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Freshticles DIOS EX. Top Men. 321	Posted - 2013.12.08 15:20:00 - [1] - Quote Now it seems peculiar to not talk about such a subject, even though the CPM have asked you about this. If its not in the works already it won't be because 1.7 is too close, but it would be nice to know where we stand. Also, remember when everyone could apply for a respec because of the minor infantry changes? Everyone seems to be keeping that one quiet. Level 9001 Forum Wizard
M McManus 330	Posted - 2013.12.08 15:26:00 - [2] - Quote You think Devs care what us players think ? Trust in your CCP buy more boosters especially the new FW boosters buy them like a good lil consumer and everything will be ok, don't worry about, Respec TTK Slayer logis Scouts Heavies PC Lag Suit role/diversity Buy Aurum today to support your CCP!!
gravalicious Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 3	Posted - 2013.12.08 15:27:00 - [3] - Quote Freshticles wrote: Now it seems peculiar to not talk about such a subject, even though the CPM have asked you about this. If its not in the works already it won't be because 1.7 is too close, but it would be nice to know where we stand. Also, remember when everyone could apply for a respec because of the minor infantry changes? Everyone seems to be keeping that one quiet. Shhhh. Don't worry about a thing. Shhhhhhhhh.
Bendtner92 Imperfects Negative-Feedback 1414	Posted - 2013.12.08 15:45:00 - [4] - Quote Yeah I like how they haven't justified why they're only doing a vehicle respec. Although that is only because they can't justify it. They're letting pilots skill out of vehicles, but not infantry into vehicles. Sounds really legit. Changes are major enough for pilots to get a second chance to decide to skill into vehicles or not, that's fine, however since the changes are this major infantry should get the same chance. How could people know what vehicles would be like in 1.7 when they spent their SP? If people say infantry shouldn't be able to skill into vehicles, then don't allow pilots to skill out of vehicles either. It's that simple. Winner of the EU Squad Cup & the closed beta Tester's Tournament. Go Go Power Rangers!
low genius The Sound Of Freedom Renegade Alliance 971	Posted - 2013.12.08 15:53:00 - [5] - Quote the devs have answered several times. ccp doesn't do respecs. zipper does.
Thorn Badblood Dust2Dust. Top Men. 87	Posted - 2013.12.08 15:55:00 - [6] - Quote I would love a respec, but am not planning on ever getting one. D2D. A Non-Prophet Organization
Bendtner92 Imperfects Negative-Feedback 1415	Posted - 2013.12.08 15:58:00 - [7] - Quote low genius wrote: the devs have answered several times. ccp doesn't do respecs. zipper does. Funnily enough this isn't even about being for or against respecs, it's about giving everyone the same options and treatment. Remember when they made these skill tree changes and gave everyone a (optional) full respec? I don't see any difference in this situation. Winner of the EU Squad Cup & the closed beta Tester's Tournament. Go Go Power Rangers!
Roger Cordill The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 160	Posted - 2013.12.08 16:00:00 - [8] - Quote Message from Godin: Stop being such self-entitled pricks and be lucky they aren't resetting you for being dicks to them all the time........
Smooth Assassin Stardust incorporation 425	Posted - 2013.12.08 16:02:00 - [9] - Quote WTF are they afraid of? *Assassination is my thing.*
Roger Cordill The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 160	Posted - 2013.12.08 16:02:00 - [10] - Quote Bendtner92 wrote: low genius wrote: the devs have answered several times. ccp doesn't do respecs. zipper does. Funnily enough this isn't even about being for or against respecs, it's about giving everyone the same options and treatment. Remember when they made these skill tree changes and gave everyone a (optional) full respec? I don't see any difference in this situation. Message from Godin: So a complete redo of the skill tree, not just a reduced skill level change, plus a complete overhaul of said vehicles, and you don't see the difference? Riiight

Bendtner92 Imperfects Negative-Feedback 1415	Posted - 2013.12.08 16:03:00 - [11] - Quote Roger Cordill wrote: Message from Godin: Stop being such self-entitled pricks and be lucky they aren't resetting you for being dicks to them all the time........ Self-entitled? For trying to give equal options and treatment to everybody instead of some people getting advantages? More like CCP being dicks to their players. Winner of the EU Squad Cup & the closed beta Tester's Tournament. Go Go Power Rangers!
