DUST Search - A Call to Boycott FW

Thor Odinson42 wrote:

Mr CreepyPasta wrote:

Thor Odinson42 wrote:

Mr CreepyPasta wrote:

Sick Metagamer wrote:

Here is the thing CCP don't get: if they boost the payout to say 5000LP at Level 10, EVERYONE at level 10 would buy the LP Boosters all of the time because they would be worth the dollar investment. This is one mechanic where CCP could make a crap load of money if done right. Low reward for FW is killing their chance to make cash.

I have become stingy with my money and Dust, but if FW was worth it, I would blow money on the boosters.

yea! CCP is definitely in it for the money! ( sarcasm :P )

Why the sarcasm, they are a business? The last I checked Iceland wasn't in North Korea.

i know they are a business but if they were in it for the money do you think DUST would be F2P or Pay 2 Play and Pay 2 Win ( ok the sarcasm was unnecessary)

I'm honestly not even going to attempt to explain to you the concept of F2P and microtransactions.

They aren't doing this out of good will.

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stlcarlos989 SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 540	Posted - 2013.12.13 18:13:00 - [31] - Quote I'm also done I got a thread with tally of player who are quitting going.
Gorra Snell The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 315	Posted - 2013.12.13 18:19:00 - [32] - Quote I may not completely stop, but I'd been running nothing but FW since Tuesday morning, and now...eh, I don't know. There's been more intensity and organization in FW than in pubs, which was fun, but I suspect that atmosphere will quickly fade when everyone realizes it's in their best interest to stick with pubs. RDVs are a failed experiment - can't we just remove them from the game?
Ares 514 D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 179	Posted - 2013.12.13 18:21:00 - [33] - Quote I'm done with FW, till they fix the FF limit that causes you to get kicked for no damn reason (somehow i damaged myself?!). It was already an ISK sink, but loosing a days work and dealing with those blueberries in bloody skirmishes are not worth it. Good luck with your Win/Loss ratio in FW Skirmishes, the blueberries there are dumber then usual, and that's saying something! Team deploy could fix that problem though. Please fix the mic bubble bug...
Zero Harpuia Turalyon 514 Turalyon Alliance 1354	Posted - 2013.12.13 18:21:00 - [34] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: Mr CreepyPasta wrote: Thor Odinson42 wrote: Mr CreepyPasta wrote: Sick Metagamer wrote: Here is the thing CCP don't get: if they boost the payout to say 5000LP at Level 10, EVERYONE at level 10 would buy the LP Boosters all of the time because they would be worth the dollar investment. This is one mechanic where CCP could make a crap load of money if done right. Low reward for FW is killing their chance to make cash. I have become stingy with my money and Dust, but if FW was worth it, I would blow money on the boosters. yea! CCP is definitely in it for the money! ( sarcasm :P ) Why the sarcasm, they are a business? The last I checked Iceland wasn't in North Korea. i know they are a business but if they were in it for the money do you