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DEZKA DIABLO Commando Perkone Caldari State 108	Posted - 2013.12.07 00:43:00 - [1] - Quote Margin of error an a quick flash of your position means you can't beat it, it's constant scans between 28/15 db scans to find the blip an they know your hiding. Null cannons have a zero db an a 30-50m range aprox so you can't even stealth hack. Proposal : If your not going to fix scouts then: Raise null canon to 26 db Make scanners only useable if you stop moving an aim stationary in one direction Make a scanner limit on logi suits so you can't scan 4 directions one after the other Increase scout hack speed an lower profile Remove the 15 db scanner Remove margin of error an the quick lite blip when a scout is scanned This blip an error means you really can't beat the scanner an all the points spent trying to was an illusion that you could. Scanners are game breaking for scouts an I'm surprised no ones pointed out why.
Sana Rayya WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL Top Men. 488	Posted - 2013.12.07 00:59:00 - [2] - Quote You, sir, have no idea what you're talking about. Is this a troll post or are you really that ignorant? Facts: Lvl 5 Scouts beat advanced scanners inherently, and this scanner is the most widely used in pubs. To beat 28 dB scanners, the scout must have Lvl 2 profile dampening, and one basic or militia dampener. That's roughly 80k SP. No one except a paperthin Gal Scout can beat the 15dB scanner, but the attributes of this scanner make it one of the least often used. You will encounter this scanner in maybe 1% of pub matches. I'm not sure about null cannons, but the scan precision of supply depots and other installations is somewhere higher than 45db but lower than 50dB. It might be 50dB exactly. There are no "Some Margin of Error" messages anymore, nor are there any quick light blips if someone is using dampeners. I have tested this on Oceania using two PS3s. Have you?
Mdog 24158 Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 46	Posted - 2013.12.07 01:03:00 - [3] - Quote Sana Rayya wrote: You, sir, have no idea what you're talking about. Is this a troll post or are you really that ignorant? Facts: Lvl 5 Scouts beat advanced scanners inherently, and this scanner is the most widely used in pubs. To beat 28 dB scanners, the scout must have Lvl 2 profile dampening, and one basic or militia dampener. That's roughly 80k SP. No one except a paperthin Gal Scout can beat the 15dB scanner, but the attributes of this scanner make it one of the least often used. You will encounter this scanner in maybe 1% of pub matches. I'm not sure about null cannons, but the scan precision of supply depots and other installations is somewhere higher than 45db but lower than 50dB. It might be 50dB exactly. There are no "Some Margin of Error" messages anymore, nor are there any quick light blips if someone is using dampeners. I have tested this on Oceania using two PS3s. Have you? No i see that damn proto scanner nearly every match Flying derpships and scout shotgunning 24/7 quite fun i must say
DEZKA DIABLO Commando Perkone Caldari State 111	Posted - 2013.12.07 01:29:00 - [4] - Quote Sana Rayya wrote: You, sir, have no idea what you're talking about. Is this a troll post or are you really that ignorant? Facts: Lvl 5 Scouts beat advanced scanners inherently, and this scanner is the most widely used in pubs. To beat 28 dB scanners, the scout must have Lvl 2 profile dampening, and one basic or militia dampener. That's roughly 80k SP. No one except a paperthin Gal Scout can beat the 15dB scanner, but the attributes of this scanner make it one of the least often used. You will encounter this scanner in maybe 1% of pub matches. I'm not sure about null cannons, but the scan precision of supply depots and other installations is somewhere higher than 45db but lower than 50dB. It might be 50dB exactly. There are no "Some Margin of Error" messages anymore, nor are there any quick light blips if someone is using dampeners. I have tested this on Oceania using two PS3s. Have you? Yea it's it a troll post( face palm, you got me). Null cannon are zero an for like 50 m which means anyone near the red letter can see ANY blue coming scout under 15 db or not, a paper thin minja loses a low to beat 28 can't beat 15 an niether can sneak past enemy lines unnoticed. No I ve seen nothing on the removal of error or blip being removed, post your source. I see the proto scanner almost 1/3 matches an I have both proto scouts so I believe I kno what I'm talking about btw this is my alt not some commando perk one noob.