Bendtner92 Imperfects Negative-Feedback 1415	Posted - 2013.12.08 16:04:00 - [12] - Quote Roger Cordill wrote: Message from Godin: So a complete redo of the skill tree, not just a reduced skill level change, plus a complete overhaul of said vehicles, and you don't see the difference? Riiight So you missed my post about infantry should get the chance to skill into the heavily changed vehicles just as pilots get the chance to skill out of the heavily changed vehicles? Winner of the EU Squad Cup & the closed beta Tester's Tournament. Go Go Power Rangers!
Harpyja DUST University Ivy League 879	Posted - 2013.12.08 16:09:00 - [13] - Quote The problem I see with giving everyone a respec is that a lot of players would abuse it. Only those that deserve a respec are vehicle pilots that will remain vehicle pilots and infantry that want to become vehicle pilots. But of course, nobody can prove that they fall under either of these two categories. A lot of infantry players would use this respec to either skill into the new FOTM or further improve their skills because they made a mistake with a skill or two. In the first case, it's not healthy for players to spec into the FOTM and in the latter case, their decisions to skill up an unnecessary skill would not be consequential. This respec for vehicle skills only is not perfect, but it won't be as disastrous as if everyone were given a respec. There's just no way to differentiate between those that need a respec and those that will abuse it to their own advantage. There's a lot more infantry than pilots, and pilots skilling out of vehicles into the new FOTM won't be as terrible as allowing everyone to skill into the new FOTM. Of course the best option is to allow this respec to be applied back to vehicle skills only, but I'm not sure if it's within CCP's ability to do so just yet. "By His light, and His will" - The Scriptures, Gheinok the First, 12:32
Roger Cordill The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 160	Posted - 2013.12.08 16:15:00 - [14] - Quote Bendtner92 wrote: Roger Cordill wrote: Message from Godin: So a complete redo of the skill tree, not just a reduced skill level change, plus a complete overhaul of said vehicles, and you don't see the difference? Riiight So you missed my post about infantry should get the chance to skill into the heavily changed vehicles just as pilots get the chance to skill out of the heavily changed vehicles? Well, most infantry didn't have to suffer for 6 months straight, and most infantry wouldn't want to be pilots in the first place. And if they did, they would've skilled into it. Plus, It's not like we have a choice; many of the skills inside of the vehicle skill trees are either getting removed, or getting completely changed, so We needed to get a respec, or lose SP due to said skills being removed, or skills completely changing due to said changes. Like I said, stop being self-entitled pricks, and stop asking.
Bendtner92 Imperfects Negative-Feedback 1415	Posted - 2013.12.08 16:15:00 - [15] - Quote Harpyja wrote: The problem I see with giving everyone a respec is that a lot of players would abuse it. Only those that deserve a respec are vehicle pilots that will remain vehicle pilots and infantry that want to become vehicle pilots. But of course, nobody can prove that they fall under either of these two categories. A lot of infantry players would use this respec to either skill into the new FOTM or further improve their skills because they made a mistake with a skill or two. In the first case, it's not healthy for players to spec into the FOTM and in the latter case, their decisions to skill up an unnecessary skill would not be consequential. This respec for vehicle skills only is not perfect, but it won't be as disastrous as if everyone were given a respec. There's just no way to differentiate between those that need a respec and those that will abuse it to their own advantage. There's a lot more infantry than pilots, and pilots skilling out of vehicles into the new FOTM won't be as terrible as allowing everyone to skill into the new FOTM. Reasonable arguments, thank you for that. FOTM: Perhaps CCP should get better at balancing, so we wouldn't have this probem? Also this comes back to my post about how this vehicle respec gives advantages to pilots, why should pilots be able to skill into FOTM, but not infantry as well? CCP should be treating all of their players fairly, and a vehicle respec won't do that. Players getting to re-do mistakes: Again, why should pilots get to spend their SP (in infantry skills) based on the current situation, while infantry can't? Again, this is an unfair advantage to pilots. CCP HAS to do a full respec unless they're forcing the refunded SP to be used where it came from (I don't support this option). Winner of the EU Squad Cup & the closed beta Tester's Tournament. Go Go Power Rangers!
