DUST Search - A Call to Boycott FW

Bethhy wrote:

Thor Odinson42 wrote:

Bethhy wrote:

Nothing is supposed to be quick ... It takes a long time to get 10 standing's with any corporation in EVE... why should DUST mercenaries have it easier? because its a free to play game?

I may be sick but I love the grind. I want to work for what i get... makes it that much more better when I get it.

There are some that want an "easy" mode for every game they play.... You guys already have aim assist.... isnt DUST set on "easy" enough for you guys? Roll

I personally don't want to achieve Level 10 quickly. I'm willing to grind.

But I want the grind to be worth it.

I think you also need to think about lower SP and average players as well. I generally run around a 2.0 KDR, lots of folks struggle going positive. It's not going to hurt a person that runs a 10.0 KDR's wallet (not to mention being in the top PC corp in the game).

Try to have some perspective.

I make new characters all the time to gain perspective. And yes people who care less about ISK don't mind dyeing in FW for the LP gear. Or even investing half their ISK to transfer a big chunk over to the LP store... so we can get items to run in PC... lol

But in all truth none of that is really what people where looking for in FW at this stage... and yes gear is nice...

We wanted an environment where people joined with the intention of winning.. and loosing has a consequence, where people would fit there best suit/vehicle and fight for the win not the KD/R.

FW should be a middle ground for DUST people... as PC is to laggy to even allow up and coming skilled DUST players to compete.

FW being a middle ground for progression in DUST shouldn't make it a viable option for a 1 month old player to play it solely, and hurt's the people who have made it to that level more then the new player.

Two factions are feeling this issue right now where people are running BPO's non stop on Amarr and Caldari and putting their side at a massive disadvantage... to the point where the Amarrian and Caldari faithful have jumped ship.

And everyone who has ran PC from Uprising 1.0 have asked CCP to work on the upward mobility in new merc's towards PC... tthey have created this boy's club that no one asked for and made it hard on corporation CEO's to maintain activity within corp's when not at direct war from the same groups of people everyone in PC has fought over and over since it's launched.

We asked for 8vs8 corp battles to be implemented BACK into DUST from Uprising 1.0, to give a smaller competitive venue for two up and coming or rival corps.. and a place for smaller corps to start building team work...

If people are getting lvl 10 standings in 2 months of work(good luck doing that in EVE) that is to much for me.. So yea its fine for me. At least until we get a player market then we can actually look at the economic's of LP gear ad what it does tot he economy.

Remove time in battle from ISK payout formula and provide a bonus to winning team... Watch battles become fun again.

