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Snail Super Wraith Shadow Guards D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 9	Posted - 2013.12.10 22:18:00 - [1] - Quote 1.7 crisis for infantry players against vehicles. Whenever an enemy tank, let alone two tanks, is deployed in a match, I have nothing NOTHING to counter vehicles. My last match I unloaded the following on a Gunlogi in this order: 3x Advance AV Grenades 4x Advance Swarm launchers I don't know how much damage I dealt, but it still survived. I don't know if I can play like this anymore. I'm practically a sitting duck with no where to hide. There needs to be massive changes, yes, but this.... THIS. This is more of a cry for help than a feedback. SoonGäó
Ivy Zalinto Bobbit's Hangmen 140	Posted - 2013.12.10 22:25:00 - [2] - Quote Snail Super wrote: 1.7 crisis for infantry players against vehicles. Whenever an enemy tank, let alone two tanks, is deployed in a match, I have nothing NOTHING to counter vehicles. My last match I unloaded the following on a Gunlogi in this order: 3x Advance AV Grenades 4x Advance Swarm launchers I don't know how much damage I dealt, but it still survived. I don't know if I can play like this anymore. I'm practically a sitting duck with no where to hide. There needs to be massive changes, yes, but this.... THIS. This is more of a cry for help than a feedback. Thats because its a tank...you shouldnt be able to solo it with its active defenses up. I was doing exactly this earlier in my Gunnlogi with a single hardener and rather like the new aspects to the balance. Catch a tank when its weak with a group and it drops just as quick as they used to. Let me reiterate that it is a Tank. Dedicated scout. New player tutor; scout instructor Scrambler Pistol dedication
PEW JACKSON s i n g u l a r i t y 118	Posted - 2013.12.10 22:27:00 - [3] - Quote Try with 3x complex dmg modded Proto swarms...... Hit a Gunnlogi with it's hardeners down only to have it use it's shield booster to rep back to full shield. Then it activates a hardener and sits through my second clip.... STD Tank sitting through PROTO AV.
Ivy Zalinto Bobbit's Hangmen 140	Posted - 2013.12.10 22:30:00 - [4] - Quote PEW JACKSON wrote: Try with 3x complex dmg modded Proto swarms...... Hit a Gunnlogi with it's hardeners down only to have it use it's shield booster to rep back to full shield. Then it activates a hardener and sits through my second clip.... STD Tank sitting through PROTO AV. Arent missiles bad against shielding? Even if it is proto... Dedicated scout. New player tutor; scout instructor Scrambler Pistol dedication
Snail Super Wraith Shadow Guards D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 9	Posted - 2013.12.10 22:31:00 - [5] - Quote Ivy Zalinto wrote: Snail Super wrote: 1.7 crisis for infantry players against vehicles. Whenever an enemy tank, let alone two tanks, is deployed in a match, I have nothing NOTHING to counter vehicles. My last match I unloaded the following on a Gunlogi in this order: 3x Advance AV Grenades 4x Advance Swarm launchers I don't know how much damage I dealt, but it still survived. I don't know if I can play like this anymore. I'm practically a sitting duck with no where to hide. There needs to be massive changes, yes, but this.... THIS. This is more of a cry for help than a feedback. Thats because its a tank...you shouldnt be able to solo it with its active defenses up. I was doing exactly this earlier in my Gunnlogi with a single hardener and rather like the new aspects to the balance. Catch a tank when its weak with a group and it drops just as quick as they used to. Let me reiterate that it is a Tank. Then please, enlighten me on how I should take out a tank. I truly don't know what to do as an infantry any more. When I tried this tactic twice in less than 10 seconds. 6x advance AV Grenades and 8x Advance Swarm launchers on the same HAV. SoonGäó
PEW JACKSON s i n g u l a r i t y 118	Posted - 2013.12.10 22:40:00 - [6] - Quote Ivy Zalinto wrote: PEW JACKSON wrote: Try with 3x complex dmg modded Proto swarms...... Hit a Gunnlogi with it's hardeners down only to have it use it's shield booster to rep back to full shield. Then it activates a hardener and sits through my second clip.... STD Tank sitting through PROTO AV. Arent missiles bad against shielding? Even if it is proto... Doesn't matter if it's bad against shields. The shields are on a vehicle, and my weapon is specifically made to counter vehicles..... Not infantry, VEHICLES!!! Prof 3 3 complex dmg mods Proto swarms + shots to tank weak spot All while hardeners were down. Swarms now are only good for taking out installations. You'd probably be better off buying a MLT rail tank to take out installations anyway, at least you can kill infantry.
