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AWESOME AUTISTIC
Redline Defense Force
Seekers of the Unseen
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Posted - 2013.12.06 08:15:00 -
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8213 wrote:Have you ever talked to the CEOs of the protostomp squads? I have.
They don't care they are ruining the game. they go into pub(mainly ambush) for the strict purpose of finding lambs to slaughter. You don't see these guys in FW(and you won't especially after 1.7), DOM, or Skirmish. They flock to where to noobs are just to stroke their ego.
You talk to the CEOs about it and they'll tell you "they can find another game to play" or "I want them to quit." They are ruining the game on PURPOSE.
PC lag has nothing to do with it. They stack in pubs to manipulate the system. And back out when they face real/equal competition.
Go ahead, talk to kujo about it. Ask Cubs why they used to do what they did.
Which is exactly why they MAKE SURE TO RUN YOU INTO THE GROUND IF YOU MANAGE TO KILLTHEM. I killed a protostomper and next thing I know THE ENTIRE SQUAD isolated me and curbstomped my face in.
I specialize in ridiculousness.
'You don't talk to strangers, you shoot them.' Snow LOCKOUT
Scout Devotee.
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Justicar Karnellia
Ikomari-Onu Enforcement
Caldari State
188
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Posted - 2013.12.06 08:20:00 -
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I appreciate the difficulty and sorry to hear your friend had such a hard time - hopefully he'll stick around.
I think it's quite clear that you cannot offer a new player experience in a PvP environment. It has to be structured, gradual, and the pace has to be controlled, and this can only be done in PvE. Until they get PvE into Dust 514, anything and everything they do to improve the "new player experience" is just a stop-loss solution. |
NOAMIzzzzz
Pradox One
Proficiency V.
66
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Posted - 2013.12.06 08:55:00 -
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Do i REALLY have to go militia cause my STD is to op? i guess i do... |
Akdhar Saif
Forty-Nine Fedayeen
Minmatar Republic
88
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Posted - 2013.12.06 09:33:00 -
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I've said it before and I'll say it again, "The Academy" is just a simple fix to a much more difficult problem. You can't simply apply a WP limit on normal matches.
There needs to be a much improved new player experience. This means a dedicated Training Grounds and maybe even some PVE content for the same purpose. The Training Grounds should be Gear Limited so people are on an equal footing, it's only when mercs start to improve and actually want to go up against the big guns that they leave the Training Academy. |
Elmo Love U
514 Mile High Club
17
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Posted - 2013.12.06 14:33:00 -
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Tallen Ellecon wrote:Proto in pubs. I'm running with a new guy and he seems really interested in the game. It's not until we start running against the same try hards wearing full proto and he just can't have any fun. even running with a squad. He was shooting a guy hacking in the back of a head with an AR, the guy took 2 more seconds to hack and insta killed him with his Duvolle. No tactics, no skill, no aiming, just gear, SP and the ability to use it.
This isn't for the try hards, no one should tell you what to do, even if you are contributing to the worst part of the new player experience.
This is for CCP, I'm a vet and I've had it with this ****. I can't compete against these guys unless I wear proto too and then I just become part of the problem. Extend the academy, fix matchmaking, add PVE, just do something because this game still has the potential to be great it's just rotting in it's own filth ATM, keeping new players out.
First impressions are important and this game makes a terrible one.
LMAO. "Kill em quick" are u mad ur not op anymore
Show me the money!
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CHICAGOCUBS4EVER
TeamPlayers
2335
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Posted - 2013.12.06 14:36:00 -
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Tallen Ellecon wrote:Proto in pubs. I'm running with a new guy and he seems really interested in the game. It's not until we start running against the same try hards wearing full proto and he just can't have any fun. even running with a squad. He was shooting a guy hacking in the back of a head with an AR, the guy took 2 more seconds to hack and insta killed him with his Duvolle. No tactics, no skill, no aiming, just gear, SP and the ability to use it.
This isn't for the try hards, no one should tell you what to do, even if you are contributing to the worst part of the new player experience.
