they actually do their job which is to drive away the tanks. In mass they can be really dangerous as well. As stated by tons of tankers and this scout, no single player should be able to tank down a tank unless its another tank. Its armored support meant to make several people in a squad swap to av. One person "could" drive it away if they dont kill you in a reckless attempt to get another volley of swarms off. But your supposed to be using like 3 or 4 players in tandem.

2 complex dmg mods, wyk proto forge, prof 5, takes me 4-6 shells to kill 1 tank......

Just because 1 jackass with proto swarms can't take down a tank anymore (unless the pilot is afk) doesn't mean they're OP, vehicles are in a pretty good spot right now and I actually like where they're at alot.

I don't see why full time AV guys are crying so hard.

My fat suit alt was able to reliably destroy tanks last night, by myself.

It only requires two things:

Intelligence, and patience.

Both of which are in short supply for the people who claim to be AV.

If you plan to solo a tank now, it requires good positioning and good timing. And an LAV.

Still the same old dance as before, except now instead of never knowing when the best time to attack the tank is, now you have handy lite brite shows to tell you when it is green.

Once those modules go to sleep, you can put the tanker to bed too, no problem.

But if you are trying to bring a tank down with its hardeners down, you better get some friends. Lots of them.

Learning when to disengage is something tankers have had to know to survive for a long time. Welcome to our world.

So here is the truth at last. Tankers don't want to be part of a balanced game, they just want to be untouchable. Any 1 playstyle should have a weakness that can be exploited by another playstyle.

in general
1 AV'er < 1 infantry
1 Infantry < 1 tank
1 tank < 1 nothing

tone down the active resists and damage mods as in cut them in half.
and see how well that might work..

Or you could just wait for the mods to go into cooldown. Tanks have never been this weak. You just have to be smart and use timing.

With the current speed most vehicles have and the subsequent lowering of AV effectiveness, this moment of invariability is too long, either that or they have a too short downtime.

Dropships needed no help.

Someone at CCP pulled a Michael Bolton with the MLT injector and put a decimal in the wrong spot. If you see a tank breaking the sound barrier, that's probably why. Other than that, they really aren't that much faster than before. Torque got a huge buff, but that's about it. All this was probably in preparation for infantry being able to tackle in 1.8.

About people complaining about AV being underpowered... I lose at least a dropship per ambush (btw i don't even bother playing domination or skirmish because of all the red lining tanks), sometimes 2 so that is about 500k-1 mill isk per game and I get paid around 150-200k per game. How much does it cost you to get your little toy out in the wild?!

As a dropship pilot, I can tell you that there is no way in hell that I can stay still with even a single swarm unleashing on me. I have to run, NOW or I am dead. That's not underpowered, it's finally balanced. You guys are complaining because you had it good for a year where you just looked at us and we would die. Now it's time to grow a brain and actually INVEST to kill people that INVESTED.

I am going to ask this as politely as I can.

How the hell did you come by this conclusion?

the purpose of a dropship is to transport infantry - not dominate the skies and crush infantry via air-support.

You are a tanker and do not deserve to talk about AV as I know you would actually AV with a tank because its cheaper and more effective. Thanks though

they actually do their job which is to drive away the tanks. In mass they can be really dangerous as well. As stated by tons of tankers and this scout, no single player should be able to tank down a tank unless its another tank. Its armored support meant to make several people in a squad swap to av. One person "could" drive it away if they dont kill you in a reckless attempt to get another volley of swarms off. But your supposed to be using like 3 or 4 players in tandem.

But your supposed to be using like 3 or 4 players in tandem.

Why can't people give these things a week to figure out what works before complaining? At the very least give more detailed constructive feedback.

The idea of 1.7 vehicles is that they're supposed to be very powerful when modules are active, and very vulnerable when modules are cooling down. Have you tried waiting to attack when they're in cooldown?
Make sure to use the right kinds of weapons when fighting vehicles. Forge guns and swarm launchers do more armor damage, and less shield damage, so they're best for armor tanks. Plasma cannons do more damage to shields, so they are best on shield tanks.

Keep in mind the militia speed booster modules are bugged, at least that's what I hear.

Let things settle a bit before calling for nerfs.

lol....

i like seeing trolls out there. thanks but work harder please to keep up the good name of troll.

maybe they can increase swarm damage to 240/250 but thats it, but then again AV is hitting tanks with hardeners up, they have a 40 sec cooldown, just talking out loaf

AV was nerfed too much and vehicles are running rampant. No counter but other tanks. Paper, rock, scissors is NOT working. There is absolutely no reason to skill into swarms, AV grenades, and little reason to skill into forge guns.