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I-Shayz-I I-----I 1603	Posted - 2013.12.11 12:55:00 - [1] - Quote I have only gone positive isk-wise in a few matches since 1.7 deployed. I had 40k, now I'm almost down to 33ish. It's not like I run expensive suits either. My most expensive one right now costs 51k and I average about 30k per suit. But now it's like I die every other second playing this game. I've even been better about using cover instead of running out in the open, but even still I'm finding myself dying about 7-9 times every match. Just the other day I was only dying about 0-3 times per match. At this rate I'm going to have to start using free suits until I get some more isk... It's not just me though is it? I see other players on my team and the enemy team dying just as much or more (The top 3-4 players anyways). Could it be the new weapons? The fact that I'm running armor plates? Me not being used to the game yet? idk, I honestly don't think any specific weapon is OP or killing faster than I was dying back in 1.6...even though I still get pissed off every time I die by an AR. And I know for a fact that the combat rifle and rail rifle tear through shields fast enough that having more shields wouldn't exactly help much. I will try profile dampeners later...maybe that is the new thing. Links: List of Most Important Threads I make logistics videos!
Aikuchi Tomaru Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 1218	Posted - 2013.12.11 12:59:00 - [2] - Quote Noticed that too. I died at least twice as much as prior to the patch.
Kasote Denzara A Vulture 1278	Posted - 2013.12.11 13:00:00 - [3] - Quote I've been in FW, where every PC corp I run into is a slideshow. I know it's not FW itself, since the games without them are as smooth as they were before. I take it the modes outside of FW have been horrendous? SWEET MOTHER OF TERESA ON THE HOOD OF A MERCEDES BENZ, YOU SOUND LIKE A MAJESTIC EAGLE! DO YOU SING?!
KIRSTY j The Walking Targets 19	Posted - 2013.12.11 13:02:00 - [4] - Quote yes same here, it's like my stuff isn't working. going down in a few shots from everything, even in proto suits.
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. 2236	Posted - 2013.12.11 13:09:00 - [5] - Quote Kasote Denzara wrote: I've been in FW, where every PC corp I run into is a slideshow. I know it's not FW itself, since the games without them are as smooth as they were before. I take it the modes outside of FW have been horrendous? Are you implying that PC corps are part of some lag conspiracy? Remove time in battle from ISK payout formula and provide a bonus to winning team... Watch battles become fun again.
Asirius Medaius 744	Posted - 2013.12.11 13:11:00 - [6] - Quote I-Shayz-I wrote: I have only gone positive isk-wise in a few matches since 1.7 deployed. I had 40k, now I'm almost down to 33ish. It's not like I run expensive suits either. My most expensive one right now costs 51k and I average about 30k per suit. But now it's like I die every other second playing this game. I've even been better about using cover instead of running out in the open, but even still I'm finding myself dying about 7-9 times every match. Just the other day I was only dying about 0-3 times per match. At this rate I'm going to have to start using free suits until I get some more isk... It's not just me though is it? I see other players on my team and the enemy team dying just as much or more (The top 3-4 players anyways). Could it be the new weapons? The fact that I'm running armor plates? Me not being used to the game yet? idk, I honestly don't think any specific weapon is OP or killing faster than I was dying back in 1.6...even though I still get pissed off every time I die by an AR. And I know for a fact that the combat rifle and rail rifle tear through shields fast enough that having more shields wouldn't exactly help much. I will try profile dampeners later...maybe that is the new thing. 1.7 is making me feel like the Duvolle isn't relatively overpowered anymore... Every time I see a person with one, I just laugh and kill them with 2 shots of my Proto Rail Rifle @ 70 meters. Signature coming soonGäó. [Level 9 Forum Warrior]
Mortedeamor Imperfects Negative-Feedback 976	Posted - 2013.12.11 13:12:00 - [7] - Quote im making loads of money running mlt tanks u should try it bro
knight of 6 SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 814	Posted - 2013.12.11 13:19:00 - [8] - Quote I've been thinking it has something to do with aiming but you're right. the best I managed yesterday was 11/1 my average was like 4/9 or some ludicrously low number. i couldn't seem to get my WP count up either so I didn't get paid well. "God favors the side with the best artillery" ~ Napoleon Ko6, scout, tanker. CLOSED BETA VET
Foley Jones The Exemplars Top Men. 300	Posted - 2013.12.11 13:22:00 - [9] - Quote I blame the illuminati They have eyes even in dust...... Got dat Murderboner raging on
KIRSTY j The Walking Targets 19	Posted - 2013.12.11 13:27:00 - [10] - Quote knight of 6 wrote: I've been thinking it has something to do with aiming but you're right. the best I managed yesterday was 11/1 my average was like 4/9 or some ludicrously low number. i couldn't seem to get my WP count up either so I didn't get paid well. same here. haven't even been able to kill ten people, dieing more than i'm killing right now.

ResistanceGTA Valor Tactical Operations Immortal Coalition of New-Eden 72	Posted - 2013.12.11 13:41:00 - [11] - Quote I think part of the increased death countage is that so many people are using the new guns. There is a slight learning curve. Getting a feel for them, testing their limits, I know that killed me a couple of times, also the moving of sockets caught me off guard quite a bit. I still went overall positive, I think I died somewhere between 20-25 times in about the ten games I played yesterday, got more assists than usual, probably cause I'm favoring the RR and had at least 1 guy near me with a Prof. V CR. Did get a nice kill at 170m+ with the RR on a sniper, which was fun. (He had no health left, my buddy was just reloading, so I said 'screw it' and shot).
