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BrownEye1129
Death In Xcess Corporation
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Posted - 2013.12.14 21:48:00 -
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The HMG is broken, the heavy suit sucks. Maybe give the heavy suit a 1% or 2% damage resistance per level. The shot gun is a 1 hit kill sometimes two or three at proper range. Scout with a shotgun should be able to out maneuver long enough to get his handful of shots off to kill. You are compareing apples to oranges. |
TheD1CK
Dead Man's Game
134
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Posted - 2013.12.14 21:48:00 -
[32] - Quote
And really buff suits across the board rather than reduce weaponry ???
It is already pointless that Medium suits can almost equally tank up to Heavys HP
We need the game to be role-specific
not just full of high DPS weapons that out-perform everything else
The fact that people can't or won't see that the weapons are killing too fast, in all racial variants
shows that most players care for their own kills rather than the game being enjoyable on both sides |
TechMechMeds
Swamp Marines
Kleenex Inc.
1758
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Posted - 2013.12.14 21:52:00 -
[33] - Quote
TheD1CK wrote:And really buff suits across the board rather than reduce weaponry ???
It is already pointless that Medium suits can almost equally tank up to Heavys HP
We need the game to be role-specific
not just full of high DPS weapons that out-perform everything else
The fact that people can't or won't see that the weapons are killing too fast, in all racial variants
shows that most players care for their own kills rather than the game being enjoyable on both sides
Nerfing weapons means you'd have to be better at strafing than shooting, buffing dropsuit hp a bit ACROSS THE BOARD (that means heavies as well) means you'd survive that little bit longer but it'd have to be a small one.
Level 1 forum warrior.
Minmatar and Gallente fw.
I sold my wife and kids to the Amarr for isk, its a valid tactic.
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BrownEye1129
Death In Xcess Corporation
131
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Posted - 2013.12.14 21:52:00 -
[34] - Quote
Scouts are not frontline. They should be surprising the enemy while they are engaged in combat. Giving the shotgun enough time to get enough (2-3) rounds in to kill. I've seen good scouts use this tatic and mow down entire squads. |
Dengru
Fatal Absolution
199
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Posted - 2013.12.14 21:53:00 -
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TechMechMeds wrote:Yeah because some people are good and some are sht. Sounds like you just don't know how to play people to your advantage, you sound like the kind of guy I keep seeing that goes 1/10 with a rail gun because you bring it into cqc and I melt you with my assault cr. 
How does it sound like I don't know how to play to my advantage when I stated that you're confined to speciffic situations with those weapons? Do you actually read what people say or are you a bot that randomly supplies blithe responses?
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TechMechMeds
Swamp Marines
Kleenex Inc.
1758
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Posted - 2013.12.14 21:53:00 -
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BrownEye1129 wrote:The HMG is broken, the heavy suit sucks. Maybe give the heavy suit a 1% or 2% damage resistance per level. The shot gun is a 1 hit kill sometimes two or three at proper range. Scout with a shotgun should be able to out maneuver long enough to get his handful of shots off to kill. You are compareing apples to oranges.
Yeah, the decent scout players still do that so what exactly is your point?
Level 1 forum warrior.
Minmatar and Gallente fw.
I sold my wife and kids to the Amarr for isk, its a valid tactic.
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TechMechMeds
Swamp Marines
Kleenex Inc.
1758
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Posted - 2013.12.14 21:56:00 -
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Dengru wrote:TechMechMeds wrote:Yeah because some people are good and some are sht. Sounds like you just don't know how to play people to your advantage, you sound like the kind of guy I keep seeing that goes 1/10 with a rail gun because you bring it into cqc and I melt you with my assault cr. How does it sound like I don't know how to play to my advantage when I stated that you're confined to speciffic situations with those weapons? Do you actually read what people say or are you a bot that randomly supplies blithe responses?
So if you know they are confined to certain situations then what is there to moan about? What problem do you have if you know how to use them to your advantage?
Level 1 forum warrior.
Minmatar and Gallente fw.
I sold my wife and kids to the Amarr for isk, its a valid tactic.
