DUST Search - Is it just me or are we all dying A LOT MORE

I-Shayz-I wrote:

I have only gone positive isk-wise in a few matches since 1.7 deployed. I had 40mil, now I'm almost down to 33ish.

It's not like I run expensive suits either. My most expensive one right now costs 51k and I average about 30k per suit.
But now it's like I die every other second playing this game. I've even been better about using cover instead of running out in the open, but even still I'm finding myself dying about 7-9 times every match. Just the other day I was only dying about 0-3 times per match.

At this rate I'm going to have to start using free suits until I get some more isk...

It's not just me though is it? I see other players on my team and the enemy team dying just as much or more (The top 3-4 players anyways). Could it be the new weapons? The fact that I'm running armor plates? Me not being used to the game yet?

idk, I honestly don't think any specific weapon is OP or killing faster than I was dying back in 1.6...even though I still get pissed off every time I die by an AR. And I know for a fact that the combat rifle and rail rifle tear through shields fast enough that having more shields wouldn't exactly help much.

I will try profile dampeners later...maybe that is the new thing.

EDIT: Guys, try profile dampeners. People are so reliant on their scanners that they don't ever expect you when you start shooting them in the back. Just sneak around behind them, wait for your screen to say "scan prevented", then go to town :P

Besides, the extra armor I sacrificed didn't even feel like it was gone.

AV-TANK BALANCE = https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1612446#post1612446