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mollerz Minja Scouts 1305	Posted - 2013.12.13 18:59:00 - [61] - Quote I think the formula is this- FW= 100% BPO suits. If you are lucky enough to have a valor, sever, or raven suit (others) that get the racial skill bonus- that's the ticket to punch right there. All BPO modules. Let your high skills take up the slack. Use your pool of ISK (now worth 8 or so times more in the LP store) and LPs to buy and amass proto gear. Protostomp (or hell stick to the free suit) in pub matches for ISK for about ten matches and then go back to FW. One day you'll have a huge warehouse full of cheap protogear waiting for when you need it. Or sell it and become an 8 figga minja. I can't see any other way to play FW. I feel bad for new players, tho. They have quite the uphill battle. #shittycoding
Lance 2ballzStrong SyNergy Gaming EoN. 4619	Posted - 2013.12.13 19:00:00 - [62] - Quote Morathi III wrote: Lance 2ballzStrong wrote: Morathi III wrote: Lance 2ballzStrong wrote: Assault players should boycott... CCP mainly listens to them You dont haved buy the new merc pack for the Mauler heavy? I have no idea. I haven't bought a thing in this game since Chromosome. Good things, just go take a look at the Mauler Heavy and try to dont laugh I could imagine... ( ._.) <('.'<) "There there Mr. Heavy, it's not your fault CCP doesn't care about you"
Morathi III Policeman of the Federation 82	Posted - 2013.12.13 19:05:00 - [63] - Quote Lance 2ballzStrong wrote: Morathi III wrote: Lance 2ballzStrong wrote: Morathi III wrote: Lance 2ballzStrong wrote: Assault players should boycott... CCP mainly listens to them You dont haved buy the new merc pack for the Mauler heavy? I have no idea. I haven't bought a thing in this game since Chromosome. Good things, just go take a look at the Mauler Heavy and try to dont laugh I could imagine... Have you tried to play in 1.7 with your HMG.... Everybody get a proto combat rifle or rail rifle... In the past you were the amarr heavy, now we can call you the cake heavy, no trolling, the game just came worst every day for you and im not a heavy to say you that
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. Public Disorder. 2305	Posted - 2013.12.13 19:07:00 - [64] - Quote mollerz wrote: I think the formula is this- FW= 100% BPO suits. If you are lucky enough to have a valor, sever, or raven suit (others) that get the racial skill bonus- that's the ticket to punch right there. All BPO modules. Let your high skills take up the slack. Use your pool of ISK (now worth 8 or so times more in the LP store) and LPs to buy and amass proto gear. Protostomp (or hell stick to the free suit) in pub matches for ISK for about ten matches and then go back to FW. One day you'll have a huge warehouse full of cheap protogear waiting for when you need it. Or sell it and become an 8 figga minja. I can't see any other way to play FW. I feel bad for new players, tho. They have quite the uphill battle. But it shouldn't be this. Players should have something that they can rock their good gear in. Don't say PC because PC isn't available to 90% of Dust. Remove time in battle from ISK payout formula and provide a bonus to winning team... Watch battles become fun again.
