Ok' let me do my best to be reasonable here...:



GÖª Leave tanks as they are
GÖª Fix MLT Afterburner for ground vehicles
GÖª GIve us back 1.6 AV weaponry:
GùÿBring back old FG damages but leave current charge times
GùÿLeave Swarm launcher damage but buff range to 225-250mts
GùÿBring back Old AV grenades
GùÿBuff Plasma cannon

GÖª Increase Price of tanks to match their performance.
GÖª Give LESS HP to MLT tanks. (4000 armor on my SOMA, srsly?) Around 2800 armor for a soma would be enough (3800 total EHP for a cheap MLT version)
GÖª Reduce the amount of tanks a team can deploy from 7 down to 3




hmmm... seems about right...

When the "window of owning this fk" can easily evade without even having to activate NOS mods, let me know.

Ok' let me do my best to be reasonable here...:



GÖª Leave tanks as they are
GÖª Fix MLT Afterburner for ground vehicles
GÖª GIve us back 1.6 AV weaponry:
GùÿBring back old FG damages but leave current charge times
GùÿLeave Swarm launcher damage but buff range to 225-250mts
GùÿBring back Old AV grenades
GùÿBuff Plasma cannon

GÖª Increase Price of tanks to match their performance.
GÖª Give LESS HP to MLT tanks. (4000 armor on my SOMA, srsly?) Around 2800 armor for a soma would be enough (3800 total EHP for a cheap MLT version)
GÖª Reduce the amount of tanks a team can deploy from 7 down to 3




hmmm... seems about right...

OK! I KNOW THAT BUT WHY DON'T YOU USE YOUR BRAIN AND MAKE IT SO YOU ARE MAKING IT IMPOSSIBLE FOR HIM TO GET TO HIS REDLINE!?

Oh yeah.

I'll go zip past the front lines filled with nothing but enemies to get behind the target.

That will end well.

Plasma cannon could use a burning effect.

Oh yeah.

I'll go zip past the front lines filled with nothing but enemies to get behind the target.

That will end well.

They could, bit that would be icing on the cake. Trying to use that to balance them is too risky, the other AV should be buffed first. I say this only because Proto Swarms have a similar damage to the standard Plasma Cannon.

I've blown up at least 8 tanks since 1.7, with nothing but grenades and REs. The only time I really had trouble was a maddy that was abusing the MLT injector. What exactly are you guys doing that's harder than running up behind a tank and planting bombs on it?

I agree with you but it really makes me mad that you act like its impossible to kill a tank and its really not. Tanks are stupidly powerful and at the same time stupidly weak. You have a window of owning this fk, wait for the window.

The Biggest problem is the speed. I saw in a video a tank jumping on a Dropship !!! First let them fix that and then we will see. Nobody wants HAV to be nerfed.

Outside of the nitro glitch tanks should not be touched. Swarms should get there range back. Forge is fine. Plasma Cannon is fine. AV grenades should get a quarter of the damage they lost back.

Nothing else should be touched at all.

I know i might be exaggerating a little bit,but its the only way since vehicle users are exaggerating saying everything is ok.

Tanks might be fine (except for MLT boosters and very low cooldowns on their powerful hardeners)
But AV is NOT fine, there by the sense of OPness.

Ok' let me do my best to be reasonable here...:



GÖª Leave tanks as they are
GÖª Fix MLT Afterburner for ground vehicles
GÖª GIve us back 1.6 AV weaponry:
GùÿBring back old FG damages but leave current charge times
GùÿLeave Swarm launcher damage but buff range to 225-250mts
GùÿBring back Old AV grenades
GùÿBuff Plasma cannon

GÖª Increase Price of tanks to match their performance.
GÖª Give LESS HP to MLT tanks. (4000 armor on my SOMA, srsly?) Around 2800 armor for a soma would be enough (3800 total EHP for a cheap MLT version)
GÖª Reduce the amount of tanks a team can deploy from 7 down to 3




hmmm... seems about right...

1-You can't leave tanks as they are and revert to 1.6 AV.
The tanks could never survive. It would be a bloodbath.

3-I also think they should leave FG damage, but reduce the charge times.

