much DPS Watching my 500+ shield caldari squad member have his HP annihilated by the Rail Rifle wondering why I was told it has a bonus to armour DMG ..... seems like a cool weapon but is hitting way too hard The Scramblers now have to contend with the faster CR and longer range RR which is good but, despite that drawback the SR is still OP and needs whatever multiplier it base DMG on lowered And Gallente AR is now the sideline weapon at the moment with everyone trying new gear but due to its high clipsize it is still a force to be reckoned with but seriously ..... All 4 AR variants are stupidly OP, none perform as an Anti Shield/Armour because they all drain either HP type way too fast, for the future of Dust 514 I really hope that the playerbase can actually agree that the current weaponary is too strong and needs decreases to RoF and clip sizes I won't even bother mentioning Tanks, they are insane There not OP, the TTK is off a bit and when you add in hit detection when it is working you get a since a weapon or weapons are OP. The truth is the weapons are balanced. The CR is designed to be CQC as the RR was designed to be a long range weapon the second longest in range behind the sniper rifle. Please do not start these weapons are OP or nerf this or nerf that, I am sick of people killing this game. If you cant kill someone maybe its the player and not the weapon. Ask for the AR to be nerfed for it is OP Ask for the ScR to be nerfed for it is OP Ask for the RR to be nerfed for it is OP Ask for the CR to be nerfed for it is OP Do you notice a trend, I know I do. Its not the weapons its the fact you F*** suck It's not that they are OP vs each other it's the fact that rifles beat every other weapon in the game. The niche weapons like a laser rifle, shotgun, NKs, HMGs are no longer viable. The rifles are almost as good as these weapons if not better in THEIR environment. Plus the added benefit of you know crushing these in ALL other situations. AR class has almost no weakness vs every other type of weapon outside AV. You CAN'T balance like this, or you might as well get rid if those weapons. I have used almost all weapons in the game. You have to find the play style that fits the weapon. Yes the AR's can fit most roles, but none has the killing power of the SG. 1 to 2 hits and most suits are finished, yes you have to get close, but that is what makes that weapon special. Wait until the NK are fixed and you are being stabbed in the back and its over before you can turn around. The LR can be used, it is how they use the weapon, use it at its optimal range and that is long distance, stay as far back as possible and put that scope to good use. Do not get me started on the HMG, at the moment it is difficult to use, but I still can rock with it. I just know that I have to be within a certain range and shove it up your A and I win most of the time. This right here. Level 1 forum warrior. Minmatar and Gallente fw. I sold my wife and kids to the Amarr for isk, its a valid tactic.
TechMechMeds Swamp Marines Kleenex Inc. 1758	Posted - 2013.12.14 21:52:00 - [6] - Quote TheD1CK wrote: And really buff suits across the board rather than reduce weaponry ??? It is already pointless that Medium suits can almost equally tank up to Heavys HP We need the game to be role-specific not just full of high DPS weapons that out-perform everything else The fact that people can't or won't see that the weapons are killing too fast, in all racial variants shows that most players care for their own kills rather than the game being enjoyable on both sides Nerfing weapons means you'd have to be better at strafing than shooting, buffing dropsuit hp a bit ACROSS THE BOARD (that means heavies as well) means you'd survive that little bit longer but it'd have to be a small one. Level 1 forum warrior. Minmatar and Gallente fw. I sold my wife and kids to the Amarr for isk, its a valid tactic.
TechMechMeds Swamp Marines Kleenex Inc. 1758	Posted - 2013.12.14 21:53:00 - [7] - Quote BrownEye1129 wrote: The HMG is broken, the heavy suit sucks. Maybe give the heavy suit a 1% or 2% damage resistance per level. The shot gun is a 1 hit kill sometimes two or three at proper range. Scout with a shotgun should be able to out maneuver long enough to get his handful of shots off to kill. You are compareing apples to oranges. Yeah, the decent scout players still do that so what exactly is your point? Level 1 forum warrior. Minmatar and Gallente fw. I sold my wife and kids to the Amarr for isk, its a valid tactic.
