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Ivy Zalinto
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Posted - 2013.12.10 22:25:00 -
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Snail Super wrote:1.7 crisis for infantry players against vehicles.
Whenever an enemy tank, let alone two tanks, is deployed in a match, I have nothing NOTHING to counter vehicles.
My last match I unloaded the following on a Gunlogi in this order:
3x Advance AV Grenades
4x Advance Swarm launchers
I don't know how much damage I dealt, but it still survived. I don't know if I can play like this anymore. I'm practically a sitting duck with no where to hide.
There needs to be massive changes, yes, but this.... THIS. This is more of a cry for help than a feedback.
Thats because its a tank...you shouldnt be able to solo it with its active defenses up. I was doing exactly this earlier in my Gunnlogi with a single hardener and rather like the new aspects to the balance. Catch a tank when its weak with a group and it drops just as quick as they used to. Let me reiterate that it is a Tank.
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Ivy Zalinto
Bobbit's Hangmen
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Posted - 2013.12.10 22:30:00 -
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PEW JACKSON wrote:Try with 3x complex dmg modded Proto swarms......
Hit a Gunnlogi with it's hardeners down only to have it use it's shield booster to rep back to full shield. Then it activates a hardener and sits through my second clip....
STD Tank sitting through PROTO AV.
Arent missiles bad against shielding? Even if it is proto...
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Ivy Zalinto
Bobbit's Hangmen
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Posted - 2013.12.10 22:44:00 -
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Snail Super wrote:Ivy Zalinto wrote:Snail Super wrote:1.7 crisis for infantry players against vehicles.
Whenever an enemy tank, let alone two tanks, is deployed in a match, I have nothing NOTHING to counter vehicles.
My last match I unloaded the following on a Gunlogi in this order:
3x Advance AV Grenades
4x Advance Swarm launchers
I don't know how much damage I dealt, but it still survived. I don't know if I can play like this anymore. I'm practically a sitting duck with no where to hide.
There needs to be massive changes, yes, but this.... THIS. This is more of a cry for help than a feedback. Thats because its a tank...you shouldnt be able to solo it with its active defenses up. I was doing exactly this earlier in my Gunnlogi with a single hardener and rather like the new aspects to the balance. Catch a tank when its weak with a group and it drops just as quick as they used to. Let me reiterate that it is a Tank. Then please, enlighten me on how I should take out a tank. I truly don't know what to do as an infantry any more. When I tried this tactic twice in less than 10 seconds. 6x advance AV Grenades and 8x Advance Swarm launchers on the same HAV.
My suggestion is running with 3-4 people running similar kits of advanced teir or better. As we have no alarms yet, get within close range using available cover and stealth. Coordinate your strike via voice communication of some kind be it in game or third party. When you strike, strike hard with no thought of ammo consumption. All of your squad hits multiple times and if done right will even drive the hardened tanks away. Its not about the damage you can put out, as the regen will cover one swarms hit delay before the next launch through regen and reaction. Multiple swarms are harder to deal with. Coordinated swarms are another thing entirely. honestly, toss out the av grenades, their worthless.
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Ivy Zalinto
Bobbit's Hangmen
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Posted - 2013.12.10 23:01:00 -
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Yeah its a tank...armored antieverything vehicle. Your attacking it without armor...therefore you should and do die. Attack in mass or hide. Either way, gg unless your smart about it
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Ivy Zalinto
Bobbit's Hangmen
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Posted - 2013.12.10 23:33:00 -
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Gelan Corbaine wrote:And how are the AVer supposed to pay for their gear if they can't kill anything ? Remember .. more that 2 AVers ......only one gets paid . And we fight at a disadvantage vs well everything now. How is this in anyway viable ?
This is what happens when people play for the single person and not for the team. Since when has Eve ever been about a single player. Its about how your actions influence the lives or actions of a few if not many players at a time. Coordinate, kill the thing and get your match winnings or let the tank roam free and slaughter your team. Honestly, day one thoughts on both infantry and tank side...perfect balance. Will check findings on day two and compare.
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Ivy Zalinto
Bobbit's Hangmen
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Posted - 2013.12.11 00:03:00 -
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Gelan Corbaine wrote:Ivy Zalinto wrote:
This is what happens when people play for the single person and not for the team. Since when has Eve ever been about a single player. Its about how your actions influence the lives or actions of a few if not many players at a time. Coordinate, kill the thing and get your match winnings or let the tank roam free and slaughter your team. Honestly, day one thoughts on both infantry and tank side...perfect balance. Will check findings on day two and compare.
Teamwork is great ......but it doesn't pay the bills ... No WP means your share of the winnings IF you win will be much smalller ....and most times wont even cover your losses. How can we help our teammates if we are too broke to do it ? Eve is about Risk vs Reward ......... for an AVer at the moment ( minus the cheap tactics of Jihad Jeeping ) it's High risk little reward ..... Look I'm not saying that the situation needs to be nerfed . It was fun fighting the new tanks and dropships even if a lot got away it made the ones did get feel that much sweeter . I'm just saying the reward system for AV needs to be balanced a bit better or we all will find ourselves with a lack of AV because it's simply not cost effective to run . I have even more incentive to ignore the tank and turn my forge toward infantry and that should not be . They do need to fix the assists for killing vehicles to actually pay out for doing like...over 200 damage or something. I dont get points for hitting vehicles with my rail sometimes. Would that be a satisfactory solution for this? Im just highly against one player being able to solo any form of tank other than civilian even if its in proto. Especially if the tanker is smart and knows how to run and fit their tanks.
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Ivy Zalinto
Bobbit's Hangmen
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Posted - 2013.12.11 00:32:00 -
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PEW JACKSON wrote:Jack Galen wrote:Having been a DS pilot since the day DUST came out, I can safely say that this has been the only update so far in which I can even sustain (let alone profit from) my roles as a transport/CRU/reconnaissance/fire support, even with finance from a tight knit corp.
It used to be that if you were hit by swarms, you drop what you are doing, turn, and slam the throttle to the firewall. A hit from a proto forge gun would often spell death, as you would be unable to get clear before the second deadly shot hit. You would also have an incredibly hard time laying down fire as assault, as on top of the above, aiming was a ***** for the damage dealt.
Gone are those days. Thankyou CCP.
(Oh, and AVs, now you can see how it is to be in our shoes...or suits!) Hardly any difficulty being a tanker especially when you can 3 shot infantry with a blaster.
Hes talking about dropships mate. I love sniping those things with my rails. They just fling all over the place when their hit. Makes me giggle alot XD
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