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Eurydice Itzhak
State Patriots Templis Dragonaors
254
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Posted - 2013.12.14 02:18:00 -
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They give too much for no sp or isk investment.
They need their cooldowns raised by 15 to 20% or their active timers reduced by the same amount.
Also they need to take a hit in base HP.
Also remove nitrous.
Suddenly balance. |
Roger Cordill
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
231
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Posted - 2013.12.14 02:19:00 -
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message from Godin: ........ no. |
Eurydice Itzhak
State Patriots Templis Dragonaors
254
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Posted - 2013.12.14 02:21:00 -
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What a well thought out post godin.
What's there to disagree with in my statement? |
Eurydice Itzhak
State Patriots Templis Dragonaors
254
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Posted - 2013.12.14 10:33:00 -
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Friendly bump. People still saying need tanks instead of nerd militia tanks and nitrous. |
ALT2 acc
The dyst0pian Corporation Zero-Day
24
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Posted - 2013.12.14 10:36:00 -
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Eurydice Itzhak wrote:Friendly bump. People still saying need tanks instead of nerd militia tanks and nitrous. english please.... |
aden slayer
Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation
590
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Posted - 2013.12.14 10:39:00 -
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There is a very good solution to change your mind.
It's called using the forge gun and teamwork. Try that and report your results. |
Eurydice Itzhak
State Patriots Templis Dragonaors
254
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Posted - 2013.12.14 10:47:00 -
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aden slayer wrote:There is a very good solution to change your mind.
It's called using the forge gun and teamwork. Try that and report your results.
I run proto tanks every match. I kill about 7 tanks per match now. I can see why people are crying, the mlt fits are just as effective as proto for less than the cost of a dropsuit. |
Aikuchi Tomaru
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
1259
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Posted - 2013.12.14 10:49:00 -
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Eurydice Itzhak wrote:aden slayer wrote:There is a very good solution to change your mind.
It's called using the forge gun and teamwork. Try that and report your results. I run proto tanks every match. I kill about 7 tanks per match now. I can see why people are crying, the mlt fits are just as effective as proto for less than the cost of a dropsuit.
Last time I checked you couldn't buy proto tanks. |
Jason Pearson
3346
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Posted - 2013.12.14 10:49:00 -
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I disagree, please take a look at my post as to balancing tanks. When you're in a tank, the biggest threat to your tank is another tank, even with your actives on. Even militia tanks can pose a threat (much like a Militia suit 'can' kill a protosuit), but are still very easy to kill, I've been in tank battles fighting 3 militia tanks with no issue, any weaker and there would be no point in running one if you saw another tank on the field.
Balancing needs to take account of everything when it comes to Tanks, the Infantry, the AVers, the Vehicles, etc.
King of the Forums // Vehicle Specialist for Hire
Laugh at the idiots crying about four BPOs being removed erryday, lul
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Eurydice Itzhak
State Patriots Templis Dragonaors
254
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Posted - 2013.12.14 10:49:00 -
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ALT2 acc wrote:Eurydice Itzhak wrote:Friendly bump. People still saying need tanks instead of nerd militia tanks and nitrous. english please....
I'm on a phone that didbt want to type "nerf." Apologies. |
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daishi mk03
BLACK-GUARD Die Fremdenlegion
509
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Posted - 2013.12.14 10:50:00 -
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Jason is so right.
Tanks differ in efficiency, not effectivity. It's fine. Eff you OP.
To know the true path, but yet, to never follow it. That is possibly the gravest sin.
The Scriptures,Book of Missions
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Eurydice Itzhak
State Patriots Templis Dragonaors
254
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Posted - 2013.12.14 10:51:00 -
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Aikuchi Tomaru wrote:Eurydice Itzhak wrote:aden slayer wrote:There is a very good solution to change your mind.
It's called using the forge gun and teamwork. Try that and report your results. I run proto tanks every match. I kill about 7 tanks per match now. I can see why people are crying, the mlt fits are just as effective as proto for less than the cost of a dropsuit. Last time I checked you couldn't buy proto tanks.