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TheD1CK
Dead Man's Game
136
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Posted - 2013.12.14 21:59:00 -
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I'm saying that none are confined to certain situations
the RR probaly does lack in CQC, I've not yet tried
but from my own POV the CR was hitting guys pretty hard even when they got outside my optimal range
and even if we do buff all HP that just makes anything not AR harder to use |
TechMechMeds
Swamp Marines
Kleenex Inc.
1758
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Posted - 2013.12.14 22:01:00 -
[39] - Quote
And drengu I'm baffled because your a decent player, either I'm too high at the moment or you are lol.
Level 1 forum warrior.
Minmatar and Gallente fw.
I sold my wife and kids to the Amarr for isk, its a valid tactic.
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Dengru
Fatal Absolution
199
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Posted - 2013.12.14 22:02:00 -
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TechMechMeds wrote:Dengru wrote:TechMechMeds wrote:Yeah because some people are good and some are sht. Sounds like you just don't know how to play people to your advantage, you sound like the kind of guy I keep seeing that goes 1/10 with a rail gun because you bring it into cqc and I melt you with my assault cr. How does it sound like I don't know how to play to my advantage when I stated that you're confined to speciffic situations with those weapons? Do you actually read what people say or are you a bot that randomly supplies blithe responses? So if you know they are confined to certain situations then what is there to moan about? What problem do you have if you know how to use them to your advantage?
clearly the bigger picture of balance escapes you-- continually escapes you. But how would pepole who never ever play PC learn anything balance when their experience wtih dust is just stomping on std fits all day? Thats always been the problem with people in this community. 
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TechMechMeds
Swamp Marines
Kleenex Inc.
1758
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Posted - 2013.12.14 22:02:00 -
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TheD1CK wrote:I'm saying that none are confined to certain situations
the RR probaly does lack in CQC, I've not yet tried
but from my own POV the CR was hitting guys pretty hard even when they got outside my optimal range
and even if we do buff all HP that just makes anything not AR harder to use
If we nerf the ar it'd be river dance 514, I'm here to fking kill people lol
Level 1 forum warrior.
Minmatar and Gallente fw.
I sold my wife and kids to the Amarr for isk, its a valid tactic.
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Killar-12
The Corporate Raiders
Top Men.
1880
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Posted - 2013.12.14 22:03:00 -
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TheD1CK wrote:I want the guns to be effective but they need fine tuning quite a bit
I specced further into the CR today and it is deadly but I really don't think I have the right to own a heavy with it
I really want Dust to improve and I am happy with the game, I havent said anything is wrong with it
It is simple, the AR weapons are overpowered by one or more of these reasons
-RoF
-Clipsize
-Range
-DPS
and it leaves little choice for other playstyles which shouldn't be the case
CCP is too incompetent to make fine tuned changes
Level 1 Forum Warrior
I'm a normal person, if I seem like a douche it's because I hate 90% of people on these forums
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BrownEye1129
Death In Xcess Corporation
131
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Posted - 2013.12.14 22:06:00 -
[43] - Quote
TheD1CK wrote:And really buff suits across the board rather than reduce weaponry ???
It is already pointless that Medium suits can almost equally tank up to Heavys HP
We need the game to be role-specific
not just full of high DPS weapons that out-perform everything else
The fact that people can't or won't see that the weapons are killing too fast, in all racial variants
shows that most players care for their own kills rather than the game being enjoyable on both sides
I agree. Weapons are killing a bit to fast but that is a TTK issue not an OP issue. People cry weapons are OP. They are suppose to flippin kill you! Reduce damage across the board or buff suit HP across the boad to had a tiny bit more TTK. |
TheD1CK
Dead Man's Game
136
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Posted - 2013.12.14 22:08:00 -
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Nerf does not mean they will be completely useless afterwards
All AR variants need to be fine tuned, atm it is too easy to use any of them
People claiming that because they can do well doesn't mean OP
are blinded by the fact that its easy, not skillful, it is easy we might as well advertise this game
to the 3+ age category if it's going to stay in this position |
TechMechMeds
Swamp Marines
Kleenex Inc.