Bendtner92 Imperfects Negative-Feedback 1415	Posted - 2013.12.08 16:19:00 - [16] - Quote Roger Cordill wrote: Well, most infantry didn't have to suffer for 6 months straight, and most infantry wouldn't want to be pilots in the first place. And if they did, they would've skilled into it. Plus, It's not like we have a choice; many of the skills inside of the vehicle skill trees are either getting removed, or getting completely changed, so We needed to get a respec, or lose SP due to said skills being removed, or skills completely changing due to said changes. Like I said, stop being self-entitled pricks, and stop asking. Pilots chose to be pilots, so why can they now skill into infantry when infantry can't skill into vehicles? Edit: Pilots suffered for 6 months? Me looks at Scouts and Heavies? Edit 2: Also, who's really the self-entitled prick? The one that cares about equal options and treatment for everyone or the one that doesn't? Just asking. Winner of the EU Squad Cup & the closed beta Tester's Tournament. Go Go Power Rangers!
Aikuchi Tomaru Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 1154	Posted - 2013.12.08 16:24:00 - [17] - Quote M McManus wrote: You think Devs care what us players think ? Trust in your CCP buy more boosters especially the new FW boosters buy them like a good lil consumer and everything will be ok, don't worry about, They do care what we think. But in case you didn't notice: Not everybody is in favor of a respec. There are at least as many people who are against it as there are people who want one. Then there are the ones who just don't care. And then there is the point that the last skill respec was because the game got officially released. And the point that you get SP all the time and instead of QQing you can just wait a few weeks. And we all know how it would end up anyways: You give one more respec and you think it would stop then? No. The next nerf comes, people want another respec. The next buff comes and people want another respec. CCP wouldn't do anything else than giving out respecs and people wouldn't think about what they are skilling. So just deal with it, save up some SP and skill what you want now. It isn't even a big deal. You can get the most needed skills to advanced level in a month. This is the game. You can spec everything without exceptions on the same char. It's about thinking what you want next. Not about speccing one thing to proto level and then lose interest in it and go over to the next thing.
Roger Cordill The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 160	Posted - 2013.12.08 16:25:00 - [18] - Quote Bendtner92 wrote: Roger Cordill wrote: Well, most infantry didn't have to suffer for 6 months straight, and most infantry wouldn't want to be pilots in the first place. And if they did, they would've skilled into it. Plus, It's not like we have a choice; many of the skills inside of the vehicle skill trees are either getting removed, or getting completely changed, so We needed to get a respec, or lose SP due to said skills being removed, or skills completely changing due to said changes. Like I said, stop being self-entitled pricks, and stop asking. Pilots chose to be pilots, so why can they now skill into infantry when infantry can't skill into vehicles? Edit: Pilots suffered for 6 months? Me looks at Scouts and Heavies? CCP saying sorry for ***** us over for 6 months, and because they can't lock SP into a specific tree? Also, yes, Light and Heavies have it bad, but they can still profit, and quite easily too, even if they die. YOU CAN"T IN A VEHICLE**.
Bendtner92 Imperfects Negative-Feedback 1415	Posted - 2013.12.08 16:26:00 - [19] - Quote Aikuchi Tomaru wrote: They do care what we think. But in case you didn't notice: Not everybody is in favor of a respec. There are at least as many people who are against it as there are people who want one. Then there are the ones who just don't care. And then there is the point that the last skill respec was because the game got officially released. And the point that you get SP all the time and instead of QQing you can just wait a few weeks. Read my earlier post where I said: "Funnily enough this isn't even about being for or against respecs, it's about giving everyone the same options and treatment." Pilots can skill out of vehicles, but infantry can't skill into vehicles. That's unfair treatment and has nothing to do with the usual for or against respecs arguments. Winner of the EU Squad Cup & the closed beta Tester's Tournament. Go Go Power Rangers!