This is for CCP, I'm a vet and I've had it with this ****. I can't compete against these guys unless I wear proto too and then I just become part of the problem. Extend the academy, fix matchmaking, add PVE, just do something because this game still has the potential to be great it's just rotting in it's own filth ATM, keeping new players out.
First impressions are important and this game makes a terrible one.
suggestion... just fight for the minmatar in FW. you'll fit right in 
Common Sense and Logic are 2 things you have to forget when posting on these forums.
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Rasatsu
Much Crying Old Experts
931
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Posted - 2013.12.06 14:37:00 -
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People have difficulty killing proto in std gear? |
Anarchide
Greedy Bastards
1634
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Posted - 2013.12.06 14:39:00 -
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Proto, or not Proto, that is the question
I know how to fix this.
Picture yourself playing PVE. The Protobears are the Drones you're fighting.
Here's your new gamemode. Yes, it's difficult.
Enjoy!
Greedy Bastards' Hate Lord
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CHICAGOCUBS4EVER
TeamPlayers
2335
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Posted - 2013.12.06 14:44:00 -
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and the answer to all of it is simple. know where u are playing.
Ambush has been the most competitive game mode outside of PC since long before PC was even in the game,.
High SP or not, we all need to hit our caps, and those that have been around a long time often choose ambush for a couple reasons.
per time, its the fastest SP you can get. you never have to worry about redline affairs or the opposition trolling you by not even trying.
as for proto.. been said over and over. if you have it you are more than entitled to use it.
Skirmish WAS competitive.. before PC, before the stats broke and didn't record for them.
A lot of people enjoy domination, and is often on the more competitive side nowadays.
pick your poison. I fully agree the new player experience is not favorable in any way, shape or form.
are the players at fault for that? have we not suggested over and over that feeding the new kids on the block to the proto wolves is healthy for the playerbase?
Have we not suggested countless ideas how to 'balance' matches?
u wanna QQ submit a ticket.. over and over
phone a friend.. spam CCP cause its all on them.
we who have been around have said everything you are QQing over now, many times over, for months...
yet nothing has changed.
*SORRY* something HAS changed.. they've changed the WP #s before u get kicked out of the academy..
so NOW.. if you are a decent FPS gamer... o wait u still only last 1 match in the academy...
Common Sense and Logic are 2 things you have to forget when posting on these forums.
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Ripley Riley
Incorruptibles
141
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Posted - 2013.12.06 14:51:00 -
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Tallen Ellecon wrote:Extend the academy, fix matchmaking, add PVE
Extending the academy is an absolute no-brainer. When does the academy stop; 10,000 WP or 2mil SP? That needs to be much higher. 15,000 - 20,000 WP would probably give new folks more time to get acclaimed to Dust. Also, once you have been through the academy with one character on your account you do not get enrolled in the academy on any characters on that same account. This might help prevent people from rolling new characters just to stomp the academy.
Matchmaking... I have mixed feelings on that one. I understand the need to retain new players, but at the same time, this is New Eden. New Eden is harsh and unforgiving. Matchmaking feels too much like the developers protecting us from each other and I don't like that.
PvE... I'm going to be honest here. PvE is the number 1 feature I want right now. The amount of money I would spend on Dust if it offered PvE is ludicrous. A PvE system would also allow some kind of "Virtual Bootcamp" where new players could face off against AI drones or something. We could also add a primitive firing range-type area to experiment with new weapons.
"I need not food nor water. Your tears alone sustain me." - Ripley Riley
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Tallen Ellecon
KILL-EM-QUICK
RISE of LEGION
1036
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Posted - 2013.12.06 23:43:00 -
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CHICAGOCUBS4EVER wrote:and the answer to all of it is simple. know where u are playing.
Ambush has been the most competitive game mode outside of PC since long before PC was even in the game,.
High SP or not, we all need to hit our caps, and those that have been around a long time often choose ambush for a couple reasons.
per time, its the fastest SP you can get. you never have to worry about redline affairs or the opposition trolling you by not even trying.
as for proto.. been said over and over. if you have it you are more than entitled to use it.
Skirmish WAS competitive.. before PC, before the stats broke and didn't record for them.