Lazy Scumbag Intara Direct Action Caldari State 72	Posted - 2013.12.11 13:46:00 - [12] - Quote I think the concept of this game keeps getting further from likeable... why anyone would elect to be a mercenary in New Eden is beyond me. Repetitive death, eventual bankruptcy, and our skills and weapons are repeatedly nerfed. Oh, and Scotty the matchmaker is clueless. Another great patch.
Acturus Galaxy Lo-Tech Solutions Ltd 269	Posted - 2013.12.11 13:52:00 - [13] - Quote The extra range of the rail rifles makes a huge difference including their high damage. I am in a scout suit with 50 meters passive scanner. They are further away and I do not have a chance of reacting once the open fire, not knowing where they are and where to take cover. I am going free BPO suits and will put points into tanks, the environment has become very unhealthy for my scout at the moment. It feels like only 2-4 shots are needed from the proto rail to kill me, I have no way of closing the many open areas without getting spotted and insta killed. A frustrating experience yesterday and it completely changes how I will be playing.
KIRSTY j The Walking Targets 19	Posted - 2013.12.11 13:53:00 - [14] - Quote I've been playing this game for a year now, think this is it for me. time to find a new game i recon
Darken-Sol BIG BAD W0LVES 779	Posted - 2013.12.11 13:57:00 - [15] - Quote Foley Jones wrote: I blame the illuminati They have eyes even in dust...... sounds painful
NAV HIV The Generals General Tso's Alliance 582	Posted - 2013.12.11 13:57:00 - [16] - Quote I-Shayz-I wrote: I have only gone positive isk-wise in a few matches since 1.7 deployed. I had 40k, now I'm almost down to 33ish. It's not like I run expensive suits either. My most expensive one right now costs 51k and I average about 30k per suit. But now it's like I die every other second playing this game. I've even been better about using cover instead of running out in the open, but even still I'm finding myself dying about 7-9 times every match. Just the other day I was only dying about 0-3 times per match. At this rate I'm going to have to start using free suits until I get some more isk... It's not just me though is it? I see other players on my team and the enemy team dying just as much or more (The top 3-4 players anyways). Could it be the new weapons? The fact that I'm running armor plates? Me not being used to the game yet? idk, I honestly don't think any specific weapon is OP or killing faster than I was dying back in 1.6...even though I still get pissed off every time I die by an AR. And I know for a fact that the combat rifle and rail rifle tear through shields fast enough that having more shields wouldn't exactly help much. I will try profile dampeners later...maybe that is the new thing. I'm actually dying less and killing more. Finally i can bring something to those lolLOGI suits.
Krom Ganesh Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 829	Posted - 2013.12.11 13:57:00 - [17] - Quote Oddly enough, I've been doing fairly well soloing in my std Gal scout suit w/ 2x range extenders and a rail rifle. Unless the match is swamped with tanks, I usually get 15+ kills with 0-9 deaths. (I still want the higher TTK to return though) !
Jarod Garamonde Jr Sardaukar Merc Guild General Tso's Alliance 5	Posted - 2013.12.11 13:58:00 - [18] - Quote I-Shayz-I wrote: I have only gone positive isk-wise in a few matches since 1.7 deployed. I had 40k, now I'm almost down to 33ish. Um... when you're grinding for ISK and LP.... just use your endless supply of noobsuits. That way you NEVER lose things you paid ISK or AUR for. Does it really take an EVE player to come up with ideas like this? That moment when you realize the crazy lady with all the cats was right...
calisk galern BurgezzE.T.F Public Disorder. 1454	Posted - 2013.12.11 14:02:00 - [19] - Quote KIRSTY j wrote: I've been playing this game for a year now, think this is it for me. time to find a new game i recon I was kind of their as well honestly, i've already begun phase 3 of my moving on process. step 1 is stop spending money, step 2 is get bored, step 3 is start playing a new game and having more fun. only 2 more phases to go before i quit ^^
Beeeees KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 329	Posted - 2013.12.11 14:03:00 - [20] - Quote Every time a patch hits average engagement range doubles and triples for a while, because people are unsure of how the weapon handling changed. RR benefits from it. The issue with the update is also that people are unsure of how to use RR and CR or react to them, so more chaos in CQB ensues. Cue more deaths. The engagement range will go down as people adapt to the changes, in between 3 and 5 days. Numbers, as always, taken out of my ass.

Reav Hannari Red Rock Outriders 2186	Posted - 2013.12.11 14:05:00 - [21] - Quote PC squads tend to spam equipment and lag out matches. They do this to themselves and then complain. CCP really does need to fix this though since equipment use should be a valid tactic. Rifle ranges are a fair amount longer now and once people adapt survival will go back up. Honestly, I had a lot more enjoyable matches yesterday including the FW ones. I was only in one redline stomp fest the entire day. // Adapt or Die // Matari Logistics / Scout / Dropship Crash Tester // @ReesNoturana
ROEG X Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 31	Posted - 2013.12.11 14:08:00 - [22] - Quote Prototype weapons and dropsuits and advance don't mean anything, this game is like Call of Duty with isk currency. This game shields and armor are more like a gimmick. Nothing I've done protects me or the high powered rifles I use don't seem effective.
Spaceman-Rob Resheph Interstellar Strategy Gallente Federation 260	Posted - 2013.12.11 14:13:00 - [23] - Quote It's really not very realistic to expect only to die 0 to 3 times a match, imagine if every other player died so little, there wouldn't be much killing going on now would there. I suspect that some of you think because you don the best gear and suits that you should be invisible, it's time you woke up.