1760
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Posted - 2013.12.14 22:11:00 -
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Dengru wrote:TechMechMeds wrote:Dengru wrote:TechMechMeds wrote:Yeah because some people are good and some are sht. Sounds like you just don't know how to play people to your advantage, you sound like the kind of guy I keep seeing that goes 1/10 with a rail gun because you bring it into cqc and I melt you with my assault cr. How does it sound like I don't know how to play to my advantage when I stated that you're confined to speciffic situations with those weapons? Do you actually read what people say or are you a bot that randomly supplies blithe responses? So if you know they are confined to certain situations then what is there to moan about? What problem do you have if you know how to use them to your advantage? clearly the bigger picture of balance escapes you-- continually escapes you. But how would pepole who never ever play PC learn anything balance when their experience wtih dust is just stomping on std fits all day? Thats always been the problem with people in this community.
I played loafs of corp battles and loads of pc actually and always having fought the best in the game, iv just never circle jerked corps and haven't done pc since fec because its just sht.
Level 1 forum warrior.
Minmatar and Gallente fw.
I sold my wife and kids to the Amarr for isk, its a valid tactic.
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TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR
F.T.U.
IMMORTAL REGIME
832
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Posted - 2013.12.14 22:19:00 -
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BrownEye1129 wrote:TechMechMeds wrote:calvin b wrote:TheD1CK wrote:So I logged in 2 days after the update after hearing bad news from Corp members,
I bought lvl1 Combat Rifle to represent the Minmatar weapons and damn,
It is OP , fires super fast with bugger all recoil unless you are running/gunning
melts people way faster than it should just like the SMG which I have said before has way too much DPS
Watching my 500+ shield caldari squad member have his HP annihilated by the Rail Rifle
wondering why I was told it has a bonus to armour DMG .....
seems like a cool weapon but is hitting way too hard
The Scramblers now have to contend with the faster CR and longer range RR which is good but,
despite that drawback the SR is still OP and needs whatever multiplier it base DMG on lowered
And Gallente AR is now the sideline weapon at the moment with everyone trying new gear but due to its high
clipsize it is still a force to be reckoned with
but seriously .....
All 4 AR variants are stupidly OP, none perform as an Anti Shield/Armour because they all
drain either HP type way too fast, for the future of Dust 514 I really hope that the playerbase can actually agree that
the current weaponary is too strong and needs decreases to RoF and clip sizes
I won't even bother mentioning Tanks, they are insane There not OP, the TTK is off a bit and when you add in hit detection when it is working you get a since a weapon or weapons are OP. The truth is the weapons are balanced. The CR is designed to be CQC as the RR was designed to be a long range weapon the second longest in range behind the sniper rifle. Please do not start these weapons are OP or nerf this or nerf that, I am sick of people killing this game. If you cant kill someone maybe its the player and not the weapon. Ask for the AR to be nerfed for it is OP Ask for the ScR to be nerfed for it is OP Ask for the RR to be nerfed for it is OP Ask for the CR to be nerfed for it is OP Do you notice a trend, I know I do. Its not the weapons its the fact you F***** suck  This, I have maxed cr skills and use 3 complex damage mods, kills anyone extremely quickly because, well, I'm using 3 fking complex damage mods with prof 5, damn right. I don't think they understand that. Taking into account headshots and how (random statistic) 90% of the people QQ are running squishy suits. You have got to expect someone with Prof 5 Stacking damage mods will melt faces.
here, have a like sir.
i personally see no issue in the new guns, and i'm a long time scout.
i personally am loving the new RR. but if i ever want to, i can kill just as much with a shotgun.
shotgun is by no means dead. it's just, what do you guys call it? a niche weapon.
the rifles aren't meant to be difficult to use. but you can tell the difference between someone with skill and someone without.
Tell me, how exactly DOES a biscuit gain Valor?
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TechMechMeds
Swamp Marines
Kleenex Inc.
1760
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Posted - 2013.12.14 22:19:00 -
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In fact drengu part of the problem is also people like you who pass off what people say because they are not in your dust social circle, try facing imps and team players repeatedly for 2 weeks in pc? As far as I know you wasn't even playing dust then or was still a newb, I'm probably wrong because you wasn't in the social circle I was in but I'd never seen you, doesn't mean sht mate.
Level 1 forum warrior.
Minmatar and Gallente fw.
I sold my wife and kids to the Amarr for isk, its a valid tactic.