Aikuchi Tomaru Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 1154	Posted - 2013.12.08 16:29:00 - [20] - Quote Bendtner92 wrote: Aikuchi Tomaru wrote: They do care what we think. But in case you didn't notice: Not everybody is in favor of a respec. There are at least as many people who are against it as there are people who want one. Then there are the ones who just don't care. And then there is the point that the last skill respec was because the game got officially released. And the point that you get SP all the time and instead of QQing you can just wait a few weeks. Read my earlier post where I said: "Funnily enough this isn't even about being for or against respecs, it's about giving everyone the same options and treatment." Pilots can skill out of vehicles, but infantry can't skill into vehicles. That's unfair treatment and has nothing to do with the usual for or against respecs arguments. Pilots can skill out of vehicles because the whole vehicle tree was changed. They didn't have another choice because some of the old skills don't even exist anymore. That wouldn't translate to 1.7 without a respec. And well: Everybody still has the same options. You can, even as an infantrist, just wait a few weeks and spend your next SP into vehicles. Nothing is stopping you from doing this. Why do you think you should instantly be able to spec the whole vehicle tree to level 5 even though you only played as an infantrist so far? You wouldn't even profit from that because you would blow up more often because you don't even know how to use vehicles yet.

Reav Hannari Red Rock Outriders 2150	Posted - 2013.12.08 16:32:00 - [21] - Quote Freshticles wrote: Now it seems peculiar to not talk about such a subject, even though the CPM have asked you about this. If its not in the works already it won't be because 1.7 is too close, but it would be nice to know where we stand. Also, remember when everyone could apply for a respec because of the minor infantry changes? Everyone seems to be keeping that one quiet. The respec you could apply for was due to confusion over the transition from beta to quell some of the whining. It came with the notification that it was the last full respec. Only partial refunds would happen if skill tree changes required it. CCP has announced the only planned skill refund so I have no idea what else you are waiting for. // Adapt or Die // Matari Logistics / Scout / Dropship Crash Tester // @ReesNoturana
Bendtner92 Imperfects Negative-Feedback 1415	Posted - 2013.12.08 16:32:00 - [22] - Quote Aikuchi Tomaru wrote: Pilots can skill out of vehicles because the whole vehicle tree was changed. They didn't have another choice because some of the old skills don't even exist anymore. That wouldn't translate to 1.7 without a respec. And well: Everybody still has the same options. You can, even as an infantrist, just wait a few weeks and spend your next SP into vehicles. Nothing is stopping you from doing this. Why do you think you should instantly be able to spec the whole vehicle tree to level 5 even though you only played as an infantrist so far? Because pilots can go all infantry? How should infantry have known what vehicles would be like in 1.7 months ago when they skilled into infantry? Winner of the EU Squad Cup & the closed beta Tester's Tournament. Go Go Power Rangers!
Roger Cordill The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 161	Posted - 2013.12.08 16:38:00 - [23] - Quote Bendtner92 wrote: Aikuchi Tomaru wrote: They do care what we think. But in case you didn't notice: Not everybody is in favor of a respec. There are at least as many people who are against it as there are people who want one. Then there are the ones who just don't care. And then there is the point that the last skill respec was because the game got officially released. And the point that you get SP all the time and instead of QQing you can just wait a few weeks. Read my earlier post where I said: "Funnily enough this isn't even about being for or against respecs, it's about giving everyone the same options and treatment." Pilots can't skill out of vehicles, but infantry can't skill into vehicles. That's unfair treatment and has nothing to do with the usual for or against respecs arguments. Message from Godin: Look, it's already been decided. You're not getting one, nor is any other infantry player. It doesn't matter what you say, they're not giving you one. And seeing this, if you skilled mostly into medium frames (seeing how you're acting, I'm assuming so), then you're not getting one when they bring in the racial Light Frames and Heavy Frames. The only time you'll probably get one is when tiercide happens in the year 2020. Just stop asking........