A lot of people enjoy domination, and is often on the more competitive side nowadays.
pick your poison. I fully agree the new player experience is not favorable in any way, shape or form.
are the players at fault for that? have we not suggested over and over that feeding the new kids on the block to the proto wolves is healthy for the playerbase?
Have we not suggested countless ideas how to 'balance' matches?
u wanna QQ submit a ticket.. over and over
phone a friend.. spam CCP cause its all on them.
we who have been around have said everything you are QQing over now, many times over, for months...
yet nothing has changed.
*SORRY* something HAS changed.. they've changed the WP #s before u get kicked out of the academy..
so NOW.. if you are a decent FPS gamer... o wait u still only last 1 match in the academy...
Like I said, it's just sad.
The Ellecon's come from a long line of Gallente. Tarn chose Peace. Tallen chose war.
SoonGäó514
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calvin b
Molon Labe.
RISE of LEGION
1092
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Posted - 2013.12.06 23:48:00 -
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I like running in squads, but when you have experienced players with great gear it can become to easy. This is one reason I run solo and use Advance or lower gear. Make certain game plays gear restrictive and this will show who has talent and who is using a suit or weapon as a crutch.
F* the Snowflake
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J4yne C0bb
Molon Labe.
RISE of LEGION
114
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Posted - 2013.12.07 01:43:00 -
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calvin b wrote:I like running in squads, but when you have experienced players with great gear it can become to easy. This is one reason I run solo and use Advance or lower gear. Make certain game plays gear restrictive and this will show who has talent and who is using a suit or weapon as a crutch.
With the upcoming changes to Factional Warfare, I think this would be the perfect time to place a meta-level limit on gear in general pub matches. FW can be an opportunity for all mercs to break out their best stuff and blast each other to chunks, and general pub matches can become more of a place for general scrimmage, using lower level gear. A new player can start in general pubs relatively protected from stomping, free to find what he's interested, develop a playstyle, find a corp, etc, and eventually work his way into FW, where the gloves come off.
running Min Logi | aka Punch R0ckgroin - fatsuit | Theme Music
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TEXA5 HiTM4N
ROGUE SPADES
303
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Posted - 2013.12.07 01:45:00 -
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we've been saying this for over a year and CCP still doesn't listen or doesn't care. hell they even lowered the amount of WP it takes to leave the academy.
Everything I say or do has the utmost importance.
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DiGreatDestroyer
Grupo de Asalto Chacal
RISE of LEGION
41
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Posted - 2013.12.07 01:59:00 -
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TO OP:
Protostomping is always gonna be there mate, seems theres little we can do about it, because WE, the players, are the ones that have to fix this, not CCP. At least thats how i feel
1-We could make a gentlemens agrement, no proto in pubs.
2-We could enforce an agrement: Members of corps that do not comply will get green light to be TK on FW
3-Corps that dont comply will get hunted out of PC.
But lets asume that one of my incredibly utopian ideas works: We still have to deal with players wih more skill. And im not talking about SP here. Just cheer skill. One comment really marked me. Someone said on this very forums: (About the new player experience) "You could try to not hunt them like dogs when they are in the redline" That made me realize that since thats what i do, im a stomper myself. Even though i dont use proto, i still make this game a hell to the new players, and i had enjoyed every single moment of it until that post made me realise i was the very thing i despised. So the use of Proto is not the problem.
I dont come here with a solution. I come here with two ideas i would like CCP and the players to hear. to make the new player experience better
1- Make reaching corps more easy to new players. Maybe add a screen to aply to a corp (The corp would have to agree to be on that list) after the players graduate from batle academy. Hell, GAC could take care of the spanish guys.
2-PVE. Now, i know, pve is on hold, but we need it so bad CCP. So this is what we can do. Open a new category in the forums where people can give ideas, but we need to have PVE on 2.1
Thats the deadline. We better get working, right??
TO OPERATIVE 1171:
Interesting tag/firm you got there mate
Why would you want to destroy this game mate? What are you going to win? IGÇÖm not gonna lie here, this game has flaws, but it has something that no other game has, that feeling that battles have at least some meaning (Winning more resources, unlocking new gear) and OMG, the potential of this game is so big, thatGÇÖs why I want this game to succeed.