Aria Gomes Death by Disassociation Zero-Day 204	Posted - 2013.12.11 15:01:00 - [24] - Quote Yeah I was getting like 4/12, 5/15, 4/8 and stuff like that. Thank god for uplinks cause I was getting war points left and right. I just want to kill more instead of being killed more. It's just hard to do as a Scout right now, I can't run from everything.
ROEG X Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 34	Posted - 2013.12.11 16:03:00 - [25] - Quote Spaceman-Rob wrote: It's really not very realistic to expect only to die 0 to 3 times a match, imagine if every other player died so little, there wouldn't be much killing going on now would there. I suspect that some of you think because you don the best gear and suits that you should be invisible, it's time you woke up. Haha I never wanted to be invisible but I do want the guy trying to kill me to see me in plain sight shoot some powerful lead his way to make him understand he's in for a fight. Which makes his challenge a whole lot of fun if he can best me in a lesser suit because if I'm wearing some militia or basic suits I'm gonna play a whole lot smarter to take a prototype down. It should be balance for lower suits to perform well but not in a sense of where he can kill me just as easy with a lesser suit. This game is based on who has the bigger gun the game wasn't designed for noobs to be on equal terms to a guy who has grind his way to the top. If I wear prototype gear I should feel a sense of power and accomplishment, I should not be scared of some noob in a cheap suit killing my ultimate badass prototype suit just because he was hiding in a corner, that's why I question the modules effectiveness to protect me.
Grimm Mjolnir Crusaders Of The Abyss 27	Posted - 2013.12.11 16:09:00 - [26] - Quote Jarod Garamonde Jr wrote: I-Shayz-I wrote: I have only gone positive isk-wise in a few matches since 1.7 deployed. I had 40k, now I'm almost down to 33ish. Um... when you're grinding for ISK and LP.... just use your endless supply of noobsuits. That way you NEVER lose things you paid ISK or AUR for. Does it really take an EVE player to come up with ideas like this? You only get standing if you win and if your standing isnt high enough you only get 65 lp its a joke and a Fvckin waste of time
IgniteableAura Pro Hic Immortalis 393	Posted - 2013.12.11 16:12:00 - [27] - Quote Because CCP feels the need to change aiming mechanics every patch. You will get used to it, your muscle memory just has to adapt again to the change. PHI Recruitment or PHIsh Tank in game Twitch
Imp Smash Sebiestor Field Sappers Minmatar Republic 192	Posted - 2013.12.13 05:53:00 - [28] - Quote I've haven't noticed that. I've gone positive using an adv suit and basic rail and basic combat rifles in my new weapon experimentation runs. Every single game. And I am by no means a fps monster. Maybe cause I try to play more tactical and less run into fire? Maybe?
Xocoyol Zaraoul Superior Genetics 1730	Posted - 2013.12.13 05:54:00 - [29] - Quote My KDR since patch has dropped from 5.88 to like 5.5 now... Might be due to getting a feel for the new stuff and lol-suiciding with the new LAVs. In other news though my KDR is bliss with the new RR on a Minnie Assault, damned Minni is actually pretty scary now that it can sport the fasted speed and longest range combo instead of fighting in AR hell... Closed Beta Vet Reading the forums detracts from overall enjoyment of the game
Lazy Scumbag Intara Direct Action Caldari State 79	Posted - 2013.12.17 02:20:00 - [30] - Quote calisk galern wrote: KIRSTY j wrote: I've been playing this game for a year now, think this is it for me. time to find a new game i recon I was kind of their as well honestly, i've already begun phase 3 of my moving on process. step 1 is stop spending money, step 2 is get bored, step 3 is start playing a new game and having more fun. only 2 more phases to go before i quit ^^ I have completed this challenge, but pop back in from time to time to see how bad its gotten.

DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 9000	Posted - 2013.12.17 02:21:00 - [31] - Quote If it weren't for redline railguns I'd probably be ISK positive with my Incubus for the first time in a long time, but they manage to catch me from game to game, and as usual, I lose plenty of dropships to random **** like RDVs and idiot pilots. So, I'm used to losing money. Tanks and new super rifles are probably why you're dying more. Vids / O7
KING CHECKMATE Scions of Athra 3302	Posted - 2013.12.17 02:23:00 - [32] - Quote I-Shayz-I wrote: I have only gone positive isk-wise in a few matches since 1.7 deployed. I had 40mil, now I'm almost down to 33ish. It's not like I run expensive suits either. My most expensive one right now costs 51k and I average about 30k per suit. But now it's like I die every other second playing this game. I've even been better about using cover instead of running out in the open, but even still I'm finding myself dying about 7-9 times every match. Just the other day I was only dying about 0-3 times per match. At this rate I'm going to have to start using free suits until I get some more isk... It's not just me though is it? I see other players on my team and the enemy team dying just as much or more (The top 3-4 players anyways). Could it be the new weapons? The fact that I'm running armor plates? Me not being used to the game yet? idk, I honestly don't think any specific weapon is OP or killing faster than I was dying back in 1.6...even though I still get pissed off every time I die by an AR. And I know for a fact that the combat rifle and rail rifle tear through shields fast enough that having more shields wouldn't exactly help much. I will try profile dampeners later...maybe that is the new thing. EDIT: Guys, try profile dampeners. People are so reliant on their scanners that they don't ever expect you when you start shooting them in the back. Just sneak around behind them, wait for your screen to say "scan prevented", then go to town :P Besides, the extra armor I sacrificed didn't even feel like it was gone. my K-D ratio goes up. My Isk goes up. My MLT tanks still rolls hard........ AV-TANK BALANCE = https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1612446#post1612446
xxwhitedevilxx M Maphia Clan Unit Unicorn 1296	Posted - 2013.12.17 02:31:00 - [33] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: Kasote Denzara wrote: I've been in FW, where every PC corp I run into is a slideshow. I know it's not FW itself, since the games without them are as smooth as they were before. I take it the modes outside of FW have been horrendous? Are you implying that PC corps are part of some lag conspiracy? but actually he's not wrong, or at least, not entirely. We're all used to spam nanohives and drop uplinks here and there, moreover vehicles are rampant these days and, then, here's your framerate drops! Mix it with the fact that FW mixes up different servers location and you even lag bad. Because you know the real problem lies there: latency. Tank 514.