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DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 9000	Posted - 2013.12.17 02:21:00 - [31] - Quote If it weren't for redline railguns I'd probably be ISK positive with my Incubus for the first time in a long time, but they manage to catch me from game to game, and as usual, I lose plenty of dropships to random **** like RDVs and idiot pilots. So, I'm used to losing money. Tanks and new super rifles are probably why you're dying more. Vids / O7
KING CHECKMATE Scions of Athra 3302	Posted - 2013.12.17 02:23:00 - [32] - Quote I-Shayz-I wrote: I have only gone positive isk-wise in a few matches since 1.7 deployed. I had 40mil, now I'm almost down to 33ish. It's not like I run expensive suits either. My most expensive one right now costs 51k and I average about 30k per suit. But now it's like I die every other second playing this game. I've even been better about using cover instead of running out in the open, but even still I'm finding myself dying about 7-9 times every match. Just the other day I was only dying about 0-3 times per match. At this rate I'm going to have to start using free suits until I get some more isk... It's not just me though is it? I see other players on my team and the enemy team dying just as much or more (The top 3-4 players anyways). Could it be the new weapons? The fact that I'm running armor plates? Me not being used to the game yet? idk, I honestly don't think any specific weapon is OP or killing faster than I was dying back in 1.6...even though I still get pissed off every time I die by an AR. And I know for a fact that the combat rifle and rail rifle tear through shields fast enough that having more shields wouldn't exactly help much. I will try profile dampeners later...maybe that is the new thing. EDIT: Guys, try profile dampeners. People are so reliant on their scanners that they don't ever expect you when you start shooting them in the back. Just sneak around behind them, wait for your screen to say "scan prevented", then go to town :P Besides, the extra armor I sacrificed didn't even feel like it was gone. my K-D ratio goes up. My Isk goes up. My MLT tanks still rolls hard........ AV-TANK BALANCE = https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1612446#post1612446
xxwhitedevilxx M Maphia Clan Unit Unicorn 1296	Posted - 2013.12.17 02:31:00 - [33] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: Kasote Denzara wrote: I've been in FW, where every PC corp I run into is a slideshow. I know it's not FW itself, since the games without them are as smooth as they were before. I take it the modes outside of FW have been horrendous? Are you implying that PC corps are part of some lag conspiracy? but actually he's not wrong, or at least, not entirely. We're all used to spam nanohives and drop uplinks here and there, moreover vehicles are rampant these days and, then, here's your framerate drops! Mix it with the fact that FW mixes up different servers location and you even lag bad. Because you know the real problem lies there: latency. Tank 514.
BL4CKST4R WarRavens League of Infamy 1368	Posted - 2013.12.17 02:33:00 - [34] - Quote Yeap I die a lot more than I used to pre-1.6, in fact it was rare for me to die more than once. Not only that but most suits are to expensive to run now with that amount of deaths vs. the low ISK income; 5 deaths in my medium suit = ISK negative.
xxwhitedevilxx M Maphia Clan Unit Unicorn 1296	Posted - 2013.12.17 02:33:00 - [35] - Quote Reav Hannari wrote: PC squads tend to spam equipment and lag out matches. They do this to themselves and then complain. CCP really does need to fix this though since equipment use should be a valid tactic. Rifle ranges are a fair amount longer now and once people adapt survival will go back up. Honestly, I had a lot more enjoyable matches yesterday including the FW ones. I was only in one redline stomp fest the entire day. Wops, I already answered in the same way damn you whitedevil, learn to read the entire thread before posting Tank 514.
Valmorgan Aubaris Stellar and Orbital Strategic Services ACME Holding Conglomerate 7	Posted - 2013.12.17 02:34:00 - [36] - Quote Foley Jones wrote: I blame the illuminati They have eyes even in dust...... NSA cat is watching you. EVE alliance seeks mercs, join Stellar and Orbital Strategic Services today! Let's gank Scotty.
Leadfoot10 Molon Labe. Public Disorder. 131	Posted - 2013.12.17 02:35:00 - [37] - Quote My KDR has gone up since patch. The RR plays into longer range engagements, a strength of my caldari assault & logi suits, and is still quite useful in CQC. The new control sensitivity settings have also helped with the correct balance of ADS and hipfire sensitivity. Armor tankers, which were my Achilles heel, are now slower and melt faster. Overall, I'm very happy with the core mechanics and new weapons this patch, and my KDR shows it.
Brokerib Lone Wolves Club 148	Posted - 2013.12.17 02:48:00 - [38] - Quote Have noticed a big difference. Have been regularly getting <1 KDR in FW since the patch, but still winning most matches. Was expected the level of competition to go up with the additional rewards on offer, so it's good to have a bit more of a challenge. Training up a new weapon isn't helping either, but it should pay off in the long run. I-Shayz-I wrote: I will try profile dampeners later...maybe that is the new thing. EDIT: Guys, try profile dampeners. People are so reliant on their scanners that they don't ever expect you when you start shooting them in the back. Just sneak around behind them, wait for your screen to say "scan prevented", then go to town :P Besides, the extra armor I sacrificed didn't even feel like it was gone. I always run dampeners, but even on my stealth suit (level 3 scout, level 3 dampening and 1 enhanced dampener) I'm getting scanned alot more regularly than before, mainly due to active scanning from the tank spam. Wouldn't be so bad if the tanks were viable on the mini map, but they appear to be more stealthy than my scout at the moment...
DeadlyAztec11 2814	Posted - 2013.12.17 03:00:00 - [39] - Quote I die more in this game than I do in COD -_- My alts: GeneralJohnRipper, Draxus Prime, MoonEagle A, Long Evity, CCP Rarara And this is why I am the #1 forum warrior
Tectonic Fusion 734	Posted - 2013.12.17 03:14:00 - [40] - Quote I-Shayz-I wrote: I have only gone positive isk-wise in a few matches since 1.7 deployed. I had 40mil, now I'm almost down to 33ish. It's not like I run expensive suits either. My most expensive one right now costs 51k and I average about 30k per suit. But now it's like I die every other second playing this game. I've even been better about using cover instead of running out in the open, but even still I'm finding myself dying about 7-9 times every match. Just the other day I was only dying about 0-3 times per match. At this rate I'm going to have to start using free suits until I get some more isk... It's not just me though is it? I see other players on my team and the enemy team dying just as much or more (The top 3-4 players anyways). Could it be the new weapons? The fact that I'm running armor plates? Me not being used to the game yet? idk, I honestly don't think any specific weapon is OP or killing faster than I was dying back in 1.6...even though I still get pissed off every time I die by an AR. And I know for a fact that the combat rifle and rail rifle tear through shields fast enough that having more shields wouldn't exactly help much. I will try profile dampeners later...maybe that is the new thing. EDIT: Guys, try profile dampeners. People are so reliant on their scanners that they don't ever expect you when you start shooting them in the back. Just sneak around behind them, wait for your screen to say "scan prevented", then go to town :P Besides, the extra armor I sacrificed didn't even feel like it was gone. I've been dying a lot less because people use the LOLRailRifle in CQC when they face my AR or Combat Rifle. But the weapon is beastly at a range. Solo Player Squad status: Locked

