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Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. Public Disorder. 2287	Posted - 2013.12.13 17:37:00 - [1] - Quote They need participation to look at the data. But these updated LP payouts for standings are just simply not going to cut it. CCP has a history of responding to player outrage. This is something I believe we can all agree on. These payouts are crap. And this was the one area that had created some enthusiasm for the game. Don't play FW until they agree to make the grind for standings worthwhile. Remove time in battle from ISK payout formula and provide a bonus to winning team... Watch battles become fun again.
Reav Hannari Red Rock Outriders 2222	Posted - 2013.12.13 17:38:00 - [2] - Quote I stand with Thor. // Adapt or Die // Matari Logistics / Scout / Dropship Crash Tester // @ReesNoturana
KatanaPT Tech Guard RISE of LEGION 426	Posted - 2013.12.13 17:39:00 - [3] - Quote Quite honestly, ill take the route of a true merc, i'm doing ALL factions, yay! Tech Guard Recruiting Spot
Lynn Beck Granite Mercenary Division Top Men. 336	Posted - 2013.12.13 17:41:00 - [4] - Quote I'm with katana. If they find that nobody is leveling to 10, then they might reconsider Under 28db Officially nerfproof (predicting CR nerf February '14) I haz knife. Me get steak?
Zekain K Expert Intervention Caldari State 802	Posted - 2013.12.13 17:42:00 - [5] - Quote I don't want to play, and lose dozens of caldari fw battles just so I can buy 5 special rifles. *CALDARI MASTER RACE*
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. Public Disorder. 2292	Posted - 2013.12.13 17:44:00 - [6] - Quote This is their new toy. If nobody plays with it they will reconsider Remove time in battle from ISK payout formula and provide a bonus to winning team... Watch battles become fun again.
Sana Rayya WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL Top Men. 549	Posted - 2013.12.13 17:45:00 - [7] - Quote I never play FW anyway so I can get behind this.
Joel II X Lo-Tech Solutions Ltd 321	Posted - 2013.12.13 17:46:00 - [8] - Quote I have approx. 5k LP and the only thing I use it for is getting proto scouts that I'm not willing to use at the moment. Soooo HTFU and GG?
Sick Metagamer Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic 8	Posted - 2013.12.13 17:46:00 - [9] - Quote Here is the thing CCP don't get: if they boost the payout to say 5000LP at Level 10, EVERYONE at level 10 would buy the LP Boosters all of the time because they would be worth the dollar investment. This is one mechanic where CCP could make a crap load of money if done right. Low reward for FW is killing their chance to make cash. I have become stingy with my money and Dust, but if FW was worth it, I would blow money on the boosters.
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. Public Disorder. 2292	Posted - 2013.12.13 17:46:00 - [10] - Quote Sana Rayya wrote: I never play FW anyway so I can get behind this. well that works Remove time in battle from ISK payout formula and provide a bonus to winning team... Watch battles become fun again.

Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 4707	Posted - 2013.12.13 17:47:00 - [11] - Quote /signed Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives. Tuna > Tacos
Mr CreepyPasta DUST University Ivy League 28	Posted - 2013.12.13 17:48:00 - [12] - Quote I'm going to continue slaughtering Caldari scum as they foolishly attempt to hold some ground. why boycott i mean seriously FW or not you still grind for gear so why not just get over it and up your standing for less grind
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. Public Disorder. 2295	Posted - 2013.12.13 17:48:00 - [13] - Quote Sick Metagamer wrote: Here is the thing CCP don't get: if they boost the payout to say 5000LP at Level 10, EVERYONE at level 10 would buy the LP Boosters all of the time because they would be worth the dollar investment. This is one mechanic where CCP could make a crap load of money if done right. Low reward for FW is killing their chance to make cash. I have become stingy with my money and Dust, but if FW was worth it, I would blow money on the boosters. This is pretty apparent for people with functioning brains Remove time in battle from ISK payout formula and provide a bonus to winning team... Watch battles become fun again.
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. Public Disorder. 2295	Posted - 2013.12.13 17:49:00 - [14] - Quote Mr CreepyPasta wrote: I'm going to continue slaughtering Caldari scum as they foolishly attempt to hold some ground. why boycott i mean seriously FW or not you still grind for gear so why not just get over it and up your standing for less grind Go for it man, but I value my time more. I also want to see the game succeed. Remove time in battle from ISK payout formula and provide a bonus to winning team... Watch battles become fun again.
Mr CreepyPasta DUST University Ivy League 28	Posted - 2013.12.13 17:50:00 - [15] - Quote Sick Metagamer wrote: Here is the thing CCP don't get: if they boost the payout to say 5000LP at Level 10, EVERYONE at level 10 would buy the LP Boosters all of the time because they would be worth the dollar investment. This is one mechanic where CCP could make a crap load of money if done right. Low reward for FW is killing their chance to make cash. I have become stingy with my money and Dust, but if FW was worth it, I would blow money on the boosters. yea! CCP is definitely in it for the money! ( sarcasm :P )
Zekain K Expert Intervention Caldari State 803	Posted - 2013.12.13 17:50:00 - [16] - Quote Sick Metagamer wrote: Here is the thing CCP don't get: if they boost the payout to say 5000LP at Level 10, EVERYONE at level 10 would buy the LP Boosters all of the time because they would be worth the dollar investment. This is one mechanic where CCP could make a crap load of money if done right. Low reward for FW is killing their chance to make cash. I have become stingy with my money and Dust, but if FW was worth it, I would blow money on the boosters. Or they could leave the low payout , and make the boosters reward you with 200% more lp. *CALDARI not so MASTER RACE*
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. Public Disorder. 2295	Posted - 2013.12.13 17:51:00 - [17] - Quote Mr CreepyPasta wrote: Sick Metagamer wrote: Here is the thing CCP don't get: if they boost the payout to say 5000LP at Level 10, EVERYONE at level 10 would buy the LP Boosters all of the time because they would be worth the dollar investment. This is one mechanic where CCP could make a crap load of money if done right. Low reward for FW is killing their chance to make cash. I have become stingy with my money and Dust, but if FW was worth it, I would blow money on the boosters. yea! CCP is definitely in it for the money! ( sarcasm :P ) Why the sarcasm, they are a business? The last I checked Iceland wasn't in North Korea. Remove time in battle from ISK payout formula and provide a bonus to winning team... Watch battles become fun again.