BL4CKST4R WarRavens League of Infamy 1368	Posted - 2013.12.17 02:33:00 - [34] - Quote Yeap I die a lot more than I used to pre-1.6, in fact it was rare for me to die more than once. Not only that but most suits are to expensive to run now with that amount of deaths vs. the low ISK income; 5 deaths in my medium suit = ISK negative.
xxwhitedevilxx M Maphia Clan Unit Unicorn 1296	Posted - 2013.12.17 02:33:00 - [35] - Quote Reav Hannari wrote: PC squads tend to spam equipment and lag out matches. They do this to themselves and then complain. CCP really does need to fix this though since equipment use should be a valid tactic. Rifle ranges are a fair amount longer now and once people adapt survival will go back up. Honestly, I had a lot more enjoyable matches yesterday including the FW ones. I was only in one redline stomp fest the entire day. Wops, I already answered in the same way damn you whitedevil, learn to read the entire thread before posting Tank 514.
Valmorgan Aubaris Stellar and Orbital Strategic Services ACME Holding Conglomerate 7	Posted - 2013.12.17 02:34:00 - [36] - Quote Foley Jones wrote: I blame the illuminati They have eyes even in dust...... NSA cat is watching you. EVE alliance seeks mercs, join Stellar and Orbital Strategic Services today! Let's gank Scotty.
Leadfoot10 Molon Labe. Public Disorder. 131	Posted - 2013.12.17 02:35:00 - [37] - Quote My KDR has gone up since patch. The RR plays into longer range engagements, a strength of my caldari assault & logi suits, and is still quite useful in CQC. The new control sensitivity settings have also helped with the correct balance of ADS and hipfire sensitivity. Armor tankers, which were my Achilles heel, are now slower and melt faster. Overall, I'm very happy with the core mechanics and new weapons this patch, and my KDR shows it.
Brokerib Lone Wolves Club 148	Posted - 2013.12.17 02:48:00 - [38] - Quote Have noticed a big difference. Have been regularly getting <1 KDR in FW since the patch, but still winning most matches. Was expected the level of competition to go up with the additional rewards on offer, so it's good to have a bit more of a challenge. Training up a new weapon isn't helping either, but it should pay off in the long run. I-Shayz-I wrote: I will try profile dampeners later...maybe that is the new thing. EDIT: Guys, try profile dampeners. People are so reliant on their scanners that they don't ever expect you when you start shooting them in the back. Just sneak around behind them, wait for your screen to say "scan prevented", then go to town :P Besides, the extra armor I sacrificed didn't even feel like it was gone. I always run dampeners, but even on my stealth suit (level 3 scout, level 3 dampening and 1 enhanced dampener) I'm getting scanned alot more regularly than before, mainly due to active scanning from the tank spam. Wouldn't be so bad if the tanks were viable on the mini map, but they appear to be more stealthy than my scout at the moment...
DeadlyAztec11 2814	Posted - 2013.12.17 03:00:00 - [39] - Quote I die more in this game than I do in COD -_- My alts: GeneralJohnRipper, Draxus Prime, MoonEagle A, Long Evity, CCP Rarara And this is why I am the #1 forum warrior
Tectonic Fusion 734	Posted - 2013.12.17 03:14:00 - [40] - Quote I-Shayz-I wrote: I have only gone positive isk-wise in a few matches since 1.7 deployed. I had 40mil, now I'm almost down to 33ish. It's not like I run expensive suits either. My most expensive one right now costs 51k and I average about 30k per suit. But now it's like I die every other second playing this game. I've even been better about using cover instead of running out in the open, but even still I'm finding myself dying about 7-9 times every match. Just the other day I was only dying about 0-3 times per match. At this rate I'm going to have to start using free suits until I get some more isk... It's not just me though is it? I see other players on my team and the enemy team dying just as much or more (The top 3-4 players anyways). Could it be the new weapons? The fact that I'm running armor plates? Me not being used to the game yet? idk, I honestly don't think any specific weapon is OP or killing faster than I was dying back in 1.6...even though I still get pissed off every time I die by an AR. And I know for a fact that the combat rifle and rail rifle tear through shields fast enough that having more shields wouldn't exactly help much. I will try profile dampeners later...maybe that is the new thing. EDIT: Guys, try profile dampeners. People are so reliant on their scanners that they don't ever expect you when you start shooting them in the back. Just sneak around behind them, wait for your screen to say "scan prevented", then go to town :P Besides, the extra armor I sacrificed didn't even feel like it was gone. I've been dying a lot less because people use the LOLRailRifle in CQC when they face my AR or Combat Rifle. But the weapon is beastly at a range. Solo Player Squad status: Locked