Morathi III Policeman of the Federation 83	Posted - 2013.12.13 19:10:00 - [65] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: mollerz wrote: I think the formula is this- FW= 100% BPO suits. If you are lucky enough to have a valor, sever, or raven suit (others) that get the racial skill bonus- that's the ticket to punch right there. All BPO modules. Let your high skills take up the slack. Use your pool of ISK (now worth 8 or so times more in the LP store) and LPs to buy and amass proto gear. Protostomp (or hell stick to the free suit) in pub matches for ISK for about ten matches and then go back to FW. One day you'll have a huge warehouse full of cheap protogear waiting for when you need it. Or sell it and become an 8 figga minja. I can't see any other way to play FW. I feel bad for new players, tho. They have quite the uphill battle. But it shouldn't be this. Players should have something that they can rock their good gear in. Don't say PC because PC isn't available to 90% of Dust. PC
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. Public Disorder. 2311	Posted - 2013.12.13 19:10:00 - [66] - Quote Morathi III wrote: Thor Odinson42 wrote: mollerz wrote: I think the formula is this- FW= 100% BPO suits. If you are lucky enough to have a valor, sever, or raven suit (others) that get the racial skill bonus- that's the ticket to punch right there. All BPO modules. Let your high skills take up the slack. Use your pool of ISK (now worth 8 or so times more in the LP store) and LPs to buy and amass proto gear. Protostomp (or hell stick to the free suit) in pub matches for ISK for about ten matches and then go back to FW. One day you'll have a huge warehouse full of cheap protogear waiting for when you need it. Or sell it and become an 8 figga minja. I can't see any other way to play FW. I feel bad for new players, tho. They have quite the uphill battle. But it shouldn't be this. Players should have something that they can rock their good gear in. Don't say PC because PC isn't available to 90% of Dust. PC lol Remove time in battle from ISK payout formula and provide a bonus to winning team... Watch battles become fun again.
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. Public Disorder. 2313	Posted - 2013.12.13 19:36:00 - [67] - Quote bump Remove time in battle from ISK payout formula and provide a bonus to winning team... Watch battles become fun again.
mollerz Minja Scouts 1310	Posted - 2013.12.13 20:23:00 - [68] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: mollerz wrote: I think the formula is this- FW= 100% BPO suits. If you are lucky enough to have a valor, sever, or raven suit (others) that get the racial skill bonus- that's the ticket to punch right there. All BPO modules. Let your high skills take up the slack. Use your pool of ISK (now worth 8 or so times more in the LP store) and LPs to buy and amass proto gear. Protostomp (or hell stick to the free suit) in pub matches for ISK for about ten matches and then go back to FW. One day you'll have a huge warehouse full of cheap protogear waiting for when you need it. Or sell it and become an 8 figga minja. I can't see any other way to play FW. I feel bad for new players, tho. They have quite the uphill battle. But it shouldn't be this. Players should have something that they can rock their good gear in. Don't say PC because PC isn't available to 90% of Dust. Well, My opinion is that their market is totally fubar, and there's future money to be made here. There is no doubt it will change, but I am betting ti will be towards the fact that everything is cheap, and the payouts too low. It has cautious written all over it. These opportunities arise once in awhile in dust. #shittycoding
Aero Yassavi Scions of Athra 4050	Posted - 2013.12.13 20:42:00 - [69] - Quote Boycotting Dust all together. Angels of vengeance, angels of mercy, scions of Athra. Amarr Victor
crazy space 1 GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention 2078	Posted - 2013.12.13 20:43:00 - [70] - Quote no it's been one day it'll change. Do you not get it yet? every build is a different game. You can get AUR items for isk guys. Remote mines to stick to things! everything changes, it's CCP, they can never make up their minds