Ivy Zalinto Bobbit's Hangmen 140	Posted - 2013.12.10 22:44:00 - [7] - Quote Snail Super wrote: Ivy Zalinto wrote: Snail Super wrote: 1.7 crisis for infantry players against vehicles. Whenever an enemy tank, let alone two tanks, is deployed in a match, I have nothing NOTHING to counter vehicles. My last match I unloaded the following on a Gunlogi in this order: 3x Advance AV Grenades 4x Advance Swarm launchers I don't know how much damage I dealt, but it still survived. I don't know if I can play like this anymore. I'm practically a sitting duck with no where to hide. There needs to be massive changes, yes, but this.... THIS. This is more of a cry for help than a feedback. Thats because its a tank...you shouldnt be able to solo it with its active defenses up. I was doing exactly this earlier in my Gunnlogi with a single hardener and rather like the new aspects to the balance. Catch a tank when its weak with a group and it drops just as quick as they used to. Let me reiterate that it is a Tank. Then please, enlighten me on how I should take out a tank. I truly don't know what to do as an infantry any more. When I tried this tactic twice in less than 10 seconds. 6x advance AV Grenades and 8x Advance Swarm launchers on the same HAV. My suggestion is running with 3-4 people running similar kits of advanced teir or better. As we have no alarms yet, get within close range using available cover and stealth. Coordinate your strike via voice communication of some kind be it in game or third party. When you strike, strike hard with no thought of ammo consumption. All of your squad hits multiple times and if done right will even drive the hardened tanks away. Its not about the damage you can put out, as the regen will cover one swarms hit delay before the next launch through regen and reaction. Multiple swarms are harder to deal with. Coordinated swarms are another thing entirely. honestly, toss out the av grenades, their worthless. Dedicated scout. New player tutor; scout instructor Scrambler Pistol dedication
Alena Ventrallis Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 247	Posted - 2013.12.10 22:47:00 - [8] - Quote PEW JACKSON wrote: Ivy Zalinto wrote: PEW JACKSON wrote: Try with 3x complex dmg modded Proto swarms...... Hit a Gunnlogi with it's hardeners down only to have it use it's shield booster to rep back to full shield. Then it activates a hardener and sits through my second clip.... STD Tank sitting through PROTO AV. Arent missiles bad against shielding? Even if it is proto... Doesn't matter if it's bad against shields. The shields are on a vehicle, and my weapon is specifically made to counter vehicles..... Not infantry, VEHICLES!!! Prof 3 3 complex dmg mods Proto swarms + shots to tank weak spot All while hardeners were down. Swarms now are only good for taking out installations. You'd probably be better off buying a MLT rail tank to take out installations anyway, at least you can kill infantry. I doubt his hardeners were down. I've killed tanks with my drop ship while their hardeners are up, and swarms can put out more dps. The logical part of me thinks CCP took a good idea with the vehicle balance (which I love BTW) and took it slightly too far. I think they need to reduce the HP of vehicles and modules, but make hardeners more effective, so that when you turn them on, you end up with the same ehp that we have bow. This emphasizes vehicles active hardeners, and makes the cool down of more concern. The other part of me, however, laughs at AV players, and I have no plans to stop my rampage until you have lost the equivalent isk that I have on my drop ships. Payback's a *****.
Soraya Xel The Corporate Raiders Top Men. 778	Posted - 2013.12.10 22:50:00 - [9] - Quote CCP needs to ensure a solo player can kill tanks unless CCP is willing to make it so a tank requires multiple players. Top Men. - The DUST Arm of the CFC www.dust-gents.com Recruiting corporations and players now!
Lynn Beck Granite Mercenary Division Top Men. 324	Posted - 2013.12.10 22:58:00 - [10] - Quote So... First you whine that a tank lived, then you whine that it doesn't cost them enough. Then you whine that the big bad gun shot you. Seriously, i havent even pulled a tank out yet, but if this is the tears that result... cantankerous here i come!!! Under 28db Officially nerfproof (predicting CR nerf February '14) I haz knife. Me get steak?