think DUST would be F2P or Pay 2 Play and Pay 2 Win ( ok the sarcasm was unnecessary) I'm honestly not even going to attempt to explain to you the concept of F2P and microtransactions. They aren't doing this out of good will. Let the Extra Credits guys do it for you. Talking to this guy is fruitless, so just show him an example. DUST is NOT Pay 2 Win, as CCP does not sell power. They sell convenience and time-savers. As for the OP... sure, why not. My squad leader has been kicked every damn day since we started FW, so maybe I'll grab a few Somas and Sicas and see what all the hub-bub about HAVs is. I'll probably give several people much-needed catharsis with my repeated explosions, but at least someone will be having fun then :3 Shields as Weapons
NAV HIV The Generals General Tso's Alliance 606	Posted - 2013.12.13 18:22:00 - [35] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: They need participation to look at the data. But these updated LP payouts for standings are just simply not going to cut it. CCP has a history of responding to player outrage. This is something I believe we can all agree on. These payouts are crap. And this was the one area that had created some enthusiasm for the game. Don't play FW until they agree to make the grind for standings worthwhile. +1
Operative 1171 Aajli Bragian Order Amarr Empire 835	Posted - 2013.12.13 18:22:00 - [36] - Quote I saw this coming. Read the sig. Do your part. Join the revolution. Sabotage FW. Help this game burn! BURN DUST 2014
kayn TARON SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 27	Posted - 2013.12.13 18:23:00 - [37] - Quote Signed not even worth the time to do mess with. Even at level 10 it wouldn't even cover a good players losses who may die once or twice. Dust is marketed as an FPS/MMO. Can you name me one MMO that does not have a functional online friends list or PVE? lol
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. Public Disorder. 2301	Posted - 2013.12.13 18:23:00 - [38] - Quote Gorra Snell wrote: I may not completely stop, but I'd been running nothing but FW since Tuesday morning, and now...eh, I don't know. There's been more intensity and organization in FW than in pubs, which was fun, but I suspect that atmosphere will quickly fade when everyone realizes it's in their best interest to stick with pubs. Agreed, I think it will take care of itself. But I figured this can't hurt (unless I get a timeout). Remove time in battle from ISK payout formula and provide a bonus to winning team... Watch battles become fun again.
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. Public Disorder. 2301	Posted - 2013.12.13 18:24:00 - [39] - Quote Operative 1171 Aajli wrote: I saw this coming. Read the sig. I don't want to help this game burn. I love this game. Remove time in battle from ISK payout formula and provide a bonus to winning team... Watch battles become fun again.
Lorhak Gannarsein 690	Posted - 2013.12.13 18:25:00 - [40] - Quote I'm done with FW for sure. Capped out on that shit faster than I've capped out in months (not that I've capped for three weeks). I'm probably not going to cap out next week. >Cosgar: You know, tanks are actually paper thin once their modules are in cooldown.