gbghg L.O.T.I.S. Public Disorder. 4174	Posted - 2013.12.17 03:22:00 - [41] - Quote Brokerib wrote: Have noticed a big difference. Have been regularly getting <1 KDR in FW since the patch, but still winning most matches. Was expected the level of competition to go up with the additional rewards on offer, so it's good to have a bit more of a challenge. Training up a new weapon isn't helping either, but it should pay off in the long run. I-Shayz-I wrote: I will try profile dampeners later...maybe that is the new thing. EDIT: Guys, try profile dampeners. People are so reliant on their scanners that they don't ever expect you when you start shooting them in the back. Just sneak around behind them, wait for your screen to say "scan prevented", then go to town :P Besides, the extra armor I sacrificed didn't even feel like it was gone. I always run dampeners, but even on my stealth suit (level 3 scout, level 3 dampening and 1 enhanced dampener) I'm getting scanned alot more regularly than before, mainly due to active scanning from the tank spam. Wouldn't be so bad if the tanks were viable on the mini map, but they appear to be more stealthy than my scout at the moment... have you ever looked at tanks scan profile, its hilariously high, reason you dont see it on the map is the same reason you don't see anything else, passive scan range sucks. Lv 4 forum warrior Bringer of Bacon Knight of AMV's
Keri Starlight 0uter.Heaven 1977	Posted - 2013.12.17 03:24:00 - [42] - Quote I'm dying more than usual and I can't explain that 100% Achura "I load my gun with love instead of bullets"
TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR F.T.U. IMMORTAL REGIME 862	Posted - 2013.12.17 03:28:00 - [43] - Quote Asirius Medaius wrote: I-Shayz-I wrote: I have only gone positive isk-wise in a few matches since 1.7 deployed. I had 40k, now I'm almost down to 33ish. It's not like I run expensive suits either. My most expensive one right now costs 51k and I average about 30k per suit. But now it's like I die every other second playing this game. I've even been better about using cover instead of running out in the open, but even still I'm finding myself dying about 7-9 times every match. Just the other day I was only dying about 0-3 times per match. At this rate I'm going to have to start using free suits until I get some more isk... It's not just me though is it? I see other players on my team and the enemy team dying just as much or more (The top 3-4 players anyways). Could it be the new weapons? The fact that I'm running armor plates? Me not being used to the game yet? idk, I honestly don't think any specific weapon is OP or killing faster than I was dying back in 1.6...even though I still get pissed off every time I die by an AR. And I know for a fact that the combat rifle and rail rifle tear through shields fast enough that having more shields wouldn't exactly help much. I will try profile dampeners later...maybe that is the new thing. 1.7 is making me feel like the Duvolle isn't relatively overpowered anymore... Every time I see a person with one, I just laugh and kill them with 2 shots of my Proto Rail Rifle @ 70 meters. 2 shots? really? Tell me, how exactly DOES a biscuit gain Valor?
Ranger SnakeBlood OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 268	Posted - 2013.12.17 03:52:00 - [44] - Quote I started out dieing more than usual but have recently switched to using a standard minmatar logi suit and lol its beastly compared to my min assualt iam tired of getting killed by logies with 2 or if proto 3 times the amount of hp and more dmg probably down to the point that i shield tanked only so now iam armor tanked with a combat rifle and 2 damage mods and going positive mostly unless iam against nothing but proto of course it happens, to be honest it sickened me to see how effective armor tanking is. Iam fairly certain my KDR is on its way back up for the first time since before chromosome when there was only 1 assualt suit. On the bright side now that iam using a logi suit yall can expect it to be nerfed soon (rightly so if you ask me id prefer to use my min assualt but iam not going to put her through that served me well too long for that so when CCP fix it itll be used again in the way it deserves) Also i find it amusing that iam going more isk positive with MLT tanks with no sp in them than i was with my the old ADV min assualt suit i used most of the time.
Th3rdSun L.O.T.I.S. Public Disorder. 523	Posted - 2013.12.17 04:27:00 - [45] - Quote Lazy Scumbag wrote: I think the concept of this game keeps getting further from likeable... why anyone would elect to be a mercenary in New Eden is beyond me. Repetitive death, eventual bankruptcy, and our skills and weapons are repeatedly nerfed. Oh, and Scotty the matchmaker is clueless. Another great patch. POTY(Post Of The Year). Short,Clear,Simple,and most of all,Accurate.
8213 BIG BAD W0LVES 1078	Posted - 2013.12.17 04:47:00 - [46] - Quote Last week I was good at this game... then on a Tuesday I sucked
sira draco Isuuaya Tactical Caldari State 9	Posted - 2013.12.17 05:26:00 - [47] - Quote this game basically punishes you if you wanna different styles and different weapons, for example scouts get screwed and so do heavies, the only role that works is medium suits with some form of rifle, Combat rifle, rail rifle, Assault rifle, or scramble rifle, which is boring to me. I get bored with rifles so I like to try to make unique dropsuits with fun weapons, so I make a logi with a scrambler pistol. nope doesn't work, how abuot a scout with knives, nope doesnt work, how about playing a heavy with a mass driver or mass driver logi, nope doesn't work, ohh how about the plasma cannon, nope doesnt work, how about a sniper, nope, ohh the flaylock that looks fun, nope anything fun and unique in this game doesn't work, all these suits will die to rifle spam, the only way to survive is take up rifles which is just boring, I don't even know why they provide a diverse selection of weapons and suits if only one playstyle works.