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Dengru
Fatal Absolution
202
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Posted - 2013.12.14 22:50:00 -
[48] - Quote
so you can just come in and shitpost everything people have said and then wanna stop and be serious when I talk about PC?
I don't like to browbeat others, but if people wanna come in act like they are so much better than others who have thrived in particular roles for months .. then its just lol?
(>^_^)><(^.^<)
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TechMechMeds
Swamp Marines
Kleenex Inc.
1763
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Posted - 2013.12.15 00:07:00 -
[49] - Quote
Dengru wrote:so you can just come in and shitpost everything people have said and then wanna stop and be serious when I talk about PC?
I don't like to browbeat others, but if people wanna come in act like they are so much better than others who have thrived in particular roles for months .. then its just lol?
I'm not acting like I'm so much better and we all thrive in roles, do you need a tampon lol
Level 1 forum warrior.
Minmatar and Gallente fw.
I sold my wife and kids to the Amarr for isk, its a valid tactic.
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usuckatdust Vagheitan
Ancient Exiles.
Renegade Alliance
39
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Posted - 2013.12.15 00:19:00 -
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TheD1CK wrote:So I logged in 2 days after the update after hearing bad news from Corp members,
I bought lvl1 Combat Rifle to represent the Minmatar weapons and damn,
It is OP , fires super fast with bugger all recoil unless you are running/gunning
melts people way faster than it should just like the SMG which I have said before has way too much DPS
Watching my 500+ shield caldari squad member have his HP annihilated by the Rail Rifle
wondering why I was told it has a bonus to armour DMG .....
seems like a cool weapon but is hitting way too hard
The Scramblers now have to contend with the faster CR and longer range RR which is good but,
despite that drawback the SR is still OP and needs whatever multiplier it base DMG on lowered
And Gallente AR is now the sideline weapon at the moment with everyone trying new gear but due to its high
clipsize it is still a force to be reckoned with
but seriously .....
All 4 AR variants are stupidly OP, none perform as an Anti Shield/Armour because they all
drain either HP type way too fast, for the future of Dust 514 I really hope that the playerbase can actually agree that
the current weaponary is too strong and needs decreases to RoF and clip sizes
I won't even bother mentioning Tanks, they are insane
if all 4 are op. then i guess they all are balanced to eachother???
maybe just stop crying whenever you get killed by 1?
you get caught in the open by a RR. ur dead.
CB catches you face to face, ur dead
duvolle catches you semi close, ur dead.
scr catches you close-med range, ur dead.
the weapons are fine. too many infantry think they can just run around not knowing anything and when somebody gets the drop on you, wonder why you died instantly? get good ppl.
now what they should(and will) change is the tanks. |
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Cosgar
ParagonX
8686
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Posted - 2013.12.15 00:24:00 -
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Despite all the rifles, people still spam grenades...
I tried to put a level into Amarr Commando once, but got a server notification saying "Why?"
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TechMechMeds
Swamp Marines
Kleenex Inc.
1763
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Posted - 2013.12.15 00:26:00 -
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Cosgar wrote:Despite all the rifles, people still spam grenades...
Lol, it feels cheaper than ever now to be spoammed for some reason.
Level 1 forum warrior.
Minmatar and Gallente fw.
I sold my wife and kids to the Amarr for isk, its a valid tactic.
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Demon Buddah
NECROM0NGERS
Covert Intervention
83
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Posted - 2013.12.15 00:35:00 -
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usuckatdust Vagheitan wrote:TheD1CK wrote:So I logged in 2 days after the update after hearing bad news from Corp members,
I bought lvl1 Combat Rifle to represent the Minmatar weapons and damn,
It is OP , fires super fast with bugger all recoil unless you are running/gunning
melts people way faster than it should just like the SMG which I have said before has way too much DPS
Watching my 500+ shield caldari squad member have his HP annihilated by the Rail Rifle
wondering why I was told it has a bonus to armour DMG .....
seems like a cool weapon but is hitting way too hard
The Scramblers now have to contend with the faster CR and longer range RR which is good but,
despite that drawback the SR is still OP and needs whatever multiplier it base DMG on lowered
And Gallente AR is now the sideline weapon at the moment with everyone trying new gear but due to its high
clipsize it is still a force to be reckoned with
but seriously .....