TechMechMeds Swamp Marines Kleenex Inc. 1758	Posted - 2013.12.14 21:56:00 - [8] - Quote Dengru wrote: TechMechMeds wrote: Yeah because some people are good and some are sht. Sounds like you just don't know how to play people to your advantage, you sound like the kind of guy I keep seeing that goes 1/10 with a rail gun because you bring it into cqc and I melt you with my assault cr. How does it sound like I don't know how to play to my advantage when I stated that you're confined to speciffic situations with those weapons? Do you actually read what people say or are you a bot that randomly supplies blithe responses? So if you know they are confined to certain situations then what is there to moan about? What problem do you have if you know how to use them to your advantage? Level 1 forum warrior. Minmatar and Gallente fw. I sold my wife and kids to the Amarr for isk, its a valid tactic.
TechMechMeds Swamp Marines Kleenex Inc. 1758	Posted - 2013.12.14 22:01:00 - [9] - Quote And drengu I'm baffled because your a decent player, either I'm too high at the moment or you are lol. Level 1 forum warrior. Minmatar and Gallente fw. I sold my wife and kids to the Amarr for isk, its a valid tactic.
TechMechMeds Swamp Marines Kleenex Inc. 1758	Posted - 2013.12.14 22:02:00 - [10] - Quote TheD1CK wrote: I'm saying that none are confined to certain situations the RR probaly does lack in CQC, I've not yet tried but from my own POV the CR was hitting guys pretty hard even when they got outside my optimal range and even if we do buff all HP that just makes anything not AR harder to use If we nerf the ar it'd be river dance 514, I'm here to fking kill people lol Level 1 forum warrior. Minmatar and Gallente fw. I sold my wife and kids to the Amarr for isk, its a valid tactic.

TechMechMeds Swamp Marines Kleenex Inc. 1760	Posted - 2013.12.14 22:11:00 - [11] - Quote Dengru wrote: TechMechMeds wrote: Dengru wrote: TechMechMeds wrote: Yeah because some people are good and some are sht. Sounds like you just don't know how to play people to your advantage, you sound like the kind of guy I keep seeing that goes 1/10 with a rail gun because you bring it into cqc and I melt you with my assault cr. How does it sound like I don't know how to play to my advantage when I stated that you're confined to speciffic situations with those weapons? Do you actually read what people say or are you a bot that randomly supplies blithe responses? So if you know they are confined to certain situations then what is there to moan about? What problem do you have if you know how to use them to your advantage? clearly the bigger picture of balance escapes you-- continually escapes you. But how would pepole who never ever play PC learn anything balance when their experience wtih dust is just stomping on std fits all day? Thats always been the problem with people in this community. I played loafs of corp battles and loads of pc actually and always having fought the best in the game, iv just never circle jerked corps and haven't done pc since fec because its just sht. Level 1 forum warrior. Minmatar and Gallente fw. I sold my wife and kids to the Amarr for isk, its a valid tactic.
TechMechMeds Swamp Marines Kleenex Inc. 1760	Posted - 2013.12.14 22:19:00 - [12] - Quote In fact drengu part of the problem is also people like you who pass off what people say because they are not in your dust social circle, try facing imps and team players repeatedly for 2 weeks in pc? As far as I know you wasn't even playing dust then or was still a newb, I'm probably wrong because you wasn't in the social circle I was in but I'd never seen you, doesn't mean sht mate. Level 1 forum warrior. Minmatar and Gallente fw. I sold my wife and kids to the Amarr for isk, its a valid tactic.
TechMechMeds Swamp Marines Kleenex Inc. 1763	Posted - 2013.12.15 00:07:00 - [13] - Quote Dengru wrote: so you can just come in and shitpost everything people have said and then wanna stop and be serious when I talk about PC? I don't like to browbeat others, but if people wanna come in act like they are so much better than others who have thrived in particular roles for months .. then its just lol? I'm not acting like I'm so much better and we all thrive in roles, do you need a tampon lol Level 1 forum warrior. Minmatar and Gallente fw. I sold my wife and kids to the Amarr for isk, its a valid tactic.
TechMechMeds Swamp Marines Kleenex Inc. 1763	Posted - 2013.12.15 00:26:00 - [14] - Quote Cosgar wrote: Despite all the rifles, people still spam grenades... Lol, it feels cheaper than ever now to be spoammed for some reason. Level 1 forum warrior. Minmatar and Gallente fw. I sold my wife and kids to the Amarr for isk, its a valid tactic.
