You're a terrible player... Tanks are easy to kill, you just really suck at using tactics and using the tiny brain you have.

Also- a "good" tank cost around 550k isk and 9 mil worth of sp... Just saying. Tanks are not cheap at all, cheaper than before but it adds up when you die a lot. Railguns are really OP right now.


What i want: 1.6 with todays Av nerfs.

You're basically asking for them to put everything back to how it was in 1.6

I agree except for the swarm range from a DS perspective. I'd rather bring back the old swarm damage.

My opinion

I would be fine with a buff to the current lock on range, but I think pre-1.7 range was a bit much. Being far out-ranged and having almost no cover isn't exactly fair either. Check out some of some of Judge Radamanthus' videos on swarm vs. ADS ranges, he makes a pretty good case for the DS.

message from Godin: No. All that's needed is a few adjustments with the speed/acceleration of the HAV's, and a hardener nerf dealing with the active time/cooldown on the shield hardeners. Otherwise, vehicles are fine. Quiet noob.

No the swarms 400m range was ridiculous. I would say it would need no more then 250m range.

I've blown up at least 8 tanks since 1.7, with nothing but grenades and REs. The only time I really had trouble was a maddy that was abusing the MLT injector. What exactly are you guys doing that's harder than running up behind a tank and planting bombs on it?

I agree with you but it really makes me mad that you act like its impossible to kill a tank and its really not. Tanks are stupidly powerful and at the same time stupidly weak. You have a window of owning this fk, wait for the window.

The Biggest problem is the speed. I saw in a video a tank jumping on a Dropship !!! First let them fix that and then we will see. Nobody wants HAV to be nerfed.

Outside of the nitro glitch tanks should not be touched. Swarms should get there range back. Forge is fine. Plasma Cannon is fine. AV grenades should get a quarter of the damage they lost back.

Nothing else should be touched at all.

1-You can't leave tanks as they are and revert to 1.6 AV.
The tanks could never survive. It would be a bloodbath.

3-I also think they should leave FG damage, but reduce the charge times.

4-Old AV grenades were horribly OP and should never be brought back.

5-Any homing AV needs to not get any sort of buff. No more scrub BS. If you can't aim, you can't kill tanks.

milita tanks are OP!!! Thats the truth ladies and gentlmen.

you are terrible at the game then, I one shotted a soma with an adv fg with no problem cuz its hardeners were off


learn new ways and tactics to kill tanks or use tanks yourself or GTFO

dude, there is barley a difference between my fully specced and tricked out gunnlogi and a milita tank.. The modules levels are all based on cooldown times! not cool CCP! The complex should last longer and cool down faster and milita ones providing same portection should last less longer and taker longer to cool down. The Shield extenders/armor extenders need to give more Hp. the booster for the shield is pointless, we got passive recharge..

1. Tanks have less HP than they had in 1.6 If you revert to 1.6 AV values, tanks survival time will be measured in Planck time.

Please keep in mind, that tanks now are running with much less HP, and only slightly better resists. So any increase to alpha damage in AV weapons without an equal bump in vehicle HP would leave us worse off than 1.6 for balance. It would be great for AV, but that is only half the equation. We also have to be aware of power creep. If anything, this vehicle rebalnce has given CCP a blank check to make sure we don't get some power creep, but that will have to wait and see how they play it.

4. AV grenades, along with LLAV's were one of the biggest problems in 1.0-1.6. Most people have no idea how insanely easy it was to roll up in a LAV, chuck three grenades, and then finish them off with a Forge round. You can go ask SteeldarkKnight from AE how that felt. In two PC's I rolled up and solo'd his tanks at least a half dozen times. That was in a PC, with both of us using our best fits, and I knew, for a fact, that he did not stand a chance. Most of that was because of the nades. The damage was completely insane. Leave them as they are. They should be supplemental damage, not primary attack.

5. I am not opposed to a swarm range buff, although the exact number should be determined after the worst of the tank spam has died off.

How about tanks and AV go back to the way they were but CCP actually fixes the broken mechanics that were the real problems HAV and DS piolets had??????

Not just a nerf/buff cover up...


But that's assuming CCP knew how to actually fix something they broke...