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Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. Public Disorder. 2287	Posted - 2013.12.13 17:37:00 - [1] - Quote They need participation to look at the data. But these updated LP payouts for standings are just simply not going to cut it. CCP has a history of responding to player outrage. This is something I believe we can all agree on. These payouts are crap. And this was the one area that had created some enthusiasm for the game. Don't play FW until they agree to make the grind for standings worthwhile. Remove time in battle from ISK payout formula and provide a bonus to winning team... Watch battles become fun again.
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. Public Disorder. 2292	Posted - 2013.12.13 17:44:00 - [2] - Quote This is their new toy. If nobody plays with it they will reconsider Remove time in battle from ISK payout formula and provide a bonus to winning team... Watch battles become fun again.
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. Public Disorder. 2292	Posted - 2013.12.13 17:46:00 - [3] - Quote Sana Rayya wrote: I never play FW anyway so I can get behind this. well that works Remove time in battle from ISK payout formula and provide a bonus to winning team... Watch battles become fun again.
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. Public Disorder. 2295	Posted - 2013.12.13 17:48:00 - [4] - Quote Sick Metagamer wrote: Here is the thing CCP don't get: if they boost the payout to say 5000LP at Level 10, EVERYONE at level 10 would buy the LP Boosters all of the time because they would be worth the dollar investment. This is one mechanic where CCP could make a crap load of money if done right. Low reward for FW is killing their chance to make cash. I have become stingy with my money and Dust, but if FW was worth it, I would blow money on the boosters. This is pretty apparent for people with functioning brains Remove time in battle from ISK payout formula and provide a bonus to winning team... Watch battles become fun again.
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. Public Disorder. 2295	Posted - 2013.12.13 17:49:00 - [5] - Quote Mr CreepyPasta wrote: I'm going to continue slaughtering Caldari scum as they foolishly attempt to hold some ground. why boycott i mean seriously FW or not you still grind for gear so why not just get over it and up your standing for less grind Go for it man, but I value my time more. I also want to see the game succeed. Remove time in battle from ISK payout formula and provide a bonus to winning team... Watch battles become fun again.
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. Public Disorder. 2295	Posted - 2013.12.13 17:51:00 - [6] - Quote Mr CreepyPasta wrote: Sick Metagamer wrote: Here is the thing CCP don't get: if they boost the payout to say 5000LP at Level 10, EVERYONE at level 10 would buy the LP Boosters all of the time because they would be worth the dollar investment. This is one mechanic where CCP could make a crap load of money if done right. Low reward for FW is killing their chance to make cash. I have become stingy with my money and Dust, but if FW was worth it, I would blow money on the boosters. yea! CCP is definitely in it for the money! ( sarcasm :P ) Why the sarcasm, they are a business? The last I checked Iceland wasn't in North Korea. Remove time in battle from ISK payout formula and provide a bonus to winning team... Watch battles become fun again.
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. Public Disorder. 2296	Posted - 2013.12.13 17:59:00 - [7] - Quote Mr CreepyPasta wrote: Thor Odinson42 wrote: Mr CreepyPasta wrote: Sick Metagamer wrote: Here is the thing CCP don't get: if they boost the payout to say 5000LP at Level 10, EVERYONE at level 10 would buy the LP Boosters all of the time because they would be worth the dollar investment. This is one mechanic where CCP could make a crap load of money if done right. Low reward for FW is killing their chance to make cash. I have become stingy with my money and Dust, but if FW was worth it, I would blow money on the boosters. yea! CCP is definitely in it for the money! ( sarcasm :P ) Why the sarcasm, they are a business? The last I checked Iceland wasn't in North Korea. i know they are a business but if they were in it for the money do you think DUST would be F2P or Pay 2 Play and Pay 2 Win ( ok the sarcasm was unnecessary) I'm honestly not even going to attempt to explain to you the concept of F2P and microtransactions. They aren't doing this out of good will. Remove time in battle from ISK payout formula and provide a bonus to winning team... Watch battles become fun again.
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. Public Disorder. 2296	Posted - 2013.12.13 18:00:00 - [8] - Quote Lv2spd2 wrote: Sorry, publics are such a mess right now with the tank disaster that I don't enjoy them, so for me its pretty much factionals or nothing right now. No worries, if I could I might try to hold you down or kidnap you or something but I can't. Remove time in battle from ISK payout formula and provide a bonus to winning team... Watch battles become fun again.