Roger Cordill The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 162	Posted - 2013.12.08 16:42:00 - [24] - Quote Bendtner92 wrote: Aikuchi Tomaru wrote: Pilots can skill out of vehicles because the whole vehicle tree was changed. They didn't have another choice because some of the old skills don't even exist anymore. That wouldn't translate to 1.7 without a respec. And well: Everybody still has the same options. You can, even as an infantrist, just wait a few weeks and spend your next SP into vehicles. Nothing is stopping you from doing this. Why do you think you should instantly be able to spec the whole vehicle tree to level 5 even though you only played as an infantrist so far? Because pilots can go all infantry? How should infantry have known what vehicles would be like in 1.7 months ago when they skilled into infantry? Message from Godin: What does it matter what they'll be like a couple months, a day, or years later? If you like being something, you should do it, not because it's the best thing to do. That's just being a FOTMer, and CCP is trying to prevent that practice by doing this. And that's their choice for going infantry. Think of it as a reward for being tortured for months on end.
Bendtner92 Imperfects Negative-Feedback 1415	Posted - 2013.12.08 16:44:00 - [25] - Quote Roger Cordill wrote: Message from Godin: Look, it's already been decided. You're not getting one, nor is any other infantry player. It doesn't matter what you say, they're not giving you one. And seeing this, if you skilled mostly into medium frames (seeing how you're acting, I'm assuming so), then you're not getting one when they bring in the racial Light Frames and Heavy Frames. The only time you'll probably get one is when tiercide happens in the year 2020. Just stop asking........ I don't know why people always feel the need to make assumptions, especially not when I'm just trying to get equal options and treatment for everyone. If you really want to know though, I can say that I'm getting about 2.5 million SP refunded from vehicles that I chose to skill into months ago. I don't think it's fair I get to pump that into infantry when they can't go the other way. I'm also more than satisfied with my infantry SP, which is mostly in medium suits yes, but I also recently skilled a bit into Scouts (which I don't regret). I also didn't skill into any FOTM, I have 0 SP in Caldari Logi for example. Winner of the EU Squad Cup & the closed beta Tester's Tournament. Go Go Power Rangers!
Roger Cordill The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 163	Posted - 2013.12.08 16:54:00 - [26] - Quote Bendtner92 wrote: Roger Cordill wrote: Message from Godin: Look, it's already been decided. You're not getting one, nor is any other infantry player. It doesn't matter what you say, they're not giving you one. And seeing this, if you skilled mostly into medium frames (seeing how you're acting, I'm assuming so), then you're not getting one when they bring in the racial Light Frames and Heavy Frames. The only time you'll probably get one is when tiercide happens in the year 2020. Just stop asking........ I don't know why people always feel the need to make assumptions, especially not when I'm just trying to get equal options and treatment for everyone. If you really want to know though, I can say that I'm getting about 2.5 million SP refunded from vehicles that I chose to skill into months ago. I don't think it's fair I get to pump that into infantry when they can't go the other way. I'm also more than satisfied with my infantry SP, which is mostly in medium suits yes, but I also recently skilled a bit into Scouts (which I don't regret). I also didn't skill into any FOTM, I have 0 SP in Caldari Logi for example. I'm a pilot as a main, and still has more SP in infantry than you have in vehicles. 2.5 mil is nothing; that's chump change. I'm getting back a good 17 mil SP. Plus, there's way more FOTM's than the Callogi. Skilling a bit into something and saying that you don't follow the FOTM is just like saying I killed someone but gave a kid some candy so it's okay. Just stop. /thread
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 1849	Posted - 2013.12.08 17:01:00 - [27] - Quote Its not gonna happen Too late for any kind of response tbh
Bethhy Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 420	Posted - 2013.12.08 17:09:00 - [28] - Quote Bendtner92 wrote: low genius wrote: the devs have answered several times. ccp doesn't do respecs. zipper does. Funnily enough this isn't even about being for or against respecs, it's about giving everyone the same options and treatment. Remember when they made these skill tree changes and gave everyone a (optional) full respec? I don't see any difference in this situation. Everyone had basic Proto suit's then because you had to. This wasn't an optional choice to go into a specific weapon or FOTM. This wass a forced choice by CCP to make everyone spend over 1 million skill point's on a skill point sink for something no one could escape from leveling into. It was a respec for 99% of the people who where affected. A respec now would cater to a very small percentage of people that would even "need" it.