ZiwZih Seraphim Initiative.. 287	Posted - 2013.12.13 17:52:00 - [18] - Quote Beining a skinny step-clone of Federation, I am worthless if not well dressed. Yet those bastards want to pay us in beans, even after hundreds of wins. Screw you.
Mr CreepyPasta DUST University Ivy League 28	Posted - 2013.12.13 17:53:00 - [19] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: Mr CreepyPasta wrote: I'm going to continue slaughtering Caldari scum as they foolishly attempt to hold some ground. why boycott i mean seriously FW or not you still grind for gear so why not just get over it and up your standing for less grind Go for it man, but I value my time more. I also want to see the game succeed. as do i, and i know it will succeed.
Awesome Pantaloons Tech Guard RISE of LEGION 172	Posted - 2013.12.13 17:56:00 - [20] - Quote And while we're on the topic of FW, what happened to Amarr? Minmatar forces rarely beat us, and now we're getting hammered into the ground. I struggled just to get to level 1 standings. :( FW is just awful all of the sudden, and the reward is far below the loss. "The Wrath of God is Immense. His Justice is Swift and Decisive. His Tolerance is Limited." -The Code of Demeanor

Mr CreepyPasta DUST University Ivy League 28	Posted - 2013.12.13 17:56:00 - [21] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: Mr CreepyPasta wrote: Sick Metagamer wrote: Here is the thing CCP don't get: if they boost the payout to say 5000LP at Level 10, EVERYONE at level 10 would buy the LP Boosters all of the time because they would be worth the dollar investment. This is one mechanic where CCP could make a crap load of money if done right. Low reward for FW is killing their chance to make cash. I have become stingy with my money and Dust, but if FW was worth it, I would blow money on the boosters. yea! CCP is definitely in it for the money! ( sarcasm :P ) Why the sarcasm, they are a business? The last I checked Iceland wasn't in North Korea. i know they are a business but if they were in it for the money do you think DUST would be F2P or Pay 2 Play and Pay 2 Win ( ok the sarcasm was unnecessary)
Lv2spd2 Slow And Old 125	Posted - 2013.12.13 17:57:00 - [22] - Quote Sorry, publics are such a mess right now with the tank disaster that I don't enjoy them, so for me its pretty much factionals or nothing right now.
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. Public Disorder. 2296	Posted - 2013.12.13 17:59:00 - [23] - Quote Mr CreepyPasta wrote: Thor Odinson42 wrote: Mr CreepyPasta wrote: Sick Metagamer wrote: Here is the thing CCP don't get: if they boost the payout to say 5000LP at Level 10, EVERYONE at level 10 would buy the LP Boosters all of the time because they would be worth the dollar investment. This is one mechanic where CCP could make a crap load of money if done right. Low reward for FW is killing their chance to make cash. I have become stingy with my money and Dust, but if FW was worth it, I would blow money on the boosters. yea! CCP is definitely in it for the money! ( sarcasm :P ) Why the sarcasm, they are a business? The last I checked Iceland wasn't in North Korea. i know they are a business but if they were in it for the money do you think DUST would be F2P or Pay 2 Play and Pay 2 Win ( ok the sarcasm was unnecessary) I'm honestly not even going to attempt to explain to you the concept of F2P and microtransactions. They aren't doing this out of good will. Remove time in battle from ISK payout formula and provide a bonus to winning team... Watch battles become fun again.
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. Public Disorder. 2296	Posted - 2013.12.13 18:00:00 - [24] - Quote Lv2spd2 wrote: Sorry, publics are such a mess right now with the tank disaster that I don't enjoy them, so for me its pretty much factionals or nothing right now. No worries, if I could I might try to hold you down or kidnap you or something but I can't. Remove time in battle from ISK payout formula and provide a bonus to winning team... Watch battles become fun again.
We are 138 Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 456	Posted - 2013.12.13 18:03:00 - [25] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: They need participation to look at the data. But these updated LP payouts for standings are just simply not going to cut it. CCP has a history of responding to player outrage. This is something I believe we can all agree on. These payouts are crap. And this was the one area that had created some enthusiasm for the game. Don't play FW until they agree to make the grind for standings worthwhile. ***** until you get what you want..... great plan.
Sgt Kirk SyNergy Gaming EoN. 3527	Posted - 2013.12.13 18:03:00 - [26] - Quote AFK farming Pubs now. What the hell am I doing with my life. Ohh yeah, Pubs suck, PC is garbage and the only mode that's actually fun pays you nothing. Wonderful game you got going on here CCP.
ZiwZih Seraphim Initiative.. 287	Posted - 2013.12.13 18:05:00 - [27] - Quote Awesome Pantaloons wrote: And while we're on the topic of FW, what happened to Amarr? Minmatar forces rarely beat us, and now we're getting hammered into the ground. I struggled just to get to level 1 standings. :( FW is just awful all of the sudden, and the reward is far below the loss. What happened to Amarr? Seems your god sent lolLP rewards upon us, so now when we all quit you might finally beat the rust.
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. Public Disorder. 2296	Posted - 2013.12.13 18:05:00 - [28] - Quote We are 138 wrote: Thor Odinson42 wrote: They need participation to look at the data. But these updated LP payouts for standings are just simply not going to cut it. CCP has a history of responding to player outrage. This is something I believe we can all agree on. These payouts are crap. And this was the one area that had created some enthusiasm for the game. Don't play FW until they agree to make the grind for standings worthwhile. ***** until you get what you want..... great plan. I agree, thanks. It worked in Eve Remove time in battle from ISK payout formula and provide a bonus to winning team... Watch battles become fun again.