TechMechMeds Swamp Marines Kleenex Inc. 1765	Posted - 2013.12.15 17:05:00 - [15] - Quote TheD1CK wrote: If anyone read the title, I asked could we admit its all OP ?? the responses are a bit 50/50 but a lot of you can't accept that they are too powerful. And so you know I have used , std - adv CR since I got it with games ranging from 10+ kdr to 20 + I am having no trouble fighting others atm, but from what I have seen from my team and the enemy sides is that the weapons are too powerful and none are really specific to their role .... next all the guys against this are going to try tell me that Tanks are not OP that we should be in a game with flying HAV's and Death Ray AR's ...... sounds fun Tanks are fine, slightly up, they should be able to fly and the ar variants all need to be death ray guns. Level 1 forum warrior. Minmatar and Gallente fw. I sold my wife and kids to the Amarr for isk, its a valid tactic.
TechMechMeds Swamp Marines Kleenex Inc. 1765	Posted - 2013.12.15 17:20:00 - [16] - Quote I think the burst cr should have a wider dispersion hip firing so its not as beasty in cqc, the assault version is fun but I don't see much point in it. Level 1 forum warrior. Minmatar and Gallente fw. I sold my wife and kids to the Amarr for isk, its a valid tactic.
TechMechMeds Swamp Marines Kleenex Inc. 1766	Posted - 2013.12.15 17:44:00 - [17] - Quote DozersMouse XIII wrote: TechMechMeds wrote: I think the burst cr should have a wider dispersion hip firing so its not as beasty in cqc, the assault version is fun but I don't see much point in it. I love my std CR in tight cqc fights the assault is nice but the std gives me so many more options as a scout I hate to say it because I am wrecking anyone almost in 3 bursts proto or not but its too accurate hip firing. There I said it lol. Iv tried to make the assault work but the regular does anything it can do better. Level 1 forum warrior. Minmatar and Gallente fw. I sold my wife and kids to the Amarr for isk, its a valid tactic.
TechMechMeds Swamp Marines Kleenex Inc. 1766	Posted - 2013.12.15 17:47:00 - [18] - Quote TheD1CK wrote: TechMechMeds , whatever you are smoking over there, must be strong because all 4 are too strong it's that simple CR - it's ttk is super fast SR - charges up to much with a better fire rate than TAC AR ( Imagine the tears if the Glu-5 could place charge shots) RR - I can't post much here as I have not used it but from what I have seen, it may be tricky to use but even CQC its High DMG AR - It's still carrying way to much in a clip , 40 max it should be all four are OP, so we can all either admit it, get it sorted and enjoy Dust or we adapt or die .... which I am pretty used to at this stage of Dust but in the hope of getting new players into the game I really hope it doesn't stay that way ..... Glu 5 is a placeholder. I'd be fine with 40 in a clip but I believe the assault variant needs more in a clip to be worth choosing over the std cr. And the hip firing is definitely too accurate. I prefer adapt or die to nerfing the guns but would agree to buffing everyone's suit hp a bit across the board. Disagree to any weapon damage nerfs though. Level 1 forum warrior. Minmatar and Gallente fw. I sold my wife and kids to the Amarr for isk, its a valid tactic.
TechMechMeds Swamp Marines Kleenex Inc. 1773	Posted - 2013.12.16 14:49:00 - [19] - Quote DTOracle wrote: DozersMouse XIII wrote: really? already? Honestly AR's have been the most problematic weapons as far as balance goes, for months now. The fact that CCP decided to double the # of AR's will only serve to exacerbate the issue. The only reason there isn't more complaining is because Tanks & FW are an even bigger mess, & has most people distracted. These new rifles have been almost a year in the making, I have waited for ages for my combat riflke, now all they need to do is bring all the racial sidearms, heavy weapons, knives, heavy and light suits out. Then racial drop ships, havs and lavs. Level 1 forum warrior. Minmatar and Gallente fw. I sold my wife and kids to the Amarr for isk, its a valid tactic.