gbghg L.O.T.I.S. Public Disorder. 4174	Posted - 2013.12.17 03:22:00 - [41] - Quote Brokerib wrote: Have noticed a big difference. Have been regularly getting <1 KDR in FW since the patch, but still winning most matches. Was expected the level of competition to go up with the additional rewards on offer, so it's good to have a bit more of a challenge. Training up a new weapon isn't helping either, but it should pay off in the long run. I-Shayz-I wrote: I will try profile dampeners later...maybe that is the new thing. EDIT: Guys, try profile dampeners. People are so reliant on their scanners that they don't ever expect you when you start shooting them in the back. Just sneak around behind them, wait for your screen to say "scan prevented", then go to town :P Besides, the extra armor I sacrificed didn't even feel like it was gone. I always run dampeners, but even on my stealth suit (level 3 scout, level 3 dampening and 1 enhanced dampener) I'm getting scanned alot more regularly than before, mainly due to active scanning from the tank spam. Wouldn't be so bad if the tanks were viable on the mini map, but they appear to be more stealthy than my scout at the moment... have you ever looked at tanks scan profile, its hilariously high, reason you dont see it on the map is the same reason you don't see anything else, passive scan range sucks. Lv 4 forum warrior Bringer of Bacon Knight of AMV's
Keri Starlight 0uter.Heaven 1977	Posted - 2013.12.17 03:24:00 - [42] - Quote I'm dying more than usual and I can't explain that 100% Achura "I load my gun with love instead of bullets"
TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR F.T.U. IMMORTAL REGIME 862	Posted - 2013.12.17 03:28:00 - [43] - Quote Asirius Medaius wrote: I-Shayz-I wrote: I have only gone positive isk-wise in a few matches since 1.7 deployed. I had 40k, now I'm almost down to 33ish. It's not like I run expensive suits either. My most expensive one right now costs 51k and I average about 30k per suit. But now it's like I die every other second playing this game. I've even been better about using cover instead of running out in the open, but even still I'm finding myself dying about 7-9 times every match. Just the other day I was only dying about 0-3 times per match. At this rate I'm going to have to start using free suits until I get some more isk... It's not just me though is it? I see other players on my team and the enemy team dying just as much or more (The top 3-4 players anyways). Could it be the new weapons? The fact that I'm running armor plates? Me not being used to the game yet? idk, I honestly don't think any specific weapon is OP or killing faster than I was dying back in 1.6...even though I still get pissed off every time I die by an AR. And I know for a fact that the combat rifle and rail rifle tear through shields fast enough that having more shields wouldn't exactly help much. I will try profile dampeners later...maybe that is the new thing. 1.7 is making me feel like the Duvolle isn't relatively overpowered anymore... Every time I see a person with one, I just laugh and kill them with 2 shots of my Proto Rail Rifle @ 70 meters. 2 shots? really? Tell me, how exactly DOES a biscuit gain Valor?
Ranger SnakeBlood OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 268	Posted - 2013.12.17 03:52:00 - [44] - Quote I started out dieing more than usual but have recently switched to using a standard minmatar logi suit and lol its beastly compared to my min assualt iam tired of getting killed by logies with 2 or if proto 3 times the amount of hp and more dmg probably down to the point that i shield tanked only so now iam armor tanked with a combat rifle and 2 damage mods and going positive mostly unless iam against nothing but proto of course it happens, to be honest it sickened me to see how effective armor tanking is. Iam fairly certain my KDR is on its way back up for the first time since before chromosome when there was only 1 assualt suit. On the bright side now that iam using a logi suit yall can expect it to be nerfed soon (rightly so if you ask me id prefer to use my min assualt but iam not going to put her through that served me well too long for that so when CCP fix it itll be used again in the way it deserves) Also i find it amusing that iam going more isk positive with MLT tanks with no sp in them than i was with my the old ADV min assualt suit i used most of the time.