Morathi III Policeman of the Federation 80	Posted - 2013.12.13 18:08:00 - [29] - Quote Sgt Kirk wrote: AFK farming Pubs now. What the hell am I doing with my life. Ohh yeah, Pubs suck, PC is garbage and the only mode that's actually fun pays you nothing. Wonderful game you got going on here CCP. I want a 1 vs 1 against you in Gallente FW The winner get kick for the day in FW!!!!
Llast 326 An Arkhos 812	Posted - 2013.12.13 18:09:00 - [30] - Quote Morathi III wrote: Sgt Kirk wrote: AFK farming Pubs now. What the hell am I doing with my life. Ohh yeah, Pubs suck, PC is garbage and the only mode that's actually fun pays you nothing. Wonderful game you got going on here CCP. I want a 1 vs 1 against you in Gallente FW The winner get kick for the day in FW!!!! You just made me realize that we can do organized death matches in FW simply by squaring up Edit squading GÇª not squaring KRRROOOOOOM

stlcarlos989 SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 540	Posted - 2013.12.13 18:13:00 - [31] - Quote I'm also done I got a thread with tally of player who are quitting going.
Gorra Snell The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 315	Posted - 2013.12.13 18:19:00 - [32] - Quote I may not completely stop, but I'd been running nothing but FW since Tuesday morning, and now...eh, I don't know. There's been more intensity and organization in FW than in pubs, which was fun, but I suspect that atmosphere will quickly fade when everyone realizes it's in their best interest to stick with pubs. RDVs are a failed experiment - can't we just remove them from the game?
Ares 514 D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 179	Posted - 2013.12.13 18:21:00 - [33] - Quote I'm done with FW, till they fix the FF limit that causes you to get kicked for no damn reason (somehow i damaged myself?!). It was already an ISK sink, but loosing a days work and dealing with those blueberries in bloody skirmishes are not worth it. Good luck with your Win/Loss ratio in FW Skirmishes, the blueberries there are dumber then usual, and that's saying something! Team deploy could fix that problem though. Please fix the mic bubble bug...
Zero Harpuia Turalyon 514 Turalyon Alliance 1354	Posted - 2013.12.13 18:21:00 - [34] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: Mr CreepyPasta wrote: Thor Odinson42 wrote: Mr CreepyPasta wrote: Sick Metagamer wrote: Here is the thing CCP don't get: if they boost the payout to say 5000LP at Level 10, EVERYONE at level 10 would buy the LP Boosters all of the time because they would be worth the dollar investment. This is one mechanic where CCP could make a crap load of money if done right. Low reward for FW is killing their chance to make cash. I have become stingy with my money and Dust, but if FW was worth it, I would blow money on the boosters. yea! CCP is definitely in it for the money! ( sarcasm :P ) Why the sarcasm, they are a business? The last I checked Iceland wasn't in North Korea. i know they are a business but if they were in it for the money do you think DUST would be F2P or Pay 2 Play and Pay 2 Win ( ok the sarcasm was unnecessary) I'm honestly not even going to attempt to explain to you the concept of F2P and microtransactions. They aren't doing this out of good will. Let the Extra Credits guys do it for you. Talking to this guy is fruitless, so just show him an example. DUST is NOT Pay 2 Win, as CCP does not sell power. They sell convenience and time-savers. As for the OP... sure, why not. My squad leader has been kicked every damn day since we started FW, so maybe I'll grab a few Somas and Sicas and see what all the hub-bub about HAVs is. I'll probably give several people much-needed catharsis with my repeated explosions, but at least someone will be having fun then :3 Shields as Weapons
NAV HIV The Generals General Tso's Alliance 606	Posted - 2013.12.13 18:22:00 - [35] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: They need participation to look at the data. But these updated LP payouts for standings are just simply not going to cut it. CCP has a history of responding to player outrage. This is something I believe we can all agree on. These payouts are crap. And this was the one area that had created some enthusiasm for the game. Don't play FW until they agree to make the grind for standings worthwhile. +1
Operative 1171 Aajli Bragian Order Amarr Empire 835	Posted - 2013.12.13 18:22:00 - [36] - Quote I saw this coming. Read the sig. Do your part. Join the revolution. Sabotage FW. Help this game burn! BURN DUST 2014
kayn TARON SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 27	Posted - 2013.12.13 18:23:00 - [37] - Quote Signed not even worth the time to do mess with. Even at level 10 it wouldn't even cover a good players losses who may die once or twice. Dust is marketed as an FPS/MMO. Can you name me one MMO that does not have a functional online friends list or PVE? lol
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. Public Disorder. 2301	Posted - 2013.12.13 18:23:00 - [38] - Quote Gorra Snell wrote: I may not completely stop, but I'd been running nothing but FW since Tuesday morning, and now...eh, I don't know. There's been more intensity and organization in FW than in pubs, which was fun, but I suspect that atmosphere will quickly fade when everyone realizes it's in their best interest to stick with pubs. Agreed, I think it will take care of itself. But I figured this can't hurt (unless I get a timeout). Remove time in battle from ISK payout formula and provide a bonus to winning team... Watch battles become fun again.
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. Public Disorder. 2301	Posted - 2013.12.13 18:24:00 - [39] - Quote Operative 1171 Aajli wrote: I saw this coming. Read the sig. I don't want to help this game burn. I love this game. Remove time in battle from ISK payout formula and provide a bonus to winning team... Watch battles become fun again.
Lorhak Gannarsein 690	Posted - 2013.12.13 18:25:00 - [40] - Quote I'm done with FW for sure. Capped out on that shit faster than I've capped out in months (not that I've capped for three weeks). I'm probably not going to cap out next week. >Cosgar: You know, tanks are actually paper thin once their modules are in cooldown.

Sgt Buttscratch 1135	Posted - 2013.12.13 18:26:00 - [41] - Quote dunno bout you guys, but I love loosing 3-10 160k (480,000-1.6million ISK) scout suits just to get a federation specialist shotgun. I stick my weiner in two buns and and then give it the gas Sour cream from my spleen into Levi jeans
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. Public Disorder. 2302	Posted - 2013.12.13 18:28:00 - [42] - Quote Sgt Buttscratch wrote: dunno bout you guys, but I love loosing 3-10 160k (480,000-1.6million ISK) scout suits just to get a federation specialist shotgun. But we need an ISK sink man. Just throw your money away. Remove time in battle from ISK payout formula and provide a bonus to winning team... Watch battles become fun again.