Jesus ******* Christ. Std tank. Proto modules. Proto turret.
It should be evident. |
Eurydice Itzhak
State Patriots Templis Dragonaors
254
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Posted - 2013.12.14 10:53:00 -
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Jason Pearson wrote:I disagree, please take a look at my post as to balancing tanks. When you're in a tank, the biggest threat to your tank is another tank, even with your actives on. Even militia tanks can pose a threat (much like a Militia suit 'can' kill a protosuit), but are still very easy to kill, I've been in tank battles fighting 3 militia tanks with no issue, any weaker and there would be no point in running one if you saw another tank on the field. Balancing needs to take account of everything when it comes to Tanks, the Infantry, the AVers, the Vehicles, etc. With av's new role of supplementing tanks instead of soloing them its not right that a mlt tank has this sort of stopping power while being 100% as effective as a protod out tank just with longer cooldowns.
Keep in mind pearson while i dont have as much as sp as you im 15m deep into caldari tanks and have done nothing but use vehicles since January. |
Aikuchi Tomaru
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
1259
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Posted - 2013.12.14 10:54:00 -
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Eurydice Itzhak wrote:Aikuchi Tomaru wrote:Eurydice Itzhak wrote:aden slayer wrote:There is a very good solution to change your mind.
It's called using the forge gun and teamwork. Try that and report your results. I run proto tanks every match. I kill about 7 tanks per match now. I can see why people are crying, the mlt fits are just as effective as proto for less than the cost of a dropsuit. Last time I checked you couldn't buy proto tanks. Jesus ******* Christ. Std tank. Proto modules. Proto turret. It should be evident.
Now do you think militia tanks should be nerfed, or militia modules and turrets? |
Eurydice Itzhak
State Patriots Templis Dragonaors
254
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Posted - 2013.12.14 10:56:00 -
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Aikuchi Tomaru wrote:Eurydice Itzhak wrote:Aikuchi Tomaru wrote:Eurydice Itzhak wrote:aden slayer wrote:There is a very good solution to change your mind.
It's called using the forge gun and teamwork. Try that and report your results. I run proto tanks every match. I kill about 7 tanks per match now. I can see why people are crying, the mlt fits are just as effective as proto for less than the cost of a dropsuit. Last time I checked you couldn't buy proto tanks. Jesus ******* Christ. Std tank. Proto modules. Proto turret. It should be evident. Now do you think militia tanks should be nerfed, or militia modules and turrets?
If you could read the OP you'd know im calling for both. Everything but the turret. This lets them be useful for newb tankers but not too useful where people are abandoning proto dropsuits for mlt tanks. |
Jason Pearson
3346
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Posted - 2013.12.14 11:01:00 -
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Eurydice Itzhak wrote:Jason Pearson wrote:I disagree, please take a look at my post as to balancing tanks. When you're in a tank, the biggest threat to your tank is another tank, even with your actives on. Even militia tanks can pose a threat (much like a Militia suit 'can' kill a protosuit), but are still very easy to kill, I've been in tank battles fighting 3 militia tanks with no issue, any weaker and there would be no point in running one if you saw another tank on the field. Balancing needs to take account of everything when it comes to Tanks, the Infantry, the AVers, the Vehicles, etc. With av's new role of supplementing tanks instead of soloing them its not right that a mlt tank has this sort of stopping power while being 100% as effective as a protod out tank just with longer cooldowns. Keep in mind pearson while i dont have as much as sp as you im 15m deep into caldari tanks and have done nothing but use vehicles since January.
Most Militia tanks don't run with anything other than the default gear, and if they add anything its going to be a hardener, which is 100 seconds cooldown for militia iirc, meaning they have 24 seconds of being strong, a minute and a half of running away. And their stopping power, their running militia turrets which aren't nearly as strong as what others are running. If you see a militia tank constantly harassing, with a turret better than militia, then they've invested SP and ISK, just like a standard tank.
King of the Forums // Vehicle Specialist for Hire
Laugh at the idiots crying about four BPOs being removed erryday, lul
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aden slayer
Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation
590
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Posted - 2013.12.14 11:01:00 -
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Eurydice Itzhak wrote:aden slayer wrote:There is a very good solution to change your mind.