Ivy Zalinto Bobbit's Hangmen 140	Posted - 2013.12.10 23:01:00 - [11] - Quote Yeah its a tank...armored antieverything vehicle. Your attacking it without armor...therefore you should and do die. Attack in mass or hide. Either way, gg unless your smart about it Dedicated scout. New player tutor; scout instructor Scrambler Pistol dedication
PEW JACKSON s i n g u l a r i t y 118	Posted - 2013.12.10 23:01:00 - [12] - Quote Alena Ventrallis wrote: PEW JACKSON wrote: Ivy Zalinto wrote: PEW JACKSON wrote: Try with 3x complex dmg modded Proto swarms...... Hit a Gunnlogi with it's hardeners down only to have it use it's shield booster to rep back to full shield. Then it activates a hardener and sits through my second clip.... STD Tank sitting through PROTO AV. Arent missiles bad against shielding? Even if it is proto... Doesn't matter if it's bad against shields. The shields are on a vehicle, and my weapon is specifically made to counter vehicles..... Not infantry, VEHICLES!!! Prof 3 3 complex dmg mods Proto swarms + shots to tank weak spot All while hardeners were down. Swarms now are only good for taking out installations. You'd probably be better off buying a MLT rail tank to take out installations anyway, at least you can kill infantry. I doubt his hardeners were down. I've killed tanks with my drop ship while their hardeners are up, and swarms can put out more dps. The logical part of me thinks CCP took a good idea with the vehicle balance (which I love BTW) and took it slightly too far. I think they need to reduce the HP of vehicles and modules, but make hardeners more effective, so that when you turn them on, you end up with the same ehp that we have bow. This emphasizes vehicles active hardeners, and makes the cool down of more concern. The other part of me, however, laughs at AV players, and I have no plans to stop my rampage until you have lost the equivalent isk that I have on my drop ships. Payback's a ****. There goes that whole AVers are dumb a sht stereotype...... 1 Javelin missile can take out a M1 Abrams or the equivalent, yet my swarm launcher firing 6x the payload barely scratches anything. Pilots can kill infantry and other vehicles. Forgers can wound MLT dropships and annoy anything higher tiered. LolTanks use nitrous before 2nd shot even hits. Swarmers just wait to die... Useless against tanks and free kills for infantry. Tanks got SP back, I want my AV sp back. [EDIT] It's pretty easy to take out a take if you're hovering over it's blind spot. Try that in it's line of sight. Oh while in range of infantry.
Cosgar ParagonX 8519	Posted - 2013.12.10 23:03:00 - [13] - Quote Wait for their modules to go into cooldown. It's all about timing now. I tried to put a level into Amarr Commando once, but got a server notification saying "Why?"
Benjamin Ciscko The Generals General Tso's Alliance 305	Posted - 2013.12.10 23:03:00 - [14] - Quote Snail Super wrote: 1.7 crisis for infantry players against vehicles. Whenever an enemy tank, let alone two tanks, is deployed in a match, I have nothing NOTHING to counter vehicles. My last match I unloaded the following on a Gunlogi in this order: 3x Advance AV Grenades 4x Advance Swarm launchers I don't know how much damage I dealt, but it still survived. I don't know if I can play like this anymore. I'm practically a sitting duck with no where to hide. There needs to be massive changes, yes, but this.... THIS. This is more of a cry for help than a feedback. My Gunnlogi survived two proto swarmer's and an AFG shooting me it's not a surprise you weren't able to solo it using ADV gear that is ineffective against shields and didn't kill it, use flux or is it too difficult not having the grenades fly at the target if your throw is off target. Tanker/Logi Teamwork for thee, but no teamwork for me, such is the motto of the anti vehicle infantry. -Spkr4theDead
Benjamin Ciscko The Generals General Tso's Alliance 305	Posted - 2013.12.10 23:05:00 - [15] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: CCP needs to ensure a solo player can kill tanks unless CCP is willing to make it so a tank requires multiple players. It is balanced already, tank with mods > 2+ proto AV, tank with mods off < ADV AV. Tanker/Logi Teamwork for thee, but no teamwork for me, such is the motto of the anti vehicle infantry. -Spkr4theDead
Vulpes Dolosus SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 446	Posted - 2013.12.10 23:18:00 - [16] - Quote Rock beats sissors. "Nerf rock" Dropship Specialist: AKA Clinically Insane Kills- Incubus: 3; Pythons: 0; Logistics: 0; Militia: 19; Tanks: 4
Gelan Corbaine Gladiators Vanguard 239	Posted - 2013.12.10 23:20:00 - [17] - Quote And how are the AVer supposed to pay for their gear if they can't kill anything ? Remember .. more that 2 AVers ......only one gets paid . And we fight at a disadvantage vs well everything now. How is this in anyway viable ? No job is worth doing if you don't get paid in the end .