Morathi III Policeman of the Federation 82	Posted - 2013.12.13 18:32:00 - [43] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: Sgt Buttscratch wrote: dunno bout you guys, but I love loosing 3-10 160k (480,000-1.6million ISK) scout suits just to get a federation specialist shotgun. But we need to drink cognac man. Just throw your money away. Fixed, if only that was that ok
Lorhak Gannarsein 690	Posted - 2013.12.13 18:32:00 - [44] - Quote Better idea (thanks Nirwanda Vaughns) - AFK FW. That way you get your LP and standings, and don't need to deal wih the BS that is this game. >Cosgar: You know, tanks are actually paper thin once their modules are in cooldown.
Protected Void Endless Hatred 205	Posted - 2013.12.13 18:32:00 - [45] - Quote I'm kind of torn on this. While I certainly think LP payout should be a bit higher at the top standing levels, I also see a strong case for not making it too high, either. Also - and this is my main point - FW matches have been so much more fun playing than regular pub matches. Out of the 25 or so FW matches I've played, only one has been an outright stomp. And even then, the losing team didn't give up and go into AFK/sniper mode. They kept coming and actually made some progress at one point through sheer persistence. Also, I'm hugely enjoying the drastic reduction in explosives usage and more controlled firing that most people are exhibiting. I haven't seen any "even more stupid blueberries" in the matches I've played.
Dunk Mujunk RestlessSpirits 388	Posted - 2013.12.13 18:33:00 - [46] - Quote I can get on board with this. Of course, I decided to avoid FW for a week or 2 before 1.7 dropped. Figured it would be a cluster fck, judging from the forums I wasn't too far off. And where is CPM Jagerschnitzel at? I thought it was gonna be smooth sailing buddy. Not so much lol. Anyway, i'm sure it'll all get straightened out at some point. Until such a time i'll stick to Pubs. Every time I try to walk away, something makes me turn around and stay, and I can't tell you why Eagles* Dust Tribute
Savaric Koldaga Molon Labe. Public Disorder. 29	Posted - 2013.12.13 18:34:00 - [47] - Quote If you lose one suit then you have lost more than gained. People are just gonna tank stomp it and afk milk the LP. Even if you consider the salvage( which is a hit or miss) most of the stuff isn't even stuff I'm skilled into nor can I sell it... Going into FW and seeing 6 tanks flying like superman ,die 10+ times (even in super cheap suits) and get nothing in return doesn't really make me want to play.
The Furtive Pygmy Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 25	Posted - 2013.12.13 18:35:00 - [48] - Quote Someone who goes 20-0 gets the same payout as someone who goes 0-20 The difference between level 1 and level 10 is a paltry 300 points Why exactly am I dumping millions of ISK into this game mode again? No thanks, CCP
Sgt Buttscratch 1135	Posted - 2013.12.13 18:35:00 - [49] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: Sgt Buttscratch wrote: dunno bout you guys, but I love loosing 3-10 160k (480,000-1.6million ISK) scout suits just to get a federation specialist shotgun. But we need an ISK sink man. Just throw your money away. I've been trying, learning the scout with full proto suits aint cheep. luckily running a scout with a shotty and a scanner is actually entertaining. I stick my weiner in two buns and and then give it the gas Sour cream from my spleen into Levi jeans
Cenex Langly 0uter.Heaven Proficiency V. 477	Posted - 2013.12.13 18:38:00 - [50] - Quote Lynn Beck wrote: I'm with katana. If they find that nobody is leveling to 10, then they might reconsider I'm not sure what the problem is, I find running missions for no ISK quite idiotic to be honest with you. But more power to you if you enjoy that kind of thing. The world of EVE/DUST revolves around ISK. ISK IS POWER. Not LP... But in any case, in EVE it usually takes about 3-4 days (if you're not a chinese grinder and have some semblance of a life) to reach a level 4-5 standing with any one faction. For a casual gamer like myself, it could take you about a week to get these standings. So if you're not reaching level 10 in the first 3 days then please, stop and think about what it means to be level 10. It may take quite some time to reach a level 10 standing considering what they are offering. If the problem is what they are offering upon reaching level 10 (not being enough LP per mission or what ever) then that is another problem entirely, one of which I have no care nor advice to give. Newb

Ares 514 D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 182	Posted - 2013.12.13 18:38:00 - [51] - Quote Protected Void wrote: I'm kind of torn on this. While I certainly think LP payout should be a bit higher at the top standing levels, I also see a strong case for not making it too high, either. Also - and this is my main point - FW matches have been so much more fun playing than regular pub matches. Out of the 25 or so FW matches I've played, only one has been an outright stomp. And even then, the losing team didn't give up and go into AFK/sniper mode. They kept coming and actually made some progress at one point through sheer persistence. Also, I'm hugely enjoying the drastic reduction in explosives usage and more controlled firing that most people are exhibiting. I haven't seen any "even more stupid blueberries" in the matches I've played. Who are you fighting for? I want to fight Minmatar; however, Scotty won't let me. So I fought Caldari and more useless teams I have rarely seen. Every time my squad left a point without at least one of us there it was lost. Lost one to being cloned even though we could have won by MCC cause the blueberries would NOT stop running into a killing field, usually with no shields or armour as I desperately tried to keep them alive. Just sad. Please fix the mic bubble bug...
ZiwZih Seraphim Initiative.. 288	Posted - 2013.12.13 18:39:00 - [52] - Quote Now, how to convince major EVE OB suppliers to help and back us up on this...
Sgt Kirk SyNergy Gaming EoN. 3533	Posted - 2013.12.13 18:40:00 - [53] - Quote The Furtive Pygmy wrote: Someone who goes 20-0 gets the same payout as someone who goes 0-20 The difference between level 1 and level 10 is a paltry 300 points Why exactly am I dumping millions of ISK into this game mode again? No thanks, CCP My thoughts exactly. Good ol' CCP, thinking things out thoroughly.