It's called using the forge gun and teamwork. Try that and report your results. I run proto tanks every match. I kill about 7 tanks per match now. I can see why people are crying, the mlt fits are just as effective as proto for less than the cost of a dropsuit.
Don't change the subject.
You started this thread with a claim that mlt tanks are OP. Your statement is only half-right, they are powerful but not indestructible.All tanks can be killed with enough firepower and planning. But the problem is most people have AV weapons but don't use them,
So please stop acting like mlt tanks are gods because they are not.
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Eurydice Itzhak
State Patriots Templis Dragonaors
254
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Posted - 2013.12.14 11:05:00 -
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aden slayer wrote:Eurydice Itzhak wrote:aden slayer wrote:There is a very good solution to change your mind.
It's called using the forge gun and teamwork. Try that and report your results. I run proto tanks every match. I kill about 7 tanks per match now. I can see why people are crying, the mlt fits are just as effective as proto for less than the cost of a dropsuit. Don't change the subject. You started this thread with a claim that mlt tanks are OP. Your statement is only half-right, they are powerful but not indestructible.All tanks can be killed with enough firepower and planning. But the problem is most people have AV weapons but don't use them, So please stop acting like mlt tanks are gods because they are not. You realize a mlt tank is 100% as effective as my tank with full proto modules right? Their modules have the same output they just have longer cooldowns.
There's a reason people with 0 sp in tanks are using tanks my friend. They have 0 incentive to skill up because mlt tanks dunk in pubs. |
Operative 1171 Aajli
Bragian Order Amarr Empire
838
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Posted - 2013.12.14 11:08:00 -
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Eurydice Itzhak wrote:They give too much for no sp or isk investment.
They need their cooldowns raised by 15 to 20% or their active timers reduced by the same amount.
Also they need to take a hit in base HP.
Also remove nitrous.
Suddenly balance.
The tank doesn't affect the active mods. Skills and mod tier do.
Do your part. Join the revolution. Sabotage FW. Help this game burn!
BURN DUST 2014
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Aikuchi Tomaru
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
1260
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Posted - 2013.12.14 11:23:00 -
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Eurydice Itzhak wrote:aden slayer wrote:Eurydice Itzhak wrote:aden slayer wrote:There is a very good solution to change your mind.
It's called using the forge gun and teamwork. Try that and report your results. I run proto tanks every match. I kill about 7 tanks per match now. I can see why people are crying, the mlt fits are just as effective as proto for less than the cost of a dropsuit. Don't change the subject. You started this thread with a claim that mlt tanks are OP. Your statement is only half-right, they are powerful but not indestructible.All tanks can be killed with enough firepower and planning. But the problem is most people have AV weapons but don't use them, So please stop acting like mlt tanks are gods because they are not. You realize a mlt tank is 100% as effective as my tank with full proto modules right? Their modules have the same output they just have longer cooldowns. There's a reason people with 0 sp in tanks are using tanks my friend. They have 0 incentive to skill up because mlt tanks dunk in pubs.
Or maybe they are using them because finally even a militia tank has a purpose and isn't money right down the drain? |
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aden slayer
Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation
591
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Posted - 2013.12.14 11:27:00 -
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Eurydice Itzhak wrote:aden slayer wrote:Eurydice Itzhak wrote:aden slayer wrote:There is a very good solution to change your mind.
It's called using the forge gun and teamwork. Try that and report your results. I run proto tanks every match. I kill about 7 tanks per match now. I can see why people are crying, the mlt fits are just as effective as proto for less than the cost of a dropsuit. Don't change the subject. You started this thread with a claim that mlt tanks are OP. Your statement is only half-right, they are powerful but not indestructible.All tanks can be killed with enough firepower and planning. But the problem is most people have AV weapons but don't use them, So please stop acting like mlt tanks are gods because they are not. You realize a mlt tank is 100% as effective as my tank with full proto modules right? Their modules have the same output they just have longer cooldowns. There's a reason people with 0 sp in tanks are using tanks my friend. They have 0 incentive to skill up because mlt tanks dunk in pubs.