Ghost Kaisar THIRD EARTH INCORPORATED Dark Taboo 1161	Posted - 2013.12.13 20:45:00 - [71] - Quote Lynn Beck wrote: I'm with katana. If they find that nobody is leveling to 10, then they might reconsider Like any can make it that far. Every accident that gets you kicked costs you 6 wins. I got banned for a flux gone wrong Minmatar Faction Warfare: Let's get Organized
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. Public Disorder. 2337	Posted - 2013.12.13 20:46:00 - [72] - Quote mollerz wrote: Thor Odinson42 wrote: mollerz wrote: I think the formula is this- FW= 100% BPO suits. If you are lucky enough to have a valor, sever, or raven suit (others) that get the racial skill bonus- that's the ticket to punch right there. All BPO modules. Let your high skills take up the slack. Use your pool of ISK (now worth 8 or so times more in the LP store) and LPs to buy and amass proto gear. Protostomp (or hell stick to the free suit) in pub matches for ISK for about ten matches and then go back to FW. One day you'll have a huge warehouse full of cheap protogear waiting for when you need it. Or sell it and become an 8 figga minja. I can't see any other way to play FW. I feel bad for new players, tho. They have quite the uphill battle. But it shouldn't be this. Players should have something that they can rock their good gear in. Don't say PC because PC isn't available to 90% of Dust. Well, My opinion is that their market is totally fubar, and there's future money to be made here. There is no doubt it will change, but I am betting ti will be towards the fact that everything is cheap, and the payouts too low. It has cautious written all over it. These opportunities arise once in awhile in dust. I'd agree if CCP hadn't specifically stated that they want an ISK sink and they don't want people to be able to play FW exclusively. Remove time in battle from ISK payout formula and provide a bonus to winning team... Watch battles become fun again.
Nirwanda Vaughns 251	Posted - 2013.12.13 20:51:00 - [73] - Quote AFK pub matches til cap out for the isk then afk FW for the LP and standing for rest of the week. its a win/win situation It's only after we have lost everything, are we free to do anything.... Unless CCP take away your BPOs
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. Public Disorder. 2337	Posted - 2013.12.13 20:53:00 - [74] - Quote crazy space 1 wrote: no it's been one day it'll change. Do you not get it yet? every build is a different game. You can get AUR items for isk guys. Remote mines to stick to things! everything changes, it's CCP, they can never make up their minds LOL, they changed it today They updated the numbers for the standings and the LP payouts I've seen some of the actual numbers people are putting together in regards to how bad of an ISK sink this could be and it's bad. Remove time in battle from ISK payout formula and provide a bonus to winning team... Watch battles become fun again.
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. Public Disorder. 2343	Posted - 2013.12.13 21:29:00 - [75] - Quote Bump Remove time in battle from ISK payout formula and provide a bonus to winning team... Watch battles become fun again.
Savaric Koldaga Molon Labe. Public Disorder. 29	Posted - 2013.12.13 22:18:00 - [76] - Quote Nirwanda Vaughns wrote: AFK pub matches til cap out for the isk then afk FW for the LP and standing for rest of the week. its a win/win situation Yes because half a team AFKing in the mcc is a sure fire way to fix the problem...
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. Public Disorder. 2351	Posted - 2013.12.14 01:21:00 - [77] - Quote Savaric Koldaga wrote: Nirwanda Vaughns wrote: AFK pub matches til cap out for the isk then afk FW for the LP and standing for rest of the week. its a win/win situation Yes because half a team AFKing in the mcc is a sure fire way to fix the problem... Even if I agreed with AFK, I couldn't do it. If the game is on I'm playing. I can't even snipe for more than a minute or two. Same for roof camping. Remove time in battle from ISK payout formula and provide a bonus to winning team... Watch battles become fun again.
Daddrobit PFB Pink Fluffy Bunnies 385	Posted - 2013.12.14 01:42:00 - [78] - Quote Yeah, I stopped today myself. And I was actually having so much fun dropping real OBs, looking forward to using the LP store and having good matches against people. But when I refreshed my tab on the FW blog and saw the changes... It really isn't worth it anymore in the slightest. I'm not gonna grind through another 180 victories, fighting for lost games with no standings gain where the only thing I get is salvage that 95% of which I don't use, fighting against getting kicked from matches because blueberries can't watch out for RE, slogging through bans that put me back 6 victories and keep me out until the next day, so I can have 300 more points than someone who just does a few. Naw, I'm good.
Bethhy Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 464	Posted - 2013.12.14 01:47:00 - [79] - Quote Nothing is supposed to be quick ... It takes a long time to get 10 standing's with any corporation in EVE... why should DUST mercenaries have it easier? because its a free to play game? I may be sick but I love the grind. I want to work for what i get... makes it that much more better when I get it. There are some that want an "easy" mode for every game they play.... You guys already have aim assist.... isnt DUST set on "easy" enough for you guys?
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. Public Disorder. 2351	Posted - 2013.12.14 01:48:00 - [80] - Quote Daddrobit wrote: Yeah, I stopped today myself. And I was actually having so much fun dropping real OBs, looking forward to using the LP store and having good matches against people. But when I refreshed my tab on the FW blog and saw the changes... It really isn't worth it anymore in the slightest. I'm not gonna grind through another 180 victories, fighting for lost games with no standings gain where the only thing I get is salvage that 95% of which I don't use, fighting against getting kicked from matches because blueberries can't watch out for RE, slogging through bans that put me back 6 victories and keep me out until the next day, so I can have 300 more points than someone who just does a few. Naw, I'm good. I hope CCP is reading this thread Remove time in battle from ISK payout formula and provide a bonus to winning team... Watch battles become fun again.

Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. Public Disorder. 2353	Posted - 2013.12.14 01:49:00 - [81] - Quote Bethhy wrote: Nothing is supposed to be quick ... It takes a long time to get 10 standing's with any corporation in EVE... why should DUST mercenaries have it easier? because its a free to play game? I may be sick but I love the grind. I want to work for what i get... makes it that much more better when I get it. There are some that want an "easy" mode for every game they play.... You guys already have aim assist.... isnt DUST set on "easy" enough for you guys? I personally don't want to achieve Level 10 quickly. I'm willing to grind. But I want the grind to be worth it. I think you also need to think about lower SP and average players as well. I generally run around a 2.0 KDR, lots of folks struggle going positive. It's not going to hurt a person that runs a 10.0 KDR's wallet (not to mention being in the top PC corp in the game). Try to have some perspective. Remove time in battle from ISK payout formula and provide a bonus to winning team... Watch battles become fun again.
Bethhy Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 464	Posted - 2013.12.14 02:19:00 - [82] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: Bethhy wrote: Nothing is supposed to be quick ... It takes a long time to get 10 standing's with any corporation in EVE... why should DUST mercenaries have it easier? because its a free to play game? I may be sick but I love the grind. I want to work for what i get... makes it that much more better when I get it. There are some that want an "easy" mode for every game they play.... You guys already have aim assist.... isnt DUST set on "easy" enough for you guys? I personally don't want to achieve Level 10 quickly. I'm willing to grind. But I want the grind to be worth it. I think you also need to think about lower SP and average players as well. I generally run around a 2.0 KDR, lots of folks struggle going positive. It's not going to hurt a person that runs a 10.0 KDR's wallet (not to mention being in the top PC corp in the game). Try to have some perspective. I make new characters all the time to gain perspective. And yes people who care less about ISK don't mind dyeing in FW for the LP gear. Or even investing half their ISK to transfer a big chunk over to the LP store... so we can get items to run in PC... lol But in all truth none of that is really what people where looking for in FW at this stage... and yes gear is nice... We wanted an environment where people joined with the intention of winning.. and loosing has a consequence, where people would fit there best suit/vehicle and fight for the win not the KD/R. FW should be a middle ground for DUST people... as PC is to laggy to even allow up and coming skilled DUST players to compete. FW being a middle ground for progression in DUST shouldn't make it a viable option for a 1 month old player to play it solely, and hurt's the people who have made it to that level more then the new player. Two factions are feeling this issue right now where people are running BPO's non stop on Amarr and Caldari and putting their side at a massive disadvantage... to the point where the Amarrian and Caldari faithful have jumped ship. And everyone who has ran PC from Uprising 1.0 have asked CCP to work on the upward mobility in new merc's towards PC... tthey have created this boy's club that no one asked for and made it hard on corporation CEO's to maintain activity within corp's when not at direct war from the same groups of people everyone in PC has fought over and over since it's launched. We asked for 8vs8 corp battles to be implemented BACK into DUST from Uprising 1.0, to give a smaller competitive venue for two up and coming or rival corps.. and a place for smaller corps to start building team work... If people are getting lvl 10 standings in 2 months of work(good luck doing that in EVE) that is to much for me.. So yea its fine for me. At least until we get a player market then we can actually look at the economic's of LP gear and what it does to the economy of its trade.
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. Public Disorder. 2353	Posted - 2013.12.14 02:28:00 - [83] - Quote Bethhy wrote: Thor Odinson42 wrote: Bethhy wrote: Nothing is supposed to be quick ... It takes a long time to get 10 standing's with any corporation in EVE... why should DUST mercenaries have it easier? because its a free to play game? I may be sick but I love the grind. I want to work for what i get... makes it that much more better when I get it. There are some that want an "easy" mode for every game they play.... You guys already have aim assist.... isnt DUST set on "easy" enough for you guys? I personally don't want to achieve Level 10 quickly. I'm willing to grind. But I want the grind to be worth it. I think you also need to think about lower SP and average players as well. I generally run around a 2.0 KDR, lots of folks struggle going positive. It's not going to hurt a person that runs a 10.0 KDR's wallet (not to mention being in the top PC corp in the game). Try to have some perspective. I make new characters all the time to gain perspective. And yes people who care less about ISK