Sgt Buttscratch 1135	Posted - 2013.12.13 18:26:00 - [41] - Quote dunno bout you guys, but I love loosing 3-10 160k (480,000-1.6million ISK) scout suits just to get a federation specialist shotgun. I stick my weiner in two buns and and then give it the gas Sour cream from my spleen into Levi jeans
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. Public Disorder. 2302	Posted - 2013.12.13 18:28:00 - [42] - Quote Sgt Buttscratch wrote: dunno bout you guys, but I love loosing 3-10 160k (480,000-1.6million ISK) scout suits just to get a federation specialist shotgun. But we need an ISK sink man. Just throw your money away. Remove time in battle from ISK payout formula and provide a bonus to winning team... Watch battles become fun again.
Morathi III Policeman of the Federation 82	Posted - 2013.12.13 18:32:00 - [43] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: Sgt Buttscratch wrote: dunno bout you guys, but I love loosing 3-10 160k (480,000-1.6million ISK) scout suits just to get a federation specialist shotgun. But we need to drink cognac man. Just throw your money away. Fixed, if only that was that ok
Lorhak Gannarsein 690	Posted - 2013.12.13 18:32:00 - [44] - Quote Better idea (thanks Nirwanda Vaughns) - AFK FW. That way you get your LP and standings, and don't need to deal wih the BS that is this game. >Cosgar: You know, tanks are actually paper thin once their modules are in cooldown.
Protected Void Endless Hatred 205	Posted - 2013.12.13 18:32:00 - [45] - Quote I'm kind of torn on this. While I certainly think LP payout should be a bit higher at the top standing levels, I also see a strong case for not making it too high, either. Also - and this is my main point - FW matches have been so much more fun playing than regular pub matches. Out of the 25 or so FW matches I've played, only one has been an outright stomp. And even then, the losing team didn't give up and go into AFK/sniper mode. They kept coming and actually made some progress at one point through sheer persistence. Also, I'm hugely enjoying the drastic reduction in explosives usage and more controlled firing that most people are exhibiting. I haven't seen any "even more stupid blueberries" in the matches I've played.
Dunk Mujunk RestlessSpirits 388	Posted - 2013.12.13 18:33:00 - [46] - Quote I can get on board with this. Of course, I decided to avoid FW for a week or 2 before 1.7 dropped. Figured it would be a cluster fck, judging from the forums I wasn't too far off. And where is CPM Jagerschnitzel at? I thought it was gonna be smooth sailing buddy. Not so much lol. Anyway, i'm sure it'll all get straightened out at some point. Until such a time i'll stick to Pubs. Every time I try to walk away, something makes me turn around and stay, and I can't tell you why Eagles* Dust Tribute
Savaric Koldaga Molon Labe. Public Disorder. 29	Posted - 2013.12.13 18:34:00 - [47] - Quote If you lose one suit then you have lost more than gained. People are just gonna tank stomp it and afk milk the LP. Even if you consider the salvage( which is a hit or miss) most of the stuff isn't even stuff I'm skilled into nor can I sell it... Going into FW and seeing 6 tanks flying like superman ,die 10+ times (even in super cheap suits) and get nothing in return doesn't really make me want to play.
The Furtive Pygmy Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 25	Posted - 2013.12.13 18:35:00 - [48] - Quote Someone who goes 20-0 gets the same payout as someone who goes 0-20 The difference between level 1 and level 10 is a paltry 300 points Why exactly am I dumping millions of ISK into this game mode again? No thanks, CCP
Sgt Buttscratch 1135	Posted - 2013.12.13 18:35:00 - [49] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: Sgt Buttscratch wrote: dunno bout you guys, but I love loosing 3-10 160k (480,000-1.6million ISK) scout suits just to get a federation specialist shotgun. But we need an ISK sink man. Just throw your money away. I've been trying, learning the scout with full proto suits aint cheep. luckily running a scout with a shotty and a scanner is actually entertaining. I stick my weiner in two buns and and then give it the gas Sour cream from my spleen into Levi jeans
Cenex Langly 0uter.Heaven Proficiency V. 477	Posted - 2013.12.13 18:38:00 - [50] - Quote Lynn Beck wrote: I'm with katana. If they find that nobody is leveling to 10, then they might reconsider I'm not sure what the problem is, I find running missions for no ISK quite idiotic to be honest with you. But more power to you if you enjoy that kind of thing. The world of EVE/DUST revolves around ISK. ISK IS POWER. Not LP... But in any case, in EVE it usually takes about 3-4 days (if you're not a chinese grinder and have some semblance of a life) to reach a level 4-5 standing with any one faction. For a casual gamer like myself, it could take you about a week to get these standings. So if you're not reaching level 10 in the first 3 days then please, stop and think about what it means to be level 10. It may take quite some time to reach a level 10 standing considering what they are offering. If the problem is what they are offering upon reaching level 10 (not being enough LP per mission or what ever) then that is another problem entirely, one of which I have no care nor advice to give. Newb