Bendtner92 Imperfects Negative-Feedback 1415	Posted - 2013.12.08 17:12:00 - [29] - Quote Bethhy wrote: Everyone had basic Proto suit's then because you had to. This wasn't an optional choice to go into a specific weapon or FOTM. This wass a forced choice by CCP to make everyone spend over 1 million skill point's on a skill point sink for something no one could escape from leveling into. It was a respec for 99% of the people who where affected. A respec now would cater to a very small percentage of people that would even "need" it. Refunding the SP used for level 4 and 5 is what CCP would usually do in that situation. Winner of the EU Squad Cup & the closed beta Tester's Tournament. Go Go Power Rangers!
Bethhy Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 420	Posted - 2013.12.08 17:24:00 - [30] - Quote Bendtner92 wrote: Bethhy wrote: Everyone had basic Proto suit's then because you had to. This wasn't an optional choice to go into a specific weapon or FOTM. This wass a forced choice by CCP to make everyone spend over 1 million skill point's on a skill point sink for something no one could escape from leveling into. It was a respec for 99% of the people who where affected. A respec now would cater to a very small percentage of people that would even "need" it. Refunding the SP used for level 4 and 5 is what CCP would usually do in that situation. They can't delete two levels of the skill directly off everyone's account. They reimbursed the SP when they changed the multiplyer from 6x to 3x or something like CCP has done for 10+_ years in EVE online. But as far as taking 2 lvl's of the skill off of 99% of the people that came from open beta... Would of taken crazy amount's of time.

Lanius Pulvis Kinsho Swords Caldari State 103	Posted - 2013.12.08 17:44:00 - [31] - Quote Bendtner92 wrote: FOTM: Perhaps CCP should get better at balancing, so we wouldn't have this probem? Also this comes back to my post about how this vehicle respec gives advantages to pilots, why should pilots be able to skill into FOTM, but not infantry as well? CCP should be treating all of their players fairly, and a vehicle respec won't do that. Players getting to re-do mistakes: Again, why should pilots get to spend their SP (in infantry skills) based on the current situation, while infantry can't? Again, this is an unfair advantage to pilots. CCP HAS to do a full respec unless they're forcing the refunded SP to be used where it came from (I don't support this option). This argument falls apart soon as you start talking about player mistakes. This isn't a case of pilots spending SP without forethought and then crying about it til they get a respec. If it was I'd just say HTFU. This respec is because CCP apparently created skills without forethought and is now trying to rectify that by removing some of the skills we've already invested in. Not offering this respec would be akin to not refunding Aurum when they remove BPOs. Poorly spent SP should have consequences, I agree, I have a few skills I wish I could go back and undo. I personally intend to invest that SP right back into DS; but vehicles are becoming even more of an SP sink, what do you think most pilots would do if they found out, not only do you not get refunded SP, but now you have to invest in these skills in order to even use the ones we didn't change. Not new, just new to you.
maffi9 OUT FOR BLOOD. Public Disorder. 4	Posted - 2013.12.08 17:54:00 - [32] - Quote The reason I would like a respec is because I have well over 1 mill sp in assault rifle that I would love to put into a gun we knew nothing about when I started, the combat rifle. Of corse I don't expect a respec so I will resentfully ignore my proficiency 5 AR to grind my way up to a better combat rifle. So I put my signature here?