knight of 6 SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 793	Posted - 2013.12.07 01:47:00 - [5] - Quote racial scout 5 + dampening 3 = 40% passive damp scout suit = 45db 27db = 45 x .6 get gud also, I get scanned like once a week proto scanners in pubs aren't common at all. "God favors the side with the best artillery" ~ Napoleon Ko6, scout, tanker. CLOSED BETA VET
Baal Roo Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 2805	Posted - 2013.12.07 01:51:00 - [6] - Quote knight of 6 wrote: racial scout 5 + dampening 3 = 40% passive damp scout suit = 45db 27db = 45 x .6 get gud also, I get scanned like once a week proto scanners in pubs aren't common at all. Regardless, any time someone runs a scanner over you, the game tells them you are there by telling you that there was a "margin of error." They won't know exactly where you are at, but they know you are somewhere within the area they scanned, which is all they really need to know anyway.
DEZKA DIABLO Commando Perkone Caldari State 115	Posted - 2013.12.07 01:52:00 - [7] - Quote You telling me to get gud? Probably rocking a logi an a scr an ur scout has dust on it, since ur not on the srkb
Kane Fyea 2332	Posted - 2013.12.07 01:53:00 - [8] - Quote The only thing wrong with active scanners is the scan and spin tactic where you can scan all around you.
Kane Fyea 2332	Posted - 2013.12.07 01:54:00 - [9] - Quote Baal Roo wrote: knight of 6 wrote: racial scout 5 + dampening 3 = 40% passive damp scout suit = 45db 27db = 45 x .6 get gud also, I get scanned like once a week proto scanners in pubs aren't common at all. Regardless, any time someone runs a scanner over you, the game tells them you are there by telling you that there was a "margin of error." They won't know exactly where you are at, but they know you are somewhere within the area they scanned, which is all they really need to know anyway. Actually the margin of error thing has been removed.
Baal Roo Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 2805	Posted - 2013.12.07 01:58:00 - [10] - Quote Kane Fyea wrote: Baal Roo wrote: knight of 6 wrote: racial scout 5 + dampening 3 = 40% passive damp scout suit = 45db 27db = 45 x .6 get gud also, I get scanned like once a week proto scanners in pubs aren't common at all. Regardless, any time someone runs a scanner over you, the game tells them you are there by telling you that there was a "margin of error." They won't know exactly where you are at, but they know you are somewhere within the area they scanned, which is all they really need to know anyway. Actually the margin of error thing has been removed. Since when? I was getting "no margin of error" on my scanner last night when I used it in the random match I actually played. Does it just say "No margin of error" every single time you use it now?

Kane Fyea 2332	Posted - 2013.12.07 02:00:00 - [11] - Quote Baal Roo wrote: Kane Fyea wrote: Baal Roo wrote: knight of 6 wrote: racial scout 5 + dampening 3 = 40% passive damp scout suit = 45db 27db = 45 x .6 get gud also, I get scanned like once a week proto scanners in pubs aren't common at all. Regardless, any time someone runs a scanner over you, the game tells them you are there by telling you that there was a "margin of error." They won't know exactly where you are at, but they know you are somewhere within the area they scanned, which is all they really need to know anyway. Actually the margin of error thing has been removed. Since when? I was getting "no margin of error" on my scanner last night when I used it in the random match I actually played. Does it just say "No margin of error" every single time you use it now? I haven't gotten one in a while. In fact I was just scanning a guy I was looking at (Seeing if he had buddies) and noticed he didn't show up and I didn't get the margin of error. I did this a couple of times on him and got nothing.