Again you give false info. mlt tanks are nowhere near the level of effectiveness as compared to a tank with proto modules. If they really are please explain to me why i saw 3 mlt tanks get burn down by AV weapons in 1 match. The power of a tank is determined by the skill of the user.
But since you are so in to your opinion i will give you another scenario.
If i give the Best tank driver in this game a mlt tank to use, will he suck? If i give the Worst tank driver in this a tank with proto modules to use, will he be better?
Now explain these scenarios to me with logic or we should never have this conversation again. |
Our Deepest Regret
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
370
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Posted - 2013.12.14 12:03:00 -
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So, I ran with a few squads today. In the first group, before we got started, I wrote something to the effect of "I'm going to spam Somas like a son of a *****. Who needs skill when you've got money?" Clearly a joke, right? It got real quiet in chat, though.
In our pub skirmish match, much to my disappointment, there were two friggin' mardrugars in that game that were good. I ended up spending the round fighting them in my Gunny, whilst my teammates in their somas died a bunch of times while racking up kills with their blaster turrets. I ended up killing the Maddys, and being killed in return. I ended the game at 2-2. I was jubilant! What great team work. Alternating between hunter and prey was quite the adrenaline rush!
We lost the game. Oh, well, it was still a lot of fun.
When we're back in chat, Lord Puffington goes on this rant about the unalienable goodness of somas. He points to his 11-6 which he got by shooting at people who couldn't fight back, and still managing to die somehow, as proof that I'm full of **** for my "No skill" jest. I'm flabbergasted. Did I not just contribute to his success by keeping two capable tanks off his dumb arse? Apparently it didn't matter. "U SUCk" seethed his lordship in righteous anger, before abruptly departing our squad to grace more receptive commoners with his puffy goodness. I confess to being taken aback, both by his lack of humor, and his utterly serious demeanor. "Our Deepest Regret," I said to myself in confusion. "Is that tw-t being serious?"
He was. Oh, yes. He was. And his attitude was far from uncommon.
And then it occurred to me that with the broken dynamic betwixt militia HAV pricing and performance, this arrogant gash was going to keep on going 11-5 against helpless cunnies who couldn't fight back, whilst continuing to convince himself that he was earning those kills with "skill," and "talent" instead of: "Park at objective A-through-D and spam your militia blaster turret until that red line fills the meter, then wait eight seconds and do it again."
Oh, he'd certainly run into pub players who won't take that nonsense. Sever true blood would probably hang him from a coat hook by his anus. Nyain San would go "tee-hee-hee," while pissing on the burning remains of his Soma. Hell, he might even run into squad B and get taken out by a quasi-internet celebrity. Didn't matter though. Because IN HIS MIND, they would just be exploiters and cheats, and he, Lord Puffington, would be in the right, because HE WAS LORD PUFFINGTON. And his Soma could do no wrong.
And now, it grows late, and I find myself ruminating on the possibility of his Lordship, and those who think like him. Where did this batch of vile c-words spring from, who dare believe they deserve their easy kills, and their inexpensive deaths? Are they a wart on the tip of the vehicle users community, or the face of the future? |
CrotchGrab 360
Caldari State
524
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Posted - 2013.12.14 12:08:00 -
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god dam nerds in their nerd tanks.
You've Been Hit By
You've Been Struck By
A Smooth Criminal
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Eurydice Itzhak
State Patriots Templis Dragonaors
255
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Posted - 2013.12.14 19:47:00 -
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aden slayer wrote:Eurydice Itzhak wrote:aden slayer wrote:Eurydice Itzhak wrote:aden slayer wrote:There is a very good solution to change your mind.