don't mind dyeing in FW for the LP gear. Or even investing half their ISK to transfer a big chunk over to the LP store... so we can get items to run in PC... lol But in all truth none of that is really what people where looking for in FW at this stage... and yes gear is nice... We wanted an environment where people joined with the intention of winning.. and loosing has a consequence, where people would fit there best suit/vehicle and fight for the win not the KD/R. FW should be a middle ground for DUST people... as PC is to laggy to even allow up and coming skilled DUST players to compete. FW being a middle ground for progression in DUST shouldn't make it a viable option for a 1 month old player to play it solely, and hurt's the people who have made it to that level more then the new player. Two factions are feeling this issue right now where people are running BPO's non stop on Amarr and Caldari and putting their side at a massive disadvantage... to the point where the Amarrian and Caldari faithful have jumped ship. And everyone who has ran PC from Uprising 1.0 have asked CCP to work on the upward mobility in new merc's towards PC... tthey have created this boy's club that no one asked for and made it hard on corporation CEO's to maintain activity within corp's when not at direct war from the same groups of people everyone in PC has fought over and over since it's launched. We asked for 8vs8 corp battles to be implemented BACK into DUST from Uprising 1.0, to give a smaller competitive venue for two up and coming or rival corps.. and a place for smaller corps to start building team work... If people are getting lvl 10 standings in 2 months of work(good luck doing that in EVE) that is to much for me.. So yea its fine for me. At least until we get a player market then we can actually look at the economic's of LP gear ad what it does tot he economy. Agree with everything you wrote, but it has to be more sustainable. Perhaps increase the specialist weapon cost and allow for people to more easily sustain themselves fighting in FW. I think adding team deploy in FW will help raise the overall skill level to boost participation in PC. But really I'd rather see FW evolve into what PC is. I've posted in other threads about it. Kane actually talked about in one of the FW Skype chats. The idea being Eve FW corps being able to hire corps to defend systems when they reach a vulnerable status. Different size districts with squad size fights, etc. But we've been crunching numbers in the Skype chat and the payouts are simply not sustainable. Add to the fact that CCP has stated that they don't want people exclusively doing FW along with their belief in the need for an ISK sink and I think it's a big problem. Remove time in battle from ISK payout formula and provide a bonus to winning team... Watch battles become fun again.
Lorhak Gannarsein 690	Posted - 2013.12.14 02:53:00 - [84] - Quote ^^ this ^^ I'd think that grinding 300 wins (or whatever) would earn some reasonably nice rewards... Especially if you fight for Amarr... And if I'm not doing FW exclusively, I don't want to do it at all. I'm not grinding for hours to play a single match, and I'm sure as hell not wasting my time in FW in BPO suits. >Cosgar: You know, tanks are actually paper thin once their modules are in cooldown.
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. Public Disorder. 2362	Posted - 2013.12.14 03:01:00 - [85] - Quote Lorhak Gannarsein wrote: ^^ this ^^ I'd think that grinding 300 wins (or whatever) would earn some reasonably nice rewards... Especially if you fight for Amarr... And if I'm not doing FW exclusively, I don't want to do it at all. I'm not grinding for hours to play a single match, and I'm sure as hell not wasting my time in FW in BPO suits. I think the majority of people feel this way. Now it's up to CCP to make it possible. FW provides content for me for the foreseeable future. It's right in front of them, hopefully they recognize it. Remove time in battle from ISK payout formula and provide a bonus to winning team... Watch battles become fun again.
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. Public Disorder. 2371	Posted - 2013.12.14 17:54:00 - [86] - Quote Bump Remove time in battle from ISK payout formula and provide a bonus to winning team... Watch battles become fun again.
steadyhand amarr Scions of Athra 2096	Posted - 2013.12.14 17:56:00 - [87] - Quote Pish iv just quit dust all together their never going to get it right "i dont care about you or your goals, just show me the dam isk" winner of EU squad cup GOGO power rangers
Patrick57 Fatal Absolution 2059	Posted - 2013.12.14 18:04:00 - [88] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: They need participation to look at the data. But these updated LP payouts for standings are just simply not going to cut it. CCP has a history of responding to player outrage. This is something I believe we can all agree on. These payouts are crap. And this was the one area that had created some enthusiasm for the game. Don't play FW until they agree to make the grind for standings worthwhile. \o/ When I'm depressed, I cut myself......A BIG SLICE OF CHOCOLATE CAKE!


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