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Aesiron Kor-Azor
Amarr Templars
Amarr Empire
489
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Posted - 2013.12.10 20:22:00 -
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So I decided to try out the two new weapons today, this is how I made my judgement relatively fair:
- both times I had only the rifle level 1 skill learned.
- I used the standard rifle of each.
- I used the same gear, Amarr Assault A/1 with two shield extenders, one armour extender and a repairer.
- I played both games in Amarr Factional Warfare, both games were full duration.
My K/D is 2.36 and W/L is 1.1.
And out came the results:
Rail Rifle - 5 kills, 6 deaths.
Combat Rifle - 21 kills, 4 deaths.
I haven't played Dust 514 for several weeks, and with no skill at all I popped out a very good result with the Combat Rifle... It is immensely overpowered and easy to use compared to the Rail Rifle. I am calling for a damage nerf. It seems that with about 4-5 bursts I can kill an enemy, whereas the Rail Rifle requires a much larger degree of skill to use.
your mom
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Kira Lannister
Ancient Exiles.
Renegade Alliance
2070
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Posted - 2013.12.10 20:24:00 -
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One question.
As a holy templar....how could you touch matari tech...
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"The Ancient Templars will guard fearlessly the people, the land and the heavens of the empire."
Book of Exiles 1:3
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Aesiron Kor-Azor
Amarr Templars
Amarr Empire
489
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Posted - 2013.12.10 20:25:00 -
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Kira Lannister wrote:One question.
As a holy templar....how could you touch matari tech...
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Because I got bored of the SCR... And I love railguns...
your mom
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N1ck Comeau
Ahrendee Mercenaries
EoN.
1597
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Posted - 2013.12.10 20:26:00 -
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well first off, both games would have different skilled players.
I've had games as a heavy where i would go 10-12
But other games where i've went 34-3.
The players you play against are what makes people seem better than they really are
Dedicated heavy, tanker, and pilot.
You could say i like heavy things.
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Aisha Ctarl
Scions of Athra
2130
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Posted - 2013.12.10 20:27:00 -
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Aesiron Kor-Azor wrote:Kira Lannister wrote:One question.
As a holy templar....how could you touch matari tech...
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Because I got bored of the SCR... And I love railguns...
Railguns are Caldari tech which are ok to use since the Caldari are our allies. The CR on the other hand is a gas operated, bullet flinging, piece of antiquated tech that the subhuman Matari improvised in an attempt to save their hides.
"The Wrath of God is Immense. His Justice is Swift and Decisive. His Tolerance is Limited."
-The Code of Demeanor
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mollerz
Minja Scouts
1247
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Posted - 2013.12.10 20:28:00 -
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Sounds like you fight mostly close range?
Not surprised this is coming up. everyone called it.
Nerf anything minmatar 
#shittycoding
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Forlorn Destrier
2253
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Posted - 2013.12.10 20:28:00 -
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Aesiron Kor-Azor wrote:So I decided to try out the two new weapons today, this is how I made my judgement relatively fair:
- both times I had only the rifle level 1 skill learned.
- I used the standard rifle of each.
- I used the same gear, Amarr Assault A/1 with two shield extenders, one armour extender and a repairer.
- I played both games in Amarr Factional Warfare, both games were full duration.
My K/D is 2.36 and W/L is 1.1.
And out came the results:
Rail Rifle - 5 kills, 6 deaths.
Combat Rifle - 21 kills, 4 deaths.
I haven't played Dust 514 for several weeks, and with no skill at all I popped out a very good result with the Combat Rifle... It is immensely overpowered and easy to use compared to the Rail Rifle. I am calling for a damage nerf. It seems that with about 4-5 bursts I can kill an enemy, whereas the Rail Rifle requires a much larger degree of skill to use.
You failed to mention a very important variable - were your opponents exactly the same people with exactly the same skills/suite/fittings each time?
One match with each is not a viable test.
Chivalry is not dead, but many who practiced it are.
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Aria Gomes
Death by Disassociation
Zero-Day
191
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Posted - 2013.12.10 20:28:00 -
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Or maybe you're really good with the combat rifle. All that finger tapping isn't easy. I got about the same amount of kills with both guns. I tapped the R1 a lot when I used the GLU so it's natural. I'm sure you did te same with the scrambler rifle or GLU)if you used it). |
RKKR
The Southern Legion
The Umbra Combine
511
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Posted - 2013.12.10 20:29:00 -
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It's funny because none ever complained about the MLT AR... |
low genius
The Sound Of Freedom
Renegade Alliance
987
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Posted - 2013.12.10 20:29:00 -
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does the op think that 2 matches is a good enough experience to make an educated decision? |
Malkai Inos
Onikanabo Brigade
Caldari State
1065
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Posted - 2013.12.10 20:30:00 -
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Two matches, two guns, right?
