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Lanius Pulvis
Kinsho Swords Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.12.08 17:44:00 -
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Bendtner92 wrote: FOTM: Perhaps CCP should get better at balancing, so we wouldn't have this probem? Also this comes back to my post about how this vehicle respec gives advantages to pilots, why should pilots be able to skill into FOTM, but not infantry as well? CCP should be treating all of their players fairly, and a vehicle respec won't do that.
Players getting to re-do mistakes: Again, why should pilots get to spend their SP (in infantry skills) based on the current situation, while infantry can't? Again, this is an unfair advantage to pilots.
CCP HAS to do a full respec unless they're forcing the refunded SP to be used where it came from (I don't support this option).
This argument falls apart soon as you start talking about player mistakes. This isn't a case of pilots spending SP without forethought and then crying about it til they get a respec. If it was I'd just say HTFU. This respec is because CCP apparently created skills without forethought and is now trying to rectify that by removing some of the skills we've already invested in.
Not offering this respec would be akin to not refunding Aurum when they remove BPOs. Poorly spent SP should have consequences, I agree, I have a few skills I wish I could go back and undo. I personally intend to invest that SP right back into DS; but vehicles are becoming even more of an SP sink, what do you think most pilots would do if they found out, not only do you not get refunded SP, but now you have to invest in these skills in order to even use the ones we didn't change.
Not new, just new to you.
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maffi9
OUT FOR BLOOD. Public Disorder.
4
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Posted - 2013.12.08 17:54:00 -
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The reason I would like a respec is because I have well over 1 mill sp in assault rifle that I would love to put into a gun we knew nothing about when I started, the combat rifle. Of corse I don't expect a respec so I will resentfully ignore my proficiency 5 AR to grind my way up to a better combat rifle.
So I put my signature here?
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Bendtner92
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
1419
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Posted - 2013.12.08 21:14:00 -
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Lanius Pulvis wrote: This argument falls apart soon as you start talking about player mistakes. This isn't a case of pilots spending SP without forethought and then crying about it til they get a respec. If it was I'd just say HTFU. This respec is because CCP apparently created skills without forethought and is now trying to rectify that by removing some of the skills we've already invested in
Ehm, I've never said anything about pilots shouldn't get a respec. I'm saying that unless everyone else get a respec as well, pilots will be getting unfair advantages.
It's not about infantry wanting a respec because they messed up their skills. It's about getting a respec so that infantry has a chance and a choice (not neccesarily taking it) to skill into vehicles, just as pilots have the chance and choice to skill out of vehicles.
Winner of the EU Squad Cup & the closed beta Tester's Tournament.
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Mobius Wyvern
Guardian Solutions DARKSTAR ARMY
4023
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Posted - 2013.12.08 21:24:00 -
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Bendtner92 wrote:Yeah I like how they haven't justified why they're only doing a vehicle respec. Although that is only because they can't justify it.
They're letting pilots skill out of vehicles, but not infantry into vehicles. Sounds really legit.
Changes are major enough for pilots to get a second chance to decide to skill into vehicles or not, that's fine, however since the changes are this major infantry should get the same chance. How could people know what vehicles would be like in 1.7 when they spent their SP?
If people say infantry shouldn't be able to skill into vehicles, then don't allow pilots to skill out of vehicles either. It's that simple. Yeah, so maybe they plan to redo infantry and then offer them the same deal in 1.8 or 1.9? In that case, there'd be no issue.
Amidst the blue skies
A link from past to future
The sheltering wings of the protector
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Bendtner92
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
1419
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Posted - 2013.12.08 21:27:00 -
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Mobius Wyvern wrote:Yeah, so maybe they plan to redo infantry and then offer them the same deal in 1.8 or 1.9? In that case, there'd be no issue. There is no plan to redo infantry, not for the foreseeable future at least, plus it took them what, 4 months to redo vehicles? I'm sure it would take more than that to redo infantry completely then.
Also then we'd just be back at the same issue as infantry then would get unfair advantages over pilots...
Winner of the EU Squad Cup & the closed beta Tester's Tournament.
Go Go Power Rangers!
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Phazoid
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
118
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Posted - 2013.12.08 22:47:00 -
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and scouts and heavies are stuck being raped by skill-less med frames AR scrubs just because CCP doesnt cares at all about feedback, they just care about people buying aurum, if a dev reads this, PROVE ME WRONG, i have 3 words for ya "scouts and heavies"
Me and my inner demons stopped fighting......We are on the same side now...
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Roger Cordill
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
181
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Posted - 2013.12.08 23:34:00 -
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Bendtner92 wrote:Mobius Wyvern wrote:Yeah, so maybe they plan to redo infantry and then offer them the same deal in 1.8 or 1.9? In that case, there'd be no issue. There is no plan to redo infantry, not for the foreseeable future at least, plus it took them what, 4 months to redo vehicles? I'm sure it would take more than that to redo infantry completely then. Also then we'd just be back at the same issue as infantry then would get unfair advantages over pilots...