Bendtner92 Imperfects Negative-Feedback 1419	Posted - 2013.12.08 21:14:00 - [33] - Quote Lanius Pulvis wrote: This argument falls apart soon as you start talking about player mistakes. This isn't a case of pilots spending SP without forethought and then crying about it til they get a respec. If it was I'd just say HTFU. This respec is because CCP apparently created skills without forethought and is now trying to rectify that by removing some of the skills we've already invested in Ehm, I've never said anything about pilots shouldn't get a respec. I'm saying that unless everyone else get a respec as well, pilots will be getting unfair advantages. It's not about infantry wanting a respec because they messed up their skills. It's about getting a respec so that infantry has a chance and a choice (not neccesarily taking it) to skill into vehicles, just as pilots have the chance and choice to skill out of vehicles. Winner of the EU Squad Cup & the closed beta Tester's Tournament. Go Go Power Rangers!
Mobius Wyvern Guardian Solutions DARKSTAR ARMY 4023	Posted - 2013.12.08 21:24:00 - [34] - Quote Bendtner92 wrote: Yeah I like how they haven't justified why they're only doing a vehicle respec. Although that is only because they can't justify it. They're letting pilots skill out of vehicles, but not infantry into vehicles. Sounds really legit. Changes are major enough for pilots to get a second chance to decide to skill into vehicles or not, that's fine, however since the changes are this major infantry should get the same chance. How could people know what vehicles would be like in 1.7 when they spent their SP? If people say infantry shouldn't be able to skill into vehicles, then don't allow pilots to skill out of vehicles either. It's that simple. Yeah, so maybe they plan to redo infantry and then offer them the same deal in 1.8 or 1.9? In that case, there'd be no issue. Amidst the blue skies A link from past to future The sheltering wings of the protector
Bendtner92 Imperfects Negative-Feedback 1419	Posted - 2013.12.08 21:27:00 - [35] - Quote Mobius Wyvern wrote: Yeah, so maybe they plan to redo infantry and then offer them the same deal in 1.8 or 1.9? In that case, there'd be no issue. There is no plan to redo infantry, not for the foreseeable future at least, plus it took them what, 4 months to redo vehicles? I'm sure it would take more than that to redo infantry completely then. Also then we'd just be back at the same issue as infantry then would get unfair advantages over pilots... Winner of the EU Squad Cup & the closed beta Tester's Tournament. Go Go Power Rangers!
Phazoid The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 118	Posted - 2013.12.08 22:47:00 - [36] - Quote and scouts and heavies are stuck being raped by skill-less med frames AR scrubs just because CCP doesnt cares at all about feedback, they just care about people buying aurum, if a dev reads this, PROVE ME WRONG, i have 3 words for ya "scouts and heavies" Me and my inner demons stopped fighting......We are on the same side now...
Roger Cordill The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 181	Posted - 2013.12.08 23:34:00 - [37] - Quote Bendtner92 wrote: Mobius Wyvern wrote: Yeah, so maybe they plan to redo infantry and then offer them the same deal in 1.8 or 1.9? In that case, there'd be no issue. There is no plan to redo infantry, not for the foreseeable future at least, plus it took them what, 4 months to redo vehicles? I'm sure it would take more than that to redo infantry completely then. Also then we'd just be back at the same issue as infantry then would get unfair advantages over pilots... Message from Godin: They're still not done tierciding the ships and modules in EVE. BUt in Dust, half of it is already done (vehicles). All we have to do is tiercide infantry. EDIT: Wait, you're still droning on about this ****? LOL
RedBleach LeSanglant Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 480	Posted - 2013.12.12 21:08:00 - [38] - Quote CCP still needs vehicle data. Until there are enough players experimenting with builds and battles where they are used and destroyed all that can be done is guess at what may happen and hold the building and release of new vehicles until later. I prefer to still look at this game as a beta, it is still in testing, and until every standard range of items are out, and the skill tree reworked, I don't see this respec happening - even though both sides have their valid arguments for or against it. Regardless, even after it all comes out there will still be new releases, new skills, and more tweaks and fixes to the game. All that is wanted is for CCP to draw a line in the sand, as they did with uprising (though it failed), for when things will be coming out and the respec that is to come with it. I know that CCP says that it has, but many still view it as a beta and an incomplete game so we don't really believe it when CCP has said "no more" to respecs because of the grand problems in the past. Thus we continue to demand a respec and it gets continually denied for the general population. Give it time, I still think it will happen.