We need to start a new movement, just not one to destroy dust, but one to make the people understand that the game is still in beta, and that we have to help make it better, so it reaches its full potential.
So this is a plead to all doomsters and trolls out there: People donGÇÖt kill this game, if you keep your ways, Dust will have no future, and Im telling you, you donGÇÖt want to do that, because the future of this game is worth protecting. Please believe in me and in this game. You wonGÇÖt regret it.
TO AIKUCHI:
As much as I would love to say dust is a sandbox game, its not. ItGÇÖs a lobby shoter. I hope it gets to be a sandbox though. And you are right, PVE would be a great solution to make a better player experience
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The Robot Devil
Molon Labe.
RISE of LEGION
1290
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Posted - 2013.12.07 02:14:00 -
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Mobius Kaethis wrote:I don't think that separating players in to battles based upon their gear is the right way to approach this problem at all. Not only do we have too small of a player base to make this approach viable but we would also loose the "hard core" game play that all CCP games are famous for. I, even when I was new way back in the E3 build, relish the fact that I will get to play with the best players in the game as well as the worst. Sure I might get my butt kicked but that butt kicking usually teaches me something about game play and/or tactics.
I am thinking that building in rewards proportional to the difficulty of the kill would make getting regularly smacked down easier to handle for new players. If WP (and by extension SP and ISK) rewards were much larger for killing an a full proto player using crappy gear then even new players who got just a kill or two could feel successful. This kind of sea change in the WP/SP/ISK earning philosophy would shift the games emphasis from who can kill the most to who can make the most efficient use of their gear to earn SP/WP/ISK.
Any change of this sort would of course be even more of a support to new players if kills and assists were rewarded points based upon the percentage of damage done to a target by a given player. I've been arguing for this for a long time but have never seen any movement from CCP on this front.
Just my 2 isk.
Segregation by the total meta value of a suit is the only way to fix this problem. If the all the meta numbers of the suit and fit added together is equal to or less than the SDC status meta then you can enter, anything higher is not allowed.
Sec stat 1 systems would have a total meta of 2. 2 meta points would allow all starter and militia suit and gear into the battle.
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1476138#post1476138
Dr. Gonzo: I hate to say this, but this place is getting to me. I think I'm getting the Fear.
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Leither Yiltron
KILL-EM-QUICK
RISE of LEGION
824
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Posted - 2013.12.07 02:24:00 -
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The true ingrained solution to this problem is tiericide, which blatantly needs to happen to suit classes. If there's one core concept that's wrong with Dust 514, it's the concept that an advanced suit is exactly the same in every way to a basic one, except it's BETTER. It's not different, just better.
PC Coordinator for RISE of LEGION
Have a pony
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John Demonsbane
Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics
League of Infamy
641
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Posted - 2013.12.07 04:01:00 -
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Leither Yiltron wrote:The true ingrained solution to this problem is tiericide, which blatantly needs to happen to suit classes. If there's one core concept that's wrong with Dust 514, it's the concept that an advanced suit is exactly the same in every way to a basic one, except it's BETTER. It's not different, just better.
I just talked myself through this and there really is only one logical and easy to implement solution, which tbh I didn't really think was the only or best solution until now.
Tiericide sounds good, but let's be honest, that's not something that's gonna happen soon, and maybe shouldn't until all the racial suits are out. Of course, you can say the same thing about my preferred solution, PvE. Gonna take a while.
Ideally Id love to see a std only battle category, but segregating by gear could be hard without a much higher player count.
Nope, only robust matchmaking can fix this in a reasonable period of time. Noobs will still get killed, but if you make it so that you NEVER, under any circumstance, allow two squads to be on one team and none on the other in a pub match, at least the battle is somewhat even and the noobs don't get redlined.
Furthermore, take the average SP of each squad and split them evenly: 3 squads queue in, then the squad with the highest average lifetime SP gets put on one side, the other 2 on the other side. If 4 squads drop in, #1 and #4 on one side, 2 and 3 on the other, like tournament seeds.