Arkena Wyrnspire Turalyon 514 Turalyon Alliance 6103	Posted - 2013.12.13 18:45:00 - [54] - Quote Support. The payouts simply aren't worth it. Even at level 10 it's not that much - If we had a market so it was actually possible to run FW for profit, it would be better, but pubmatches are still worth more in terms of personal gain. That's contradictory to the idea of a risk vs reward balance - the risk in FW is higher, with harsh penalties for losing, friendly fire, etc, yet the payouts are worth much less. Level 6 Forum Warrior Lenin of the glorious armoured revolution Gallente FW - 'Turalyon'
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. Public Disorder. 2303	Posted - 2013.12.13 18:47:00 - [55] - Quote Protected Void wrote: I'm kind of torn on this. While I certainly think LP payout should be a bit higher at the top standing levels, I also see a strong case for not making it too high, either. Also - and this is my main point - FW matches have been so much more fun playing than regular pub matches. Out of the 25 or so FW matches I've played, only one has been an outright stomp. And even then, the losing team didn't give up and go into AFK/sniper mode. They kept coming and actually made some progress at one point through sheer persistence. Also, I'm hugely enjoying the drastic reduction in explosives usage and more controlled firing that most people are exhibiting. I haven't seen any "even more stupid blueberries" in the matches I've played. People are investing a lot of their ISK into these battles for the rewards that were advertised in the Dev blog. Remove time in battle from ISK payout formula and provide a bonus to winning team... Watch battles become fun again.
Lance 2ballzStrong SyNergy Gaming EoN. 4615	Posted - 2013.12.13 18:47:00 - [56] - Quote Assault players should boycott... CCP mainly listens to them ( ._.) <('.'<) "There there Mr. Heavy, it's not your fault CCP doesn't care about you"
Morathi III Policeman of the Federation 82	Posted - 2013.12.13 18:48:00 - [57] - Quote Lance 2ballzStrong wrote: Assault players should boycott... CCP mainly listens to them You dont haved buy the new merc pack for the Mauler heavy?
Lance 2ballzStrong SyNergy Gaming EoN. 4617	Posted - 2013.12.13 18:50:00 - [58] - Quote Morathi III wrote: Lance 2ballzStrong wrote: Assault players should boycott... CCP mainly listens to them You dont haved buy the new merc pack for the Mauler heavy? I have no idea. I haven't bought a thing in this game since Chromosome. ( ._.) <('.'<) "There there Mr. Heavy, it's not your fault CCP doesn't care about you"
Morathi III Policeman of the Federation 82	Posted - 2013.12.13 18:51:00 - [59] - Quote Lance 2ballzStrong wrote: Morathi III wrote: Lance 2ballzStrong wrote: Assault players should boycott... CCP mainly listens to them You dont haved buy the new merc pack for the Mauler heavy? I have no idea. I haven't bought a thing in this game since Chromosome. Good things, just go take a look at the Mauler Heavy and try to dont laugh
Cyrius Li-Moody The New Age Outlaws WINMATAR. 2255	Posted - 2013.12.13 18:58:00 - [60] - Quote Outlaws will be not be participating in FW at the level we previously have. We started out as FW corp and now we're like "well, alright, why is this worth it?" Youtuber. Your friendly neighborhood whiskey-fueled merc.

mollerz Minja Scouts 1305	Posted - 2013.12.13 18:59:00 - [61] - Quote I think the formula is this- FW= 100% BPO suits. If you are lucky enough to have a valor, sever, or raven suit (others) that get the racial skill bonus- that's the ticket to punch right there. All BPO modules. Let your high skills take up the slack. Use your pool of ISK (now worth 8 or so times more in the LP store) and LPs to buy and amass proto gear. Protostomp (or hell stick to the free suit) in pub matches for ISK for about ten matches and then go back to FW. One day you'll have a huge warehouse full of cheap protogear waiting for when you need it. Or sell it and become an 8 figga minja. I can't see any other way to play FW. I feel bad for new players, tho. They have quite the uphill battle. #shittycoding
Lance 2ballzStrong SyNergy Gaming EoN. 4619	Posted - 2013.12.13 19:00:00 - [62] - Quote Morathi III wrote: Lance 2ballzStrong wrote: Morathi III wrote: Lance 2ballzStrong wrote: Assault players should boycott... CCP mainly listens to them You dont haved buy the new merc pack for the Mauler heavy? I have no idea. I haven't bought a thing in this game since Chromosome. Good things, just go take a look at the Mauler Heavy and try to dont laugh I could imagine... ( ._.) <('.'<) "There there Mr. Heavy, it's not your fault CCP doesn't care about you"
Morathi III Policeman of the Federation 82	Posted - 2013.12.13 19:05:00 - [63] - Quote Lance 2ballzStrong wrote: Morathi III wrote: Lance 2ballzStrong wrote: Morathi III wrote: Lance 2ballzStrong wrote: Assault players should boycott... CCP mainly listens to them You dont haved buy the new merc pack for the Mauler heavy? I have no idea. I haven't bought a thing in this game since Chromosome. Good things, just go take a look at the Mauler Heavy and try to dont laugh I could imagine... Have you tried to play in 1.7 with your HMG.... Everybody get a proto combat rifle or rail rifle... In the past you were the amarr heavy, now we can call you the cake heavy, no trolling, the game just came worst every day for you and im not a heavy to say you that
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. Public Disorder. 2305	Posted - 2013.12.13 19:07:00 - [64] - Quote mollerz wrote: I think the formula is this- FW= 100% BPO suits. If you are lucky enough to have a valor, sever, or raven suit (others) that get the racial skill bonus- that's the ticket to punch right there. All BPO modules. Let your high skills take up the slack. Use your pool of ISK (now worth 8 or so times more in the LP store) and LPs to buy and amass proto gear. Protostomp (or hell stick to the free suit) in pub matches for ISK for about ten matches and then go back to FW. One day you'll have a huge warehouse full of cheap protogear waiting for when you need it. Or sell it and become an 8 figga minja. I can't see any other way to play FW. I feel bad for new players, tho. They have quite the uphill battle. But it shouldn't be this. Players should have something that they can rock their good gear in. Don't say PC because PC isn't available to 90% of Dust. Remove time in battle from ISK payout formula and provide a bonus to winning team... Watch battles become fun again.