The Attorney General 1616	Posted - 2013.12.12 21:16:00 - [39] - Quote Bendtner92 wrote: Lanius Pulvis wrote: This argument falls apart soon as you start talking about player mistakes. This isn't a case of pilots spending SP without forethought and then crying about it til they get a respec. If it was I'd just say HTFU. This respec is because CCP apparently created skills without forethought and is now trying to rectify that by removing some of the skills we've already invested in Ehm, I've never said anything about pilots shouldn't get a respec. I'm saying that unless everyone else get a respec as well, pilots will be getting unfair advantages. It's not about infantry wanting a respec because they messed up their skills. It's about getting a respec so that infantry has a chance and a choice (not neccesarily taking it) to skill into vehicles, just as pilots have the chance and choice to skill out of vehicles. You already had a choice to spec into vehicles. It was called Uprising. Remember those two respecs? Yeah, those were your chance to go into vehicles. Oh, you didn't want to use vehicles then because they were bad? Oh, well those of us who wanted to use vehicles because they are vehicles toughed it out, and invested our SP, and paid through the nose for the luxury of being vehicle users. Meanwhile infantry was able to run cheap suits, stack lots of ISK, and punish those who specced into vehicles. Now that the pendulum has moved from AV overpowering tanks to something more balanced, infantry wants to get the benefits without having paid the costs. Personally, I hope they do it, everyone gets all stupid with their SP and then CCP nerfs the tanks to hell and back. Would teach people to not spec FotM. And it wouldn't affect me, because I would just put this toon to sleep until they fixed the tanks next year. Mr. Hybrid Vayu.
Krom Ganesh Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 879	Posted - 2013.12.12 21:19:00 - [40] - Quote CCP isn't going to talk about a respec until they actually decide they are going to do one. If they talk about it with the community, the community will assume they are getting and get angry if they don't. !

BMSTUBBY KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 474	Posted - 2013.12.12 21:19:00 - [41] - Quote - It may be too much, but we will keep a close eye on it. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1600092#post1600092 Meh, F2P Lobby Shooter. Working as intended.
Jadd Hatchen Psygod9 D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 224	Posted - 2013.12.12 21:24:00 - [42] - Quote Freshticles wrote: Now it seems peculiar to not talk about such a subject, even though the CPM have asked you about this. If its not in the works already it won't be because 1.7 is too close, but it would be nice to know where we stand. Also, remember when everyone could apply for a respec because of the minor infantry changes? Everyone seems to be keeping that one quiet. Please go here and post your thought to support or not the idea: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=118583&find=unread
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 4154	Posted - 2013.12.12 21:32:00 - [43] - Quote Freshticles wrote: Now it seems peculiar to not talk about such a subject, even though the CPM have asked you about this. If its not in the works already it won't be because 1.7 is too close, but it would be nice to know where we stand. Also, remember when everyone could apply for a respec because of the minor infantry changes? Everyone seems to be keeping that one quiet. You mean the "minor" infantry changes where several core skills had completely different passives from what the description said they gave, or had passive benefits in the description which weren't really there? Pretty sure there was a legitimate reason to let people re-allocate their skills after blatantly lying about what their SP had poured into.
Freshticles DIOS EX. 329	Posted - 2013.12.12 21:34:00 - [44] - Quote Garrett Blacknova wrote: Freshticles wrote: Now it seems peculiar to not talk about such a subject, even though the CPM have asked you about this. If its not in the works already it won't be because 1.7 is too close, but it would be nice to know where we stand. Also, remember when everyone could apply for a respec because of the minor infantry changes? Everyone seems to be keeping that one quiet. You mean the "minor" infantry changes where several core skills had completely different passives from what the description said they gave, or had passive benefits in the description which weren't really there? Pretty sure there was a legitimate reason to let people re-allocate their skills after blatantly lying about what their SP had poured into. Yes, but it was a full respec nonetheless even if you didn't have the skills affected. Level 9001 Forum Wizard


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