Matchmaking really is hopelessly broken! Think about all the times you are stuck on a team of randoms while AE and Nyain San are on the same side. They are q-syncing, you say? Maybe, maybe not. An actual matchmaking system shouldn't let them. EVER.
(FW would obviously be an exception since you pick a side)
"The line between disorder and order lies in logistics" -Sun Tzu
Amarr victor!
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Alena Ventrallis
Osmon Surveillance
Caldari State
234
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Posted - 2013.12.07 04:16:00 -
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The problem with Dust isn't protostomping. Protostomping has its place. Just as nullsec briefing has its place in Eve. However, Eve has highsec, where they are protected from griefers by CONCORD, and can do their thing in relative security, wardecs notwithstanding. Dust has no where for new players to go and gain so and isk outside of PvP matches.
Imagine if they removed security status from Eve. The game would die within a week.
Give new players PvE, and let protostompers protostomp all over the pub matches and what-have-you. Let new players join these matches. That's their prerogative. But the consequence is they will get reamed by full proto squads.
CCP games pride themselveson having player choices have consequences. But players need to have some choices first. |
echo47
Minmatar Republic
103
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Posted - 2013.12.07 04:50:00 -
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I think this is where established and veteran corps need to step in. We need r corparate contracts for other than for PC. Corps could host new players via invite or as try outs. This could be corp vs corp or internal. Two squads, squad leaders high sp vets rest ofthe squad new guys. Show them the ropes and how it's done, limit gear and allow new players to scrimage. The players other than squad leaders have to bein the academy and make the acedemy longer.
I think this would be a benefit it is just two days a week, due to player numbers. It would give new players some successes and if willing they could learn somethings from vets.
The isk payout for matches and rules/gear restriction could be determined by corps hosting the scrimages.
Just an idea. I think corp contracts for someting other than PC and a longer academy stay will solve some of these issues.
I would rather look bad and win, than look good and lose.
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OmegaKelevra
Resheph Interstellar Strategy
Gallente Federation
37
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Posted - 2013.12.07 05:08:00 -
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Tallen Ellecon wrote:Proto in pubs. I'm running with a new guy and he seems really interested in the game. It's not until we start running against the same try hards wearing full proto and he just can't have any fun. even running with a squad. He was shooting a guy hacking in the back of a head with an AR, the guy took 2 more seconds to hack and insta killed him with his Duvolle. No tactics, no skill, no aiming, just gear, SP and the ability to use it.
This isn't for the try hards, no one should tell you what to do, even if you are contributing to the worst part of the new player experience.
This is for CCP, I'm a vet and I've had it with this ****. I can't compete against these guys unless I wear proto too and then I just become part of the problem. Extend the academy, fix matchmaking, add PVE, just do something because this game still has the potential to be great it's just rotting in it's own filth ATM, keeping new players out.
First impressions are important and this game makes a terrible one.
This is exactly why i will be excepting generous donations from those whom can afford it after the 10th to grief known offending proto's every chance i cross there paths. If possible to tk in Pub games i will wait to land on a proto bearing team and lets see what happens next with a gleam in my eye and a trusty "ol double barrel in my hand" party pooping milita shotgun in hand. if not i will find said player and or squad in FW where I'll do the above.
New players whom read this and are currently getting grief-ed send me name of player and corp to add to a wish list my "Pro Bono" work :)) Serious Clients for business purposes i will gladly go after almost any corp for the right amount of isk. Isk talks and you know the rest. Gettin my Dirty Merc Dirt Work on!
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EXCUTIONR BRUTAL
DUST University
Ivy League
16
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Posted - 2013.12.07 05:12:00 -
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Niuvo wrote:Tallen Ellecon wrote:Proto in pubs. I'm running with a new guy and he seems really interested in the game. It's not until we start running against the same try hards wearing full proto and he just can't have any fun. even running with a squad. He was shooting a guy hacking in the back of a head with an AR, the guy took 2 more seconds to hack and insta killed him with his Duvolle. No tactics, no skill, no aiming, just gear, SP and the ability to use it.