Mossellia Delt Militaires Sans Jeux 755	Posted - 2013.12.10 23:21:00 - [18] - Quote Spec into Logi + Explosives place REs STD - PRO in a big pile in high traffic area wait for tank to drive over it, detonate WPs, WPs for all! Also, REs on the front of an LAV, drive into the tank, KABOOM Parody Dust 514 Lyrics Vote for Delt
Ivy Zalinto Bobbit's Hangmen 140	Posted - 2013.12.10 23:33:00 - [19] - Quote Gelan Corbaine wrote: And how are the AVer supposed to pay for their gear if they can't kill anything ? Remember .. more that 2 AVers ......only one gets paid . And we fight at a disadvantage vs well everything now. How is this in anyway viable ? This is what happens when people play for the single person and not for the team. Since when has Eve ever been about a single player. Its about how your actions influence the lives or actions of a few if not many players at a time. Coordinate, kill the thing and get your match winnings or let the tank roam free and slaughter your team. Honestly, day one thoughts on both infantry and tank side...perfect balance. Will check findings on day two and compare. Dedicated scout. New player tutor; scout instructor Scrambler Pistol dedication
Gelan Corbaine Gladiators Vanguard 240	Posted - 2013.12.11 00:00:00 - [20] - Quote Ivy Zalinto wrote: This is what happens when people play for the single person and not for the team. Since when has Eve ever been about a single player. Its about how your actions influence the lives or actions of a few if not many players at a time. Coordinate, kill the thing and get your match winnings or let the tank roam free and slaughter your team. Honestly, day one thoughts on both infantry and tank side...perfect balance. Will check findings on day two and compare. Teamwork is great ......but it doesn't pay the bills ... No WP means your share of the winnings IF you win will be much smalller ....and most times wont even cover your losses. How can we help our teammates if we are too broke to do it ? Eve is about Risk vs Reward ......... for an AVer at the moment ( minus the cheap tactics of Jihad Jeeping ) it's High risk little reward ..... Look I'm not saying that the situation needs to be nerfed . It was fun fighting the new tanks and dropships even if a lot got away it made the ones did get feel that much sweeter . I'm just saying the reward system for AV needs to be balanced a bit better or we all will find ourselves with a lack of AV because it's simply not cost effective to run . I have even more incentive to ignore the tank and turn my forge toward infantry and that should not be . No job is worth doing if you don't get paid in the end .

Jack Galen 8thDivision 1	Posted - 2013.12.11 00:03:00 - [21] - Quote Having been a DS pilot since the day DUST came out, I can safely say that this has been the only update so far in which I can even sustain (let alone profit from) my roles as a transport/CRU/reconnaissance/fire support, even with finance from a tight knit corp. It used to be that if you were hit by swarms, you drop what you are doing, turn, and slam the throttle to the firewall. A hit from a proto forge gun would often spell death, as you would be unable to get clear before the second deadly shot hit. You would also have an incredibly hard time laying down fire as assault, as on top of the above, aiming was a ***** for the damage dealt. Gone are those days. Thankyou CCP. (Oh, and AVs, now you can see how it is to be in our shoes...or suits!)
Ivy Zalinto Bobbit's Hangmen 140	Posted - 2013.12.11 00:03:00 - [22] - Quote Gelan Corbaine wrote: Ivy Zalinto wrote: This is what happens when people play for the single person and not for the team. Since when has Eve ever been about a single player. Its about how your actions influence the lives or actions of a few if not many players at a time. Coordinate, kill the thing and get your match winnings or let the tank roam free and slaughter your team. Honestly, day one thoughts on both infantry and tank side...perfect balance. Will check findings on day two and compare. Teamwork is great ......but it doesn't pay the bills ... No WP means your share of the winnings IF you win will be much smalller ....and most times wont even cover your losses. How can we help our teammates if we are too broke to do it ? Eve is about Risk vs Reward ......... for an AVer at the moment ( minus the cheap tactics of Jihad Jeeping ) it's High risk little reward ..... Look I'm not saying that the situation needs to be nerfed . It was fun fighting the new tanks and dropships even if a lot got away it made the ones did get feel that much sweeter . I'm just saying the reward system for AV needs to be balanced a bit better or we all will find ourselves with a lack of AV because it's simply not cost effective to run . I have even more incentive to ignore the tank and turn my forge toward infantry and that should not be . They do need to fix the assists for killing vehicles to actually pay out for doing like...over 200 damage or something. I dont get points for hitting vehicles with my rail sometimes. Would that be a satisfactory solution for this? Im just highly against one player being able to solo any form of tank other than civilian even if its in proto. Especially if the tanker is smart and knows how to run and fit their tanks. Dedicated scout. New player tutor; scout instructor Scrambler Pistol dedication
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui KOBAYASHI MARU PROJECT 175	Posted - 2013.12.11 00:15:00 - [23] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: CCP needs to ensure a solo player can kill tanks unless CCP is willing to make it so a tank requires multiple players. WHAT ?????? " BANE " of ALL vehicle users , Crush , Kill and Destroy ALL vehicles !!!!!