sira draco Isuuaya Tactical Caldari State 9	Posted - 2013.12.17 05:28:00 - [48] - Quote Th3rdSun wrote: Lazy Scumbag wrote: I think the concept of this game keeps getting further from likeable... why anyone would elect to be a mercenary in New Eden is beyond me. Repetitive death, eventual bankruptcy, and our skills and weapons are repeatedly nerfed. Oh, and Scotty the matchmaker is clueless. Another great patch. POTY(Post Of The Year). Short,Clear,Simple,and most of all,Accurate. yes, well said, couldnt have said it better myself
GET ATMESON Dem Durrty Boyz Renegade Alliance 190	Posted - 2013.12.17 05:31:00 - [49] - Quote Jarod Garamonde Jr wrote: I-Shayz-I wrote: I have only gone positive isk-wise in a few matches since 1.7 deployed. I had 40k, now I'm almost down to 33ish. Um... when you're grinding for ISK and LP.... just use your endless supply of noobsuits. That way you NEVER lose things you paid ISK or AUR for. Does it really take an EVE player to come up with ideas like this? EvE players dont understand how it works in dust. Just like I dont understand how EvE works. Did play it for 7 months but its all click here and click there. BESIDES that. Yes you can use the free suits. Yes they are free. Are they good. No. Will you win if your hole team uses these? No. Is it worth it No. Go click and kill in EvE sir :* Heavys only have 2 heavy guns. Please dont turn the NERF bat on them. Give heavys more suits or guns soonGäó
Aero Yassavi Scions of Athra 4152	Posted - 2013.12.17 05:34:00 - [50] - Quote I noticed since Uprising 1.7 Skirmish matches have been decided by clone count far more frequently than ever before. Angels of vengeance, angels of mercy, scions of Athra. Amarr Victor

Cass Caul 533	Posted - 2013.12.17 05:37:00 - [51] - Quote pub match KDR is going way up this build. So long as thereisn't massive tank spam the reduction to aim assist greatly increases how long I can live. Now all they have to do is take away the sharpshooter skill and I'll be invincible. +Éß¦ëddGêÇ -çou -Äll+É-çoGö¦ A girl, on the internet?! I roll to disbelieve.
calvin b SCAVENGER'S DAUGHTER 1237	Posted - 2013.12.17 05:43:00 - [52] - Quote I am trying to figure out the right setting for my controls. Some days its the brightness, other days my aim is off and I can hit S*. I still go positive most games, but D* can I have a moment were I make some decent ISK, This game is so frustrating at the same time so D*** fun, for you never know what day it is going to be. Is it going to be a 30-0 day or is it going to be a 7-15 day? The evil hidden in the name
Naviticus OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 27	Posted - 2013.12.17 05:47:00 - [53] - Quote instead of 1 op weapon we now have 3 and ttk been reduced each patch and when ccp says weapon A is a shield based weapon and Weapon B is armor based.....how bout we make a actual difference. i.e. scrambler does less than half damage to armor same basis with armor based damage weps
Rennan Oliveira Shining Flame Amarr Empire 6	Posted - 2013.12.17 06:43:00 - [54] - Quote I came back from a 4 month break for this patch and here is what i noticed, the game is way more deadly now which means you have to be more tactical in order to survive, you have to take way more cover ( just like in real life) and you have to know when to RETREAT, no more rambo stuff, really it isnt that hard i've been doing 15-30kills with 0-3 deaths almost every match by simply following real life war "rules". Of course it is not how the game is supposed to be but addapt or "litteraly" die. =)
Piraten Hovnoret No Tax Scrubs 128	Posted - 2013.12.17 06:57:00 - [55] - Quote Jarod Garamonde Jr wrote: I-Shayz-I wrote: I have only gone positive isk-wise in a few matches since 1.7 deployed. I had 40k, now I'm almost down to 33ish. Um... when you're grinding for ISK and LP.... just use your endless supply of noobsuits. That way you NEVER lose things you paid ISK or AUR for. Does it really take an EVE player to come up with ideas like this? Is it just me that belive a system only admit you to use starter fits to go positive is broken? What's the fun in runing starter fits a year into the BLODEY game ? But hey I just run militia tanks now... God dam it I love this game but it's time to move on
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 4745	Posted - 2013.12.17 06:58:00 - [56] - Quote Wow, I guess I'm not the only one. I figured it's the new weapons, since they're more godly than the AR, even against shields. Seriously they both make the AR look like a kid's toy. Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives. Tuna > Tacos
Sinboto Simmons SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 3240	Posted - 2013.12.17 07:01:00 - [57] - Quote I haven't noticed myself dying more. Then again I'm a scout so I'm used to dying in the first place so perhaps I just haven't been paying attention. Sinboto - The True Blood Minja Forum Warrior level 3 STB-Infantry (Demolition)
Mossellia Delt Militaires Sans Jeux 773	Posted - 2013.12.17 07:10:00 - [58] - Quote funny thing... Iv been dying less since I put a rifle on my scout suit. Before I was going 10 - 20 / 0 - 7 Now im going 25 - 40 / 0 - 7 Parody Dust 514 Lyrics Vote for Delt
Vicious Minotaur Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 424	Posted - 2013.12.17 07:11:00 - [59] - Quote I die less now... Unless I am on the wrong side of a stomp-fest.