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. Public Disorder. 2296	Posted - 2013.12.13 18:05:00 - [9] - Quote We are 138 wrote: Thor Odinson42 wrote: They need participation to look at the data. But these updated LP payouts for standings are just simply not going to cut it. CCP has a history of responding to player outrage. This is something I believe we can all agree on. These payouts are crap. And this was the one area that had created some enthusiasm for the game. Don't play FW until they agree to make the grind for standings worthwhile. ***** until you get what you want..... great plan. I agree, thanks. It worked in Eve Remove time in battle from ISK payout formula and provide a bonus to winning team... Watch battles become fun again.
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. Public Disorder. 2301	Posted - 2013.12.13 18:23:00 - [10] - Quote Gorra Snell wrote: I may not completely stop, but I'd been running nothing but FW since Tuesday morning, and now...eh, I don't know. There's been more intensity and organization in FW than in pubs, which was fun, but I suspect that atmosphere will quickly fade when everyone realizes it's in their best interest to stick with pubs. Agreed, I think it will take care of itself. But I figured this can't hurt (unless I get a timeout). Remove time in battle from ISK payout formula and provide a bonus to winning team... Watch battles become fun again.

Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. Public Disorder. 2301	Posted - 2013.12.13 18:24:00 - [11] - Quote Operative 1171 Aajli wrote: I saw this coming. Read the sig. I don't want to help this game burn. I love this game. Remove time in battle from ISK payout formula and provide a bonus to winning team... Watch battles become fun again.
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. Public Disorder. 2302	Posted - 2013.12.13 18:28:00 - [12] - Quote Sgt Buttscratch wrote: dunno bout you guys, but I love loosing 3-10 160k (480,000-1.6million ISK) scout suits just to get a federation specialist shotgun. But we need an ISK sink man. Just throw your money away. Remove time in battle from ISK payout formula and provide a bonus to winning team... Watch battles become fun again.
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. Public Disorder. 2303	Posted - 2013.12.13 18:47:00 - [13] - Quote Protected Void wrote: I'm kind of torn on this. While I certainly think LP payout should be a bit higher at the top standing levels, I also see a strong case for not making it too high, either. Also - and this is my main point - FW matches have been so much more fun playing than regular pub matches. Out of the 25 or so FW matches I've played, only one has been an outright stomp. And even then, the losing team didn't give up and go into AFK/sniper mode. They kept coming and actually made some progress at one point through sheer persistence. Also, I'm hugely enjoying the drastic reduction in explosives usage and more controlled firing that most people are exhibiting. I haven't seen any "even more stupid blueberries" in the matches I've played. People are investing a lot of their ISK into these battles for the rewards that were advertised in the Dev blog. Remove time in battle from ISK payout formula and provide a bonus to winning team... Watch battles become fun again.
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. Public Disorder. 2305	Posted - 2013.12.13 19:07:00 - [14] - Quote mollerz wrote: I think the formula is this- FW= 100% BPO suits. If you are lucky enough to have a valor, sever, or raven suit (others) that get the racial skill bonus- that's the ticket to punch right there. All BPO modules. Let your high skills take up the slack. Use your pool of ISK (now worth 8 or so times more in the LP store) and LPs to buy and amass proto gear. Protostomp (or hell stick to the free suit) in pub matches for ISK for about ten matches and then go back to FW. One day you'll have a huge warehouse full of cheap protogear waiting for when you need it. Or sell it and become an 8 figga minja. I can't see any other way to play FW. I feel bad for new players, tho. They have quite the uphill battle. But it shouldn't be this. Players should have something that they can rock their good gear in. Don't say PC because PC isn't available to 90% of Dust. Remove time in battle from ISK payout formula and provide a bonus to winning team... Watch battles become fun again.
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. Public Disorder. 2311	Posted - 2013.12.13 19:10:00 - [15] - Quote Morathi III wrote: Thor Odinson42 wrote: mollerz wrote: I think the formula is this- FW= 100% BPO suits. If you are lucky enough to have a valor, sever, or raven suit (others) that get the racial skill bonus- that's the ticket to punch right there. All BPO modules. Let your high skills take up the slack. Use your pool of ISK (now worth 8 or so times more in the LP store) and LPs to buy and amass proto gear. Protostomp (or hell stick to the free suit) in pub matches for ISK for about ten matches and then go back to FW. One day you'll have a huge warehouse full of cheap protogear waiting for when you need it. Or sell it and become an 8 figga minja. I can't see any other way to play FW. I feel bad for new players, tho. They have quite the uphill battle. But it shouldn't be this. Players should have something that they can rock their good gear in. Don't say PC because PC isn't available to 90% of Dust. PC lol Remove time in battle from ISK payout formula and provide a bonus to winning team... Watch battles become fun again.