All 4 AR variants are stupidly OP, none perform as an Anti Shield/Armour because they all
drain either HP type way too fast, for the future of Dust 514 I really hope that the playerbase can actually agree that
the current weaponary is too strong and needs decreases to RoF and clip sizes
I won't even bother mentioning Tanks, they are insane if all 4 are op. then i guess they all are balanced to eachother??? maybe just stop crying whenever you get killed by 1? you get caught in the open by a RR. ur dead. CB catches you face to face, ur dead duvolle catches you semi close, ur dead. scr catches you close-med range, ur dead. the weapons are fine. too many infantry think they can just run around not knowing anything and when somebody gets the drop on you, wonder why you died instantly? get good ppl. now what they should(and will) change is the tanks.
When I have a suit with over 800 armor, I shouldn't die instantly (this is one on one). These weapons are OP and of course you would say they aren't because you probably use them. Against a scout, its worse. It's just spray and pray and they're dead. I mean, where is the diversity in this game? Why are the med frames the dominate? Because it's OP and it's an easy win. AR and SCR was bad enough, now they added two more? I hardly ever see any other gun being used since the update.
I expected this game to be something like EVE, diversity. Not everyone uses the same thing. But this game is becoming just like every other shooter. Different gun, but same concept. Spray and pray, and aim assist.
I wanna see every aspect of this game being used, not just the med suits. |
Ydubbs81 RND
Ahrendee Mercenaries
EoN.
2210
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Posted - 2013.12.15 00:49:00 -
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TheD1CK wrote:So I logged in 2 days after the update after hearing bad news from Corp members,
Watching my 500+ shield caldari squad member have his HP annihilated by the Rail Rifle
Ignored the rest of the thread after reading this sentence. Totally invalidates everything you have to say.
weRideNDie2getha since 2010
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Ydubbs81 RND
Ahrendee Mercenaries
EoN.
2210
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Posted - 2013.12.15 00:50:00 -
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Demon Buddah wrote:usuckatdust Vagheitan wrote:TheD1CK wrote:So I logged in 2 days after the update after hearing bad news from Corp members,
I bought lvl1 Combat Rifle to represent the Minmatar weapons and damn,
It is OP , fires super fast with bugger all recoil unless you are running/gunning
melts people way faster than it should just like the SMG which I have said before has way too much DPS
Watching my 500+ shield caldari squad member have his HP annihilated by the Rail Rifle
wondering why I was told it has a bonus to armour DMG .....
seems like a cool weapon but is hitting way too hard
The Scramblers now have to contend with the faster CR and longer range RR which is good but,
despite that drawback the SR is still OP and needs whatever multiplier it base DMG on lowered
And Gallente AR is now the sideline weapon at the moment with everyone trying new gear but due to its high
clipsize it is still a force to be reckoned with
but seriously .....
All 4 AR variants are stupidly OP, none perform as an Anti Shield/Armour because they all
drain either HP type way too fast, for the future of Dust 514 I really hope that the playerbase can actually agree that
the current weaponary is too strong and needs decreases to RoF and clip sizes
I won't even bother mentioning Tanks, they are insane if all 4 are op. then i guess they all are balanced to eachother??? maybe just stop crying whenever you get killed by 1? you get caught in the open by a RR. ur dead. CB catches you face to face, ur dead duvolle catches you semi close, ur dead. scr catches you close-med range, ur dead. the weapons are fine. too many infantry think they can just run around not knowing anything and when somebody gets the drop on you, wonder why you died instantly? get good ppl. now what they should(and will) change is the tanks. When I have a suit with over 800 armor, I shouldn't die instantly (this is one on one). These weapons are OP and of course you would say they aren't because you probably use them. Against a scout, its worse. It's just spray and pray and they're dead. I mean, where is the diversity in this game? Why are the med frames the dominate? Because it's OP and it's an easy win. AR and SCR was bad enough, now they added two more? I hardly ever see any other gun being used since the update. I expected this game to be something like EVE, diversity. Not everyone uses the same thing. But this game is becoming just like every other shooter. Different gun, but same concept. Spray and pray, and aim assist. I wanna see every aspect of this game being used, not just the med suits.