4-Old AV grenades were horribly OP and should never be brought back.

5-Any homing AV needs to not get any sort of buff. No more scrub BS. If you can't aim, you can't kill tanks.

milita tanks are OP!!! Thats the truth ladies and gentlmen.

you are terrible at the game then, I one shotted a soma with an adv fg with no problem cuz its hardeners were off


learn new ways and tactics to kill tanks or use tanks yourself or GTFO

And they should.

FIRE AND FORGET WEAPONS SHOULD NEVER BE THE TOP TIER AV WEAPON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

FFS, why is it that no one seems to be able to understand this.

You reinforce skill play be making it provide greater rewards.

You want to push a tank back? Here are some swarms. That will keep them off you.

You want to kill a tank? Here is a PLC, or you can have a FG.

Swarms and AV nades are absolutely skillless, and as such should carry very little power.

I don't like to use other games as examples, especially bad ones, but look at BF4.

Stinger and Igla, are both low skill, low output weapons. You cannot one hit a chopper with them.

Step up to the SRAW, which you have to guide to target manually, and it is a OHK.

Now, I don't necessarily agree with that particular example, because I think the SRAW is a little easy to use, but you get the idea.

If it takes more effort, it produces bigger results. Swarms take no effort, same with AV nades.

dude, there is barley a difference between my fully specced and tricked out gunnlogi and a milita tank.. The modules levels are all based on cooldown times! not cool CCP! The complex should last longer and cool down faster and milita ones providing same portection should last less longer and taker longer to cool down. The Shield extenders/armor extenders need to give more Hp. the booster for the shield is pointless, we got passive recharge..

You forgot to take into account that I compared a STANDARD Plasma Cannon to a PROTO Swarm Launcher. With this in mind Plasma Cannons are right now better than Swarm Launchers if you have the connection and skill.

You also forget to take into account that the Plasma Cannon is also anti infantry. I do not think you have seen a proto Allotek Plasma Cannon with Complex damage mods and 15% damage proficiency. I have. It is amazing.

So consider that you are trying to balance around the standard weapon while forgetting that the Proto is many times better.

message from Godin: No. All that's needed is a few adjustments with the speed/acceleration of the HAV's, and a hardener nerf dealing with the active time/cooldown on the shield hardeners. Otherwise, vehicles are fine. Quiet noob.

1. Tanks have less HP than they had in 1.6 If you revert to 1.6 AV values, tanks survival time will be measured in Planck time.

Please keep in mind, that tanks now are running with much less HP, and only slightly better resists. So any increase to alpha damage in AV weapons without an equal bump in vehicle HP would leave us worse off than 1.6 for balance. It would be great for AV, but that is only half the equation. We also have to be aware of power creep. If anything, this vehicle rebalnce has given CCP a blank check to make sure we don't get some power creep, but that will have to wait and see how they play it.

4. AV grenades, along with LLAV's were one of the biggest problems in 1.0-1.6. Most people have no idea how insanely easy it was to roll up in a LAV, chuck three grenades, and then finish them off with a Forge round. You can go ask SteeldarkKnight from AE how that felt. In two PC's I rolled up and solo'd his tanks at least a half dozen times. That was in a PC, with both of us using our best fits, and I knew, for a fact, that he did not stand a chance. Most of that was because of the nades. The damage was completely insane. Leave them as they are. They should be supplemental damage, not primary attack.

5. I am not opposed to a swarm range buff, although the exact number should be determined after the worst of the tank spam has died off.

You're basically asking for them to put everything back to how it was in 1.6

GùÿBring back old FG damages but leave current charge times (Or as A.General proposed , decrease charge times and leave Damage)

GùÿLeave Swarm launcher damage but buff range to 225-250mts (dumbfire could be an option)
GùÿBuff Grenade damage by 30%

[b]GÖª Increase Price of tanks to match their performance.

GÖª Give LESS HP to MLT tanks. (4000 armor on my SOMA, srsly?) Around 2800 armor for a soma would be enough (3800 total EHP for a cheap MLT version)

GÖª Reduce the amount of tanks a team can deploy from 7 down to 3