Th3rdSun L.O.T.I.S. Public Disorder. 523	Posted - 2013.12.17 04:27:00 - [45] - Quote Lazy Scumbag wrote: I think the concept of this game keeps getting further from likeable... why anyone would elect to be a mercenary in New Eden is beyond me. Repetitive death, eventual bankruptcy, and our skills and weapons are repeatedly nerfed. Oh, and Scotty the matchmaker is clueless. Another great patch. POTY(Post Of The Year). Short,Clear,Simple,and most of all,Accurate.
8213 BIG BAD W0LVES 1078	Posted - 2013.12.17 04:47:00 - [46] - Quote Last week I was good at this game... then on a Tuesday I sucked
sira draco Isuuaya Tactical Caldari State 9	Posted - 2013.12.17 05:26:00 - [47] - Quote this game basically punishes you if you wanna different styles and different weapons, for example scouts get screwed and so do heavies, the only role that works is medium suits with some form of rifle, Combat rifle, rail rifle, Assault rifle, or scramble rifle, which is boring to me. I get bored with rifles so I like to try to make unique dropsuits with fun weapons, so I make a logi with a scrambler pistol. nope doesn't work, how abuot a scout with knives, nope doesnt work, how about playing a heavy with a mass driver or mass driver logi, nope doesn't work, ohh how about the plasma cannon, nope doesnt work, how about a sniper, nope, ohh the flaylock that looks fun, nope anything fun and unique in this game doesn't work, all these suits will die to rifle spam, the only way to survive is take up rifles which is just boring, I don't even know why they provide a diverse selection of weapons and suits if only one playstyle works.
sira draco Isuuaya Tactical Caldari State 9	Posted - 2013.12.17 05:28:00 - [48] - Quote Th3rdSun wrote: Lazy Scumbag wrote: I think the concept of this game keeps getting further from likeable... why anyone would elect to be a mercenary in New Eden is beyond me. Repetitive death, eventual bankruptcy, and our skills and weapons are repeatedly nerfed. Oh, and Scotty the matchmaker is clueless. Another great patch. POTY(Post Of The Year). Short,Clear,Simple,and most of all,Accurate. yes, well said, couldnt have said it better myself
GET ATMESON Dem Durrty Boyz Renegade Alliance 190	Posted - 2013.12.17 05:31:00 - [49] - Quote Jarod Garamonde Jr wrote: I-Shayz-I wrote: I have only gone positive isk-wise in a few matches since 1.7 deployed. I had 40k, now I'm almost down to 33ish. Um... when you're grinding for ISK and LP.... just use your endless supply of noobsuits. That way you NEVER lose things you paid ISK or AUR for. Does it really take an EVE player to come up with ideas like this? EvE players dont understand how it works in dust. Just like I dont understand how EvE works. Did play it for 7 months but its all click here and click there. BESIDES that. Yes you can use the free suits. Yes they are free. Are they good. No. Will you win if your hole team uses these? No. Is it worth it No. Go click and kill in EvE sir :* Heavys only have 2 heavy guns. Please dont turn the NERF bat on them. Give heavys more suits or guns soonGäó
Aero Yassavi Scions of Athra 4152	Posted - 2013.12.17 05:34:00 - [50] - Quote I noticed since Uprising 1.7 Skirmish matches have been decided by clone count far more frequently than ever before. Angels of vengeance, angels of mercy, scions of Athra. Amarr Victor