This isn't for the try hards, no one should tell you what to do, even if you are contributing to the worst part of the new player experience.
This is for CCP, I'm a vet and I've had it with this ****. I can't compete against these guys unless I wear proto too and then I just become part of the problem. Extend the academy, fix matchmaking, add PVE, just do something because this game still has the potential to be great it's just rotting in it's own filth ATM, keeping new players out.
First impressions are important and this game makes a terrible one.
I feel bad for new players facing these idiots. Their needs to be gear restrictions.
I been playin 6 months and didn't spec into proto yet and I'm proto stomped 85% of the time |
Tallen Ellecon
KILL-EM-QUICK
RISE of LEGION
1041
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Posted - 2013.12.07 05:24:00 -
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OmegaKelevra wrote:Tallen Ellecon wrote:Proto in pubs. I'm running with a new guy and he seems really interested in the game. It's not until we start running against the same try hards wearing full proto and he just can't have any fun. even running with a squad. He was shooting a guy hacking in the back of a head with an AR, the guy took 2 more seconds to hack and insta killed him with his Duvolle. No tactics, no skill, no aiming, just gear, SP and the ability to use it.
This isn't for the try hards, no one should tell you what to do, even if you are contributing to the worst part of the new player experience.
This is for CCP, I'm a vet and I've had it with this ****. I can't compete against these guys unless I wear proto too and then I just become part of the problem. Extend the academy, fix matchmaking, add PVE, just do something because this game still has the potential to be great it's just rotting in it's own filth ATM, keeping new players out.
First impressions are important and this game makes a terrible one.
This is exactly why i will be excepting generous donations from those whom can afford it after the 10th to grief known offending proto's every chance i cross there paths. If possible to tk in Pub games i will wait to land on a proto bearing team and lets see what happens next with a gleam in my eye and a trusty "ol double barrel in my hand" party pooping milita shotgun in hand. if not i will find said player and or squad in FW where I'll do the above. New players whom read this and are currently getting grief-ed send me name of player and corp to add to a wish list my "Pro Bono" work :)) Serious Clients for business purposes i will gladly go after almost any corp for the right amount of isk. Isk talks and you know the rest. Gettin my Dirty Merc Dirt Work on!
I think proto stomping is the biggest turnoff for most players to this game, but making FW hell won't solve it and will likely backfire. As it stands now FW 2.0 is the perfect place for the vets with more ISK and SP than they can use to go. As someone who is serious about the prospect of fighting for the federation this is one of the game modes where people are expected to give their all. If you prevent proto wearers from going into fac war without the likelyhood of intentional TKs they will all head back into the pubs and this game will be worse off for it. Don't be part of the problem.
The Ellecon's come from a long line of Gallente. Tarn chose Peace. Tallen chose war.
SoonGäó514
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Squagga
The State Protectorate
29
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Posted - 2014.01.20 07:19:00 -
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PvE is probobly the best solution. Plus I think it would be fun for us vets too!
Reloading, the silent killer.
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Ansiiis The Trustworthy
Mocking Bird Inc.
624
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Posted - 2014.01.20 07:37:00 -
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My new year's resolution is not taking bullshit. So here's how i compute:
- Is there a full proto squad on the other side? y-leave. n-continue
- Am I myself on the side with the proto squad? y-leave n-continue
- Are there less than 5 protos in the same squad in the other side? y-kill them all n-play with wacky fits.
No longer a shield of Cat Merc.
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Shion Typhon
Intara Direct Action
Caldari State
371
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Posted - 2014.01.20 07:43:00 -
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Aikuchi Tomaru wrote: second it's still a sandbox game.
No. It. Is. Not.
This is a match-based lobby shooter with hazy, badly designed persistent elements that reward one thing only, the date you created your account.
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Teilka Darkmist
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Posted - 2014.01.20 07:51:00 -
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Tallen Ellecon wrote:
First impressions are important and this game makes a terrible one.