Message from Godin: They're still not done tierciding the ships and modules in EVE. BUt in Dust, half of it is already done (vehicles). All we have to do is tiercide infantry.
EDIT: Wait, you're still droning on about this ****? LOL |
RedBleach LeSanglant
Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy
480
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Posted - 2013.12.12 21:08:00 -
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CCP still needs vehicle data. Until there are enough players experimenting with builds and battles where they are used and destroyed all that can be done is guess at what may happen and hold the building and release of new vehicles until later. I prefer to still look at this game as a beta, it is still in testing, and until every standard range of items are out, and the skill tree reworked, I don't see this respec happening - even though both sides have their valid arguments for or against it.
Regardless, even after it all comes out there will still be new releases, new skills, and more tweaks and fixes to the game.
All that is wanted is for CCP to draw a line in the sand, as they did with uprising (though it failed), for when things will be coming out and the respec that is to come with it. I know that CCP says that it has, but many still view it as a beta and an incomplete game so we don't really believe it when CCP has said "no more" to respecs because of the grand problems in the past. Thus we continue to demand a respec and it gets continually denied for the general population. Give it time, I still think it will happen. |
The Attorney General
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Posted - 2013.12.12 21:16:00 -
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Bendtner92 wrote:Lanius Pulvis wrote: This argument falls apart soon as you start talking about player mistakes. This isn't a case of pilots spending SP without forethought and then crying about it til they get a respec. If it was I'd just say HTFU. This respec is because CCP apparently created skills without forethought and is now trying to rectify that by removing some of the skills we've already invested in
Ehm, I've never said anything about pilots shouldn't get a respec. I'm saying that unless everyone else get a respec as well, pilots will be getting unfair advantages. It's not about infantry wanting a respec because they messed up their skills. It's about getting a respec so that infantry has a chance and a choice (not neccesarily taking it) to skill into vehicles, just as pilots have the chance and choice to skill out of vehicles.
You already had a choice to spec into vehicles.
It was called Uprising. Remember those two respecs? Yeah, those were your chance to go into vehicles.
Oh, you didn't want to use vehicles then because they were bad? Oh, well those of us who wanted to use vehicles because they are vehicles toughed it out, and invested our SP, and paid through the nose for the luxury of being vehicle users.
Meanwhile infantry was able to run cheap suits, stack lots of ISK, and punish those who specced into vehicles.
Now that the pendulum has moved from AV overpowering tanks to something more balanced, infantry wants to get the benefits without having paid the costs.
Personally, I hope they do it, everyone gets all stupid with their SP and then CCP nerfs the tanks to hell and back. Would teach people to not spec FotM.
And it wouldn't affect me, because I would just put this toon to sleep until they fixed the tanks next year.
Mr. Hybrid Vayu.
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Krom Ganesh
Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire
879
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Posted - 2013.12.12 21:19:00 -
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CCP isn't going to talk about a respec until they actually decide they are going to do one.
If they talk about it with the community, the community will assume they are getting and get angry if they don't.
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BMSTUBBY
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
474
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Posted - 2013.12.12 21:19:00 -
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- It may be too much, but we will keep a close eye on it.
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1600092#post1600092
Meh, F2P Lobby Shooter.
Working as intended.
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Jadd Hatchen
Psygod9 D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
224
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Posted - 2013.12.12 21:24:00 -
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Freshticles wrote:Now it seems peculiar to not talk about such a subject, even though the CPM have asked you about this. If its not in the works already it won't be because 1.7 is too close, but it would be nice to know where we stand.
Also, remember when everyone could apply for a respec because of the minor infantry changes? Everyone seems to be keeping that one quiet.
Please go here and post your thought to support or not the idea: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=118583&find=unread
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Garrett Blacknova
Codex Troopers
4154
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Posted - 2013.12.12 21:32:00 -
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Freshticles wrote:Now it seems peculiar to not talk about such a subject, even though the CPM have asked you about this. If its not in the works already it won't be because 1.7 is too close, but it would be nice to know where we stand.
Also, remember when everyone could apply for a respec because of the minor infantry changes? Everyone seems to be keeping that one quiet. You mean the "minor" infantry changes where several core skills had completely different passives from what the description said they gave, or had passive benefits in the description which weren't really there?
Pretty sure there was a legitimate reason to let people re-allocate their skills after blatantly lying about what their SP had poured into. |
Freshticles
DIOS EX.
329
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Posted - 2013.12.12 21:34:00 -
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Garrett Blacknova wrote:Freshticles wrote:Now it seems peculiar to not talk about such a subject, even though the CPM have asked you about this. If its not in the works already it won't be because 1.7 is too close, but it would be nice to know where we stand.
Also, remember when everyone could apply for a respec because of the minor infantry changes? Everyone seems to be keeping that one quiet. You mean the "minor" infantry changes where several core skills had completely different passives from what the description said they gave, or had passive benefits in the description which weren't really there? Pretty sure there was a legitimate reason to let people re-allocate their skills after blatantly lying about what their SP had poured into. Yes, but it was a full respec nonetheless even if you didn't have the skills affected.
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