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. Public Disorder. 2313	Posted - 2013.12.13 19:36:00 - [16] - Quote bump Remove time in battle from ISK payout formula and provide a bonus to winning team... Watch battles become fun again.
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. Public Disorder. 2337	Posted - 2013.12.13 20:46:00 - [17] - Quote mollerz wrote: Thor Odinson42 wrote: mollerz wrote: I think the formula is this- FW= 100% BPO suits. If you are lucky enough to have a valor, sever, or raven suit (others) that get the racial skill bonus- that's the ticket to punch right there. All BPO modules. Let your high skills take up the slack. Use your pool of ISK (now worth 8 or so times more in the LP store) and LPs to buy and amass proto gear. Protostomp (or hell stick to the free suit) in pub matches for ISK for about ten matches and then go back to FW. One day you'll have a huge warehouse full of cheap protogear waiting for when you need it. Or sell it and become an 8 figga minja. I can't see any other way to play FW. I feel bad for new players, tho. They have quite the uphill battle. But it shouldn't be this. Players should have something that they can rock their good gear in. Don't say PC because PC isn't available to 90% of Dust. Well, My opinion is that their market is totally fubar, and there's future money to be made here. There is no doubt it will change, but I am betting ti will be towards the fact that everything is cheap, and the payouts too low. It has cautious written all over it. These opportunities arise once in awhile in dust. I'd agree if CCP hadn't specifically stated that they want an ISK sink and they don't want people to be able to play FW exclusively. Remove time in battle from ISK payout formula and provide a bonus to winning team... Watch battles become fun again.
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. Public Disorder. 2337	Posted - 2013.12.13 20:53:00 - [18] - Quote crazy space 1 wrote: no it's been one day it'll change. Do you not get it yet? every build is a different game. You can get AUR items for isk guys. Remote mines to stick to things! everything changes, it's CCP, they can never make up their minds LOL, they changed it today They updated the numbers for the standings and the LP payouts I've seen some of the actual numbers people are putting together in regards to how bad of an ISK sink this could be and it's bad. Remove time in battle from ISK payout formula and provide a bonus to winning team... Watch battles become fun again.
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. Public Disorder. 2343	Posted - 2013.12.13 21:29:00 - [19] - Quote Bump Remove time in battle from ISK payout formula and provide a bonus to winning team... Watch battles become fun again.
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. Public Disorder. 2351	Posted - 2013.12.14 01:21:00 - [20] - Quote Savaric Koldaga wrote: Nirwanda Vaughns wrote: AFK pub matches til cap out for the isk then afk FW for the LP and standing for rest of the week. its a win/win situation Yes because half a team AFKing in the mcc is a sure fire way to fix the problem... Even if I agreed with AFK, I couldn't do it. If the game is on I'm playing. I can't even snipe for more than a minute or two. Same for roof camping. Remove time in battle from ISK payout formula and provide a bonus to winning team... Watch battles become fun again.

Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. Public Disorder. 2351	Posted - 2013.12.14 01:48:00 - [21] - Quote Daddrobit wrote: Yeah, I stopped today myself. And I was actually having so much fun dropping real OBs, looking forward to using the LP store and having good matches against people. But when I refreshed my tab on the FW blog and saw the changes... It really isn't worth it anymore in the slightest. I'm not gonna grind through another 180 victories, fighting for lost games with no standings gain where the only thing I get is salvage that 95% of which I don't use, fighting against getting kicked from matches because blueberries can't watch out for RE, slogging through bans that put me back 6 victories and keep me out until the next day, so I can have 300 more points than someone who just does a few. Naw, I'm good. I hope CCP is reading this thread Remove time in battle from ISK payout formula and provide a bonus to winning team... Watch battles become fun again.
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. Public Disorder. 2353	Posted - 2013.12.14 01:49:00 - [22] - Quote Bethhy wrote: Nothing is supposed to be quick ... It takes a long time to get 10 standing's with any corporation in EVE... why should DUST mercenaries have it easier? because its a free to play game? I may be sick but I love the grind. I want to work for what i get... makes it that much more better when I get it. There are some that want an "easy" mode for every game they play.... You guys already have aim assist.... isnt DUST set on "easy" enough for you guys? I personally don't want to achieve Level 10 quickly. I'm willing to grind. But I want the grind to be worth it. I think you also need to think about lower SP and average players as well. I generally run around a 2.0 KDR, lots of folks struggle going positive. It's not going to hurt a person that runs a 10.0 KDR's wallet (not to mention being in the top PC corp in the game). Try to have some perspective. Remove time in battle from ISK payout formula and provide a bonus to winning team... Watch battles become fun again.