Much as I love CCP and their products, this is a problem they constantly have. The new player experience in eve, whilst much better than how I hear it was at launch or even 7 years ago when I started, is still pretty terrible 10 years on. It's something they know about and are anxious to fix, they just haven't worked out how yet in a way that isn't 'put new players in their own shard for a certain length of time' which is counter to the philosophy of a single server. It's even harder I would imagine in a game where the professions don't include industry or trading in which you can make it so you're at limited risk, but not none at all.
'You can only post every 5 minutes because your account is less than 2 days old' - This gets old VERY quickly.
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G Torq
ALTA B2O
379
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Posted - 2014.01.20 07:52:00 -
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Tallen Ellecon wrote:Proto in pubs. I'm running with a new guy and he seems really interested in the game. It's not until we start running against the same try hards wearing full proto and he just can't have any fun. even running with a squad. He was shooting a guy hacking in the back of a head with an AR, the guy took 2 more seconds to hack and insta killed him with his Duvolle. No tactics, no skill, no aiming, just gear, SP and the ability to use it.
This isn't for the try hards, no one should tell you what to do, even if you are contributing to the worst part of the new player experience.
This is for CCP, I'm a vet and I've had it with this ****. I can't compete against these guys unless I wear proto too and then I just become part of the problem. Extend the academy, fix matchmaking, add PVE, just do something because this game still has the potential to be great it's just rotting in it's own filth ATM, keeping new players out.
First impressions are important and this game makes a terrible one.
I know I'm sounding like a broken record, but part of the solution to this is scarcity!
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Teilka Darkmist
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Posted - 2014.01.20 08:00:00 -
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G Torq wrote:Tallen Ellecon wrote:Proto in pubs. I'm running with a new guy and he seems really interested in the game. It's not until we start running against the same try hards wearing full proto and he just can't have any fun. even running with a squad. He was shooting a guy hacking in the back of a head with an AR, the guy took 2 more seconds to hack and insta killed him with his Duvolle. No tactics, no skill, no aiming, just gear, SP and the ability to use it.
This isn't for the try hards, no one should tell you what to do, even if you are contributing to the worst part of the new player experience.
This is for CCP, I'm a vet and I've had it with this ****. I can't compete against these guys unless I wear proto too and then I just become part of the problem. Extend the academy, fix matchmaking, add PVE, just do something because this game still has the potential to be great it's just rotting in it's own filth ATM, keeping new players out.
First impressions are important and this game makes a terrible one.
I know I'm sounding like a broken record, but part of the solution to this is scarcity!
Almost, but not quite. The solution to protostomping is making the market be driven by the players, like in eve. When something becomes popular in eve, the prices get driven up by the people selling them. But in dust currently, the prices are constant. Find a way to make players responsible for the supply and pricing of items (this could be another great way to integrate dust and eve more closely) and this problem will get resolved. The downside to this is having a pretty complex market to buy from
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Toyboi
The Rainbow Effect
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Posted - 2014.01.20 08:37:00 -
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8213 wrote:Have you ever talked to the CEOs of the protostomp squads? I have.
They don't care they are ruining the game. they go into pub(mainly ambush) for the strict purpose of finding lambs to slaughter. You don't see these guys in FW(and you won't especially after 1.7), DOM, or Skirmish. They flock to where to noobs are just to stroke their ego.
You talk to the CEOs about it and they'll tell you "they can find another game to play" or "I want them to quit." They are ruining the game on PURPOSE.
PC lag has nothing to do with it. They stack in pubs to manipulate the system. And back out when they face real/equal competition.
Go ahead, talk to kujo about it. Ask Cubs why they used to do what they did.
my eyes start to bleed when i read bull crap like this!
i get hate mail when i play fw telling me to play for another side, i get hate mail when i play any gamemode and its all he same yadayadayada. so yes we dont like people who whine about ohhh nooooos he killed me in a protosuit just because im too cheap to bring one out myself HTFU.
Yes the npe is crap you shouldent be let out in the general population before you have 7-8 mil sp and you should be able to grind that whitout cap.. just my 50 cents
back to you 8213 im sorry but you pull words out of your arse if you are so angry quit the game or stop polluting the forums with your nonsens!
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