That makes the sample size per gun n=1.
Come back after 30+ matches each. Any single match could've gone either way just by chance.
You can take a benign object, -you can take a cheeseburger and deconstruct it to its source...
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N1ck Comeau
Ahrendee Mercenaries
EoN.
1600
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Posted - 2013.12.10 20:30:00 -
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low genius wrote:does the op think that 2 matches is a good enough experience to make an educated decision?
he must.
Dedicated heavy, tanker, and pilot.
You could say i like heavy things.
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Vyzion Eyri
The Southern Legion
The Umbra Combine
2204
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Posted - 2013.12.10 20:31:00 -
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Bloody Amarrians trying to get out gear nerfed by posting numbers.
"When nothing is going your way, go out of your way to do nothing."
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Protocake JR
Royal Uhlans
Amarr Empire
1079
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Posted - 2013.12.10 20:31:00 -
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So, according to the forums, the RR, the CR and the SR are all overpowered. Considering the fact that they are the most used weapons currently, and make up 75% of all rifles, wouldn't that just make the AR (plasma rifle) underpowered?
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Aesiron Kor-Azor
Amarr Templars
Amarr Empire
491
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Posted - 2013.12.10 20:32:00 -
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low genius wrote:does the op think that 2 matches is a good enough experience to make an educated decision?
Yes, judging by the huge difference in skill it takes to use either of them.
your mom
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DeeJay One
Guardian Solutions
DARKSTAR ARMY
141
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Posted - 2013.12.10 20:34:00 -
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Because you may have fought against armour tankers. IMHO more hits register in this build, and AR-s got about the same TTK against my old shield tank. |
True Adamance
Scions of Athra
4732
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Posted - 2013.12.10 20:35:00 -
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Kira Lannister wrote:One question.
As a holy templar....how could you touch matari tech...
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I do, would you criticise my efforts to expand the empires glory consider I have racked up probably more combined FW hours than most players in this game, save the dedicated FW players.
"All things were created by the Divine, and so the glory of our faith is inherent to us all"
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Aesiron Kor-Azor
Amarr Templars
Amarr Empire
491
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Posted - 2013.12.10 20:36:00 -
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DeeJay One wrote:Because you may have fought against armour tankers. IMHO more hits register in this build, and AR-s got about the same TTK against my old shield tank.
Seriously... it has literally got nothing to do with peoples' gear nowadays. It is about who sees who first and who is more skilled and who has what weapon. 30 more armour HP and 30 less shield HP would make a negligible difference n the time it takes.
your mom
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Aria Gomes
Death by Disassociation
Zero-Day
191
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Posted - 2013.12.10 20:36:00 -
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Protocake JR wrote:So, according to the forums, the RR, the CR and the SR are all overpowered. Considering the fact that they are the most used weapons currently, and make up 75% of all rifles, wouldn't that just make the AR (plasma rifle) underpowered?
I still got killed by a few lone GEKs and 1 Duvolle TAR. I think everyone is just trying out the new guns. Once FW gets more popular people will get their GEKs, Duvolles and whatever else Gallente stuff. They'll have to choose what weapons they really want the most. |
Maken Tosch
DUST University
Ivy League
5780
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Posted - 2013.12.10 20:37:00 -
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Aaaannd now comes the "nerf combat rifle" threads.
OK, CCP. When are knives finally going to be improved?
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Ghost Kaisar
THIRD EARTH INCORPORATED
Dark Taboo
1029
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Posted - 2013.12.10 20:39:00 -
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Malkai Inos wrote:Two matches, two guns, right?
That makes the sample size per gun n=1.
Come back after 30+ matches each. Any single match could've gone either way just by chance.
PFFF.
You think these guys understand that?
I'm surprised he didn't do the tests in Academy. Seems like that's how you "test" things in this game.
"All war is deception." "He who knows when he can fight and when he cannot, will be victorious" -Sun Tzu
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Jason Pearson
3239
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Posted - 2013.12.10 20:40:00 -
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Question, were you in the correct range for the RR, and I'm guessing you were close with the CR?