Morathi III Policeman of the Federation 83	Posted - 2013.12.13 19:10:00 - [65] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: mollerz wrote: I think the formula is this- FW= 100% BPO suits. If you are lucky enough to have a valor, sever, or raven suit (others) that get the racial skill bonus- that's the ticket to punch right there. All BPO modules. Let your high skills take up the slack. Use your pool of ISK (now worth 8 or so times more in the LP store) and LPs to buy and amass proto gear. Protostomp (or hell stick to the free suit) in pub matches for ISK for about ten matches and then go back to FW. One day you'll have a huge warehouse full of cheap protogear waiting for when you need it. Or sell it and become an 8 figga minja. I can't see any other way to play FW. I feel bad for new players, tho. They have quite the uphill battle. But it shouldn't be this. Players should have something that they can rock their good gear in. Don't say PC because PC isn't available to 90% of Dust. PC
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. Public Disorder. 2311	Posted - 2013.12.13 19:10:00 - [66] - Quote Morathi III wrote: Thor Odinson42 wrote: mollerz wrote: I think the formula is this- FW= 100% BPO suits. If you are lucky enough to have a valor, sever, or raven suit (others) that get the racial skill bonus- that's the ticket to punch right there. All BPO modules. Let your high skills take up the slack. Use your pool of ISK (now worth 8 or so times more in the LP store) and LPs to buy and amass proto gear. Protostomp (or hell stick to the free suit) in pub matches for ISK for about ten matches and then go back to FW. One day you'll have a huge warehouse full of cheap protogear waiting for when you need it. Or sell it and become an 8 figga minja. I can't see any other way to play FW. I feel bad for new players, tho. They have quite the uphill battle. But it shouldn't be this. Players should have something that they can rock their good gear in. Don't say PC because PC isn't available to 90% of Dust. PC lol Remove time in battle from ISK payout formula and provide a bonus to winning team... Watch battles become fun again.
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. Public Disorder. 2313	Posted - 2013.12.13 19:36:00 - [67] - Quote bump Remove time in battle from ISK payout formula and provide a bonus to winning team... Watch battles become fun again.
mollerz Minja Scouts 1310	Posted - 2013.12.13 20:23:00 - [68] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: mollerz wrote: I think the formula is this- FW= 100% BPO suits. If you are lucky enough to have a valor, sever, or raven suit (others) that get the racial skill bonus- that's the ticket to punch right there. All BPO modules. Let your high skills take up the slack. Use your pool of ISK (now worth 8 or so times more in the LP store) and LPs to buy and amass proto gear. Protostomp (or hell stick to the free suit) in pub matches for ISK for about ten matches and then go back to FW. One day you'll have a huge warehouse full of cheap protogear waiting for when you need it. Or sell it and become an 8 figga minja. I can't see any other way to play FW. I feel bad for new players, tho. They have quite the uphill battle. But it shouldn't be this. Players should have something that they can rock their good gear in. Don't say PC because PC isn't available to 90% of Dust. Well, My opinion is that their market is totally fubar, and there's future money to be made here. There is no doubt it will change, but I am betting ti will be towards the fact that everything is cheap, and the payouts too low. It has cautious written all over it. These opportunities arise once in awhile in dust. #shittycoding
Aero Yassavi Scions of Athra 4050	Posted - 2013.12.13 20:42:00 - [69] - Quote Boycotting Dust all together. Angels of vengeance, angels of mercy, scions of Athra. Amarr Victor
crazy space 1 GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention 2078	Posted - 2013.12.13 20:43:00 - [70] - Quote no it's been one day it'll change. Do you not get it yet? every build is a different game. You can get AUR items for isk guys. Remote mines to stick to things! everything changes, it's CCP, they can never make up their minds

Ghost Kaisar THIRD EARTH INCORPORATED Dark Taboo 1161	Posted - 2013.12.13 20:45:00 - [71] - Quote Lynn Beck wrote: I'm with katana. If they find that nobody is leveling to 10, then they might reconsider Like any can make it that far. Every accident that gets you kicked costs you 6 wins. I got banned for a flux gone wrong Minmatar Faction Warfare: Let's get Organized
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. Public Disorder. 2337	Posted - 2013.12.13 20:46:00 - [72] - Quote mollerz wrote: Thor Odinson42 wrote: mollerz wrote: I think the formula is this- FW= 100% BPO suits. If you are lucky enough to have a valor, sever, or raven suit (others) that get the racial skill bonus- that's the ticket to punch right there. All BPO modules. Let your high skills take up the slack. Use your pool of ISK (now worth 8 or so times more in the LP store) and LPs to buy and amass proto gear. Protostomp (or hell stick to the free suit) in pub matches for ISK for about ten matches and then go back to FW. One day you'll have a huge warehouse full of cheap protogear waiting for when you need it. Or sell it and become an 8 figga minja. I can't see any other way to play FW. I feel bad for new players, tho. They have quite the uphill battle. But it shouldn't be this. Players should have something that they can rock their good gear in. Don't say PC because PC isn't available to 90% of Dust. Well, My opinion is that their market is totally fubar, and there's future money to be made here. There is no doubt it will change, but I am betting ti will be towards the fact that everything is cheap, and the payouts too low. It has cautious written all over it. These opportunities arise once in awhile in dust. I'd agree if CCP hadn't specifically stated that they want an ISK sink and they don't want people to be able to play FW exclusively. Remove time in battle from ISK payout formula and provide a bonus to winning team... Watch battles become fun again.