Thang Bausch Pierrot Le Fou Industries 77	Posted - 2013.12.17 08:30:00 - [60] - Quote Acturus Galaxy wrote: The extra range of the rail rifles makes a huge difference including their high damage. I am in a scout suit with 50 meters passive scanner. They are further away and I do not have a chance of reacting once the open fire, not knowing where they are and where to take cover. I am going free BPO suits and will put points into tanks, the environment has become very unhealthy for my scout at the moment. It feels like only 2-4 shots are needed from the proto rail to kill me, I have no way of closing the many open areas without getting spotted and insta killed. A frustrating experience yesterday and it completely changes how I will be playing. I've noticed a lot less scouts in matches since 1.7

DR FEB The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 116	Posted - 2013.12.17 08:35:00 - [61] - Quote i think it is also due to the fact that i saw you in FW looking at the sky for 5 minutes. I was in my railgun tank,at the very end of the match and could not stand not shooting you,easy target. Hey,what do you expect?i needed dem kills to baddly!!! World champion for 360 No-scopes in dust with 20 headshot kills and 79 normal kills,all whilst using a militia sniper.
Acturus Galaxy Lo-Tech Solutions Ltd 301	Posted - 2013.12.17 08:36:00 - [62] - Quote You will be dying allot less than you are used to if you are playing Minmartar/Gallente FW matches with an AR. You will be dying allot more frequently if you are playing Caldari and Amar FW matches. Especially the Amar seems to have a tough ride, have been in 14 matches for the Amar and several times the Minmartar was so sure about winning most were running in proto gear and some even with officer Balach ARs. Another issue with the FW matches is that the selected region server seems to be overridden. There is a much bigger chance being placed on overseas server with a severe disadvantage. I have been in matches against he minmarter where I got vaporized in under a second by CR rifles even having 500+ ehp. And have been in FW matches against the minmartar where I could jump around as scout between 5-6 red mercs and shoot them with my shotgun without getting hit much, several times in the same match. In other matches I die just by having a Minmartar looking at me. The lag is killing this game, please add information on which server I am playing. As I will keep far away from cqc when placed on another server than my own regions server.
Sgt Kirk SyNergy Gaming EoN. 3611	Posted - 2013.12.17 08:39:00 - [63] - Quote KIRSTY j wrote: I've been playing this game for a year now, think this is it for me. time to find a new game i recon For the first time I'm really having this thought as well. I've been with this game for a year and a half now and I think it's time to finally move on....Well, when Metal Gear comes out with MGO that's the deadline because garuenteed, if DUST 514 doesn't get any better MGO will be there for me. In a matter of fact I wouldn't even be playing this if MGO was still online.
sira draco Isuuaya Tactical Caldari State 10	Posted - 2013.12.17 08:53:00 - [64] - Quote I've had alot of friends already leave, and alot of cool people talk about leaving, I'm afraid all that will be left of the community will be the protostomping jerks, no new people will stay to get protostomped everyday and when it comes to that I'm definitely moving on. I wonder what it will be like when only the protostompers are left, scotty will pit the jerks against each other and it won't be easy mode for them anymore, all the sudden they will go against equal gear and get a taste of their own medicine, then they will leave too, and there will be no one left.
Lynn Beck Granite Mercenary Division Top Men. 359	Posted - 2013.12.17 08:54:00 - [65] - Quote Eh, bro do you even nova knife? Do you even commando? And the same time??? Under 28db Officially nerfproof (predicting CR nerf February '14) The only bad AV is ones not using Plc.
I-Shayz-I I-----I 1657	Posted - 2013.12.17 15:27:00 - [66] - Quote DR FEB wrote: i think it is also due to the fact that i saw you in FW looking at the sky for 5 minutes. I was in my railgun tank,at the very end of the match and could not stand not shooting you,easy target. Hey,what do you expect?i needed dem kills to baddly!!! Wait really? lol Links: List of Most Important Threads I make logistics videos!
Yeeeuuuupppp Psygod9 D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 11	Posted - 2013.12.17 15:39:00 - [67] - Quote Aria Gomes wrote: Yeah I was getting like 4/12, 5/15, 4/8 and stuff like that. Thank god for uplinks cause I was getting war points left and right. I just want to kill more instead of being killed more. It's just hard to do as a Scout right now, I can't run from everything. Use your stealth and speed to your advantage, Fellow scout o7. But people found a "solution" to not die. Heavy suit with an assault rifle or something. While they think thats working ill just tear through them with my Rail Rifle/Combat Rifle. Dont use a crutch or I will do what my signature says.You have been warned. backs into a dark corner Carving Hearts in People's Backs, One Day At A Time ~ Nova Knives
Elmo Love U 514 Mile High Club 51	Posted - 2013.12.17 15:42:00 - [68] - Quote Just you. I pocket 10mill daily. Since CCP nerfed my AV, im forced to kill people now. Piles of the bodies at my feet. Proto stomp 24/7. Killing 30+ a match. Blame CCP. Now that I have tasted blood, may never go back. Show me the money!
Chunky Munkey Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 2693	Posted - 2013.12.17 15:51:00 - [69] - Quote I've noticed. It is curious because I can't quite put my finger on it. Perhaps it is the fact that a bunch of minor changes and a few big ones are all things that increase your likelihood of death. No.