Cass Caul 533	Posted - 2013.12.17 05:37:00 - [51] - Quote pub match KDR is going way up this build. So long as thereisn't massive tank spam the reduction to aim assist greatly increases how long I can live. Now all they have to do is take away the sharpshooter skill and I'll be invincible. +Éß¦ëddGêÇ -çou -Äll+É-çoGö¦ A girl, on the internet?! I roll to disbelieve.
calvin b SCAVENGER'S DAUGHTER 1237	Posted - 2013.12.17 05:43:00 - [52] - Quote I am trying to figure out the right setting for my controls. Some days its the brightness, other days my aim is off and I can hit S*. I still go positive most games, but D* can I have a moment were I make some decent ISK, This game is so frustrating at the same time so D*** fun, for you never know what day it is going to be. Is it going to be a 30-0 day or is it going to be a 7-15 day? The evil hidden in the name
Naviticus OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 27	Posted - 2013.12.17 05:47:00 - [53] - Quote instead of 1 op weapon we now have 3 and ttk been reduced each patch and when ccp says weapon A is a shield based weapon and Weapon B is armor based.....how bout we make a actual difference. i.e. scrambler does less than half damage to armor same basis with armor based damage weps
Rennan Oliveira Shining Flame Amarr Empire 6	Posted - 2013.12.17 06:43:00 - [54] - Quote I came back from a 4 month break for this patch and here is what i noticed, the game is way more deadly now which means you have to be more tactical in order to survive, you have to take way more cover ( just like in real life) and you have to know when to RETREAT, no more rambo stuff, really it isnt that hard i've been doing 15-30kills with 0-3 deaths almost every match by simply following real life war "rules". Of course it is not how the game is supposed to be but addapt or "litteraly" die. =)
Piraten Hovnoret No Tax Scrubs 128	Posted - 2013.12.17 06:57:00 - [55] - Quote Jarod Garamonde Jr wrote: I-Shayz-I wrote: I have only gone positive isk-wise in a few matches since 1.7 deployed. I had 40k, now I'm almost down to 33ish. Um... when you're grinding for ISK and LP.... just use your endless supply of noobsuits. That way you NEVER lose things you paid ISK or AUR for. Does it really take an EVE player to come up with ideas like this? Is it just me that belive a system only admit you to use starter fits to go positive is broken? What's the fun in runing starter fits a year into the BLODEY game ? But hey I just run militia tanks now... God dam it I love this game but it's time to move on
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 4745	Posted - 2013.12.17 06:58:00 - [56] - Quote Wow, I guess I'm not the only one. I figured it's the new weapons, since they're more godly than the AR, even against shields. Seriously they both make the AR look like a kid's toy. Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives. Tuna > Tacos
Sinboto Simmons SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 3240	Posted - 2013.12.17 07:01:00 - [57] - Quote I haven't noticed myself dying more. Then again I'm a scout so I'm used to dying in the first place so perhaps I just haven't been paying attention. Sinboto - The True Blood Minja Forum Warrior level 3 STB-Infantry (Demolition)
Mossellia Delt Militaires Sans Jeux 773	Posted - 2013.12.17 07:10:00 - [58] - Quote funny thing... Iv been dying less since I put a rifle on my scout suit. Before I was going 10 - 20 / 0 - 7 Now im going 25 - 40 / 0 - 7 Parody Dust 514 Lyrics Vote for Delt
Vicious Minotaur Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 424	Posted - 2013.12.17 07:11:00 - [59] - Quote I die less now... Unless I am on the wrong side of a stomp-fest.
Thang Bausch Pierrot Le Fou Industries 77	Posted - 2013.12.17 08:30:00 - [60] - Quote Acturus Galaxy wrote: The extra range of the rail rifles makes a huge difference including their high damage. I am in a scout suit with 50 meters passive scanner. They are further away and I do not have a chance of reacting once the open fire, not knowing where they are and where to take cover. I am going free BPO suits and will put points into tanks, the environment has become very unhealthy for my scout at the moment. It feels like only 2-4 shots are needed from the proto rail to kill me, I have no way of closing the many open areas without getting spotted and insta killed. A frustrating experience yesterday and it completely changes how I will be playing. I've noticed a lot less scouts in matches since 1.7



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