It's called using the forge gun and teamwork. Try that and report your results. I run proto tanks every match. I kill about 7 tanks per match now. I can see why people are crying, the mlt fits are just as effective as proto for less than the cost of a dropsuit. Don't change the subject. You started this thread with a claim that mlt tanks are OP. Your statement is only half-right, they are powerful but not indestructible.All tanks can be killed with enough firepower and planning. But the problem is most people have AV weapons but don't use them, So please stop acting like mlt tanks are gods because they are not. You realize a mlt tank is 100% as effective as my tank with full proto modules right? Their modules have the same output they just have longer cooldowns. There's a reason people with 0 sp in tanks are using tanks my friend. They have 0 incentive to skill up because mlt tanks dunk in pubs. Again you give false info. mlt tanks are nowhere near the level of effectiveness as compared to a tank with proto modules. If they really are please explain to me why i saw 3 mlt tanks get burn down by AV weapons in 1 match. The power of a tank is determined by the skill of the user. But since you are so in to your opinion i will give you another scenario. If i give the Best tank driver in this game a mlt tank to use, will he suck? If i give the Worst tank driver in this a tank with proto modules to use, will he be better? Now explain these scenarios to me with logic or we should never have this conversation again.
Mlt shield hardener. 60% resistance. Baisc. 60%. Enhanced. 60% Complex shield hardener. 60% resistance.
They are the exact same aside from the complex having longer active and shorter cd.
Same thing with boosters and every other module.
If I was in a sica I shouldnt be 100% as effective as a gunnlogi. the modules all have the same effectiveness.
Imagine if a dropsuit module for shield extenders. Mlt gave 66 shields. Complex gave 66 shields. No one in their right mind would field the complex. |
Seymor Krelborn
DUST University Ivy League
1481
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Posted - 2013.12.14 19:48:00 -
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Roger Cordill wrote:message from Godin: ........ yes.
fixed your typo.
CCp's newest joke, making setting off your own remote explosives in FW FF... awesome job ccp.
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Justin Tymes
Dem Durrty Boyz Renegade Alliance
545
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Posted - 2013.12.14 19:50:00 -
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Aikuchi Tomaru wrote:Eurydice Itzhak wrote:aden slayer wrote:Eurydice Itzhak wrote:aden slayer wrote:There is a very good solution to change your mind.
It's called using the forge gun and teamwork. Try that and report your results. I run proto tanks every match. I kill about 7 tanks per match now. I can see why people are crying, the mlt fits are just as effective as proto for less than the cost of a dropsuit. Don't change the subject. You started this thread with a claim that mlt tanks are OP. Your statement is only half-right, they are powerful but not indestructible.All tanks can be killed with enough firepower and planning. But the problem is most people have AV weapons but don't use them, So please stop acting like mlt tanks are gods because they are not. You realize a mlt tank is 100% as effective as my tank with full proto modules right? Their modules have the same output they just have longer cooldowns. There's a reason people with 0 sp in tanks are using tanks my friend. They have 0 incentive to skill up because mlt tanks dunk in pubs. Or maybe they are using them because finally even a militia tank has a purpose and isn't money right down the drain?
More like using Infantry right now puts you at a disadvantage, and needing proto AV to combat militia tanks is just money down the drain.
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Eurydice Itzhak
State Patriots Templis Dragonaors
258
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Posted - 2013.12.14 19:53:00 -
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I'm in the viewpoint of AV is fine. Mlt tanks need a nerfing.
Av and vehicles need to work in conjuction to take out vehicles.
Its a wonderful day. |
Flix Keptick
Red Star. EoN.
1635
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Posted - 2013.12.14 19:53:00 -
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The thing that's op is the ability to spam 7 of them in a match. 1 militia tank on it's own isn't op, it's the pack of 5 that is. CCP should limit the amount of tanks per match to something like 4
Making AV an actual role
G˙åTank DriverG˙å
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Eurydice Itzhak
State Patriots Templis Dragonaors
258
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Posted - 2013.12.14 19:58:00 -
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Flix Keptick wrote:The thing that's op is the ability to spam 7 of them in a match. 1 militia tank on it's own isn't op, it's the pack of 5 that is. CCP should limit the amount of tanks per match to something like 4
Meh. I would hate joining a match and being unable to use my 15m sp into vehicles.
I think nerfing mlt tanks and increasing the cost would go a long way to stop "tank spamming" |
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