Nirwanda Vaughns 251	Posted - 2013.12.13 20:51:00 - [73] - Quote AFK pub matches til cap out for the isk then afk FW for the LP and standing for rest of the week. its a win/win situation It's only after we have lost everything, are we free to do anything.... Unless CCP take away your BPOs
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. Public Disorder. 2337	Posted - 2013.12.13 20:53:00 - [74] - Quote crazy space 1 wrote: no it's been one day it'll change. Do you not get it yet? every build is a different game. You can get AUR items for isk guys. Remote mines to stick to things! everything changes, it's CCP, they can never make up their minds LOL, they changed it today They updated the numbers for the standings and the LP payouts I've seen some of the actual numbers people are putting together in regards to how bad of an ISK sink this could be and it's bad. Remove time in battle from ISK payout formula and provide a bonus to winning team... Watch battles become fun again.
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. Public Disorder. 2343	Posted - 2013.12.13 21:29:00 - [75] - Quote Bump Remove time in battle from ISK payout formula and provide a bonus to winning team... Watch battles become fun again.
Savaric Koldaga Molon Labe. Public Disorder. 29	Posted - 2013.12.13 22:18:00 - [76] - Quote Nirwanda Vaughns wrote: AFK pub matches til cap out for the isk then afk FW for the LP and standing for rest of the week. its a win/win situation Yes because half a team AFKing in the mcc is a sure fire way to fix the problem...
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. Public Disorder. 2351	Posted - 2013.12.14 01:21:00 - [77] - Quote Savaric Koldaga wrote: Nirwanda Vaughns wrote: AFK pub matches til cap out for the isk then afk FW for the LP and standing for rest of the week. its a win/win situation Yes because half a team AFKing in the mcc is a sure fire way to fix the problem... Even if I agreed with AFK, I couldn't do it. If the game is on I'm playing. I can't even snipe for more than a minute or two. Same for roof camping. Remove time in battle from ISK payout formula and provide a bonus to winning team... Watch battles become fun again.
Daddrobit PFB Pink Fluffy Bunnies 385	Posted - 2013.12.14 01:42:00 - [78] - Quote Yeah, I stopped today myself. And I was actually having so much fun dropping real OBs, looking forward to using the LP store and having good matches against people. But when I refreshed my tab on the FW blog and saw the changes... It really isn't worth it anymore in the slightest. I'm not gonna grind through another 180 victories, fighting for lost games with no standings gain where the only thing I get is salvage that 95% of which I don't use, fighting against getting kicked from matches because blueberries can't watch out for RE, slogging through bans that put me back 6 victories and keep me out until the next day, so I can have 300 more points than someone who just does a few. Naw, I'm good.
Bethhy Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 464	Posted - 2013.12.14 01:47:00 - [79] - Quote Nothing is supposed to be quick ... It takes a long time to get 10 standing's with any corporation in EVE... why should DUST mercenaries have it easier? because its a free to play game? I may be sick but I love the grind. I want to work for what i get... makes it that much more better when I get it. There are some that want an "easy" mode for every game they play.... You guys already have aim assist.... isnt DUST set on "easy" enough for you guys?
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. Public Disorder. 2351	Posted - 2013.12.14 01:48:00 - [80] - Quote Daddrobit wrote: Yeah, I stopped today myself. And I was actually having so much fun dropping real OBs, looking forward to using the LP store and having good matches against people. But when I refreshed my tab on the FW blog and saw the changes... It really isn't worth it anymore in the slightest. I'm not gonna grind through another 180 victories, fighting for lost games with no standings gain where the only thing I get is salvage that 95% of which I don't use, fighting against getting kicked from matches because blueberries can't watch out for RE, slogging through bans that put me back 6 victories and keep me out until the next day, so I can have 300 more points than someone who just does a few. Naw, I'm good. I hope CCP is reading this thread Remove time in battle from ISK payout formula and provide a bonus to winning team... Watch battles become fun again.

Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. Public Disorder. 2353	Posted - 2013.12.14 01:49:00 - [81] - Quote Bethhy wrote: Nothing is supposed to be quick ... It takes a long time to get 10 standing's with any corporation in EVE... why should DUST mercenaries have it easier? because its a free to play game? I may be sick but I love the grind. I want to work for what i get... makes it that much more better when I get it. There are some that want an "easy" mode for every game they play.... You guys already have aim assist.... isnt DUST set on "easy" enough for you guys? I personally don't want to achieve Level 10 quickly. I'm willing to grind. But I want the grind to be worth it. I think you also need to think about lower SP and average players as well. I generally run around a 2.0 KDR, lots of folks struggle going positive. It's not going to hurt a person that runs a 10.0 KDR's wallet (not to mention being in the top PC corp in the game). Try to have some perspective. Remove time in battle from ISK payout formula and provide a bonus to winning team... Watch battles become fun again.
Bethhy Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 464	Posted - 2013.12.14 02:19:00 - [82] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: Bethhy wrote: Nothing is supposed to be quick ... It takes a long time to get 10 standing's with any corporation in EVE... why should DUST mercenaries have it easier? because its a free to play game? I may be sick but I love the grind. I want to work for what i get... makes it that much more better when I get it. There are some that want an "easy" mode for every game they play.... You guys already have aim assist.... isnt DUST set on "easy" enough for you guys? I personally don't want to achieve Level 10 quickly. I'm willing to grind. But I want the grind to be worth it. I think you also need to think about lower SP and average players as well. I generally run around a 2.0 KDR, lots of folks struggle going positive. It's not going to hurt a person that runs a 10.0 KDR's wallet (not to mention being in the top PC corp in the game). Try to have some perspective. I make new characters all the time to gain perspective. And yes people who care less about ISK don't mind dyeing in FW for the LP gear. Or even investing half their ISK to transfer a big chunk over to the LP store... so we can get items to run in PC... lol But in all truth none of that is really what people where looking for in FW at this stage... and yes gear is nice... We wanted an environment where people joined with the intention of winning.. and loosing has a consequence, where people would fit there best suit/vehicle and fight for the win not the KD/R. FW should be a middle ground for DUST people... as PC is to laggy to even allow up and coming skilled DUST players to compete. FW being a middle ground for progression in DUST shouldn't make it a viable option for a 1 month old player to play it solely, and hurt's the people who have made it to that level more then the new player. Two factions are feeling this issue right now where people are running BPO's non stop on Amarr and Caldari and putting their side at a massive disadvantage... to the point where the Amarrian and Caldari faithful have jumped ship. And everyone who has ran PC from Uprising 1.0 have asked CCP to work on the upward mobility in new merc's towards PC... tthey have created this boy's club that no one asked for and made it hard on corporation CEO's to maintain activity within corp's when not at direct war from the same groups of people everyone in PC has fought over and over since it's launched. We asked for 8vs8 corp battles to be implemented BACK into DUST from Uprising 1.0, to give a smaller competitive venue for two up and coming or rival corps.. and a place for smaller corps to start building team work... If people are getting lvl 10 standings in 2 months of work(good luck doing that in EVE) that is to much for me.. So yea its fine for me. At least until we get a player market then we can actually look at the economic's of LP gear and what it does to the economy of its trade.