CLONE117 planetary retaliation organisation 519	Posted - 2013.12.17 15:51:00 - [70] - Quote some days i miss every1 running around with a socalled op proto ar. combat rifle seems to destroy it by a large amount. what ive heard is thet the ar should beat cr in cqc. although that just isnt happening.. and already lost a few mil running mlt tanks fitted with enhanced 120m armor plates. all i can suggest is to tone down the damage percentages for the combat rifle between armor and shields a bit. as thats really the only thing that has been causing majority of my deaths while on foot lately. and the no isk in fw may be the cause of all the extra pubstomps in pub contracts lately..

Fox Gaden Immortal Guides 1885	Posted - 2013.12.17 15:54:00 - [71] - Quote KIRSTY j wrote: I've been playing this game for a year now, think this is it for me. time to find a new game i recon I have been playing for nearly a year myself, and this is the least enjoyable patch unless you are a Tanker. Frustration is building. However, I am confident that CCP will increase the Time To Kill. Hopefully in 1.8, because it would be hard to bare more than a month of this. Hand/Eye coordination cannot be taught. For everything else, there is the Learning Coalition.
Naviticus OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 29	Posted - 2013.12.17 16:00:00 - [72] - Quote Elmo Love U wrote: Just you. I pocket 10mill daily. Since CCP nerfed my AV, im forced to kill people now. Piles of the bodies at my feet. Proto stomp 24/7. Killing 30+ a match. Blame CCP. Now that I have tasted blood, may never go back. only thing you pocket is your hand because your too busy _______yourself off all day and posting on the forums. Nobody even knows who you are or your corp
CrotchGrab 360 608	Posted - 2013.12.17 16:17:00 - [73] - Quote I-Shayz-I wrote: I have only gone positive isk-wise in a few matches since 1.7 deployed. I had 40mil, now I'm almost down to 33ish. It's not like I run expensive suits either. My most expensive one right now costs 51k and I average about 30k per suit. But now it's like I die every other second playing this game. I've even been better about using cover instead of running out in the open, but even still I'm finding myself dying about 7-9 times every match. Just the other day I was only dying about 0-3 times per match. At this rate I'm going to have to start using free suits until I get some more isk... It's not just me though is it? I see other players on my team and the enemy team dying just as much or more (The top 3-4 players anyways). Could it be the new weapons? The fact that I'm running armor plates? Me not being used to the game yet? idk, I honestly don't think any specific weapon is OP or killing faster than I was dying back in 1.6...even though I still get pissed off every time I die by an AR. And I know for a fact that the combat rifle and rail rifle tear through shields fast enough that having more shields wouldn't exactly help much. I will try profile dampeners later...maybe that is the new thing. EDIT: Guys, try profile dampeners. People are so reliant on their scanners that they don't ever expect you when you start shooting them in the back. Just sneak around behind them, wait for your screen to say "scan prevented", then go to town :P Besides, the extra armor I sacrificed didn't even feel like it was gone. we are. glad somebody made this thread before me. i hate going back to my threads, they scare me. I went 36-12 yesterday, that's a **** score because I lost a lot of ISK. It was because there were about 4 or 5 heavies on the other side all with rail rifles. I think a lot of it has to do with the new rifles, they pack a punch!
Bethhy Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 506	Posted - 2013.12.18 02:22:00 - [74] - Quote It's a kill or be killed in seconds kinda game right now. Bethhy wrote: CCP turned all the blueberry's into cowards in 1.4 with Aim Assist... it went from fighting happening everywhere and anywhere... to Fighting around a couple cover and hide key locations in the different map options. People want everyone to hide behind boxes for their Mercenary career and only pop out not having to acquire their aim much get easy couple bullet kills on 800 health point suits then hide again... They will only push forward if they see vet's who are used to pushing objectives and playing aggressively from a time when everyone was. As opposed to straffy long gun fight butt clenching engagements. The average mercenary leaves cover then 3-4 redberry's see them and even with militia Assault rifles, their Aim assist's locks on and gg... and then they go WTF... weeks.. months! working on my skills and learning the game and it just ended as quick as if i just spent 60 bux on CoD - Ghost and played for the first time. DUST EST Uprising 1.4 And team work is dead unless you know your squad mates. but we have boxes we can hug
Scheneighnay McBob Bojo's School of the Trades 3288	Posted - 2013.12.18 02:29:00 - [75] - Quote Something is up, because I was slaughtering everyone one battle as a standard logi with a standard combat rifle and standard REs. Don't ask me how that works, because I have no ******* clue. Maybe everyone is just getting really cocky? We used to have a time machine
Lazy Scumbag Intara Direct Action Caldari State 81	Posted - 2013.12.18 09:43:00 - [76] - Quote Naviticus wrote: instead of 1 op weapon we now have 3 and ttk been reduced each patch and when ccp says weapon A is a shield based weapon and Weapon B is armor based.....how bout we make a actual difference. i.e. scrambler does less than half damage to armor same basis with armor based damage weps This is exactly the problem with damage calculations. Weapons have a baseline damage (never used), then plus 10% here, minus 10% there... It causes problems from the beginning. Weapon damage base should be flat, with resistances calculated when appropriate. Example: Explain to me how frag grenades and armor interact to give a positive damage multiplier. It's armor. But if you chuck a grenade my way, the armor perks up and says 'Yeah, let's kill him!'
Naviticus OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 34	Posted - 2013.12.19 16:46:00 - [77] - Quote Scheneighnay McBob wrote: Something is up, because I was slaughtering everyone one battle as a standard logi with a standard combat rifle and standard REs. Don't ask me how that works, because I have no ******* clue. Maybe everyone is just getting really cocky? yea i noticed all remotes do the same baseline damage just allows you to have more remotes active as you skill up


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