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. Public Disorder. 2353	Posted - 2013.12.14 02:28:00 - [23] - Quote Bethhy wrote: Thor Odinson42 wrote: Bethhy wrote: Nothing is supposed to be quick ... It takes a long time to get 10 standing's with any corporation in EVE... why should DUST mercenaries have it easier? because its a free to play game? I may be sick but I love the grind. I want to work for what i get... makes it that much more better when I get it. There are some that want an "easy" mode for every game they play.... You guys already have aim assist.... isnt DUST set on "easy" enough for you guys? I personally don't want to achieve Level 10 quickly. I'm willing to grind. But I want the grind to be worth it. I think you also need to think about lower SP and average players as well. I generally run around a 2.0 KDR, lots of folks struggle going positive. It's not going to hurt a person that runs a 10.0 KDR's wallet (not to mention being in the top PC corp in the game). Try to have some perspective. I make new characters all the time to gain perspective. And yes people who care less about ISK don't mind dyeing in FW for the LP gear. Or even investing half their ISK to transfer a big chunk over to the LP store... so we can get items to run in PC... lol But in all truth none of that is really what people where looking for in FW at this stage... and yes gear is nice... We wanted an environment where people joined with the intention of winning.. and loosing has a consequence, where people would fit there best suit/vehicle and fight for the win not the KD/R. FW should be a middle ground for DUST people... as PC is to laggy to even allow up and coming skilled DUST players to compete. FW being a middle ground for progression in DUST shouldn't make it a viable option for a 1 month old player to play it solely, and hurt's the people who have made it to that level more then the new player. Two factions are feeling this issue right now where people are running BPO's non stop on Amarr and Caldari and putting their side at a massive disadvantage... to the point where the Amarrian and Caldari faithful have jumped ship. And everyone who has ran PC from Uprising 1.0 have asked CCP to work on the upward mobility in new merc's towards PC... tthey have created this boy's club that no one asked for and made it hard on corporation CEO's to maintain activity within corp's when not at direct war from the same groups of people everyone in PC has fought over and over since it's launched. We asked for 8vs8 corp battles to be implemented BACK into DUST from Uprising 1.0, to give a smaller competitive venue for two up and coming or rival corps.. and a place for smaller corps to start building team work... If people are getting lvl 10 standings in 2 months of work(good luck doing that in EVE) that is to much for me.. So yea its fine for me. At least until we get a player market then we can actually look at the economic's of LP gear ad what it does tot he economy. Agree with everything you wrote, but it has to be more sustainable. Perhaps increase the specialist weapon cost and allow for people to more easily sustain themselves fighting in FW. I think adding team deploy in FW will help raise the overall skill level to boost participation in PC. But really I'd rather see FW evolve into what PC is. I've posted in other threads about it. Kane actually talked about in one of the FW Skype chats. The idea being Eve FW corps being able to hire corps to defend systems when they reach a vulnerable status. Different size districts with squad size fights, etc. But we've been crunching numbers in the Skype chat and the payouts are simply not sustainable. Add to the fact that CCP has stated that they don't want people exclusively doing FW along with their belief in the need for an ISK sink and I think it's a big problem. Remove time in battle from ISK payout formula and provide a bonus to winning team... Watch battles become fun again.
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. Public Disorder. 2362	Posted - 2013.12.14 03:01:00 - [24] - Quote Lorhak Gannarsein wrote: ^^ this ^^ I'd think that grinding 300 wins (or whatever) would earn some reasonably nice rewards... Especially if you fight for Amarr... And if I'm not doing FW exclusively, I don't want to do it at all. I'm not grinding for hours to play a single match, and I'm sure as hell not wasting my time in FW in BPO suits. I think the majority of people feel this way. Now it's up to CCP to make it possible. FW provides content for me for the foreseeable future. It's right in front of them, hopefully they recognize it. Remove time in battle from ISK payout formula and provide a bonus to winning team... Watch battles become fun again.
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. Public Disorder. 2371	Posted - 2013.12.14 17:54:00 - [25] - Quote Bump Remove time in battle from ISK payout formula and provide a bonus to winning team... Watch battles become fun again.