Baal Roo Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 2805	Posted - 2013.12.07 02:02:00 - [12] - Quote Kane Fyea wrote: Baal Roo wrote: Kane Fyea wrote: Baal Roo wrote: knight of 6 wrote: racial scout 5 + dampening 3 = 40% passive damp scout suit = 45db 27db = 45 x .6 get gud also, I get scanned like once a week proto scanners in pubs aren't common at all. Regardless, any time someone runs a scanner over you, the game tells them you are there by telling you that there was a "margin of error." They won't know exactly where you are at, but they know you are somewhere within the area they scanned, which is all they really need to know anyway. Actually the margin of error thing has been removed. Since when? I was getting "no margin of error" on my scanner last night when I used it in the random match I actually played. Does it just say "No margin of error" every single time you use it now? I haven't gotten one in a while. In fact I was just scanning a guy I was looking at (Seeing if he had buddies) and noticed he didn't show up and I didn't get the margin of error. I did this a couple of times on him and got nothing. So it just told you "No Margin of Error" even though it didn't pick him up?
Kane Fyea 2332	Posted - 2013.12.07 02:03:00 - [13] - Quote Baal Roo wrote: Kane Fyea wrote: Baal Roo wrote: Kane Fyea wrote: Baal Roo wrote: Regardless, any time someone runs a scanner over you, the game tells them you are there by telling you that there was a "margin of error." They won't know exactly where you are at, but they know you are somewhere within the area they scanned, which is all they really need to know anyway. Actually the margin of error thing has been removed. Since when? I was getting "no margin of error" on my scanner last night when I used it in the random match I actually played. Does it just say "No margin of error" every single time you use it now? I haven't gotten one in a while. In fact I was just scanning a guy I was looking at (Seeing if he had buddies) and noticed he didn't show up and I didn't get the margin of error. I did this a couple of times on him and got nothing. So it just told you "No Margin of Error" even though it didn't pick him up? Yea.
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 8417	Posted - 2013.12.07 02:03:00 - [14] - Quote Stronger than prototype scanner coming to a Gallente LP store near you Win ISK / Vids / O7
Kane Fyea 2332	Posted - 2013.12.07 02:05:00 - [15] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Stronger than prototype scanner coming to a Gallente LP store near you I believe it will only be the normal proto active scanner just stronger (Probably little bit better scan precision and possibly targets stay on radar a bit longer).
knight of 6 SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 793	Posted - 2013.12.07 02:06:00 - [16] - Quote DEZKA DIABLO wrote: You telling me to get gud? Probably rocking a logi an a scr an ur scout has dust on it, since ur not on the srkb I'm assuming that srkb is short hand for scout registry killboard? Ctrl + F "3354" the number is off by a couple hundred but my name is still there and I assure you I am still and active scout. however I did notice in passing that "DEZKA DIABLO" isn't listed... lolalt? "God favors the side with the best artillery" ~ Napoleon Ko6, scout, tanker. CLOSED BETA VET
nor asha Turbo Bros inc. 58	Posted - 2013.12.07 02:43:00 - [17] - Quote Kane Fyea wrote: The only thing wrong with active scanners is the scan and spin tactic where you can scan all around you. shhhhh
Quil Evrything DUST University Ivy League 474	Posted - 2013.12.07 03:00:00 - [18] - Quote I have seen "some margin of error" just a few days ago. However, it is quite rare. I suspect it only happens when the scan precision and the target profile are very close.
DEZKA DIABLO Commando Perkone Caldari State 117	Posted - 2013.12.07 04:35:00 - [19] - Quote knight of 6 wrote: DEZKA DIABLO wrote: You telling me to get gud? Probably rocking a logi an a scr an ur scout has dust on it, since ur not on the srkb I'm assuming that srkb is short hand for scout registry killboard? Ctrl + F "3354" the number is off by a couple hundred but my name is still there and I assure you I am still and active scout. however I did notice in passing that "DEZKA DIABLO" isn't listed... lolalt? I wrote in the thread earlier this is my alt, my main is more than half way up the board. This my new forum junkie since I have a ban on the main till next week. I'm from beta an have 29 mill sp , don't let the starter corp fool you.