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. Public Disorder. 2353	Posted - 2013.12.14 02:28:00 - [83] - Quote Bethhy wrote: Thor Odinson42 wrote: Bethhy wrote: Nothing is supposed to be quick ... It takes a long time to get 10 standing's with any corporation in EVE... why should DUST mercenaries have it easier? because its a free to play game? I may be sick but I love the grind. I want to work for what i get... makes it that much more better when I get it. There are some that want an "easy" mode for every game they play.... You guys already have aim assist.... isnt DUST set on "easy" enough for you guys? I personally don't want to achieve Level 10 quickly. I'm willing to grind. But I want the grind to be worth it. I think you also need to think about lower SP and average players as well. I generally run around a 2.0 KDR, lots of folks struggle going positive. It's not going to hurt a person that runs a 10.0 KDR's wallet (not to mention being in the top PC corp in the game). Try to have some perspective. I make new characters all the time to gain perspective. And yes people who care less about ISK don't mind dyeing in FW for the LP gear. Or even investing half their ISK to transfer a big chunk over to the LP store... so we can get items to run in PC... lol But in all truth none of that is really what people where looking for in FW at this stage... and yes gear is nice... We wanted an environment where people joined with the intention of winning.. and loosing has a consequence, where people would fit there best suit/vehicle and fight for the win not the KD/R. FW should be a middle ground for DUST people... as PC is to laggy to even allow up and coming skilled DUST players to compete. FW being a middle ground for progression in DUST shouldn't make it a viable option for a 1 month old player to play it solely, and hurt's the people who have made it to that level more then the new player. Two factions are feeling this issue right now where people are running BPO's non stop on Amarr and Caldari and putting their side at a massive disadvantage... to the point where the Amarrian and Caldari faithful have jumped ship. And everyone who has ran PC from Uprising 1.0 have asked CCP to work on the upward mobility in new merc's towards PC... tthey have created this boy's club that no one asked for and made it hard on corporation CEO's to maintain activity within corp's when not at direct war from the same groups of people everyone in PC has fought over and over since it's launched. We asked for 8vs8 corp battles to be implemented BACK into DUST from Uprising 1.0, to give a smaller competitive venue for two up and coming or rival corps.. and a place for smaller corps to start building team work... If people are getting lvl 10 standings in 2 months of work(good luck doing that in EVE) that is to much for me.. So yea its fine for me. At least until we get a player market then we can actually look at the economic's of LP gear ad what it does tot he economy. Agree with everything you wrote, but it has to be more sustainable. Perhaps increase the specialist weapon cost and allow for people to more easily sustain themselves fighting in FW. I think adding team deploy in FW will help raise the overall skill level to boost participation in PC. But really I'd rather see FW evolve into what PC is. I've posted in other threads about it. Kane actually talked about in one of the FW Skype chats. The idea being Eve FW corps being able to hire corps to defend systems when they reach a vulnerable status. Different size districts with squad size fights, etc. But we've been crunching numbers in the Skype chat and the payouts are simply not sustainable. Add to the fact that CCP has stated that they don't want people exclusively doing FW along with their belief in the need for an ISK sink and I think it's a big problem. Remove time in battle from ISK payout formula and provide a bonus to winning team... Watch battles become fun again.
Lorhak Gannarsein 690	Posted - 2013.12.14 02:53:00 - [84] - Quote ^^ this ^^ I'd think that grinding 300 wins (or whatever) would earn some reasonably nice rewards... Especially if you fight for Amarr... And if I'm not doing FW exclusively, I don't want to do it at all. I'm not grinding for hours to play a single match, and I'm sure as hell not wasting my time in FW in BPO suits. >Cosgar: You know, tanks are actually paper thin once their modules are in cooldown.
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. Public Disorder. 2362	Posted - 2013.12.14 03:01:00 - [85] - Quote Lorhak Gannarsein wrote: ^^ this ^^ I'd think that grinding 300 wins (or whatever) would earn some reasonably nice rewards... Especially if you fight for Amarr... And if I'm not doing FW exclusively, I don't want to do it at all. I'm not grinding for hours to play a single match, and I'm sure as hell not wasting my time in FW in BPO suits. I think the majority of people feel this way. Now it's up to CCP to make it possible. FW provides content for me for the foreseeable future. It's right in front of them, hopefully they recognize it. Remove time in battle from ISK payout formula and provide a bonus to winning team... Watch battles become fun again.
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. Public Disorder. 2371	Posted - 2013.12.14 17:54:00 - [86] - Quote Bump Remove time in battle from ISK payout formula and provide a bonus to winning team... Watch battles become fun again.
steadyhand amarr Scions of Athra 2096	Posted - 2013.12.14 17:56:00 - [87] - Quote Pish iv just quit dust all together their never going to get it right "i dont care about you or your goals, just show me the dam isk" winner of EU squad cup GOGO power rangers
Patrick57 Fatal Absolution 2059	Posted - 2013.12.14 18:04:00 - [88] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: They need participation to look at the data. But these updated LP payouts for standings are just simply not going to cut it. CCP has a history of responding to player outrage. This is something I believe we can all agree on. These payouts are crap. And this was the one area that had created some enthusiasm for the game. Don't play FW until they agree to make the grind for standings worthwhile. \o/ When I'm depressed, I cut myself......A BIG SLICE OF CHOCOLATE CAKE!


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