Ares 514 D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 182	Posted - 2013.12.13 18:38:00 - [51] - Quote Protected Void wrote: I'm kind of torn on this. While I certainly think LP payout should be a bit higher at the top standing levels, I also see a strong case for not making it too high, either. Also - and this is my main point - FW matches have been so much more fun playing than regular pub matches. Out of the 25 or so FW matches I've played, only one has been an outright stomp. And even then, the losing team didn't give up and go into AFK/sniper mode. They kept coming and actually made some progress at one point through sheer persistence. Also, I'm hugely enjoying the drastic reduction in explosives usage and more controlled firing that most people are exhibiting. I haven't seen any "even more stupid blueberries" in the matches I've played. Who are you fighting for? I want to fight Minmatar; however, Scotty won't let me. So I fought Caldari and more useless teams I have rarely seen. Every time my squad left a point without at least one of us there it was lost. Lost one to being cloned even though we could have won by MCC cause the blueberries would NOT stop running into a killing field, usually with no shields or armour as I desperately tried to keep them alive. Just sad. Please fix the mic bubble bug...
ZiwZih Seraphim Initiative.. 288	Posted - 2013.12.13 18:39:00 - [52] - Quote Now, how to convince major EVE OB suppliers to help and back us up on this...
Sgt Kirk SyNergy Gaming EoN. 3533	Posted - 2013.12.13 18:40:00 - [53] - Quote The Furtive Pygmy wrote: Someone who goes 20-0 gets the same payout as someone who goes 0-20 The difference between level 1 and level 10 is a paltry 300 points Why exactly am I dumping millions of ISK into this game mode again? No thanks, CCP My thoughts exactly. Good ol' CCP, thinking things out thoroughly.
Arkena Wyrnspire Turalyon 514 Turalyon Alliance 6103	Posted - 2013.12.13 18:45:00 - [54] - Quote Support. The payouts simply aren't worth it. Even at level 10 it's not that much - If we had a market so it was actually possible to run FW for profit, it would be better, but pubmatches are still worth more in terms of personal gain. That's contradictory to the idea of a risk vs reward balance - the risk in FW is higher, with harsh penalties for losing, friendly fire, etc, yet the payouts are worth much less. Level 6 Forum Warrior Lenin of the glorious armoured revolution Gallente FW - 'Turalyon'
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. Public Disorder. 2303	Posted - 2013.12.13 18:47:00 - [55] - Quote Protected Void wrote: I'm kind of torn on this. While I certainly think LP payout should be a bit higher at the top standing levels, I also see a strong case for not making it too high, either. Also - and this is my main point - FW matches have been so much more fun playing than regular pub matches. Out of the 25 or so FW matches I've played, only one has been an outright stomp. And even then, the losing team didn't give up and go into AFK/sniper mode. They kept coming and actually made some progress at one point through sheer persistence. Also, I'm hugely enjoying the drastic reduction in explosives usage and more controlled firing that most people are exhibiting. I haven't seen any "even more stupid blueberries" in the matches I've played. People are investing a lot of their ISK into these battles for the rewards that were advertised in the Dev blog. Remove time in battle from ISK payout formula and provide a bonus to winning team... Watch battles become fun again.
Lance 2ballzStrong SyNergy Gaming EoN. 4615	Posted - 2013.12.13 18:47:00 - [56] - Quote Assault players should boycott... CCP mainly listens to them ( ._.) <('.'<) "There there Mr. Heavy, it's not your fault CCP doesn't care about you"
Morathi III Policeman of the Federation 82	Posted - 2013.12.13 18:48:00 - [57] - Quote Lance 2ballzStrong wrote: Assault players should boycott... CCP mainly listens to them You dont haved buy the new merc pack for the Mauler heavy?
Lance 2ballzStrong SyNergy Gaming EoN. 4617	Posted - 2013.12.13 18:50:00 - [58] - Quote Morathi III wrote: Lance 2ballzStrong wrote: Assault players should boycott... CCP mainly listens to them You dont haved buy the new merc pack for the Mauler heavy? I have no idea. I haven't bought a thing in this game since Chromosome. ( ._.) <('.'<) "There there Mr. Heavy, it's not your fault CCP doesn't care about you"
Morathi III Policeman of the Federation 82	Posted - 2013.12.13 18:51:00 - [59] - Quote Lance 2ballzStrong wrote: Morathi III wrote: Lance 2ballzStrong wrote: Assault players should boycott... CCP mainly listens to them You dont haved buy the new merc pack for the Mauler heavy? I have no idea. I haven't bought a thing in this game since Chromosome. Good things, just go take a look at the Mauler Heavy and try to dont laugh
Cyrius Li-Moody The New Age Outlaws WINMATAR. 2255	Posted - 2013.12.13 18:58:00 - [60] - Quote Outlaws will be not be participating in FW at the level we previously have. We started out as FW corp and now we're like "well, alright, why is this worth it?" Youtuber. Your friendly neighborhood whiskey-fueled merc.



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