PEW JACKSON s i n g u l a r i t y 118	Posted - 2013.12.11 00:21:00 - [24] - Quote Jack Galen wrote: Having been a DS pilot since the day DUST came out, I can safely say that this has been the only update so far in which I can even sustain (let alone profit from) my roles as a transport/CRU/reconnaissance/fire support, even with finance from a tight knit corp. It used to be that if you were hit by swarms, you drop what you are doing, turn, and slam the throttle to the firewall. A hit from a proto forge gun would often spell death, as you would be unable to get clear before the second deadly shot hit. You would also have an incredibly hard time laying down fire as assault, as on top of the above, aiming was a ***** for the damage dealt. Gone are those days. Thankyou CCP. (Oh, and AVs, now you can see how it is to be in our shoes...or suits!) Hardly any difficulty being a tanker especially when you can 3 shot infantry with a blaster.
Ivy Zalinto Bobbit's Hangmen 141	Posted - 2013.12.11 00:32:00 - [25] - Quote PEW JACKSON wrote: Jack Galen wrote: Having been a DS pilot since the day DUST came out, I can safely say that this has been the only update so far in which I can even sustain (let alone profit from) my roles as a transport/CRU/reconnaissance/fire support, even with finance from a tight knit corp. It used to be that if you were hit by swarms, you drop what you are doing, turn, and slam the throttle to the firewall. A hit from a proto forge gun would often spell death, as you would be unable to get clear before the second deadly shot hit. You would also have an incredibly hard time laying down fire as assault, as on top of the above, aiming was a ***** for the damage dealt. Gone are those days. Thankyou CCP. (Oh, and AVs, now you can see how it is to be in our shoes...or suits!) Hardly any difficulty being a tanker especially when you can 3 shot infantry with a blaster. Hes talking about dropships mate. I love sniping those things with my rails. They just fling all over the place when their hit. Makes me giggle alot XD Dedicated scout. New player tutor; scout instructor Scrambler Pistol dedication
Jack Galen 8thDivision 2	Posted - 2013.12.11 00:53:00 - [26] - Quote Ivy Zalinto wrote: PEW JACKSON wrote: Jack Galen wrote: Having been a DS pilot since the day DUST came out, I can safely say that this has been the only update so far in which I can even sustain (let alone profit from) my roles as a transport/CRU/reconnaissance/fire support, even with finance from a tight knit corp. It used to be that if you were hit by swarms, you drop what you are doing, turn, and slam the throttle to the firewall. A hit from a proto forge gun would often spell death, as you would be unable to get clear before the second deadly shot hit. You would also have an incredibly hard time laying down fire as assault, as on top of the above, aiming was a ***** for the damage dealt. Gone are those days. Thankyou CCP. (Oh, and AVs, now you can see how it is to be in our shoes...or suits!) Hardly any difficulty being a tanker especially when you can 3 shot infantry with a blaster. Hes talking about dropships mate. I love sniping those things with my rails. They just fling all over the place when their hit. Makes me giggle alot XD Haha, I have learnt the hard way that you absolutely DO NOT hover outside of cover EVER from the likes of you! Each man to his own style
Shijima Kuraimaru WarRavens League of Infamy 399	Posted - 2013.12.11 07:08:00 - [27] - Quote Ivy Zalinto wrote: Snail Super wrote: 1.7 crisis for infantry players against vehicles. Whenever an enemy tank, let alone two tanks, is deployed in a match, I have nothing NOTHING to counter vehicles. My last match I unloaded the following on a Gunlogi in this order: 3x Advance AV Grenades 4x Advance Swarm launchers I don't know how much damage I dealt, but it still survived. I don't know if I can play like this anymore. I'm practically a sitting duck with no where to hide. There needs to be massive changes, yes, but this.... THIS. This is more of a cry for help than a feedback. Thats because its a tank...you shouldnt be able to solo it with its active defenses up. I was doing exactly this earlier in my Gunnlogi with a single hardener and rather like the new aspects to the balance. Catch a tank when its weak with a group and it drops just as quick as they used to. Let me reiterate that it is a Tank. May I introduce you to the FGM-148 Javelin? Man portable infantry based AV that actually kills tanks in one shot. Usually crewed by two, but can be effectively operated by one. Now with that in mind... One shouldn't be able to solo a tank with a launcher that fires four homing missiles why? Oh right. HAV pilots like their easy mode. The forge gun splash radius nerf has not diminished my ability to kill infantry with it. Thank you.