I've been watching the feeds and all rifles seem to be regularly appearing, RR and CR especially because "OMGNEWSTUFFS"
King of the Forums // Vehicle Specialist for Hire
Laugh at the idiots crying about four BPOs being removed erryday, lul
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Aesiron Kor-Azor
Amarr Templars
Amarr Empire
491
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Posted - 2013.12.10 20:40:00 -
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Ghost Kaisar wrote:Malkai Inos wrote:Two matches, two guns, right?
That makes the sample size per gun n=1.
Come back after 30+ matches each. Any single match could've gone either way just by chance. PFFF. You think these guys understand that? I'm surprised he didn't do the tests in Academy. Seems like that's how you "test" things in this game.
This was my first impression, the purpose of the test was to see how easily I could use it with no experience with it at all... and it seems as if the Combat Rifle is much easier to use. Whether it is better when used properly is a completely different matter.
your mom
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Fizzer94
L.O.T.I.S.
Public Disorder.
1167
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Posted - 2013.12.10 20:43:00 -
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Protocake JR wrote:So, according to the forums, the RR, the CR and the SR are all overpowered. Considering the fact that they are the most used weapons currently, and make up 75% of all rifles, wouldn't that just make the AR (plasma rifle) underpowered?
Honestly, all the racial rifles are OP. They need their DPS cut by about 12.5-15% methinks.
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The Plasma Cannon is not underpowered
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Malkai Inos
Onikanabo Brigade
Caldari State
1065
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Posted - 2013.12.10 20:47:00 -
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Aesiron Kor-Azor wrote:Ghost Kaisar wrote:Malkai Inos wrote:Two matches, two guns, right?
That makes the sample size per gun n=1.
Come back after 30+ matches each. Any single match could've gone either way just by chance. PFFF. You think these guys understand that? I'm surprised he didn't do the tests in Academy. Seems like that's how you "test" things in this game. This was my first impression, the purpose of the test was to see how easily I could use it with no experience with it at all... and it seems as if the Combat Rifle is much easier to use. Whether it is better when used properly is a completely different matter. Your thread title is "Combat Rifle - Overpowered" and you are literally calling for a damage nerf in your closing statement (before backpedaling edit).
Your "first impression" OP does a terrible job at not looking like a kneejerk "X Overpowered. Nerf X" OP (again, before backpedaling edit).
You can take a benign object, -you can take a cheeseburger and deconstruct it to its source...
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Tectonic Fusion
692
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Posted - 2013.12.10 20:52:00 -
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You guys are making me jealous you can play Dust right now. STAHP!!!!!!!
Solo Player
Squad status: Locked
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Johnny Guilt
Algintal Core
374
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Posted - 2013.12.10 20:52:00 -
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you know it's bugged?
A strange game.
The only winning move is
not to play.
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Meeko Fent
Commando Perkone
Caldari State
1706
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Posted - 2013.12.10 20:59:00 -
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Perhaps your just good with the things.
F we went off one persons results, then we should nerf the breach ScP cause I can get like 3 insta kills with Headshots.
DUST is a half decent game.
Be happy its free.
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Aesiron Kor-Azor
Amarr Templars
Amarr Empire
491
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Posted - 2013.12.10 21:00:00 -
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Malkai Inos wrote:Aesiron Kor-Azor wrote:Ghost Kaisar wrote:Malkai Inos wrote:Two matches, two guns, right?
That makes the sample size per gun n=1.
Come back after 30+ matches each. Any single match could've gone either way just by chance. PFFF. You think these guys understand that? I'm surprised he didn't do the tests in Academy. Seems like that's how you "test" things in this game. This was my first impression, the purpose of the test was to see how easily I could use it with no experience with it at all... and it seems as if the Combat Rifle is much easier to use. Whether it is better when used properly is a completely different matter. Your thread title is "Combat Rifle - Overpowered" and you are literally calling for a damage nerf in your closing statement (before backpedaling edit). Your "first impression" OP does a terrible job at not looking like a kneejerk "X Overpowered. Nerf X" OP (again, before backpedaling edit).
How is my first impression doing 'a terrible job'? It tells me that the Combat Rifle can be picked up and used to an absurd extent instantaneously, whereas the Rail Rifle cannot. Therefore, the CR is overpowering.
your mom
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Phazoid
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
DARKSTAR ARMY
133
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Posted - 2013.12.10 21:02:00 -
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why no one post a video about it?, we need proof, evidence
Ib'tuur jatne tuur ash'ad kyr'amur (Today is a good day for someone else to die).
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