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 5651	Posted - 2013.12.07 04:45:00 - [20] - Quote Quil Evrything wrote: I have seen "some margin of error" just a few days ago. However, it is quite rare. I suspect it only happens when the scan precision and the target profile are very close. Judging from the posts on this thread, if you and Kane are right, then it's possible that if you have a scanner has 28DB but the target has 15 then that target won't get the margin of error while a suit with 27 gets the margin. Am I correct? OK, CCP. When are knives finally going to be improved?

Ludvig Enraga KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 705	Posted - 2013.12.07 05:11:00 - [21] - Quote Sana Rayya wrote: You, sir, have no idea what you're talking about. Is this a troll post or are you really that ignorant? Facts: Lvl 5 Scouts beat advanced scanners inherently, and this scanner is the most widely used in pubs. To beat 28 dB scanners, the scout must have Lvl 2 profile dampening, and one basic or militia dampener. That's roughly 80k SP. No one except a paperthin Gal Scout can beat the 15dB scanner, but the attributes of this scanner make it one of the least often used. You will encounter this scanner in maybe 1% of pub matches. I'm not sure about null cannons, but the scan precision of supply depots and other installations is somewhere higher than 45db but lower than 50dB. It might be 50dB exactly. There are no "Some Margin of Error" messages anymore, nor are there any quick light blips if someone is using dampeners. I have tested this on Oceania using two PS3s. Have you? wow... a proto scout suit is only good enough to beat an advanced scanner that's only used in pubs. A definitive victory for all scouts. Oh, sht! I just learned you can make a signature! Thanks, CCP! Forums are getting better!
Sana Rayya WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL Top Men. 489	Posted - 2013.12.07 05:24:00 - [22] - Quote Suit bonuses are tied to the suit class, not the specific tier of the suit. So yeah, if you scouts with Lvl 5 in the skill want to dodge 28dB proto scanners, you need to give up one slot and 15/18 CPU, no matter if you run basic, advanced, or proto. Compare this to medium frames who need two slots for two complex dampeners and 66 CPU to achieve the same. Saying that proto scouts should be able to beat proto scanners just due to their class bonus is like saying that logis should have an inherent 20 HP/sec rep just due to their class bonus. The class bonus is a mediocre replacement for modules, and should not be as beneficial as using the modules that they replace.
Lynn Beck Granite Mercenary Division Top Men. 292	Posted - 2013.12.07 05:41:00 - [23] - Quote I tried this just yesterday and had wonderful success, lv3 dampening, lv1 minscout, enhanced dampener, basic dampener, my math (stacking penalty included) puts me at 27.95. Thats like 470kSP to dodge protos in a standard suit. (Not to mention i am also zn-28ing people all day long.) LAV murder man: "I can kill with rails, therefore they're OP." CCP give me duct-tape extenders!
ZiwZih Seraphim Initiative.. 279	Posted - 2013.12.12 14:35:00 - [24] - Quote Prototype Focused (15db) has lowest fitting requirements of other PRO, so not sure how you find "the attributes of this scanner make it one of the least often used". It is slowly becoming plague in FW.
Sana Rayya WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL Top Men. 535	Posted - 2013.12.12 14:44:00 - [25] - Quote ZiwZih wrote: Prototype Focused (15db) has lowest fitting requirements of other PRO, so not sure how you find "the attributes of this scanner make it one of the least often used". It is slowly becoming plague in FW. Hope you are kidding me. Duvolle Focused Scanner is 38 CPU, 18 PG. This gives it the highest PG usage of any piece of equipment, and is up there with the Imperial ScR (20 PG) and some forge guns. The scan time is 5 seconds. By the way, as of 1.7 you can no longer put away your scanner by sprinting and switching weapons, so the person scanning is completely vulnerable for 5 seconds. After your scan is complete, your targets are lit up for only 5 seconds. Compare this to the Duvolle Quantum with a 2 second scan time, and 25 second light up time. The real kicker is the cooldown time. When using the Duvolle Focused scanner, you must wait 33 seconds between consecutive scans. You will only have target intel for 10 seconds. Therefore, for 70% of the time, you have no scan data. The only time I would consider using this scanner against scouts is if other people have Duvolle Quantums in my squad and are spamming them constantly, or if the entire enemy team is dampened to below 28dB, making it the only way to detect enemies. Otherwise the Duvolle Quantum or even A-45 Advanced is the way to go.