You shouldn't even have a suit with 800 armor unless you're a heavy.
weRideNDie2getha since 2010
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ZeHealingHurts HurtingHeals
Seituoda Taskforce Command
Caldari State
655
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Posted - 2013.12.15 00:51:00 -
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It begins.
My logi-code.
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Chit Hoppened
Xer Cloud Consortium
247
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Posted - 2013.12.15 00:51:00 -
[57] - Quote
TheD1CK...
...I want my 5M ISK.
Thank you.
Bringing Heavy Metal to New Eden.
Cannon Fever Representative
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thesupertman
Better Hide R Die
56
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Posted - 2013.12.15 00:58:00 -
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Railgun is a little OP. 10% less damage to shields would be nice.
CCP should Buff the Hmg, LAZER, shotgun (range) And plasma cannon to make dust more interesting!!
I think I'm the only person still waiting for mechs/giant robot killing machines.....
dangCCPyourslowpickupthepace
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Demon Buddah
NECROM0NGERS
Covert Intervention
83
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Posted - 2013.12.15 01:21:00 -
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Ydubbs81 RND wrote:Demon Buddah wrote:usuckatdust Vagheitan wrote:TheD1CK wrote:So I logged in 2 days after the update after hearing bad news from Corp members,
I bought lvl1 Combat Rifle to represent the Minmatar weapons and damn,
It is OP , fires super fast with bugger all recoil unless you are running/gunning
melts people way faster than it should just like the SMG which I have said before has way too much DPS
Watching my 500+ shield caldari squad member have his HP annihilated by the Rail Rifle
wondering why I was told it has a bonus to armour DMG .....
seems like a cool weapon but is hitting way too hard
The Scramblers now have to contend with the faster CR and longer range RR which is good but,
despite that drawback the SR is still OP and needs whatever multiplier it base DMG on lowered
And Gallente AR is now the sideline weapon at the moment with everyone trying new gear but due to its high
clipsize it is still a force to be reckoned with
but seriously .....
All 4 AR variants are stupidly OP, none perform as an Anti Shield/Armour because they all
drain either HP type way too fast, for the future of Dust 514 I really hope that the playerbase can actually agree that
the current weaponary is too strong and needs decreases to RoF and clip sizes
I won't even bother mentioning Tanks, they are insane if all 4 are op. then i guess they all are balanced to eachother??? maybe just stop crying whenever you get killed by 1? you get caught in the open by a RR. ur dead. CB catches you face to face, ur dead duvolle catches you semi close, ur dead. scr catches you close-med range, ur dead. the weapons are fine. too many infantry think they can just run around not knowing anything and when somebody gets the drop on you, wonder why you died instantly? get good ppl. now what they should(and will) change is the tanks. When I have a suit with over 800 armor, I shouldn't die instantly (this is one on one). These weapons are OP and of course you would say they aren't because you probably use them. Against a scout, its worse. It's just spray and pray and they're dead. I mean, where is the diversity in this game? Why are the med frames the dominate? Because it's OP and it's an easy win. AR and SCR was bad enough, now they added two more? I hardly ever see any other gun being used since the update. I expected this game to be something like EVE, diversity. Not everyone uses the same thing. But this game is becoming just like every other shooter. Different gun, but same concept. Spray and pray, and aim assist. I wanna see every aspect of this game being used, not just the med suits. You shouldn't even have a suit with 800 armor unless you're a heavy.
That's not the point. The point is it shreds through 800 armor like nothing. Even in a heavy I get dropped like nothing. But, that doesn't scream OP? Of course, as an assault you wouldn't see it like that. I mean, if CCP took away your easy win what would you do? Die of course. I want diversity, not Call of Duty |
TheD1CK
Dead Man's Game
154
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Posted - 2013.12.15 16:31:00 -
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If anyone read the title, I asked could we admit its all OP ??
the responses are a bit 50/50
but a lot of you can't accept that they are too powerful.
And so you know I have used , std - adv CR since I got it
with games ranging from 10+ kdr to 20 +
I am having no trouble fighting others atm, but from what I have seen from my team and
the enemy sides is that the weapons are too powerful and none are really
specific to their role ....
next all the guys against this are going to try tell me that Tanks are not OP
that we should be in a game with flying HAV's and Death Ray AR's ......
sounds fun |
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