Shijima Kuraimaru WarRavens League of Infamy 399	Posted - 2013.12.11 07:13:00 - [28] - Quote Ivy Zalinto wrote: Snail Super wrote: Ivy Zalinto wrote: Snail Super wrote: 1.7 crisis for infantry players against vehicles. Whenever an enemy tank, let alone two tanks, is deployed in a match, I have nothing NOTHING to counter vehicles. My last match I unloaded the following on a Gunlogi in this order: 3x Advance AV Grenades 4x Advance Swarm launchers I don't know how much damage I dealt, but it still survived. I don't know if I can play like this anymore. I'm practically a sitting duck with no where to hide. There needs to be massive changes, yes, but this.... THIS. This is more of a cry for help than a feedback. Thats because its a tank...you shouldnt be able to solo it with its active defenses up. I was doing exactly this earlier in my Gunnlogi with a single hardener and rather like the new aspects to the balance. Catch a tank when its weak with a group and it drops just as quick as they used to. Let me reiterate that it is a Tank. Then please, enlighten me on how I should take out a tank. I truly don't know what to do as an infantry any more. When I tried this tactic twice in less than 10 seconds. 6x advance AV Grenades and 8x Advance Swarm launchers on the same HAV. My suggestion is running with 3-4 people running similar kits of advanced teir or better. As we have no alarms yet, get within close range using available cover and stealth. Coordinate your strike via voice communication of some kind be it in game or third party. When you strike, strike hard with no thought of ammo consumption. All of your squad hits multiple times and if done right will even drive the hardened tanks away. Its not about the damage you can put out, as the regen will cover one swarms hit delay before the next launch through regen and reaction. Multiple swarms are harder to deal with. Coordinated swarms are another thing entirely. honestly, toss out the av grenades, their worthless. Edit- idk why im giving you strategy against something I run...Too much fairness involved for a game where we pay for things i guess. I actually want to help you guys. But driving tanks is now immensely more enjoyable. x.x If it should require three infantry AV to take a HAV, then to be balanced and fair, a HAV shouldn't be able to function at all without a crew of three. The forge gun splash radius nerf has not diminished my ability to kill infantry with it. Thank you.
LittleCuteBunny 240	Posted - 2013.12.11 07:19:00 - [29] - Quote They are fine, although nitro needs a fix. It has been hilarious a few hours ago I saw a tank being lured to what it appeared to be a weak infantry player just for it to be ambushed by 2 forges and 1 swarm ( it blew up almost instantly) and all day long HAVs keep blowing each other. Personally HAV fights seem to be more active and they are vulnerable long enough to get destroyed.
Shijima Kuraimaru WarRavens League of Infamy 399	Posted - 2013.12.11 07:27:00 - [30] - Quote Ivy Zalinto wrote: Gelan Corbaine wrote: And how are the AVer supposed to pay for their gear if they can't kill anything ? Remember .. more that 2 AVers ......only one gets paid . And we fight at a disadvantage vs well everything now. How is this in anyway viable ? This is what happens when people play for the single person and not for the team. Since when has Eve ever been about a single player. Its about how your actions influence the lives or actions of a few if not many players at a time. Coordinate, kill the thing and get your match winnings or let the tank roam free and slaughter your team. Honestly, day one thoughts on both infantry and tank side...perfect balance. Will check findings on day two and compare. Well if you actually look at what you're talking about... The HAV only requires one pilot for it to be a full functioning mobile large turret platform therefore lending to the premise of single player success. If you have any real experience in Eve you would know that it is possible for a single cruiser, even a frigate, to lock down a battleship and solo it to death. Happens every day in Eve. Even industrials have been used to successfully make "lone wolf" kills. AVers play for the team by sacrificing effectiveness against Infantry to be effective against vehicles. Now, at the current values, AV infantry is effective at nothing as an experienced and capable HAV pilot will now rarely loose a HAV. The risk to HAVs, and dropships to a somewhat lesser extent, has become quite low. The forge gun splash radius nerf has not diminished my ability to kill infantry with it. Thank you.



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