Reav Hannari Red Rock Outriders 2197	Posted - 2013.12.12 14:49:00 - [26] - Quote If the 15dB scanner couldn't detect the best scouts they would be complaining that scouts are over powered. Someone has to win in this situation. I think having a high fitting cost scanner beat all is a fair enough trade. Most of the time scouts are going undetected but dedicated scanners can find them by putting away their weapon for a bit and making themselves at least a little vulnerable. // Adapt or Die // Matari Logistics / Scout / Dropship Crash Tester // @ReesNoturana
Kuroiokami Tsukinaku A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. Renegade Alliance 11	Posted - 2013.12.12 15:13:00 - [27] - Quote I would lean the other way Reav. Correct me if I'm wrong, but the SP investment to lower your sig seems greater than the investment to scan that low. And while the scanner may be 'exposed', unless they are in direct combat, the risk is low. The scout cannot identify the scanner to eliminate the threat. I think using active scanners should also increase your sig. In real life, active radar (and sonar) gives you a better picture, but also let's your opponent know where the scanner is. Be nice if scouts knew at least that much.
Korvin Lomont United Pwnage Service RISE of LEGION 330	Posted - 2013.12.12 15:24:00 - [28] - Quote Sana Rayya wrote: You, sir, have no idea what you're talking about. Is this a troll post or are you really that ignorant? Facts: Lvl 5 Scouts beat advanced scanners inherently, and this scanner is the most widely used in pubs. To beat 28 dB scanners, the scout must have Lvl 2 profile dampening, and one basic or militia dampener. That's roughly 80k SP. This is only true for a proto scout or a scout on lvl 5 so its not 80SP its lvl 3 light suits: ~275KSP + scout lv5: ~2.4Mil SP and profile dampening lv2: ~73K Sp => all in all 2.7 million SP to beat one piece of equipment... Sana Rayya wrote: No one except a paperthin Gal Scout can beat the 15dB scanner, but the attributes of this scanner make it one of the least often used. You will encounter this scanner in maybe 1% of pub matches. Maybe, but then whats the purpose of the scout? Sana Rayya wrote: I'm not sure about null cannons, but the scan precision of supply depots and other installations is somewhere higher than 45db but lower than 50dB. It might be 50dB exactly. I have no clue about the scanprecision an installations. So no further comment Sana Rayya wrote: There are no "Some Margin of Error" messages anymore, nor are there any quick light blips if someone is using dampeners. I have tested this on Oceania using two PS3s. Have you? Strange I get this message all the time well or at least often enough to know its there.
Yagihige Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 460	Posted - 2013.12.12 15:48:00 - [29] - Quote I actually agree with the idea of activating the scanner forcing you to stand still until it completes the scan. I mean, there's scanners with varying angles of scan, which is supposed to make you have to choose between wider but shorter or narrower but longer scans, however the scanner's angle becomes a completely useless stat since you can just circle around and scan a 360-¦ angle anyway. em ta kool t'nod
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 4141	Posted - 2013.12.12 16:06:00 - [30] - Quote Sana Rayya wrote: Saying that proto scouts should be able to beat proto scanners just due to their class bonus is like saying that logis should have an inherent 20 HP/sec rep just due to their class bonus. The class bonus is a mediocre replacement for modules, and should not be as beneficial as using the modules that they replace. Your example is pretty awful, actually. Saying self-repair is an inherent trait that defines the Logistics role makes you sound kind of ridiculous. Scout suits are designed for stealth. Logi suits are designed for LOGISTICS. Hence the name. Saying Scouts should get a significant buff to stealth is like saying that Logi suits should get more equipment slots than other suits... OH WAIT. Or like saying that Assault suits should get the equivalent of a built-in damage mod when you max out their skill. And a lot of people seemed to think that was a good idea too. How does insanely high armour regen fit the medic and support role?



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